Quick Hits: Infielders, Young Jr., Scott, Red Sox

On this day in 2006, the Cubs signed Alfonso Soriano to an eight-year, $136MM deal.  In five seasons with Chicago, Soriano has a slash line of .266/.320/.498 and has averaged 129 games per year.  Here are some links for Sunday afternoon..

  • Mark Townsend of Yahoo! Sports is surprised at what teams are paying for sure-handed middle infielders. Specifically, he says the Twins and Dodgers paid role players like final pieces to the puzzle and are counting on them for too much (referring to Jamey Carroll and Mark Ellis, respectively).
  • Eric Young Jr. decided to play in Venezuela this offseason in order to gain more experience playing second base, writes Rafael Rojas Cremonesi for the Denver Post. Young played second base just seven times for the Rockies last season, and is 6-for-20 with three steals in his first six games.
  • Luke Scott would be open to negotiating a new deal with the Orioles if he's non-tendered, writes Roch Kubatko of MASNsports.com.  Scott is projected to earn $6MM in arbitration.
  • Bobby Valentine expects to meet with Red Sox GM Ben Cherington on Monday and could emerge as the favorite for the job if his meeting goes well, a source tells Jeff Passan of Yahoo (via Twitter).
  • Astros owner Jim Crane is prepared to make a swift decision on the futures of president Tal Smith and GM Ed Wade, writes Steve Campbell of the Houston Chronicle.
  • There are team executives who are furious with aspects of the new labor agreement, writes ESPN.com's Buster Olney.  Some believe that MLB's new draft structure hurts the league's small-market and mid-market clubs.  One GM told Olney that the changes don't solve any problems and actually make some worse.

99 Responses to Quick Hits: Infielders, Young Jr., Scott, Red Sox Leave a Reply

  1. Redsoxn8tion 4 years ago

    Valentine is a much better choice than Sveum would have been. Hope they hire Bobby

    • start_wearing_purple 4 years ago

      I agree Valentine would be better than Sveum but I’m not convinced he’s the best overall. I still think Alomar is the best manager for the Sox… however I’m willing to give Valentine or whoever the Sox hire a chance.

      • Minorityfanbasewannabe 4 years ago

        The thing i don’t get is why  the media is freaking out over losing Sveum when they themselves were complaining about him just a couple days before.

        • Pete 4 years ago

          You should never read Red Sox media, none of it ever makes sense. They “reward” long time tenured/much loved/genuinely nice players by turning on them and making the fans hate them, once -they- feel like they have given the team all they have got. Biggest bunch of nonsense media market in baseball.

      • iamsynecdoche 4 years ago

        What happened to Dave Martinez? He seemed a favourite early on but then never even got an interview. 

        • BoSoxSam 4 years ago

          Reporters talked him up like crazy, but as far as I could tell, Boston never actually showed any interest.

    • rockfordone 4 years ago

      Agree – saw Sveum’s press conference Friday – looked bored…….. Just a Theo and Jed  “yes man”. Very bad team – Note: God decline their offer to stay at home

      • JacksTigers 4 years ago

        Don’t read too much into press conferences. They don’t really tell you anything about the manager.

    • Why would you want a whacko like Valentine who’s never won anything? To put on a show to attract attention? I agree that Alomar is probably the best at this point although Lovullo may know some of the young players having been in Pawtucket.

      • vtadave 4 years ago

        Valentine took the Mets to the World Series, and I’m pretty sure Alomar/Lovullo haven’t.

        • MaineSox 4 years ago

          *Valentine took the Mets to last place, and a falling apart that dwarfs anything the Red Sox had last year.

    • I’m down for Valentine. I met him when I went to a Chiba Lotte Marines game in Japan… got to chat with him in his office and then talk to some of the players. He seems like a really easy going guy but would walk in with the respect needed to take care of business and get the team back on track. Plus, for what it’s worth, his players seemed to really like playing for him ( I only could talk to the two english speaking players I saw on the field before the game.)

  2. Madman2TX 4 years ago

    Smith and Wade have to go. The Astros need a new GM who can accept the challenge of rebuilding the organization the right way unimpeded. Smith and Wade were Uncle Drayton’s yes men and have that taint over them. No fan seriously trusts them with the Astros future.

    • rockfordone 4 years ago

      Agreed – Jim should just call (or go cybor send email) today and tell both to not show up Monday. Checks are in the mail -they probably both have direct deposit.

