Ryan Madson, Reds In Serious Talks?

6:42pm: A source with the Reds downplayed the team's interest in Madson, according to John Fay of The Cincinnati Enquirer (on Twitter). MLB.com's Mark Sheldon hears that Cincinnati is unlikely to get serious about the righty unless he drops his asking price.

5:16pm: Ryan Madson and the Reds are in serious talks about a new contract, Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com reports. Cincinnati GM Walt Jocketty maintains interest in Francisco Cordero and is eyeing Kerry Wood as a possible alternative.

The Marlins and Rangers have ‘thought’ about Madson and the Phillies recently checked back in on him, Heyman tweets. However, a deal with Philadelphia seems unlikely at this point, since the Phillies already signed closer Jonathan Papelbon. The Yankees aren’t interested, tweets Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports.

Angels GM Jerry Dipoto said last week that the Angels are "very, very unlikely" to sign Madson or another free agent closer. Dipoto said today that the Angels are “looking to create depth” in the bullpen, MLB.com’s Alden Gonzalez reports.


96 Responses to Ryan Madson, Reds In Serious Talks? Leave a Reply

  1. TophersReds 3 years ago

    YES. Coco out, Madson in, please.

    • bonds2425 3 years ago

      what if their serious talks weren’t even about baseball

      • “Ryan, do you believe in God?”

        • TophersReds 3 years ago

          Ryan: Maybe.
          Reds: Well, habe a nice day! Good luck!
          Ryan: Lol you too.

          • Lunchbox45 3 years ago

             killed it

          • TophersReds 3 years ago

            :(. I am sorry, I shall go sit in my room watching spanish soap operas until I teach myself to do better. DAMNIT DAMNIT DAMINT.

      • diesel2410 3 years ago

        My sources say that Jocketty got Madson’s wife pregnant

      • diesel2410 3 years ago

        My sources say that Jocketty got Madson’s wife pregnant

      • Rangersfan32 3 years ago

        About Madson’s current relationship status?

  2. Depending on what they do with Chapman, a backend bullpen of Chapman, Marshall and Madson would be pretty good.

    Waiting on $ figures though…

    • TophersReds 3 years ago

      Along with Masset when he’s good. He is dirty when he settles down. He never really caught fire for more than a month last year, but in 2010 he had something around a low to mid 1 ERA for the reast of the year after his terrible month of April. Ondrusek was also great during the first half of last year, but burned out after the All Star Break.

  3. CaseyBlakeDeWitt 3 years ago

    What reason could the Yankees have for being interested? They already have a killer back-end of the bullpen with Mo, Robertson, and Soriano.

  4. The Reds are beginning to scare me…

    • TophersReds 3 years ago

      Well, they are all in.

      • bonds2425 3 years ago

        they’d have to fold if the CARDS went all in. eh? *few elbow bumps* 😉

        • Lastings 3 years ago

          Haha, winky face…this is all I think about when I see that…

      • Yeah, might as well with Votto likely leaving. I still like STL’s chances.

        • TophersReds 3 years ago

          As do I. I see the division (if Madson doesn’t get signed) with:

          1A. Cardinals (obvious reasons)
          1B. Reds (mostly obvious reasons, Mat Latos/Marshall trade put them slightly in front of Brewers in my mind since they are likely losing Fielder)
          2. Brewers (mainly because of the likely Braun 50 game suspension/losing Fielder)
          4. Pirates (could be close to .500? maybe.)
          5. Cubs (completely rebuilding)
          6. Astros (completely rebuilding, last year in the NLC :(, there goes all those easy Wins during their rebuilding time next year)

  5. joeybw 3 years ago

    I don’t want to upset Red fans but this might have a lot to do with Corderos “soft deadline” scare him into signing for less.

    • No, the market for Madson has disappeared enough to where the Reds can afford him.  As soon as the Red Sox traded for Bailey, and the Angels spent all their cash, I had a strong feeling the Reds would end up with Madson.  Where else can he close on a contending team?  There aren’t any options left besides the Reds, and the Reds have made it pretty clear they’re going all in on 2012.

      • joeybw 3 years ago

        All the luck to ya. I would mind if the Rays had any money but since we don’t, go for it, Reds!

        • TophersReds 3 years ago

          I wouldn’t mind seeing the Rays sign him either. If I had to be a second team to be a fan of, it would have to be the Rays. The Reds and Rays are in the same boat when it comes to competiting with teams in bigger markets with more payroll (And I understand that the Rays have it much tougher when it comes to payroll differences than the Reds, but the Reds are also competiting with at least $20-25M less than the Cards/Brewers). The Reds have recently taken the approach of the Rays in developing prospects, which is starting to pay off. Best of luck to the Rays again this year. I enjoy watching the small market clubs compete and win against the bigger market clubs.

      • pmc765 3 years ago

        Dream on. It’s only January 10. Boras isn’t going to give away his prized closer cheap….at least not yet.

        I agree this is a bluff to bring Cordero to the table at the Reds’ price. One year plus a team option will be plenty. Closers will abound next year if needed.

        • TophersReds 3 years ago

          Who said that we were going to sign him cheap? The Reds do have $6-12M they can spend if they choose, especially in this All In 2 year period while Votto is still in Cincy.

          • pmc765 3 years ago

            That’s objectively reasonable, but won’t appeal to Boras in my opinion. It’s too early in January.

            The Reds can get most of their ninth inning leads into the clubhouse with Cordero. There’s no need to go nuts and solve Boras’s problems for him.

