Rangers Not Confident They Can Land Garza

3:27am: FOX Sports' Ken Rosenthal (who apparently doesn't sleep) tweets that the Rangers are "not at all" confident that they will be able to pry Garza away from the Cubs. Texas considers Chicago's asking price to be too steep.

10:06pm: The Cubs and Rangers are discussing a possible swap of Matt Garza for prospects, but aren't close to matching up yet, tweets Bruce Levine of ESPN Chicago. Danny Knobler of CBS Sports confirms (via Twitter) that the Rangers are trying to acquire the right-hander.

The Cubs are rumored to be seeking an "overwhelming offer" for Garza.

Steve Adams contributed to this post.


173 Responses to Rangers Not Confident They Can Land Garza Leave a Reply

  1. Profar, Perez, Olt, and Ramirez should be untouchable. Scheppers is a top prospect I would let go with the bullpen we have he won’t be needed.

    • BlueCatuli 4 years ago

      Going to take one of those four, possibly two. The Cubs don’t need to trade him, but in a thin pitching market they could get a team to overpay.

    • Well, Jeez man… it sounds like you think Garza’s a number 4 or a solid reliever. He’s a good number 2, and will require a plentiful bounty.

      • He is a solid pitcher, but the Rangers need those 4 prospects. where Scheppers, a top 10 Rangers prospect, and Engel Beltre another top 10, are expendable. Not to mention the likes of Julio Borbon. I’m just saying, the Rangers system is deep enough to where they could give a fair return without giving up those 4.

        • Adam Duncan 4 years ago

          But do you really see Theo/Hoyer pulling the trigger on a deal to send their best player away without at least one? I don’t…

          • Garza is only under team control for two years. Remember, Theo is the dummy who signed Crawford to that mega contract. JD is smarter.

          • commenter3346 4 years ago

            Theo actually knows minor league talent though. I don’t think you could fleece him with that. But I will give you he’s terrible in free agency.

          • JacksTigers 4 years ago

            Theo has won two World Series’. Daniels hasn’t won a single one. And please don’t give me the “if Cruz was playing one step back” thing. It doesn’t matter if they went to two in a row. There’s not trophy for second place.

          • Technically there’s the AL Championship trophy.

          • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

            didn’t theo also give michael young his awful contract?

          • i am not impressed with this management at all. been a fan since 74. love my cubs. have a bad feeling we are going to be worse then last year and for years to come. they realize no matter what they put out their fans will come. we always have and until we stop going. they will never fix the problems. they make there money no matter what.

        • BDLugz 4 years ago

          If the Rangers feel they can’t give up any of their top 4 prospects, they wouldn’t even be in discussions.  It will take a lot more than an 8th and 10th prospect to land Garza, who posted the 13th best WAR for all pitchers in 2011 according to Fangraphs.

          • Bingo! Finally some sanity

          • Neil Tatro 4 years ago

            i believe he posted the 15th best WAR in all of baseball in fact. either way that makes him an ACE, not a #2

    • JacksTigers 4 years ago

      How about a room temperature Woo-Hoo and a dirty counterfeit dime?

    • Fligah 4 years ago

      Olt is not an untouchable.

    • sportsnut969 4 years ago

      They claim they want a Ubaldo type return much like the White Sox are asking for Danks so I would thank the return that would get this deal for Garza done would look something like this.
      Martin Perez / Jake Skole / Mike Olt / Jorge Alfaro

      • RangersFan1990 4 years ago

        They won’t use Alfaro as a 4th prospect. He is maybe the most talented player in the system, or atleast in the group with Jordan Akins, David Perez, Mazaro, and Ronald Guzman.

  2. Hmmmm interesting. Im assuming Profar will not be involved because of Castro.

    Also, is it possible to “seek out” an overwhelming offer?

    • jwsox 4 years ago

      The general consensus is that Castro will be moved off of short stop sooner than later he is a horrible defender

      • Adam Duncan 4 years ago

        He is actually awesome range wise from watching him, but he has to work on throwing mechanics. He is like Aramis at SS with better range. Just never know where the throw is gonna go.

      • baseball52 4 years ago

        Theo said he wanted him at short. He’s got great range but his throws are off and his decision making needs to improve. Give him time.

        • Yeah guys dont you remember Starlin being on the cover of SI with the big article titled “The Education of a Shortstop”?

      • Wrek305 4 years ago

        Castro needs to be moved to 2nd and Barney to SS. You have to have the better defender at SS. It’s the most important position in baseball , SS then C then CF something the Cubs don’t have either of.

  3. Kayrall 4 years ago

    DO IT HENDRY, o wait.