    • Vmmercan 4 years ago

      “Taint may not have been the best choice of wording when describing what two men have over them”…

  3. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    if you told me in august (or even in september) that after the season the red sox would fire terry francona and hire bobby valentine i would have punched you in the face for being ridiculous

    starting to look like i’m going to be punching myself in the face here shortly as we slowly but surely become the mets

    • johnsilver 4 years ago

      LOL. To quote Donald Sutherland from the move “kelly’s Heroes”.. “Have a little faith baby..Have a little faith”

      • crashcameron 4 years ago

        means nothing to this, I know, but I gotta give a shoutout to Donald Sutherland, the all-time Montreal Expos fan

    • stl_cards16 4 years ago

      “as we slowly but surely become the mets”

      I don’t think you are giving near enough credit to Mets fans for just how much they’ve been through.

      • AlKelz 4 years ago

        As an Oriole fan things are so bad that we envy Mets fans. Even the Cubs have a brighter future than us. As long as A$$elos owns the team. Our only hope is if the Commisioner steps in to order new ownership via the best intrests of baseball clause.

        When your only hope is Bud Selig doing something right , then you know you’re screwed 😉

    • icedrake523 4 years ago

      “as we slowly but surely become the mets”

      As a Met fan, I just have to roll my eyes at this.

    • start_wearing_purple 4 years ago

      Normally I like you. But this lack of faith is disturbing.

      • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

        on the one hand, that was a joke about the mets-valentine connection and i’m pretty surprised people are taking it seriously. i’m hardly an alarmist

        on the other hand, i definitely reject any argument for faith here. faith is what i’d have in a good process. it’s not even clear what the process is right now with lucchino at the helm in the wake of epstein’s departure, let alone that it’s a good one

        having said that, i’m not thinking doomsday. i’m just thinking “ugh, bobby valentine”

        • RedSx799 4 years ago

          I find your lack of faith disturbing. Bobby Valentine may be a hotheaded dink, and sure, he lost control of the Met’s clubhouse (pot was their chicken and beer) but Bobby Valentine is a…no, I can’t even defend him…

          • MetsMagic 4 years ago

            He never lost control of the clubhouse. He was fired because GM Steve Phillips didn’t want someone who would talk or have any sort of opinion on anything. He just wanted to have someone who would shut up and let Al Leiter and John Franco play armchair GM.

        • East Coast Bias 4 years ago

          “i’m not thinking doomsday.”

          Just Valentine’s Day? 

    • MetsMagic 4 years ago

      You think this is bad? Just wait until you have to deal with Art Howe. 

      • NickinIthaca 4 years ago

        But he was so good in that Brad Pitt movie…

    • Rabbitov 4 years ago

      Never thought I’d see you hit the panic button.  This is turning into like an Invasion of the Body Snatchers movie.  

      • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

        i doubt you ever will. you’ve definitely seen me make fun of my own team (along with every other), though. and that’s probably going to increase ten fold if valentine comes on board

  4. $7562574 4 years ago

    whenever budt selling has an idea, it makes baseball worse.

  5. johnsilver 4 years ago

    Here is what having hard time understanding the orioles..

    They already have the perfect DH in Luke Scott, yet are possibly looking at adding ortiz, who would cost more and Scott can at least play a below average corner OF and 1B in an emergency, plus even at 6m be cheaper?

    Streaky hitter or not.. He should be healthy this season..Them getting ortiz makes no sense.

    • Them getting ortiz makes no sense.<<<< What you say here makes sense.

      They already have the perfect DH in Luke Scott. <<< Not true and makes no sense.

      Regardless of what you heard from most O's fans and their media. Vlad did a pretty good job last year as our primary DH. Was he worth the 8 Million, he signed for is a topic for another day. As far as I am concerned, Vlad did his job. Luke was hurt for most of last season. Luke is not only a streaky hitter, he has one swing and he swings like he is chopping wood, which not surprising because he works out by chopping wood. Also, his batting average with RISP was not very good nor are his career numbers with RISP. While I wish him well in his future endeavors, I would love to sign Aoki from Japan with the money they save. Or sign Cody Ross. I would take either. However, since Duquette said he's not spending money in free agency this year on marquee names, my hopes of a successful 2012 are dwindling as is my opinion of Duquette and the rest of the Oriole Bunch. 

