D’Backs May Trade Joe Saunders

7:38pm: A source tells Piecoro that the Red Sox are one of several teams interested in Saunders (Twitter link).

6:42pm: The Diamondbacks' acquisition of Trevor Cahill may lead them to trade lefty Joe Saunders, tweets Nick Piecoro of the Arizona Republic.

Saunders was considered a non-tender candidate earlier this offseason, but the D'Backs apparently offered him a two-year contract earlier this week. Saunders' camp countered Arizona's offer, but nothing yet has come of that, and during a conference call with reporters to discuss the Cahill trade, D'Backs GM Kevin Towers said there's a "significant gap" between the sides.

MLBTR's arbitration projection pegs Saunders for a salary of $8.7MM in 2012. He's logged no fewer than 186 innings in each of the past four seasons but was worth just 6.6 WAR in that span, according to Fangraphs.


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107 Comments on "D’Backs May Trade Joe Saunders"


Jeremy Johnson
3 years 8 months ago

Still cant believe what the D-Backs gave up for Saunders.

Encarnacion's Parrot
3 years 8 months ago

Remember when the Angels tried to use him as a centerpiece to acquire Roy Halladay from the Jays? Good times.

grownice
3 years 8 months ago

 I remember when they thought Aybar and Saunders was an overpay. Face… Palm…

FamousGrouse
3 years 8 months ago

A case study in prospect hugging.

cookmeister
3 years 8 months ago

No, adding Brandon Wood was the overpay face palm X2

3 years 8 months ago

Imagine Haren with Kennedy, Cahill and Hudson.

Bombercules
3 years 8 months ago

Don’t remind me.

3 years 8 months ago

How about Kennedy, Hudson, Cahill, Skaggs, and Corbin?

qudjy1
3 years 8 months ago

Skaggs and Corbin say hi.

James Attwood
3 years 8 months ago

They gave up Haren for Skaggs and Corbin and Saunders was the big league talent was needed to make it a fair trade. So we got a few years of 200 IP left starter at a reasonable price out of Saunders and have a LHP Ace in the wings with Skaggs. Seems fair enough.

3 years 8 months ago

We didn’t give up anything FOR Saunders, we gave up Dan Haren for Tyler Skaggs and Pat Corbin.  Joe Saunders was thrown in just we we’d have a temporary filler and Anaheim was willing to give him up since they were getting an immediate replacement.

Remington
3 years 8 months ago

Saunders is pretty good, why trade him? He could be solid in the back of the rotation for them

James Attwood
3 years 8 months ago

$8.7MM is a LOT to pay a back of the rotation guy, especially for AZ.

tomymogo
3 years 8 months ago

Maybe Angels as a 5th starter

Devern Hansack
3 years 8 months ago

Jerry Dipoto loves him for his winning attitude.

deltarich87
3 years 8 months ago

Dipoto had to say something to appease the masses. At the time Skaggs was the PTBNL so he couldn’t comment on him. Pretty clear he was the prize of the deal and in the end it’s lookin like a great deal for both sides. Angels get a few more great seasons of Haren at a reasonable price(and they have the payroll for it) whereas the Dbacks shed some money to make them more flexible, all the while adding key pieces for their future(mainly Skaggs, but Corbin isn’t a slouch either)

Win/Win for both teams

thebigbangdito
3 years 8 months ago

i can see angels trading for him.. especially since they have players that need to be moved now (abreu/callaspo/etc)

3 years 8 months ago

oh god please no.

thebigbangdito
3 years 8 months ago

why not? yes hes not the best but hes good enough to be a number 5 starter going agasint other teams #5’s….. and that way williams can go minors to develop more.. or even bullpen for long relief…

you also have to remember that he would most likely love to come back to the angels… since when he was originally traded he was crying because he loved the team so much….

3 years 8 months ago

Williams doesn’t need to develop anymore.  He’s not a prospect.  He’s a veteran at this point who fell out of the league and just worked his way back to the majors finally.  He’s continued to pitch well in winter ball this off-season as well and should have no problem holding down the 5th spot this year for the halos.  That being said, I would love to get Saunders back.  Hated to see him go. 

El_Bobo
3 years 8 months ago

I’d like to see Trevor Bell get a shot at the 5th spot. Or at least sometime this year in case someone misses time.