    • Wrek305 4 years ago

      Hendry would have traded Garza for Brian Roberts if he had the chance. Roberts is a pile of horses***.

  4. Tommy Meyers 4 years ago

    Moreland, Perez, and another mid level prospect, get it done

  5. If Texas is getting desperate, might as well try and take advantage.

  6. NorthSideIrish 4 years ago

    Gotta think Olt is the main piece. Cubs need a 3B and Rangers are set with Beltre. But Cubs can’t move Garza without getting more pitching first…either back from the Rangers or in another deal.

  7. Adam Duncan 4 years ago

    I’m wondering if Theo is planning to trade Garza for at least two top level prospects and then go balls to the wall for Darvish. I just get a weird feeling that Theo loves Yu for some reason.

    • Adam Duncan 4 years ago

      I mean Hoyer…lol. Yeah, not really.

    • Ohhhplease 4 years ago

          He loved and failed miserably with Dice-K, did he learn his lesson yet?  We shall see…..

      • xcal1br 4 years ago

        Daisuke was unhittable before his injury.  This is a risk you have to take into consideration when dealing with athletes, especially pitchers.  If you wouldn’t take the 2008 version of “Dice-K”, there is something seriously wrong with you.

        • MaineSox 4 years ago

          Unhittable is stretching it, the bases were always loaded, he just played Houdini all year.

          • xcal1br 4 years ago

            Well, okay, all hyperbole aside, he was a top of the rotation pitcher (1-2 on most teams), before he was injured.  Maybe not unhittable, but you know what I mean.

          • xcal1br 4 years ago

            Well, okay, all hyperbole aside, he was a top of the rotation pitcher (1-2 on most teams), before he was injured.  Maybe not unhittable, but you know what I mean.

        • commenter3346 4 years ago

          He’s never had a WHIP under 1.324 in his entire career. In 2008 he walked 94 batters. 

          • xcal1br 4 years ago

            So, you wouldn’t want him on your team then?

          • commenter3346 4 years ago

            Last year I would. But his constant nibbling can drive you crazy.

          • xcal1br 4 years ago

            So, you wouldn’t want him on your team then?

      • Adam Duncan 4 years ago

        I actually think Darvish is going to be really good. May need a year to adjust, but I’ve watched his stuff, and he is very Young. I’m thinking #2 is probably most likely, 3 worse case scenario, but a solid chance he is a top 10 pitcher in baseball within 3 years. I would have no issue with the Cubs pushing pretty hard considering they have zero Ace potential in their system.

      • baseball52 4 years ago

        Not the same pitcher. Yu wasn’t throwing 250 pitches a game for years.

    • Theo won’t get our 2 best prospects…Garza isn’t an ace.

    • cub87fan 4 years ago

      Why not keep Garza and go after Darvish then.  It’s not like they have to open up a spot in the rotation and Garza is reasonably priced. 

  8. kevmill21 4 years ago

    is upgrade over harrison? lewis? worth these…”top prospects”?

    • You mean an upgrade over anyone the Rangers will have in their rotation next year? MAtt Garza had a great season last year. Dont let the numbers fool you

      • You really underestimate the Rangers rotation…

        • No. You really underestimate Matt Garza

          • I’ve watched Garza pitch since he’s been in the league. He is a really good pitcher, but Holland, Ogando, and Feliz have the chance to better than him. You’ll start to see that in about 4 months.

          • I just dont think we have seen the peak of Garza yet. He is only 27 coming off of his best season. Great stuff, but now hes polishing his all-around game

          • I would hope not, but his years leading up to this past year have been underwhelming. He pitched this year in th NL which to me makes a difference.

    • Fligah 4 years ago

      Yes he’s an upgrade over those two. He is however only a slight upgrade over Feliz and Ogando. He’s roughly as good as Holland post all star break.

      • MaineSox 4 years ago

        You have no idea how good Feliz will be as a starter next year (or if Ogando will keep pitching at last years level for that matter).

  9. Wainwrights_Curveball 4 years ago

    GARRRRRZA

  10. Madman2TX 4 years ago

    The Rangers are gauging the Cubs like they did with Bailey and the A’s…they’re not desperate to make a move when there are other options still out there…and yes, they can save their piggy banks for Darvish if that is how they choose.

  11.  “Overwhelming offer” for Garza? Hey Theo, he’s not the second coming of Roger Clemens—he’s a .500 pitcher with an ERA of nearly 4.00.

    • Adam Duncan 4 years ago

      You just quoted record and ERA. #fail

    • phee17 4 years ago

      3.32 last year and 3.80 ERA for his career, much of which was in the AL east against the power lineups. you can’t just look at his record and decide he is just an average pitcher. He is a workhorse and a solid #2 on most MLB teams.