      • OrangeCards 4 years ago

        Vlad put up replacement level numbers while making 8 million — I’d have a hard time saying he “did a pretty good job last year as our primary DH.”

        Also, if you’ve ever chopped wood, you’ll know it’s an overhead, downward motion and does not resemble the swinging of a bat. You’re doing it wrong.

        • I guess you have never chopped down a tree.

          • OrangeCards 4 years ago

            Chopping wood, and the actual cutting down of a tree are two entirely different motions.

            I highly doubt Luke Scott clears a small forest with an axe as a morning workout. In fact, I follow the Orioles closely, and know that he has said before that he chops wood.

          • OIC a semantics game. How exciting!

          • OrangeCards 4 years ago

            He chops wood during the off season. This is an overhead,  downward swinging motion that does not remotely resemble swinging a baseball bat. Enough said.

            You’re trying to berate his skills because he “swings like he is chopping wood” and this couldn’t be more incorrect. That’s all.

            If you want to defend your comments regarding Vlad and the “pretty good job” he did last year, feel free …

      • johnsilver 4 years ago

        Since you seem to think a last place team should spend tons of money for a DH…

        Exactly what is the reasoning behind giving ortiz the 2/20m area it is going to cost to finish in last place next season and that is only if Ortiz is willing to play for a last place team?

        Sure, Vlad was ok last year, he lost his power at a place inwhich most would have thought he would have put up higher numbers, but over all he had a decent season.

        Will The Duke gamble that the 36 (?) YO DH will not fall off of a cliff next year? Vlad will cost more than Scott and at least Scott can play a few positions in an emergency.

        As for “makes no sense” retaining Vlad would define that and especially at/near his 2011 salary of 8m.

  6. Alldaybaseball 4 years ago

    I kind of like Luke Scott to the Braves if he can stay healthy. This guy has monster power.

    • Rabbitov 4 years ago

      I think you greatly over-exaggerate his “monster power,” notably because he is coming back from a shoulder injury that really sapped whatever power he was showing.  

      With that said, people think Scott has “attitude problems” because of his political views.  From all accounts I’ve read this isn’t true and he’s a good clubhouse guy and if the O’s don’t resign him, a team could really get a good supplemental piece. 

      • johnsilver 4 years ago

        Exactly. he is a Swisher type, without the glove.

        Scott has shown pretty good power with the orioles, but they always seem (HR) to come in bunches and as a Sox fan..Seeing the long time Sox killer out of the AL would be a definite plus.

        • Rabbitov 4 years ago

          He may be a Swisher-type but Swisher >>>>> Scott in hitting as well. 

  7. WrigleyTerror37 4 years ago

    Just 3 more years!!! then we can say Bye Bye Alfonso!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  8. Triple Hawpes Brewed 4 years ago

    Cubs…the biggest joke in professional sports

    • Aren’t we past calling them a joke? They’re pretty much irrelevant now. All kidding aside, I think Epstein will do a great job with the Cubs.

    • GoAwayNow 4 years ago

      You forgot about the NBA. And MLS. And Curling. Oh and the Colts.

  9. Encarnacion's Parrot 4 years ago

    Bobby Valentine expects to meet with Red Sox GM Ben Cherington on Monday and could emerge as the favorite for the job if his meeting goes well, a source tells Jeff Passan of Yahoo

    Gee, Jeff, who would have thought that? Same goes for the other 5,999,999,999 people on this planet who go for their interviews, and I didn’t need a source to tell me that one.

  10. joeblowto 4 years ago

    The rest of the AL would like to send Boston early thanksgiving greetings and best wishes. We wish you best of luck next year with Bobby Valentine as your manager. He will be a formidable foe.

    Enjoy your turkey.

  11. vonhayesdays 4 years ago

    Like starting the 2008 world series game number 5 in the pouring rain, with the phillies  best and most reliable pitcher on the mound , and now not receiving a first round pick for madson and having to give one up for paps I think BUD DBAG SELIG just tried to screw the phillies  again

    • patschamps 4 years ago

      I think that bud is just trying to screwall the teams but his favorite of evilempires in Boston and New York Yankees.  Just look at what this new has done to the small market clubs.  Screwed them royally.  Why not make the al east a division of nny and bos and only one goes to the playoff.  Bud suxs, can’t wait for him to retire.  Hopefully he goes further with it and makes two fifteen league and the sweet 16 from each league makes the playoffs.  Oh well I guess they will have to expand two teams for sweet sixteen.  Up the roster to 28 and install a salarycap.  More players will be in majors which should make mlb player assoc happy. 

