Latest On Coco Crisp

TUESDAY, 3:49pm: Agent Steve Comte told Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports that Crisp wants to play for a winner and find a home for a few years. The Cubs and Cardinals are among the teams involved, Rosenthal tweets. MLBTR's Tim Dierkes first mentioned the Cubs' interest last week.

MONDAY, 9:12pm: Multiple teams remain interested and Crisp's agent declined to characterize discussions, according to Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch (on Twitter).

8:00pm: The Cardinals are discussing a deal with free agent outfielder Coco Crisp, according to Yahoo's Steve Henson (on Twitter). If the sides complete the deal, Crisp would play center field and bat atop the Cardinals' order with Jon Jay moving over to right field.

The switch-hitting Crisp led the American League with 49 stolen bases in 2011, hitting .264/.314/.379 with 27 doubles as Oakland's center fielder. The California native seems to prefer West Coast teams, but explained in September that he’s also looking to play on a winner and find a good "financial situation" for himself.

If Crisp signs in St. Louis, then Carlos Beltran will probably have one less suitor. The move would provide the Cardinals with depth as Allen Craig recovers from last month's knee surgery.


110 Responses to Latest On Coco Crisp Leave a Reply

  1. Jdobb 4 years ago

    PLEASE NO!!! Get Beltron or Fielder.

  2. bbq1959 4 years ago

    he droped boras. he is now a loranzo client

  3. Cards_Fanboy 4 years ago

    Beltran must be pushing for $14+ milly /yr or something.  Counting Furcal’s $7 mill that would put them at $21 mill this offseason.  I have my doubts Moz and Dewitt will go quite that high after seeing the Pujols offer.

    • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

      you think they wouldn’t have given pujols 2/$42M?

      • Cards_Fanboy 4 years ago

        Yea they would’ve, but for Pujols only.  Their real offer wasn’t even for $21 mill / year upfront.  At least a 3 mill / year was allegedly deferred.  I’m thinking 2 yrs / $27 mill is about their cap for Beltran, but we shall see I reckon.

        • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

          beltran is reported to be seeking 2/$25M with an option. that’d be less than $20M per season for beltran and furcal, and a really good use of the pujols money imo

          if i were a cards fan i’d be really annoyed if they signed crisp instead

      • Dylan 4 years ago

        I think they would have given him 1/42M

  4. DanH35 4 years ago

    I like Craig, but he is nowhere near as good as Heyward. 

    • Heyward is a better defender and younger but if you look at Craigs stats he hit over .300 and over 20 hrs in every level. He will  do this also in majors once given the opportunity. That said it would not be a one for one trade but include others from Cards such as Cox. 

  5. bighiggy 4 years ago

    i like craig, but i would trade him and mcclellan and westbrook for prado, jurrjens and a prospect

    • BrosaParks 4 years ago

      ..Except the Braves definitely don’t need anymore pitching.

      • bighiggy 4 years ago

        well i think just trading chambers, a lefty center fielder, and craig would get prado

        • BrosaParks 4 years ago

          He’s basically Skip Schumaker with a little more power and bats from the right side. No thanks.

          • bighiggy 4 years ago

            who is basically skip? are you talking about craig? or crisp

          • BrosaParks 4 years ago

            I guess you couldn’t follow a conversation. Martin Prado is just like Skip with more power. Why would we trade all that for someone who potentially could be non-tendered in the future?

          • bighiggy 4 years ago

            i can follow a conversation but when 10 names are mentioned in that conversation and you dont say who you are talking about it is hard to follow!  and prado is a much better fielder at second than skip, and alot more power, big improvement. i might not give up craig for him, but if we sign crisp we have an overage of outfielders and you have to deal from your surplus.

          • BrosaParks 4 years ago

            5/6 homeruns a year is not “alot more power.”Why would we have tendered Skip if we didn’t play on him being an integralpart? They wouldn’t play him at second if they were worriedabout defensive statistics. 

          • bighiggy 4 years ago

            true,but crisp isnt the solution

          • BrosaParks 4 years ago

            5/6 homeruns a year is not “alot more power.”Why would we have tendered Skip if we didn’t play on him being an integralpart? They wouldn’t play him at second if they were worriedabout defensive statistics. 

          • BrosaParks 4 years ago

            I guess you couldn’t follow a conversation. Martin Prado is just like Skip with more power. Why would we trade all that for someone who potentially could be non-tendered in the future?