    • Shocking fail

  12. johnsilver 4 years ago

    Texas will have to install a spitoon around the mound for Garza, the human spitting machine, but tobacco is always in style in Texas, along with 10 gallon hats and good ‘ole 6 shooters eh 😉

    Not knocking Garza for that habit. Could always tell from his Rays days when he would get flustered on the mound that way. He would tilt his head up, spit 2-3 times in a row more than normal, then circle the mound, spitting the entire time before getting back to the rubber.

    Garza is a fine pitcher IMO and just as good as Gio Gonzalez, but would hate to see the Rangers overpay for him.. epstein is smart and knows Garza is about the only trade chip he has and is going to be slick with him.

    • He won’t swindle Jon Daniels…so i’m not worried.

      • Clark_N_Addison 4 years ago

        Jon Daniels is over-rated.

        • The Cubs are overrated

          • commenter3346 4 years ago

            I don’t see how that’s possible. They suck right now. Their farm system sucks. They have terrible contracts. Everyone knows all that though.

          • Yea, it was more of a joke..like the Cubs in general.

          • Clark_N_Addison 4 years ago

            Good one.. That stung.. I look forward to seeing Holland, Ogando, and Feliz’s numbers next year and see how they stack up to Garza’s. If JD doesn’t want to give up any top prospects, that’s his decision. Personally I would rather lock Garza up for the next several years. Theo said he would have to be blown away with an offer to even consider trading Garza. Tons of deals break off every year because teams can’t come to an agreement. This is no different. If JD wants to spend $50 million (just as a posting fee, then he has to pay the same amount to sign him) to get an unproven pitcher from Japan instead, go for it. How many Japanese pitchers have dominated MLB over the years?

          • This discussion about Japanese pitchers has been beaten to death already. The problem with trading for Garza is just that, you have to trade good prospects. With Darvish, it’s just straight money. You don’t have to sacrifice your farm. Plus the posting fee doesn’t go towards your salary. We’ll all find out soon enough what he’s made of.

          • Clark_N_Addison 4 years ago

            No doubt.. But you still have to pay through the nose on the posting fee before you can even negotiate with Darvish. When Theo won the bid for DiceK, he was as sure a pitcher that came from Japan that was ever seen. That didn’t work out well. For the money you will be paying for posting and then signing Darvish, you could have resigned CJ. And you still might not have the highest posting bid, so this could be moot.

          • johnsilver 4 years ago

            Epstein got beaten to death for Matszaka,but the Red sox in all likelihood would not have even gotten to the 2007 WS, much less won it without him.

            If you take what the raked in from that WS win, that 100m probably paid for itself just with what he gave them in 2007 alone.

            Granted he really only had that 1 mediocre season and the 2008 season he was good, but still.. that 2007 season he played a pretty important part.

          • Clark_N_Addison 4 years ago

            Considering he was the third best pitcher on the staff in 2007, I wouldn’t say he was worth the money the Red Sox paid for him.

            I’ll give him credit for winning Game 7 in the ALCS that year, but he still wasn’t as valuable as Beckett and Schilling in the playoffs that year.If you’re going to shell out that kind of money for a Japanese pitcher, he better be you number one or two at the very least.

            With the Rangers he will be number one by default. Whether he pitches like one remains to be seen.

          • johnsilver 4 years ago

            Oh no, no.. Course he was not nearly as important as becket, who deserved to have won the Cy Young that year even and even Schill.but those innings he threw, his certain games inwhich he was outstanding they probably could not have done without that year was my point.

            That 100m was tiny change to a locale like new England for marketing and exposure for what they gained with that WS win and it was not just here, but International in Japan that year as well. Okajima even.

          • Clark_N_Addison 4 years ago

            I hear you. My point is that the Rangers will need for Darvish to pitch like an ace. In Boston, they already had Beckett and Schill.

            If you still had Lee and Wilson, I think Darvish would fit in easily without the pressure of being an ace.Now with CJ going to the Angels, the Rangers are going to need a pitcher with more of a track record. You just don’t know with Darvish.

    • Adam Duncan 4 years ago

      Lol @ the spittoon comment. Texas might be the perfect place for him :-)

  13. xcal1br 4 years ago

    Personally, I’d rather the Cubs extend Garza now, instead of letting him go to another team.  He is an absolute stud and is still well on the better side of 30.  Any “prospects” we would get in return only have a 50-50 or worse chance of becoming Garza-esque.  Why not keep Garza to anchor our rotation this year and try to work out a four or five year extension so he will still be around once we are contenders again?

    • Garza is a #2 at best. If they can get a couple of blue-chippers plus then it might be worth it to move him given the rebuild.