      • Salary Caps are terrible for sports. If a team wants to spend, they should. If anything there should be a salary floor. If you don’t meet the floor, you can’t participate in revenue sharing. It’s funny how everyone bashes big spending teams, but always seem to forget it’s those teams who literally pay for other team’s players.

  12. Thomas Wilson 4 years ago

    I know  he is 26 but if EY2 can play a below average defense his career minors line is .297/.388/.423

  13. Sad day in Cubs history, re: Alfonso Soriano

    • Backup_Slider 4 years ago

      I’m no Cubs’ fan, but I even hear FDR saying “a date which will live in infamy” after I read “On this day in 2006, the Cubs signed Alfonso Soriano to an eight-year, $136MM deal.”.

  14. patschamps 4 years ago

    It’s pretty sad such a great franchise under the Yawkey family.  Now none of the good managers out there want nothing to do with the pressue cooker of Boston.  Good luck with  Bobby Valentine since they”ll probabley be out of it by Valentines Day.  Now it’s all about the money$

  15. MNTwins12 4 years ago

    “he says the Twins and Dodgers paid role players like final pieces to the puzzle and are counting on them for too much (referring to Jamey Carroll and Mark Ellis, respectively).”
    -Mark Townsend, reported by Zach Links

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but how can you refer to any signing at this time as being “final pieces to the puzzle” when the offseason has basically just begun? If you want an example of an overpaid player look at soon-to-be-signed C.J. Wilson as an example.

    • BlueSkyLA 4 years ago

      In fairness, he said like final pieces. But I think he answered his own question in his first line: “It’s tough to find good middle infield help these days.” There’s the market for you.

      Anyway it’s kind of amusing to see a sportswriter declare that all of these teams “overpaid” for all of these players, as if all of them could really have been signed for less. Interesting logic.

      • If you want a player, you want a player. If you overpay so be it, as long as you get what you want. Unlike, the Orioles they just simply overpay (Kevin Gregg) or give a MLB contact to jokers ( Antonelli, Duchsherer, or Cesar Izturius)

        • BlueSkyLA 4 years ago

          I never bought the “overpaid” theory. It’s always advanced by people (fans, sportswriters) who don’t sign players in the actual player market, so they are just second-guessing without the benefit of real knowledge. When you see how much a player gets, that’s how much they are worth in the market. Just like anything else.

      • MNTwins12 4 years ago

        When I read the article I noticed the very same thing you are pointing out to me. It just struck me as odd that he would go as far to say that they are even considered final pieces at all, considering the offseason has just begun and there is so much more to be decided. For all we know Jamey Carroll WILL BE THE BACKUP if the Twins see something in Tsuyoshi Nishioka during spring training. My guess is though that the chance of that happening is slim to none.  

  16. MNTwins12 4 years ago

    Nobody is “overpaid”, most of the players on the market are simply “over valued”.

    • BlueSkyLA 4 years ago

      That’s one way of looking at it. If we weren’t so damned interested in baseball and if more people were good at playing the game, then the players would not be valued so highly. Whenever I hear myself complaining about all the money in the game I remind myself that if it wasn’t for fans like me, ballplayers would be paid maybe as much as librarians or cops.

  17. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    you’re sure i’m srs, but you shouldn’t be

    also if you refer to red sox fans as “red sox nation”, you are definitely doing it wrong

  18. RedSx799 4 years ago

    we can hear you, man. no need to yell at us.

  19. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    they’ve been eating it since day one

  20. Rabbitov 4 years ago

    If you are sick of comments like the ones you get to all your posts why not just give up the caps, it doesn’t really say anything about yourself or make you different in any way except making what you say hard to read.  

  21. JacksTigers 4 years ago

    I wouldn’t go as far as the Mets, but something does need to change. They really need a starter.

  22. fitz 4 years ago

    Red Sox Nation is nothing more than a marketing gimmick for the bandwagon fans across the country. A few more seasons like last year and it will be back to the pre ’04 days with only the true fans remaining. Nothing more annoying than fans who root for teams 3,000 miles away because their local teams perform poorly.