Tyler Jedrzejak
3 years 8 months ago

keep him. 5th man of the rotation. he would do fine

3 years 8 months ago

think bauer is more likely and also cheaper

Tyler Jedrzejak
3 years 8 months ago

keep his as insurance in case he isnt ready?

3 years 8 months ago

Too much money. D’backs already offered to sign him at a reduced price. He declined.

3 years 8 months ago

red sox or cubs could use him

3 years 8 months ago

Yeah but what type of deal would it take to get it. Cubs barely have anything in the minors.

0bsessions
3 years 8 months ago

They don’t NEED anything in the minors for him, Saunders is a non-tender candidate salary dump.

3 years 8 months ago

Who would want him? Oh wait, I know the Orioles.
We need depth and he’s a good citzen. He comes from “Good Stock” meaning the Angels orgaznization. I mean Kevin Gregg got his start out there and look at what kind of job he did for us in 2011.

I Say Duquette is on the phone right now with Towers and saying something like, “Kevin, what exactly is going to get this deal done right now”?

The Mythical One
3 years 8 months ago

You’re darn right the Orioles would and should jump on a chance to get Saunders. A 180-200 innings guy is something we can certainly use. Another lefty, sure, go for it. I just have no idea that we have anything left in the minors or on the current team that the D-backs would want in return and that the Orioles want to part with. You want Reynolds back?

I would think it would take something fairly significant unless the D-backs are looking to drop some salary. Saunders did earn $5.5 million and is arbitration eligible again. He turned in a nice season, so I can see him easily getting another $2 million in arbitration.

thegrayrace
3 years 8 months ago

– Of course the D’backs are looking to drop some salary.

– A non-tender candidate shouldn’t take anything “fairly significant”.

3 years 8 months ago

A non-tender candidate shouldn’t take anything “fairly significant”. Tell Duquette that after his trade for Eveland, he might just tell Towers, I will give you Matt Wieters.

3 years 8 months ago

Hey Mythical One, I am surprised you didn’t sense the sarcasm a little bit from seeing (reading) me from here (MLB Trade Rumors) to the Oriole Insider and to the School of Roch. Especially with me mentioning Kevin Gregg.
Saunders is ok, but I would rather sign Oswalt or trade for Gio Gonzalez. Heck, even Fransisco Liriano would be interesting as another lefty. Just not sure what it would take to do anything of that. 

Howard
3 years 8 months ago

Saunders for Markakis 

BrandonDbacks
3 years 8 months ago

Dbacks should keep him until the trade deadline just in case Skaggs/ Bauer isnt ready for the 5th spot in the rotation.

3 years 8 months ago

miley’s good enough for that

3 years 8 months ago

I miss seeing Joe in Anaheim, but now with CJ, hopefully the Angels have their lefty.

cookmeister
3 years 8 months ago

what is wrong with 2?

AJV19
3 years 8 months ago

Trade him to the A’s for Parker.

3 years 8 months ago

Genius.

StanleyHudson
3 years 8 months ago

Could be just what Cherington is looking for. Inexpensive, would come cheap, and would slide nicely behind Buchholz as a number 4 starter.

mmwatkin
3 years 8 months ago

Tigers are looking for a lefty to fill out their rotation. Not sure how much they are willing to spend, though. 

JacksTigers
3 years 8 months ago

Considering the money he will cost, I wouldn’t do anything more than Andy Oliver.

EightMileCats
3 years 8 months ago

I’m with us on that Jacks.
Wouldn’t give up much for him… Would’ve like Bedard at 5mil tho

LeoAcevedo
3 years 8 months ago

As a met fan i think Parnell for Saunders is a good deal.

3 years 8 months ago

i’d do that

BrandonDbacks
3 years 8 months ago

DEAL! AZ WINS, AZ WINS!!!

Tko11
Tko11
3 years 8 months ago

Wow you sure youre a mets fan? 

SouthPawRyno
3 years 8 months ago

Yes!!!

Bombercules
3 years 8 months ago

I’ll stop my earlier complaining about Cahill since they seemed to have this planned in advance. Getting rid of Saunders and taking on Cahill is a huge improvement, half the salary and likely double, maybe closer to triple, the WAR. I’m sad to see Parker go, but Cahill does have upside as well. This might be the first good thing the front office has done since the draft (assuming Saunders is traded or otherwise does not remain on the team).

James Attwood
3 years 8 months ago

First good thing? Hill/McDonald for KJ wasn’t a good thing? Putz signing and Hernandez deal weren’t good?