      • xcal1br 4 years ago

        I would assert that he is a strong #2 and easily the best the Cubs have in the entire system.  So their options are either stay with the known commodity or roll the dice on potential.  They could end up with the next Mark Prior or they could end up with the next Justin Verlander.  More likely, they’ll end up somewhere in the middle, which is less than what they have in Garza.

  14. It was reported that the Rangers balked at including Feldman in the trade…there had to be more to the story than that though.

  15. JunKim 4 years ago

    Olt is boarder line top 100 prospects. People normally don’t call it “untouchable.”  That word goes to true elite prospects, such as Harper, Trout, Moore.. Rangers fans are really exaggerating their prospects.  They have to realize recent studies shows that 1 out of 8 top 100 prospects live up to their hype. If they just want to offer low end guys then just forget about making trade and stick to their current rotation.

    Ah, plus getting Darvish would be a hell of a job. He will easily cost 50m or more for posting and at least $80m to get his service for 6 yrs.  So basically 22~23m per year for Darvish.  Can Rangers really compete against desperate Yankees? Will they still have money to extend all of their guys expected to hit FA in a year or two?
      
    They better not make any trades and just focus on their prospects.  No dummies will trade their valuable proven asset for some garbage extra prospects. Plus, Olt is 24yrs old playing A+, hitting for .250 average while getting 200k in a full season pace. Maybe Rangers call it “untouchable” prospects but other farm systems generally don’t label that type of prospect “Untouchable.”

    • You don’t know what the Rangers offered the Cubs. Don’t assume it was a low offer. Knowing Jon Daniels it was a good offer, but he just isn’t going to get “beat” badly in a deal.
      I don’t get how you can say that we’re overvalueing our prospects just because we’re saying some players are “untouchable” when it comes to Matt Garza…i’ll repeat…this is for Matt Garza. We’re not talking about an ace, whom ALL of the prospects would be on the table for.
      Aside from that, prospects are all about the hype. According to your logic, prospects are so unlikely to be a hit, that teams should be giving up like 6-8 prospects per trade.

      • Clark_N_Addison 4 years ago

        The balance of power in the AL West has changed!! And NOW so has the Rangers off season plans.

        Now that the Angels have the best staff in the AL West (by far) and are the prohibitive favorites in the division, I can’t wait to see how JD ups his offer for prospects just to keep up.

        AND now the rumor that the Angels are offering Trumbo to the A’s for Bailey. Well… you know how this is going to end and not well for the Rangers if they don’t bolster their staff.

        Whether it’s for Garza or Gio, he now HAS to pay through the nose. There goes your top prospects.

        • Keep dreaming pal…the Rangers are still the best team in the AL West. It’ll take alot more than Pujols to make up the run differential between the Rangers and Angels.
          You need to face the facts that Garza will not net y’all the ace haul you think he will. We are not going to up our offer for a guy that is not a clear improvement on our staff. Just because the Cubs were dumb and traded a big haul for him doesn’t make every other team in MLB dumb enough.
          YOu shouldn’t talk so much about the Rangers when the Cubs still will not be able to make the playoffs despite the extra wild card.

          • Clark_N_Addison 4 years ago

            You got it… “pal”. Whatever.

            See.. I’m not worried and getting all defensive about it. I know you’re feeling jilted and stunned right now. That was a helluva blow dealt by the Angels that your Rangers took on the chin today. But being mean about it isn’t going to help. You guys are going to need to have a group hug. Well; buck up there fella.. Chin up.. Tomorrow is a new day. It will get better; someday.

            Pay for Gio Gonzalez, I could care less. But no doubt, JD is going to give up top prospects now. There is no way the Rangers stay relevant with that pitching staff.

            Garza would be THE ace if he were traded to the Rangers. Harrison?? Please..

    • JunKim 4 years ago

      If even Olt is untouchable, then the negotiation should not even start.  That’s called a “low” offer.  Angel Beltre and other prospects at similar levels are not impact prospects and there are tons of those in any other systems. I don’t think Theo is that dumb to accept mediocre prospects for their best trading asset.  Unless the headline of package begins with either Profar or Perez, Cubs will just hang up the phone.  If not ready to offer leigt prospect for proven MLB player, then don’t waste time and try luck on landing Darvish, spending minimum of 120m for 6 years of his service, while he could be another Japanese bust pitcher just like his buddies, Igawa and/or Dice-K.