  6. Leonard Washington 4 years ago

    I’m not sure how Coco has done as a leadoff hitter since years ago with the Sox, but unless he got a lot better hitting #1 I doubt he is leading off for the Cards. That said it was awesome to watch him on defense, speeds nice, and his bat isn’t awful.

    • nictonjr 4 years ago

      Someone has to hit leadoff.  As it stands today, I’d guess Jay….

      • Leonard Washington 4 years ago

        I agree. Coco could leadoff but if I was the Cards I would try Furcal, or Jay before I resorted to that. 

        • bighiggy 4 years ago

          i just think a lineup with shumaker, crisp and jay is power lacking, i mean molina has alittle pop and furcal too but even they dont hit alot of homers and we dont know what freese will do, i just think all that speed wont make up for a loss of power

          • mondaymorninggm 4 years ago

            schumaker isnt starting, its dscalso at 2nd according to mo, and jay will only start for a month till craig is back. but youre right, if those 3 were all penciled in for the season i’d be concerned too.

          • Redbirds16 4 years ago

            I think Jay vs. Crisp is a platoon waiting to happen. Crisp vs. LH, Jay vs. most RH. And whoever doesn’t start is a late inning replacement for Craig/Berkman/Holliday.

            I just think if the Cards add Crisp, they start to limit the value Schumaker has to the team.

  7. AndySTL 4 years ago

    james shields a 4 or 5 starter????…if the Cards got Shields he would be our 2 or 3 starter…james shields is wayyy better than jaime

  8. bighiggy 4 years ago

    do you think craig, mcclellan and westbrook and throw in a jose garcia and someone else would be enough to get shields?

    • sam_lammert 4 years ago

      im not sure, i think that if we included westbrook that would make us give more, so take out garcia and maybe throw in martinez and it could get it done maybe, they might be asking for a kings ransom though

      • bighiggy 4 years ago

        i wasnt talking about garcia our pitcher, jose garcia is a minor league short stop of ours that has some potential, and mcclellan is a good reliever, westbrook a starter and of course craig is a stud, so they get a good package and i would think the payroll going both directions would be comparable

        • sam_lammert 4 years ago

          i knew who you were refering too, i just ment since westbrooke was in there that it would be negative trade value and that we would need a better prospect in there than garcia

          • bighiggy 4 years ago

            i see,i read your post wrong, i think martinez added would be too much, im sure they could find some combination without giving up the farm

          • sam_lammert 4 years ago

            i don’t think the rays would give him up for anything short of a top prospect with what the padres just got for Latos

          • sam_lammert 4 years ago

            i don’t think the rays would give him up for anything short of a top prospect with what the padres just got for Latos

      • Throw in Martinez! to go with Craig! No Thanks, The Cards have no need for Shields even though he is a nice pitcher. Only way this is done if the Cards could spin off Shields for Montero and Bettances. In that situation why not just keep what you have?

        • sam_lammert 4 years ago

          i would never want this, i was just answering his question, thats what i think it could take, and i think we seriously overvalue craig here, don’t get me wrong, i love him, but hes not as good as we think

    • Ferrariman 4 years ago

      not a chance, Westbrook makes a deal worse and McClellan does little for a team like the Rays who already have at least 10 better pitchers, though Craig might be a good player to build a package around.

      • bighiggy 4 years ago

        so craig, jose garcia, he’s a short stop,plus cox and brian anderson or cruz? sound like a sound package. we have to get rid of westbrook then.

    • Robert A. 4 years ago

      Was rumored that the package for Shields in the Reds-Rays talks was the same one that went to SD for Latos except TB wanted Mesaroco instead of Grandal.

      Craig’s a stud. McClellan and Westbrook are good not great pitchers and Jose Garcia is not nearly as highly touted as an Alonso or maybe even Grandal (ableit at a very different position).

      If a package built around great long term options at 1B and DH for the Rays (both needs of theirs, more than pitching) didn’t do it for Shields, methinks the package mentioned above wouldn’t quite do it either.

  9. = piglatin

  10. nictonjr 4 years ago

     The quote at top says he looking for the west coast or a winner AND find a good financial situation.  He made $5.75 mil last year.  Every other FA signing has been for too much.  I’d guess 1/6 or 2/12

    • bighiggy 4 years ago

      if we give coco 6 mil and not beltran 12mil i would be deeply dissappointed!

