C.J. Wilson Rumors: Wednesday

The latest on free agent lefty C.J. Wilson

  • Wilson has arrived at the Winter Meetings and will meet with the Marlins tonight, tweets Clark Spencer of the Miami Herald. Miami's offer appeals to Wilson because of the long-term commitment and because he'd have a chance to hit, tweets T.R. Sullivan. I can't imagine the opportunity to get at-bats being a deciding factor, but it could at least be a notch in the 'pros' column.
  • Angels sources have suggested they won't increase their offer to six years, which could give the Marlins the edge, tweets Jon Heyman.
  • The Marlins are the "best bet" for Wilson, with the Angels a close runner-up, Rosenthal hears.
  • Rangers GM Jon Daniels told reporters, including T.R. Sullivan, that he's resigned to the possibility that Wilson will sign elsewhere.
  • The Marlins' offer to Wilson is still on the table, tweets Mike DiGiovanna of the Los Angeles Times.
  • If the Angels sign Wilson, it would likely be for five years, rather than six, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. Jeff Wilson of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram hears that the Rangers haven't offered Wilson five years (Twitter link).
  • Now that the Marlins have reached an agreement with Buehrle, they're likely out on Wilson, according to a number of reporters, including T.R. Sullivan. This could mean Wilson's decision will come down to the Angels vs. the Rangers. However, Jon Heyman of MLB Network hears the Marlins may still be trying for Wilson (Twitter link).
  • Wilson tells MLB.com's T.R. Sullivan he's undecided and "torn in different directions."
  • The Marlins have big offers out to Wilson and Buehrle, tweets Buster Olney, and they'll sign whoever says yes first.
  • If the Angels don't match the Marlins' six-year offer, Wilson will likely sign with Miami, tweets Jon Paul Morosi.  The Nationals are out on Wilson, notes Morosi.
  • Wilson has a six-year offer from the Marlins, reports Tom Verducci of MLB Network.  However, Danny Knobler says the Angels are currently the clear favorite and Wilson's decision is not expected before late tonight.
  • The Marlins are well down the road with negotiations for Wilson and Mark Buehrle, reports ESPN's Jayson Stark.  They're saying that if they sign one of the starters, that will end their Albert Pujols pursuit.
  • The Rangers are not optimistic about re-signing Wilson, reports MLB.com's T.R. Sullivan.  Team officials expect him to sign with the Angels or Marlins.
  • The Angels are ramping up efforts to sign Wilson with hopes of getting a deal done today, reports MLB.com's Joe Frisaro.

Luke Adams contributed to this post.


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160 Comments on "C.J. Wilson Rumors: Wednesday"


3 years 8 months ago

Good they can have him…

chico65
3 years 8 months ago

You know it’s got to really cheese all the other owners to have Loria sitting there, pocketing millions more in revenue sharing than he was spending on payroll year after year, and then one offseason suddenly start spending like a drunken George Steinbrenner and ripping all of the shiny baubles out of their hands. 

3 years 8 months ago

This is the new rebuilding strategy.  Steal money from other owners for years and then abuse the hell out of it.  Sounds good to me, and it’s working!

strikethree
3 years 8 months ago

Not against the rules so…

I give them a lot of credit for this plan. (I think it’s clear that they waited for the perfect off-season) All these years… always been criticized for not spending money and then… BAM, sign all the FA’s.

Pretty clever.

3 years 8 months ago

Too bad. There are cheaper and more reliable players out there. I mean, I’d rather have Buehrle or even Kuroda, they’ll require less years and less money per.

Cubbie Karyn
3 years 8 months ago

I’d like to see the Cubs get in on some CJ action…  We desperately need a lefty pitcher!!!!

dc21892
3 years 8 months ago

He won’t help them while they’re rebuilding. All he’ll be doing is eating up payroll.

UltimateYankeeFan
3 years 8 months ago

Just an opinion but if the Angels are willing to go 5yrs/$90MM it’s probably a done deal.

3 years 8 months ago

And DiPoto will earn some boos from the Fans. Heck, Weaver will earn less money than that!

3 years 8 months ago

Weaver “took less money” to stay home.

3 years 8 months ago

CJ reportedly would take “less money” to come back home. It’s not even close, Weaver vs Wilson. Wilson doesn’t deserve 17M anually.

bjsguess
3 years 8 months ago

Let’s see. 

Wilson has been worth 10.5 WAR over the past 2 years. At $5m/win that puts his value at roughly $25m/season. Signing him for $17m seems reasonable … although I would like to see that number drop to $15m or lower if we are talking about 5 to 6 years.

Madman2TX
3 years 8 months ago

The Rangers made their good faith lowball offer…they’ll breathe a sigh of relief if they get away without giving anymore money to Wilson. Just take the draft picks and let the Angels waste their money.