      • lol so it’s “give us your best prospects for Matt Garza, because that Yu Darvish is going to be a bust.”
        Yu Darvish has no bearing on this trade. The Rangers will have done their homework on Darvish. If that front office is confident in him then Rangers fans have reason to be confident in him. This front office, led by Jon Daniels, has earned that respect. They know what they’re doing.
        Jon Daniels doesn’t lowball teams in trades. He always makes fair deals. You’re assuming that just because we’re unwilling to get clearly beaten in a trade that we’re making low offers….
        Garza is NOT the kind of guy you put your best prospects on the table for. He is not Felix Hernandez no matter how much you want to think he is.

        • JunKim 4 years ago

          Well, Napoli worth much more than one year average reliever that’s for sure.  What Daniels thinking fair value sounds million years away from what Theo is thinking a fair value.  So the deal is unlikely.  What I am questioning, is that does Rangers have 130m ready to get Darvish, competing against Yankees while having most of their core players hitting FA in a year or two? So it’d be smart to stick to what you already have, Felitz, Holland, Lewis, Feldman, Ogando, Harrison. 

          • Why are you bringing up the Napoli trade? Neither side knew Napoli would have that kind of year…the Jays obviously didn’t think much of him…
            And the Rangers have more than enough money to get Darvish if they choose too.

          • Why are you bringing up the Napoli trade? Neither side knew Napoli would have that kind of year…the Jays obviously didn’t think much of him…
            And the Rangers have more than enough money to get Darvish if they choose too.

        • JunKim 4 years ago

          Well, Napoli worth much more than one year average reliever that’s for sure.  What Daniels thinking fair value sounds million years away from what Theo is thinking a fair value.  So the deal is unlikely.  What I am questioning, is that does Rangers have 130m ready to get Darvish, competing against Yankees while having most of their core players hitting FA in a year or two? So it’d be smart to stick to what you already have, Felitz, Holland, Lewis, Feldman, Ogando, Harrison. 

  16. RangersFan1990 4 years ago

    Ranger Fans:

    When dealing with something that is a proven commodity like Garza, you have to give up high quality unproven talent. Low balling them with offers of Grimm, Engel Beltre, Robbie Ross, Tanner Scheppers, etc as the headliner is going to get us nowhere,

    Offer them Moreland, Olt, Ross, and Beltre OR Harrison Ross and Beltre and see where that gets us. If it works, great. If not, just role with what we got because that is a lot better than most teams are working with.

    Maybe even sign Darvish and get a nice return on Colby Lewis (who at 3 million and that nice road ERA should get nice piece).

    Darvish
    Garza
    Holland
    Ogando
    Feliz

    That is a VERY talented rotation, albeit one with a LOT of variabilty. But who on that staff doesn’t have the potential to be a top of the rotation guy next year? I think all of them could. With that, we could rival the Phillies and Angels as having the best roto in baseball. Plus we have that sick offense.

    Just my thoughts.

    • baschkar 4 years ago

      The Harrison trade is the best I’ve seen on here, and I may be willing to include Harrison and Moreland in the same deal with a Ross or E.Beltre if we knew we could get prince. And that rotation has extreme amounts of potential, could use another lefty though. Trade colby to the reds for a prospect, mark Lowe to the red sox for Jed Lowrie.

  17. Texas fans severely over valuing their prospects here.  Garza is by no means an ace pitcher, but in what world is Olt an untouchable prospect?

  18. cubfan4life 4 years ago

    I am not really behind the idea of trading Garza however if youre going to move him you have to get at least 3 ML prospects in return. I think that if Texas is going to get him the 2 guys that have to be in the discussion are Martin Perez and Mike Olt. Without those 2 Theo and Jed should just hang up the cell and move on. The other pieces are relatively interchangeable. Whether its Ross, Scheppers, Buckel, Mendez, Grimm, Lamb or possibly Barret Loux. All have different pros and cons and i think that one out of the Ross, Scheppers, or Grimm group along with the other 2 guys would be enough for Garzy. But like i said at the beginning. Garza doesnt have to be traded. He is still young. Has very good mechanics. Injury risk is always there with a pitcher but seemingly less so with his mechanics. And he is under team control for more than just this year.

    • Garza isn’t near good enough to get that return. He is not Ubaldo Jiminez so don’t try to compare that trade to this one.

      • cubfan4life 4 years ago

        Did i say one word about Ubaldo in my post? No. I also said that i dont believe that they HAVE to trade Garza. Theo and Co. have said that they want an overwhelming offer for Garza. Texas has got to be a little panicked with what has happened out in Anaheim. Texas has the lineup to compete with anyone. But their rotation is iffy. Who knows what Feliz is going to give you as a starter. They have been linked to Darvish but who knows what he will give you in year 1 if they can even sign him. Garza right now represents the best on the trade market and he also represents a known quantity. You know what youre going to get from him.