With Cahill in the fold Saunders is a goner. It’s just a matter of what the Dbacks get back. I’m suspecting it will be bullpen depth, and seriously talented depth at that. Saunders may not be lights out, but he’s an effective lefty that gobbles up innings.

James Attwood
3 years 8 months ago

Nevermind…I missed the “since the draft” part. My bad. Although I still think the Hill/McDonald for KJ was a good deal.

Bombercules
3 years 8 months ago

Johnson is going to be worth more than Hill next season, the question is just how much more. I don’t really know why we have McDonald, his bat is such a liability that we’re paying him quite a bit just to play short in the 8th/9th innings of games.

James Attwood
3 years 8 months ago

KJ may or may not be better than Hill next year. But the Dbacks need McDonald to give Bloomquist time off. He filled in admirably last year, but showed significant signs of tiring. McDonald gives the Dbacks a spot starter for those days where Bloomquist’s legs aren’t under him. They’re going to need it since Drew is unlikely to be ready for the start of the season.

James Attwood
3 years 8 months ago

With Cahill on board, unless Saunders takes the 2 year contract for less money, he’s so gone. Even if he DOES take the contract, I don’t see him sticking around past the trade deadline mid-season unless there are pitching injuries. The question though is what can the Dbacks get back now that all of MLB knows that they are motivated to move him now as opposed to willing to sit on him?

chris_synan1
3 years 8 months ago

red sox

MAGOO11111
3 years 8 months ago

RED SOX

notsureifsrs
3 years 8 months ago

even if he were non-tendered he’d be near the bottom of my list of scrap heap 5th starters for the red sox. do not want in a trade. at all

start_wearing_purple
start_wearing_purple
3 years 8 months ago

I’d rather him not on the Red Sox but I’m far from calling him near the bottom of the scrap heap. A number 5 pitcher who can provide 200 innings would be an asset. That said, no major prospects and money better be coming back for the trade to make sense.

notsureifsrs
3 years 8 months ago

he can provide 200 innings (of 4.75 FIP ball) to arizona and anaheim. put his left-handed weak sauce in fenway against the lineups of the al east and watch him lackey it up

i’d take almost anyone on the free agent list over him, not to mention internal options

start_wearing_purple
start_wearing_purple
3 years 8 months ago

Hmmm. Probably should have looked at the number of long balls he gives up… All things considered he’s still not the worst #5 pitcher out there when you take into account the Red Sox offense is still arguably the best in the MLB and the trade market for pitchers will be expensive.

Still I wouldn’t give up anyone of consequence and I’d want the Dbacks to throw in a few million.

notsureifsrs
3 years 8 months ago

i concede he’s not the worst pitcher out there. but think about it. 4.78 FIP while pitching in the nl west. the most modest conversion of those numbers to the al east and fenway park is a 5+ FIP

well, that’s exactly what andrew miller provided last year. would you trade something for another one of him right now?

add in the out-of-options presence of felix dobrount and also kyle weiland waiting in the wings and i just don’t see the purpose

start_wearing_purple
start_wearing_purple
3 years 8 months ago

The difference is Miller has no control whatsoever and Saunders has at least average control. Though I do concede to the rest of your points.

Lunchbox45
3 years 8 months ago

he’d probably be the worst 5th starter on a playoff contender though

CircusFresh
3 years 8 months ago

“…watch him lackey it up.” 

Pure Awesomeness.   Much respect for that line.

Jim McGrath
3 years 8 months ago

We have Wake who is begging to come back that can give the Sox 150-200 inns. for $1 M and a sub 5 ERA. In addition they have a few Min. League pitchers that could do the same–I say no to Saunders.

3 years 8 months ago

We’d take him in Seattle. Help be a nice innings eater for this year to fill out the back end of the rotation.

MAGOO11111
3 years 8 months ago

RED SOX ARE ALL OVER HIM

JonBoyd
3 years 8 months ago

Maybe Dbacks will get Bard from BoSox

start_wearing_purple
start_wearing_purple
3 years 8 months ago

Don’t bet on it unless something bigger is coming to the Sox.

3 years 8 months ago

I would love to see that happening, but highly doubt it. Maybe throw in there Hernandez or JJ plus Saunders and maybe Miley?

3 years 8 months ago

I would love to see that happening, but highly doubt it. Maybe throw in there Hernandez or JJ plus Saunders and maybe Miley?