BK
3 years 8 months ago

Translation From Dumb Ranger Fan:  “Texas will be thrilled to see their division rivals pay statistical market rate for their best pitcher over their best pitcher over the last 2 seasons who has relatively low mileage on his actual arm. Also I have no idea what he is going to cost another team but I am excited to have an opinion.”

John McFadin
3 years 8 months ago

Yea, I live and breathe the Rangers, and you are one of those dumb fans.  Judging not only from this post, but from everyone you make.  You just said earlier that Michael Young can play SS!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHA.

3 years 8 months ago

CJ is not a ace but this swing the shift in the AL west to the angels.  Texas now needs to come up and sign a starter.  I bet Buerle will have his offer by Texas upped. 

oz10
3 years 8 months ago

No we don’t. Our pitchers are great because of our infield defense, arguably the best left side of an infield in baseball. CJ will give up an extra run per game in Anaheim based solely on the fact that he will not have a run saving play every game and he is a nibble type pitcher that walks a bunch. And the argument that Anaheim is a pitcher’s park will bear no weight because he is a groundball pitcher. But please pay him the 17mm per season or so and continue to leave yourself no room to improve your offense.

Thurman8er
3 years 8 months ago

Beltre and Andrus are the best left side in baseball.  But not every ball goes to the left side.  I’m very happy with Aybar and Kendrick, and watching Bourjos patrol center is a beautiful thing.  The defense behind Wilson won’t be significantly worse in Anaheim.

3 years 8 months ago

Kinsler is one of the best 2B in the game…we’re fine, thank you.

Ben-Dessa Anderton
3 years 8 months ago

Kinsler is a pretty superb 2b and much better then Kendrick. I am not sure how one could argue otherwise.

3 years 8 months ago

Angels had one of the best defenses in all of baseball.  Offensively, yes they were not very good; but, you can’t make the argument that Wilson will be worse off with an Angel defense.  If anything he’ll probably have an even better ERA pitching in the Angel’s pitcher friendly stadium. 

Thurman8er
3 years 8 months ago

I don’t get the Buehrle/Kuroda argument.  C.J. is clearly a better pitcher than either of them.  Is it the post-season failure that has people against him?  I’d love to see a signing today, especially if they hold on to Santana. 

vtadave
3 years 8 months ago

I think it’s more the fact that Kuroda could be had for 1-2 years and Buehrle for 3 while it apparently will take 6 for Wilson.

3 years 8 months ago

It’s all about reliabilty. Wilson was a RP and become a SP just 2 years ago. Plus, he walks too many batters for my liking.

3 years 8 months ago

Kuroda is as good but is more of a 2 year option because of age.  Texas must go out and sign a starter because they don’t have enough starting to compete.  Nefti may be a good pitcher but can he go more than 6 innings?  I doubt it.

John McFadin
3 years 8 months ago

Then you must not know very much about Feliz.  There’s a reason he was considered one of the best prospects in baseball.  One bad year doesn’t change that…..

sloppybones
3 years 8 months ago

having good “stuff” is different than being able to go out and last 6-7 innings. we will see what happens in the spring. 

Rangersfan32
3 years 8 months ago

Being a top prospect has nothing to do with the fact that he’s been a reliever the past 3 seasons. He’s gonna have to get used to pitching for 5 innings in an outing instead of 1 now. Big difference.

3 years 8 months ago

Feliz is a good talent….but the jury is still out on him

Ben-Dessa Anderton
3 years 8 months ago

Feliz was always a SP up until his time in the big leagues. You could have said the same about Ogando and he was terrific. Now I do not expect Feliz to have the same fire all season long because he will be climbing into that role for the first time in his big league stint. Harrison, Ogando, Holland will all be better this season then last, Lewis is an anchor and who knows what Feliz may provide along with a healthy Feldman a few yrs removed from a 17 win season. Martin Perez is on the horizon and he is viewed as an elite talent.

3 years 8 months ago

lol we can’t compete? We’ll see about that starting April. CJ or no CJ we’re still better than the Angels.

3 years 8 months ago

Rangers will compete with their offense; but, without solid pitching good luck winning any championships

bjsguess
3 years 8 months ago

If the Angels get CJ here is what I would do:

— Trade Santana. He’s only under contract for 2012 (with an expensive $13m option in 2013). The return should be pretty significant.
— Turn around and sign Kurado. I’m willing to bet that he can post similar numbers as Santana and come at the same pricetag. 

That allows you to basically swap fungible pitchers and stock up with talent reaped from the Santana deal. 