        If you add up everything, known quantity, affordable, under team control for 2 years, best available pitcher on the market, no real need to move him. Chicago has all the leverage. Thats why it would take the type of package i brought up in order to get him.

  19. Adam Sager 4 years ago

    Yeah looking from the outside about Garza to the Rangers, I would say the Cubs could easily ask what the Rockies did for Jiminez.  I would ask for

    Moreland/Olt
    Perez
    Schepper
    Another pitching prospect

  20. Wrek305 4 years ago

    Garza would fit nicely with Texas. I wish they didn’t admit they aren’t confident. It wouldn’t take much the Cubs are in a rebuilding process all they need is at least one player who is ready for the ML level and a couple top 20 prospects.

  21. chee1rs 4 years ago

    why’s Theo looking to deal him ????

    • Clark_N_Addison 4 years ago

      I think Theo is on the fence with Garza. There is no doubt that you want to keep and build around him. But because of Hendry and the previous ownership, the Cubs have a weak system at the upper levels.

      So, if there is an offer that blows Theo away, I don’t see any reason not to at least consider it.

      If you ask some of the Rangers fans on this board, they are trying to minimize Garza by calling him at number 2 pitcher at best and claim that JD won’t give up the farm for a number 2 pitcher. The stats speak otherwise.

      link to baseballprospectus.com

      If you look at his PVORP (Pitcher – Value Over Replacement), Garza is 9th in all of baseball from last season. Harrison is 21st. If the Rangers want Gio Gonzalez, he is 55th. Look at the other stats as well (FRA & FIP) and see how Garza matches up with Gio. Better to check a pitchers FRA over ERA. It tells more about the pitcher.

      If JD would rather overpay to get Gio instead of Garza, fine by me. I would rather keep Garza anyway. I hope JD makes a trade within the division.

  22. I’m guessing they want to at least match the quality of the first Garza trade.

  23. What the hell do you think you’re gonna get? Hamilton and Feliz?

  24. JacksTigers 4 years ago

    Tyler Garibay doesn’t want to give up anything and you want it all. There must be some sort of happy median.

  25. InLeylandWeTrust 4 years ago

    The only Cub you should be buying a jersey of is Castro. Gotta think long term here boy

  26. If you arent willing to give up top minor league talent, then you are not getting Garza, or any top major league talent for that matter.

  27. Kayrall 4 years ago

    What about the trade for UJ who is NOT an ace?  Col got top notch talent for HIM. 

  28. Adam Duncan 4 years ago

    Agreed. Maybe Jackson if you can find one :-)

  29. Uhh every prospect T_Rangers just named has top talent.

  30. Madman2TX 4 years ago

    That’s patently false, as we acquired Bengie Molina, Cliff Lee and Mike Adams without giving up those particular guys. Like its been said, take some of the other cream from the Rangers farm system or the Cubs can go find a desperate partner somewhere else. The Rangers don’t need to cave into any team’s greediness.

  31. Okay. So I should expect to see all of them on Law’s top 100 coming into the season then right?  Not every prospect pans out. I think you are extremely overvaluing prospects 

  32. commenter3346 4 years ago

    You’re largely overrating your prospects, half of who don’t ever work out.

  33. Fligah 4 years ago

    You’ll see a few.

  34. RangersFan1990 4 years ago

    Well, actually, I expect all 4 of those to be in Law’s top 50 much less 100.

    But you’re right, it will take ATLEAST one probably two to get Garza.

    Something like Olt, Scheppers, Buckel, and Ross might get it done, but I bet Theo would balk at that.

    He will want one of Profar and Perez.

    He’s not getting Profar though, I am willing to bet the Rangers won’t trade him for anyone outside of Felix Hernandez or Clayton Kershaw.

  35. RangersFan1990 4 years ago

    Well, actually, I expect all 4 of those to be in Law’s top 50 much less 100.

    But you’re right, it will take ATLEAST one probably two to get Garza.

    Something like Olt, Scheppers, Buckel, and Ross might get it done, but I bet Theo would balk at that.

    He will want one of Profar and Perez.

    He’s not getting Profar though, I am willing to bet the Rangers won’t trade him for anyone outside of Felix Hernandez or Clayton Kershaw.

  36. Adam Duncan 4 years ago

    Yes, I do. Im not saying three or four here, but it’s almost certainly gonna take one.

  37. Kayrall 4 years ago

    For a successful team, what has higher value, a player that is judged by others to one day compete in the majors, probably at a high level or a player with a track record to compete at a high level?