  23. InLeylandWeTrust 4 years ago

    A career .230 ISO is pretty darn good. He just hasn’t been healthy enough to hit 30 in a season.

  24. gradylittle 4 years ago

    If you mean hard to read in terms of clarity, my eyes actually enjoy the size of the caps, but if you mean hard to read as in wanting to continuously face palm yourself until you scroll down and no longer see his comment — I agree.

  25. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    only because of the division they’re in. at worst, lester-beckett-buchholz in front of that offense is a passable top 3 anywhere else

    but they are in that division, so i you are right. they’re hardly the only team that needs a starter, though. their demise has been both good for jokes and greatly exaggerated

  26. InLeylandWeTrust 4 years ago

    “My only gripe is he said the guy has big time power when he is pretty average if you ask me.”

    A career .230 ISO means he has some pretty big power. For reference, Miguel Cabrera’s career ISO is .239

  27. I have never seen him murder Boston and I have watched a majority of the Orioles games these past three years. People wonder why I am they way I am and watching the Orioles for the past three years has been painful and sad with some exceptions.
    As for Luke Scott being Nick Swisher without the glove, not a chance. I have seen Swisher kill the Orioles several times. Luke Scott has killed Oriole rallies not opposing teams.

  28. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    true. but they’ll just come back when the sox win again, so i think i’d have to pass on having a few more seasons like last year

    now, if you upped the ante and we had a shot at losing the boston media with all those fans…there’s a chance that could be worth it

  29. Pete 4 years ago

    They stole the idea from Raider Nation too, no one ever brings that up.

  30. johnsilver 4 years ago

    ” Nothing more annoying than fans who root for teams 3,000 miles away because their local teams perform poorly.”

    The only good thing about them when they were not that good, but also let me put this out there as well please..

    Boston had pitiful support until the Impossible dream team of ’67, then they has superb support for a few seasons.. Then starting around ’73, until 81 or so they had superb support again (while they were winning of course) and it dropped like a rock after that and picked up again after that when they got good until like 91?

    Short story? Like you posted.. All those front runner fans you mentioned that make you wanna’ puke and many are the ones (IMO) who swayed what went on with the franchise before Henry bought the team transaction wise. That is..Making horrible deals, like 35YO Mike Easler for a known nice SP John Tudor on the rise.

    I am happy this current ownership ignores these people, maybe if they do have a year or 2 lean they will disappear for good..Go to the NYY..They deserve ’em anyway.. LOL

  31. As far as I am concerned let the Tigers have Luke Scott. Miguel Cabrera and Luke Scott in the same sentence with regards to power hahahaha!

    Let me tell you about what I think about statistics.

    There are lies, damned lies and then statistics.

  32. Fifty_Five 4 years ago

    Don’t understand. How can you tell if he has power then? Scott’s got some pretty big guns if you ask me. Literally and figuritively

  33. OrangeCards 4 years ago

    You do not trust what you do not understand — I get it.

  34. OrangeCards 4 years ago

    I guess you missed 2010 when Luke was named Most Valuable Oriole after posting a .903 OPS …

  35. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    this is why you need statistics. your casual observations are not reliable

    n.swisher has a .275/.384/.586 line against baltimore
    luke scott has a .295/.398/.538 line against boston

  36. OrangeCards 4 years ago

    I have seen Luke Scott kill the Tigers a few times but don’t remember Miguel Cabrera doing so as frequently.

    Therefore, Scott > Cabrera, right?

  37. johnsilver 4 years ago

    Am a Sox fan and always am hoping he is in the middle of one of his ice cold streaks, because otherwise this guy absolutely murders the Sox.. he is a one man wrecking crew, or was before 2011 when he was hurt.

    I also watch most of the Sox (and Fish) games and remember his especially HR this guy would hit, usually in crunch time against them.. One game in particular I *think* in 2010 when the O’s came back from a 6-7 run deficit in the 8th inning and a Scott blast got it rolling.

  38. OrangeCards 4 years ago

    Let’s throw in Vlad’s 2011 slash line since according to Lefty he “did a pretty good job as the primary DH.”


    – Hmmm, one of these is not like the rest.

  39. My casual observations hahahahaha!

    All I can tell you and this is if my memory serves me correctly, I am old… so who knows. Anyway, I am quite certain Swisher has several walk off home runs against the O’s. To the best of my knowledge, Scott doesn’t have any against the Yankees, much less anyone against the rest of the division. That might be going to far though, I am not sure about that. However, I am almost certain he doesn’t have any against the Yankees and that’s what I am basing my opinion/comments about Luke Scott.