      • nictonjr 4 years ago

        The difference would be 1/6 vs 2/25-3/36. One year deals aren’t bad.  Even if it’s a slight overpay…

        • bighiggy 4 years ago

          honestly we have money for both him and beltran, then package craig for prado or another better starter

  11. I also feel the Cardinals were going in the right direction by letting Pujols take the money and go elsewhere.  However, I also feel they are doing all they can at this point… Other than Fielder and Rollins, the free agent market is really thin on healthy and dependable (stats wise) players.  As for Fielder, it just doesn’t make sense to give him all the money he wants.  Pujols would have just been an overpay b/c he’s Pujols.  As for Rollins, there is no way they could have gotten him for $11 million a year.  He was looking for someone to majorly overpay (just like the Pujols situation) and when no one would he ended up back in Philly… I agree that I don’t think Coco is the answer and Beltran is a MUCH better option.  However, the Cardinals are a smart organization and may not feel comfortable giving a player with Beltran’s health history the kind of money he is wanting…

  12. Kendall Adkins 4 years ago

    NOOOOO!!! 

  13. He coulda stole 12 and he would of been the Cardinals team leader. Hopefully, we have him running often.

  14. Why don’t the Twins sign him? They lost both corner OFers, and need some bench players.

  15. highski 4 years ago

    Glad you consider this a Pujols replacement. LOL

  16. Bizarre to consider. If he can get on base better than he has in recent years, then his speed might boost this offense and take it in another direction. However, I don’t see anything in his stats to suggest that such a change is likely to happen.

  17. The_BiRDS 4 years ago

    Great he’s a healthy Furcal.

  18. dc21892 4 years ago

    Better luck next time.

  19. johnsilver 4 years ago

    You get the idea Cardinals fans do not respect the idea of someone who brings GG defense, speed and plays the game all out in Crisp? Not to mention would be cheaper (most likely) than beltran.

    Crisp is a lot better choice than Beltran. Cardinals fans are just still crying the blues over Pujols. Wake up.. He is long gone and.. Well, almost hard to find.

    • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

      they could do worse than crisp, but beltran would be quite a bit better. you don’t win a world series, lose albert pujols, and suddenly get cheap

      if they like crisp better than beltran for some reason that’s one thing. but choosing him because he’s cheaper would be a mistake

      • johnsilver 4 years ago

        Overall what he can do is my reasoning. Play 3 positions and especially CF at GG ability, steal 30-50 bases, play with intesnity.

        Crisp would be in a pretty good, spacey type stadium for his abilities also, lots of room for his slash and run style of game. Maybe some of it is my “love” of his style, defense and overall hustle on the field, but feel that he would be a perfect fit for many teams and Beltran, even though Crisp for 2 seasons had health issues, does not have a chronic issue that probably will never go away.

    • We just won a World Series with John Jay. Plays hard, durable, plays good defense, and plays cheap. Not the greatest hitter, but neither is Coco Crisp. Dislike…

      • johnsilver 4 years ago

        Thats ok, everyone has opinions on certain players, I just came to respect Crisp as one of the hardest nosed, in your face type players ever saw in 40 years of watching the game when Crisp was with the Red Sox and on top of that? he is/was one with multiple talent for baseball.

        Slash and run as good as about anyone and if a pitcher makes a mistake? he has the power to make them pay, which many speedy players lack, not to mention when he played CF with Boston was IMO the finest since Freddy Lynn and was the best with getting reads off of the bat since then also.. His arm is his only OF weakness.

        Yes, my opinions may be tainted some since grew to appreciate his talents, but any team that ends up with him’s fans will end up appreciating his game more than who ends up with beltran and his crippled knees IMO.

      • gopinebrothers 4 years ago

        Hit for .300 during the second major league season of his career.  Let’s see what he can do.  If you want a researve OF; how about Ankiel.

  20. i’ll bite, who are you talking about?

  21. AndySTL 4 years ago

    Ethier has been in large decline…J-Ham should be getting a contract extension from the Rangers soon i imagine

  22. Redbirds16 4 years ago

    Toronto gets a 12th OFer/DH type…

  23. DT Flush234 4 years ago

    Derrick Goold

    For folks asking if #Cardinals are “out” on Beltran b/c of Crisp “discussions”: Slow down. It hasn’t been reported. They’re still interested
    Tweeted by Derrick Goold

  24. mojowo11 4 years ago

    So is the low OBP, at least over the last five years or so.

  25. Redbirds16 4 years ago

    I could see that, if the club was willing to dedicate resources elsewhere. 

    With Craig coming back after a month, the Cards are in a difficult predicament. They can spend a lot on Beltran and get full utility for really only a month before Craig comes back. Then there’s a logjam with Berkman, Craig, Jay, and Holliday fighting for playing time at 3ish positions. I say 3ish because only Jay could play CF on a daily basis. So it’s hard to really be in favor of the Beltran signing.