    (I am a huge advocate for a sustainable farm system in order for success) but sometimes you need to use your prospects as currency.  (In small dosages of course, not implying it should be all 4 in return for Garza)

  38. Top talent as compared to what? Their own individual entire farm system? Okay, fair.

    In terms of “top talent” in MLB, they arent close. If they are then we are looking at the best farm system in baseball hands down. But thats not the case. TX has a very, very good farm system. But lets relax with the hype

  39. Fligah 4 years ago

    Don’t forget Scooter Feldman fully capable of becoming a starter if need be.

  40. The Rangers gave up Smoak! At the time their best prospect!

  41. And are we really comparing Bengie Molina to Matt Garza right now?

  42. Ill give you that. A few of those guys have pretty high ceilings. Buckel in particular has been impressive. But the Rangers are on the verge of losing Wilson right? 

    Holland, Ogando, Lewis, Harrison and Feliz can get you to October, but can they get you to the WS again?

    Im just saying, with 2 years left for Garza, seems like the Rangers sought out the Cubs, not the other way around. In that case, the Cubs are in a position to ask for top players. And right now that is Profar, Beltre, Olt, Ramirez, Perez,

  43. MaineSox 4 years ago

    One, maybe two, of those kind of guys would be fine, but you don’t trade a #2 (who at least pitched like an Ace last year) for three lottery tickets.  You need to get some more “sure thing” talent for someone like Garza; them being so young is a plus as far as potential, but it is a negative when it comes to likelihood of actually reaching that potential.

  44. bacboris 4 years ago

    Can i venture a guess: Nothing.

  45. cub87fan 4 years ago

    If you overvalue your prospects so much the Cubs are not going to even consider a deal.  They don’t have to trade Garza.  They control his rights at a very reasonable price for the next few years.  

  46. mmontice 4 years ago

    Can someone please explain to me how a 22 year old (played most of the year at that age) in high A with above average (not great) offensive statistics is untouchable?  I give him that rating due to offsetting power and BB to 70 Ks in 300 ABs.

    I usually reserve untouchable for the best of the best.  Not a back end top 10 type of player.

  47. MaineSox 4 years ago

    Or Adams for that matter.

  48. True. Hopefully Feliz makes the adjustment nicely and Ogando  doesnt burn out towards the end of the year. But adding Garza into the mix with those 4 would really stabilize the rotation. 

  49. baseball52 4 years ago

    The Yankees also have a very good system and some holes in the rotation.

  50. Fligah 4 years ago

    Well he sucked as a starter because he needed then had microfracture surgery, you saw him pitching well in a relief roll because he was finally healthy.

  51. Ben-Dessa Anderton 4 years ago

    Feldman managed 17 wins not long ago, the injury really crushed him.

  52. Tommy Meyers 4 years ago

    I can see Perez being off limits but not Moreland.  I’m just saying that the Cubs are in no means desperate to move Garza unless they are overwhelmed.  He is a #2 pitcher at his worst and the Cubs would need a great package to move him.  You gotta give up talent to get talent.

  53. Exactly. Mike Adams is an outstanding reliever. Ill put my neck out and say top 5 in baseball. But even his value for 2 years is nothing compared to Garza, a proven #2 for 2 years

  54. cub87fan 4 years ago

    I’d kick the tires on their interest for sure.  I’m not sure Theo is looking to trade Garza.  He said he’d consider it with the right offer, but that could mean he’d ask for a lot.

  55. Who are you a fan of BC?

  56. Ben-Dessa Anderton 4 years ago

    its got them into 2 world series. no titles of course but these guys are young with plenty of talent. holland is #1 worthy, feliz could atleast be a #2 if not one once groomed and of the limit, ogando is worthy of a #2-3 spot, harrison is a solid 3-4, perez projects as a #1. i think the rangers pitching is not nearly as bad as you think. many said it would be terrible without lee, i think it held up well with 3 guys pushing limits they had never reached prior to this season. you stack those guys with that offense and a solid bull pen, your going to win more then you lose.

  57. If you look at Jimenez’ career, you still have to like him for the long term. Even with all his struggles this year he still had an xFIP well under 4.00. The jury is still out on him

  58. Pretty sure he’s a Yankee.

  59. Ben-Dessa Anderton 4 years ago

    Perez to me should be the only guy the Rangers should not deal in terms of prospects….

  60. Ben-Dessa Anderton 4 years ago

    and Perez is slated to be a #1 within the next yr or so…

  61. Id love to go to a game with him. I can picture him being the Fireman Ed of baseball

  62. MaineSox 4 years ago

    The only guy he mentioned who compares at all is Lee who, while he is much better, was only under contract for a couple months when they traded for him.  I’d argue that 2 years of Garza is worth at least as much as 2 months of Lee, and they gave up quite a bit of talent to get Lee.

  63. BDLugz 4 years ago

    Ummm. Profar?