I’m not a huge fan of the Angels getting Wilson if the pricetag is north of $15m or 5 years. However, it would make for one heck of a rotation.

kdub53
3 years 8 months ago

one heck of a rotation IF they dont trade santana…
i realize hes only under team control through the next year…i also realize that he could get us good compensation….but hes a great pitcher…(no hitter, followed by a shut out this last season)(17 game winner 2 seasons ago) and the four of them would be something awesome….hope they dont let him go quite yet, but thats why im not the new gm i guess..hah

3 years 8 months ago

agree’d….if the Angels trade Santana it nullifies Wilson’s value

3 years 8 months ago

The argument is the shorter commitment in years and the lesser commitment financially. 

Ben-Dessa Anderton
3 years 8 months ago

CJ is the most frustrating pitcher to watch. You will soon realize that when he gets to 0-2 and decides to get fancy and loses a batter.

mgsports
3 years 8 months ago

If marlins are at 6 on Cj Wilson what do Rangers and Angels do?

NYYANKEES
3 years 8 months ago

Let him go to Miami

3 years 8 months ago

Weaver, Haren, CJ, Ervin. like like like.

Zachary Mills
3 years 8 months ago

It would be sick, but I think they trade Santana in this scenario.

Maybe trade Santana & Vernon Wells to the Red Sox for Carl Crawford.

NYYANKEES
3 years 8 months ago

5 years $82.5 – $85 million would be my guess. But I believe they need to hurry if they want him badly because Marlins will overpay him big time once AP stays with STL

Brent Schuber
3 years 8 months ago

:)

3 years 8 months ago

I don’t see them going past 5 years $85m just out of respect to Weaver.  I have done a complete 180 on the Angels signing Wilson.  I am all for it now.  Like many others I would consider CJ our 4th starter and as our 4th starter he would be facing other teams’ 4th starters and maybe even 5 or so 5th starters next year.  Last year CJ faced other teams’ #1’s and still went 16-7 winning 8 at the very hitter friendly park in Arlington and 8 out on the road.  Let’s take half his starts next year from the launchpad in TX to the VERY pitcher friendly Angels stadium and  see if he can’t live up to a large contract.  I think that if we can get him for the 5 year $85million that might be a pretty good deal.  Remember what Cole Hamels did last year as the Phillies #3/#4 starter?

oz10
3 years 8 months ago

Pitcher friendly parks don’t translate to a groundball pitcher, infield defense does. By losing 3 potential gold glove infielders from behind him his era will go up in anaheim. He was bailed out by many a nice play this past year. I give a lot of his better ERA this year to having Beltre at 3rd.

Dustin Coleman
3 years 8 months ago

Angels have gold glove caliber defense in the outfield and short stop.

oz10
3 years 8 months ago

So one infeild position to three for the rangers. Thank you for 100% proving my point that he is losing a lot of defensive ability behind him in the infield. You realize his ERA dropped almost a half a run when we got Beltre. And again, he is a ground ball pitcher, your outfield doesn’t matter as much!!!!

oz10
3 years 8 months ago

and Andrus UZR is 7.0 compared to Aybar’s 1.2 so Elvis gets to quite a few more balls that would find their way to your gold glove caliber outfielders!

Thurman8er
3 years 8 months ago

But I still hear nothing about 2B.

oz10
3 years 8 months ago

yes you did. You responded to my post above where I specifically mention the left side. And I can’t find a stat for this so I am going by my eyeball test in saying that a majority of the groundballs, which he has a 49.3% grounball rate, went to the left side if the infield as most of the batters he faced were right handed. Trust me, you need a good third baseman with CJ on the mound.

3 years 8 months ago

Angels ranked 9th in MLB team defense last year….Rangers ranked 24th…..dumb argument

IMmessingWITHyou
3 years 8 months ago

andrus< aybar

3 years 8 months ago

Did Jose Reyes change his last name to Aybar?

IMmessingWITHyou
3 years 8 months ago

who won the gold glove oh ya not andrus…. & it is an opinion 

one word romo!!!

3 years 8 months ago

Yea, we all know how much Gold Gloves are worth…

IMmessingWITHyou
3 years 8 months ago

there purely about skill… which is worth a lot 

3 years 8 months ago

You wish Aybar was even close to Elvis

IMmessingWITHyou
3 years 8 months ago

you should check their stats….pretty similar! except aybar hit more home runs last year than evils has in his career! 

Greg
3 years 8 months ago

A UZR/150 of 0.9 is not even remotely close to a UZR/150 of 6.9

Aybar is not anywhere near Andrus’ level.

Greg
3 years 8 months ago

A UZR/150 of 0.9 is not even remotely close to a UZR/150 of 6.9

Aybar is not anywhere near Andrus’ level.

IMmessingWITHyou
3 years 8 months ago

besides third base angels have the edge

bjsguess
3 years 8 months ago

Now that’s funny.