    Yet Crisp is light of bat, and the Cards need another heart-of-the-order hitter. If the club was looking to acquire a decent second baseman for ~$10 million a year and spend their resources that way, I’d be all for Crisp. He’d be perfect, actually. Only problem is, there isn’t anyone really available who fits that description. 

  26. mojowo11 4 years ago

    You’re outraged at something that hasn’t even happened yet? It’s just as likely that the Cards leaked their interest in Crisp for leverage in the Beltran negotiations as it is that they’re actually trying to get him. Chill out, man.

  27. DT Flush234 4 years ago

    Its Official, the Toronto Blue Jays have won the bidding for SP Yu Darvish at $52 000 000 (US)

  28. David McCutcheon 4 years ago

    BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! That’s the sound of me puking EVERYWHERE. Cereal has never really gotten along with me.

  29. David McCutcheon 4 years ago

    BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! That’s the sound of me puking EVERYWHERE. Cereal has never really gotten along with me.

  30. Cheap! That is the one word I think of when I think about this happening another pass on getting anybody that might help the team. Beltran or Crisp that is a no brainer I would take Beltran over him any day, I mean beltran might help with some of the offense in the middle of the lineup we have a whole bunch of players with no pop on are bench and in are lineup

  31. Stl_Great 4 years ago

    Coco can be the Cardinals fighter, ask James Shields

    • I doubt he wants to talk about it.

      • johnsilver 4 years ago

        Would that be before, or after the entire Rays team piled onto him?

        As to Crisp’s preference to play for a winner.. he can always come back to Boston as the best #4 they have had in years.. Boston has been in the playoff hunt every year since the late 60’s, except for 1-2 seasons and played below .500 only 1 time as recall during the last 40 years.

        That pretty well describes a perennial playoff contender/winner.

  32. Stl_Great 4 years ago

    Coco can be the Cardinals fighter, ask James Shields

  33. Lanidrac 4 years ago

    I don’t care how many bases he steals. I do NOT want a .314 OBP batting leadoff.

  34. walrusgod 4 years ago

    I actually wouldn’t mind signing Crisp if it’s to a one year deal (and if it isn’t for too much money).  Beltran has obviously been a much better player in the past, but will cost more money and be for 2-3 years.  Signing Crisp gives us someone to play the outfield/steal bases, and frees us up to spend some money next offseason when we have a lot more options.  The biggest problem with people wanting the Cards to “spend the Pujols money now” is that there aren’t a lot of really good free agents out there right now.  By saving a little money now, we could go in on a really good OF or SP next offseason.  I think we’ll be able to compete this year regardless of who we sign for the OF (barring any major injuries, which is a very legitimate concern with our team right now), but I’m not sure we need to try and go all in for 2012 at the expense of keeping ourselves in good shape for the future.

  35. James Samuel 4 years ago

    jose reyes highest obp in a season was .384 this last year. his average year is .341 lets not act like he is rickey henderson…crips obp would make you worry but he won’t be an everyday player when craig is back thats why i think the beltran talk is all smoke
     

  36. Wanting to play for a winner pretty much knocks the Cubs out.

  37. stl_cards16 4 years ago

    Question for fellow Cards fans.  Which would you prefer if you had a choice?

    Adding Crisp and Oswalt both on one-year deals.  Money would be pretty much maxed out this year but would have a lot of money to spend after next season.

    vs.

    Signing Beltran for 2 years with an option for a 3rd?  Signing Beltran would leave a little more flexibility this year for a possible trade or small signing but would have the OF pretty full for at least 2 more years.

    • I’d take Crisp and Oswalt hands down. Oswalt would make our rotation stellar, and Crisp could be a nice little piece. Plus, I want to be able to go after a big FA next year (Hamilton, Bourn).

      Oswalt might be willing to take a couple mil less to come here. He’s said he wanted to pitch in STL many times.

      • jhfdssdaf 4 years ago

        Lohse and Westbrook are gone next year, presumably replaced by cheap talent from the farm.  Berkman is only on a one year deal.  What’s stopping the Cardinals from going after a big name next offseason anyway?

        • Shelby will be up and take Lohse’s spot, but we still have to fill the 4-spot. Plus, extensions to Yadi and Wainwright won’t be cheap. Matt Adams will be up to play first (assuming all goes well in AAA), and Craig will play RF. If we sign Beltran there might not be room for Bourn or Hamilton.