  64. I believe Olt should be off-limits as well.

  65. Kayrall 4 years ago

    He has a career xFIP of 3.84.  I wouldn’t say that well under or near ace potential. Garza’s xFIP IS 4.10 so according to some metrics has not been as effective as Jimenez.

    Although, I just have never been a big believer in him in general so I guess I may be SLIGHTLY biased.

  66. Kayrall 4 years ago

    Oh, and by they way, I’m not implying Garza is a bonefide ACE.  Just throwing a recent example out there.

  67. Yea, but it’s not like he’s going to come up in a year and light it up…it’ll take him a while more than likely.

  68. Whoa lets take it easy. Perez is still very young and has huge upside. But lets see him dominate the minors before we anoint him as the Rangers next ace.

  69. BDLugz 4 years ago

    Garza posted a top 15 WAR in all of baseball in 2011.  He certainly deserves a Jiminez type package for the 2 remaining cost controlled years.

  70. Kayrall 4 years ago

    Garza is more consistent in his career than Jimenez.  His FIP and xFIP are in fact higher consistently than UJ but not by a large margin.  What I personally believe is a big factor in Garza’s value is his consistent WHIP of 1.26 or lower since 2008. 

    They are not perfect matches, but I am still saying, “sometimes you have to spend money to make money, Lou”.

    (Bonus points for anyone for the quote)

  71. That 15-1 run was no fluke. That was like Koufax-like dominance. I am not making comparisons to Jimenez and Koufax, thats outrageous. But the talent is there. 

    Would anyone be surprised if Jimenez posted a low-3 ERA next year with 200+ K’s? I wouldnt

  72. Kayrall 4 years ago

    I 100% agree, espcially that he is leaving COL.  The AL Cent may in fact be the weakest division in baseball next year pending some unforseen FA signings.

  73. Guest 4 years ago

    I like how you think its really easy to get Darvish.

  74. It is, just be the highest bidder. Then negotiate a fair contract.

  75. lol of course we forget our best prospect!

  76. Guest 4 years ago

    Yeah being the highest bidder is kind of like playing the lotto. Submit a number and hope its the highest. So IMO that isnt just easy to win the rights to negotiate with him.

  77. They are that delusional.

  78. RangersFan1990 4 years ago

    None of those guys are in our top 10. You are going to have to include atleast one top 4 guy, sorry. You aren’t overrating our prospects, but you are really overvalueing them. 

  79. RangersFan1990 4 years ago

    None of those guys are in our top 10. You are going to have to include atleast one top 4 guy, sorry. You aren’t overrating our prospects, but you are really overvalueing them. 

  80. baseball52 4 years ago

    So a 3.85 xFIP, 4.2 WAR, and 6.11 K/9 is comparable to 3.19 xFIP, 5.0 WAR, and 8.95 K/9.

    Signs point to Harrison not holding that WAR, where as Garza’s peripherals show a different story.

  81. Guest 4 years ago

    Might want to bid 70 million to be safe.

  82. Especially in Petco Park. It will help them tremendously.

  83. RangersFan1990 4 years ago

    Harrison’s first full year as a starter, and you kinda nit picked stats there.

    But ya, Garza is better more a #2 while Harrison is a #3 albeit a young, cheap, and controllable one.

  84. RangersFan1990 4 years ago

    meh not for an ace, which Garza is not

  85. RangersFan1990 4 years ago

    We just invested 15 mil in Martin, we are not trading him.

    And let me get this straight: You have Olt off limits, who is blocked by Adrian Beltre, but you want to trade Martin who is supposed to be our CF of the future as soon as the beginning of next season.

    Thank God Jon Daniels is my GM and not you

  86. RangersFan1990 4 years ago

    Moreland is very available if thats what CHC want.

    We can sign stop gap 1B like Carlos Pena or Casey Kotchman until we figure that out for all I care.

  87. RangersFan1990 4 years ago

    Moreland is very available if thats what CHC want.

    We can sign stop gap 1B like Carlos Pena or Casey Kotchman until we figure that out for all I care.

  88. RangersFan1990 4 years ago

    This

  89. RangersFan1990 4 years ago

    This

  90. RangersFan1990 4 years ago

    When has Texas made it clear they won’t trade Olt?

    I haven’t heard anything about that other than speculation that it makes sense to trade him (because of Beltre).

  91. RangersFan1990 4 years ago

    When has Texas made it clear they won’t trade Olt?

    I haven’t heard anything about that other than speculation that it makes sense to trade him (because of Beltre).

  92. ctothed 4 years ago

    If you can’t spell Guarantee, yours isn’t worth much.

  93. baseball52 4 years ago

    The large disparity between his actual ERA and xFIP? Highly dependent on good defense.

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