    If it weren’t NFL Sunday, I would look up those stats right away, give me some time later tonight. I might actually research on what I said about Walk Off or even game winning Home Runs.

  40. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    it’s not that you in particular have unreliable observations; we all do. our memories in general are not well equipped for the task. it’s always better to look at the data

    scott has done poorly against the yankees, but so did swisher (he was worse, in fact). you said swisher had killed the orioles but you’d never seen scott murder the red sox, but it turns out well, they’ve both done about the same

    swisher has been worse against the sox (.723 to .936)
    swisher has been better against the rays (.952 to .746)
    they’ve been about the same against the jays (.743 to .737)

    swisher has done almost exactly as well in high leverage situations as in medium and low leverage situations (103 tOPS). in late & close situations, he’s done a tick better (107 tOPS)

    scott has done worse in higher leverage situations than in medium and low leverage situations (85 tOPS). in late & close situations, he’s done even worse (76 tOPS)

    other than that, they are nearly identical producers with the bat, as their wRC+ figures over the last 4 seasons indicate (118 to 115)

  41. OrangeCards 4 years ago

    Why use stats and analysis when you can use personal memory and biased opinions?


  42. I THINK you may be right, but I’m old so I may be wrong.

  43. Now I am biased, that is the pot calling the kettle black.
    You like Scott and I would rather see him replaced with Aoki or Cody Ross.
    Or the Orioles could have used the money they paid Scott for Doumit and Ramon Santiago. Now they can’t sign Doumit and as for Santiago doesn’t look like the O’s will be looking at him now that they signed Antonelli to a MLB contract.
    Why they signed Antonelli to a MLB contract is beyond me. The Nationals had all kinds of problems with their infield last year either because of injury or inconsistency and they didn’t even call him up once. Now as to why they didn’t I don’t know and as to why the Orioles want to do this I don’t know either.

    Now back to Vlad if I remember correctly I remember MASN saying he had 14 go ahead hits in 2011. I think that was most on the team. Also, the Vlad lead off the inning several times that was not good. In his younger days he had speed, but when your 36 and your legs are going leading off the inning wasn’t good. You have your opinion and I have mine.

  44. OrangeCards 4 years ago

    You’re biased because you’re basing your entire opinion on what you saw with your eyes and what you remember–all while ignoring the statistics that go against your beliefs. I’m just saying Scott is not that bad, and Vlad wasn’t that great last year … and I’ve used stats to back up my opinion.

    Surely you aren’t suggesting (in hindsight, no less) that the Orioles should have  cut Scott after his 2010 MV Oriole campaign in favor of spending that money Doumit or Santiago? You can’t be serious?

    And no, citing your memory of a spin statistic put out by MASN tells me nothing of  Vlad’s overall worth last year.

  45. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    if you wouldn’t count his regular hits without counting the times he failed to get one (batting average), why would you note the clutch hits without noting the times he failed to get them? everyone is bound to get clutch hits sometimes; it’s the rate at which they occur that matters

    you ragged on scott a bit for his failure to come through in the clutch, but guerrero was even worse in high leverage situations last year (73 tOPS)

    to give you an idea of how little this stat actually matters though, the “clutchiest” player on the 2011 orioles was felix pie. adam jones was tied for worst. should any personnel decisions be made on this basis? nah. ‘clutch’ is mostly random chance. it’s overall production we’re concerned with

  46. johnsilver 4 years ago

    Ross was one of my favorites from his Fish days, but think he might be going downhill fast and better suited as a 4th OF now after those couple seasons with the SFG.

    Granted, he is a fiery guy who would be terrific in the clubhouse and brings intensity to the game, but he was a poor CF even when he was with the Fish, best suited as a corner OF and not sure he will be able to hit for the power he had at Land Shark stadium anymore at memorial stadium now.

    I do see why you might think he would be a good asset as a starter, but really think he is best suited as a top 4th OF now days.

    His best days are behind him unfortunately and Yes.. I really liked him with the marlins..Was one of my fav’s.

  47. I think it was in 2009, if its the same game I thinking. Also, the funny or sad thing was after that mirculous comeback they jumped out to a big lead in the next game, but then lost it late in the game.

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