      • Nick Blickhan 4 years ago

        interesting that you threw Hamilton in there. Remember the during the World Series when he had a post-game interview? I think it was after game 2. He said he loves playing here. (in StL) I’d welcome that guy w/ open arms! 

        • I could see him matching up great with Holliday. Killer lefty-righty combo. Bourn is much more likely however.

    • jhfdssdaf 4 years ago

      Of the two choices offered, Beltran is the better option.  There is no room for Oswalt in the starting rotation.

      If you create room in the rotation, the discusion has more merit, but you also have to ask whether or not Oswalt at this point in his career is a big enough improvement over Westbrook or Lohse to warrant signing him, particularly since you’ll have to eat salary in any trade.  Either can be replaced by Miller come July or August, as well, instead of spending the money on Oswalt.

      If there is a Crisp + upgrade second base option, I’ll consider that, but otherwise sign Beltran and move on.

      • Definitely better than Westbrook. Oswalt can be a #3, but Westy is a #5.

        • jhfdssdaf 4 years ago

          I agree he’s better than Westbrook.  Here’s a hypothetical:  Oswalt signs for $12 million (25% LESS than he made last year).  You trade Westbrook, but are forced to eat $6 million in salary.  Is Oswalt’s improvement over Westbrook worth $18 million?  I think the answer is no.

          • I agree, not for that price. But I think we could get Oswalt on a 7-8 mil deal. And we may be able to find a team that will take on 1/2 of the 8 mil we’re giving Westy. At that rate I’d say yes.

            But even if we had all that, Westy would likely use his NTC.

  38. jondogg2010 4 years ago

    I’d like to see the Red Sox grab him. Can play all 3 OF spots. Re-unite!

  39. Cardinals have a great outfield, we need a solid second baseman. And let Albert go, hes just going to be a money vacuum in a few years.

  40. Cincinnati can smile as much as they want, Cards are still the champion until someone officially knocks them off

  41. Dylan 4 years ago

    …or they are wanting to go to 1 year deals because Victorino, Hamilton, Bourn, BJ Upton (if he has a bounce back year), and Ethier are all FA. It’s smart to hold out this year for them to see what Jay and Craig can do with a full season and then take the market from there.

    If they go hard after Beltran, they couldn’t really go after guys like Victorino and Bourn (who I expect they will have major interest in next year).

  42. Look at Allen Craig’s postseason and minor league stats and then try to make the case that he is a “utility” outfielder

    the guy will rake when he gets healthy

  43. bighiggy 4 years ago

    i agree the crop of free agent outfielders next year are much better than this year  i still think that we would need to trade for a better second baseman or better 5th starter

  44. rangersfan32 4 years ago

    Yeah good luck with that whole Hamilton fantasy.

  45. mondaymorninggm 4 years ago

    i concur, the reds were terrible lasy year, so they add latos but the cards add wainwright. how are the reds so incredible all of a sudden.??

  46. stl_cards16 4 years ago

    There hasn’t been a league to figure him out yet. All he has ever done is hit. He has always had a legitimate bat just no position. That’s why he hasn’t ever received the hype.

  47. Thats really grasping at straws if thats your comparison to justify that judgement.  It especially proves that you did not cover this team whatsoever this past season

    and you say that a veteran team that is getting older should seize an opportunity to sign a 35 year old with bad knees?  That may be even worse justification. 

  48. Freese and Craig are no flukes, they both hit the ball to all fields with power and are patient hitters. If healthy both will hit over 20 hrs and hit close to .300.

  49. I disagree with you regarding Craig, and agree with you that the Cardinals should be doing all they can to sign Beltran.  

    Of course, I’m just a guy who is procrastinating taking the trash out…I know very little about his health and the years/dollars that his agent is trying to cajole out of the most willing GM.

  50. madman176 4 years ago

    Tyler Colvin had a .748 ops in AAA and a .779 ops in AA
    Allen Craig had a .924 ops in AAA and a .868 ops in AA
    Not exactly the best comparison.

  51. Dylan 4 years ago

    Yeah a three year deal for 2nd basemen until Kolten is ready would be perfect for your Cards

  52. Than why don’t the rest of them produce the way he does?

    he racked up 2.9 WAR in 219 plate appearance last year and 200 at bats.

    .917 OPS in the MAJORS, not the minors!

    The guy has hit at every level, CONSISTENTLY.  He was drafted as a short stop and hasn’t been able to find a position until now.

    Hope your ready to eat crow all next season

  53. stl_cards16 4 years ago

    Of course, you can say that about any player that comes through the minors. There are plenty of players just like Craig that have been great too.

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