It’s not a perfect science but it gets the point across:

1B – Trumbo +5.7
1B – Moreland (-3.5) in 100 games
2B – Kendrick +16.7
2B – Kinsler +15.0
SS – Aybar +1.2
SS – Andrus +7.0
3B – Callaspo +7.6
3B – Beltre +11.2
UT – Izturis +1.2
UT – Young (-6.8)

It looks pretty darn close. The Angels (according to UZR) were better at 1B, 2B (barely), and Utility. The Rangers were better at SS and 3B. 

More importantly, the Angels boast + fielding at every infield position. Their OF defense is ++ with Trout and Bourjos. Vernon Wells turned in a positive UZR in LF and Hunter was basically scratch defense in right. 

The Rangers have a solid defense – one of the best in baseball. However, there is not an appreciable drop off between what Wilson had playing behind him in Arlington vs what he would experience in Anaheim. 

For what it’s worth, Wilson’s FIP (which does not take into account good or bad defense) sat at 3.24. That demonstrates that Wilson would have been one heck of a pitcher with or without a solid defense behind him.

oz10
3 years 8 months ago

I reread this thread and didn’t say the left side of the infield but that is what I am refering to (put it in a thread up higher). I actually really like Kendrick. I was touting him as similar to Michael Young before it became a hot topic this year. I am also not big on UZR for a first baseman. I may be a little old school in this thought but you need a first baseman to not make mistakes and catch the throw from the other fielders. And as far as Wilson, he has a 49.3% groundball rate the last two years and from watching him alot, most of those groundballs go to the left side. trying to find a stat or someplace to back this up as it is just my memory I am going off of.

SunsetStripper
3 years 8 months ago

I’ll never understand the argument that #4 starters always match up with #4’s, and #5’s match up with #5’s, etc.  Two weeks into the season, rotations are all mixed up with off days and rain outs.

angels02
3 years 8 months ago

I think they would be better off going after Gio Gonzalez.

3 years 8 months ago

You’re joking right?

With what prospects?

Trout is untouchable, and Bourjos would only be bundled for a player far better than Gio Gonzalez.

Aside from those two players, the Angels have next to NOTHING in their farm system. Not to mention the price would be more for the Angels since they’re division rivals.

Tko11
Tko11
3 years 8 months ago

You dont think Gio is worth Bourjos + ??? Hes young, proven he can pitch, is under control until 2015 for super cheap! Best value on the market right now. 

3 years 8 months ago

No way they give him more money than Weaver. Just doesn’t happen. I bet 5yrs, option for a 6th. Under 85 for the 5 years, option pushes it over 90 million. 

ChrisV
3 years 8 months ago

The problem with signing CJ for the Angels is that they only have around 20 million to play with right now, so if they sign CJ then there is little left to put towards the bullpen or offense, and we all know the Angels could use more offense. If CJ does get signed, I see the Angels trading Santana for some offense, or just to get prospects and free up some money to sign an offensive guy. 

3 years 8 months ago

so they say….but with signing La’Troy Hawkins and offereing 210 million for pujols; they’d be willing to spend more if the think it works for them

3 years 8 months ago

We have no offense… I hope Jerry has something up his sleeve…

neoncactus
3 years 8 months ago

I liked the Rangers offer to him.  I’d love to see CJ stay.  He keeps himself in shape physically and mentally and always battles, although he walks too many batters.  And if they lose him, but can drive up the Angels years/dollars, that could play into the Rangers’ favor down the road as well if CJ pitches in Anaheim like Kazmir did.  

Adam Golden
3 years 8 months ago

Well since CJ played at Fountain Valley, it would be a welcome homecoming for him. Rumor has it that if they do sign Wilson, then they can package Santana (whom I love as a 4th starter) with Callaspo for a 3rd baseman. So if this happens, the trickle down effect should be fun to watch!

lefty177
3 years 8 months ago

this is the only time i’ll offer it because I love the man, but could you see the Sox trading Youk for them? 

Kingmojo101
3 years 8 months ago

ummmmmm, i always thought buerhle was overrated,atleast cjw has finesse and a mid 90’s fastball, buehrle has upper 80’s volecity.maybe its just me but i prefer a power arm

Ben-Dessa Anderton
3 years 8 months ago

CJ a power arm? Interesting take. I know he used to crank it in around 95-96 but in his closer/set up days. I thnk he plays around too much but it comparison to Buerhle, I would agree he is a power arm.

PattySajak
3 years 8 months ago

wilsons already agreed in principle with the angels… not sure why theres still any question of the matter. hes gonna sign by tomorrow

Will McLaren
3 years 8 months ago

Where did you hear he agreed in principle?

3 years 8 months ago

He heard it on Wheel of Fortune. Vanna White is an MLB insider.

crashcameron
3 years 8 months ago

they shoulda made Vanna GM instead of Reagin. would’ve saved them a lot of grief

miamiroc
3 years 8 months ago

Your name should be Jon Stewart cuz that’s fake news.

PattySajak
3 years 8 months ago

looks like it was fake news eh buddy.