          • TophersReds 3 years ago

            But Cordero would cost us a draft pick, and Boras is running out of teams that want AND can afford Madson. If they Angels are out, the Reds are the most logical choice.

          • pmc765 3 years ago

            Scott Boras doesn’t think like you and I might. His brinksmanship has resulted in some stunning paydays for his clients, and has also landed more than one client in the ditch. He who hires Boras signs up to ride the rapids and hope for the best.

            I agree with you that logically Madson’s prospects have plummeted after the Phillies turned on a dime and grabbed Papelbon. But would he take 1 year $12M from the Reds? Maybe in Spring Training, but not now.

            I don’t understand why signing Cordero costs the Reds a draft pick. He was their player in the first place. Am I missing something?

          • the Reds get a supplemental pick if Cordero signs elsewhere. He was a modified Type B under the new CBA

          • the Reds get a supplemental pick if Cordero signs elsewhere. He was a modified Type B under the new CBA

          • TophersReds 3 years ago

            He was a modified Type A free agent under the new CBA, which means the Reds didn’t have to offer him (or Ramon Hernandez) arbitration to get a supplamental pick in the 2012 draft. By signing Coco, we would lose that draft pick and wouldn’t get it back with how supplamental draft picks are gained under the the new CBA, because we would have to offer him like $12M and have him decline to get that pick for 2013 if we offered him arbitration after the 2012 season if he came back for the 2012 season. I hope this makes sense because it’s kind of confusing.

          • pmc765 3 years ago

            Now I get it. Let somebody else, anybody else, sign him and the Reds stockpile a pick.

            But the value of that pick is lost or compromised if to get it the franchise overpays Madson. A supplemental draft pick is worth something, but the odds of the player ripening into a major league asset is no better than 50-50.

          • TophersReds 3 years ago

            True. But a top 50 pick in the draft can also turn out to be great. Almost every team is made of 2nd-6th rounders (estimation), not first. You can’t pass up on a nice, early promising draft pick with how overpaid players are nowadays. Top 50 draft picks tend to be promising. And I hate to toot this horn again, but Pujols was drafted in the  13th round.  

    • TophersReds 3 years ago

      You have to remember, though. Cordero is worth a top 50 draft pick to us. So, paying a little extra for the younger closer in Madson + Draft pick is likely worth more than aging Cordero for less money + no draft pick. The draft pick is particularly key after trading away all the guys they did from the minors for Marshall and Latos.

      Also, it would be hard to scare Coco even lower. Their 2 year deal offered at the end of the 2011 season that he declined is already of the table. Jocketty said that it’s likely a 1 year deal if Coco comes back, and it would suprise me if it was for more than $5M with how dry the Closer market is.

  6. Jennifer Campbell 3 years ago

    I’m thinking that Cordero must have given them his answer if they are in “serious” negotiations with Madson. I hope they do sign him, because he is younger than Coco and he will be a better option for them if they want to sign for a longer term I think.

  7. Do the Reds have the money to sign him?
    They have a lot of deferred contracts, which I am not exactly a huge fan of, I can’t stand debt! Anyway, if the Reds sign him, it means the Orioles could have signed and afforded him ! They have exactly the same fan base believe it or not!
    Now, grant it the Reds are a much better team, still they have the exact same fan base level.

    So, Duquette and Angelos if you read this on MLB TR’s (highly doubtful, still), what would your excuse for not being able to sign Madson?

    • TophersReds 3 years ago

      The Reds have one of the highest TV ratings in baseball (an article a few weeks ago said they were Top 5 in MLB I believe). They just don’t have the 3M fans at the game a year because they are a small market club. Fans are very loyal, there just isn’t as many general fans to attend the games every day. Baltimore is a larger market and had lower attendence, which might offset when it comes to revenue because of TV money. I’m sure Baltimore is just choosing not to sign him because they aren’t in the right situation right now when it comes to competiting for the whole sha-bang.

  8. No Cordero equals a draft pick the Reds NEED.. A WIN
    Madson in our bullpen equals a WIN.. DO IT WALT.. The Reds will have the 3 M’s closing games… Masset, Marshall and Madson.. Our BP will be dangerous. Arredondo, Bray, Ondrusek, LeCure with those 3.. Plus we have Brackman and Judy who will surprise people this year..

  9. jwick18 3 years ago

    if the angels are not going to go after madison and have a log jam in the outfield, would a trumbo for arodys trade work with the braves? his value will drop off in the pen since craig and johnny have the prime spots locked down

  10. Mikeschoolerforever 3 years ago

    Scotty will ruin this deal for Madson too!

    • joeybw 3 years ago

      As the pen is about to hit the paper, Boras pulls it away and says “if you really wanted him, you would give him his 4 years, now if you’ll excuse me, I gotta go marry Prince Fielder”

      • Mikeschoolerforever 3 years ago

        I wonder how many pages Madson’s book contain’s? Did Scotty go all out and fill it up enough to be a short novel or just a children’s book?

        • joeybw 3 years ago

          It just lists in detail all the reasons Madson is better than Mariano Rivera.

          • TophersReds 3 years ago

            And how he reportidly was clocked by a mystery team  throwing 106MPH fastball in a bullpen session, even faster than Chapman’s.

          • Mikeschoolerforever 3 years ago

            And Madson wears a cape and tights when he’s not saving the game of baseball

          • I heard he likes to save kittens from burning buildings as pre- warm up, warm ups.

          • TophersReds 3 years ago

            This never gets old. We really need to have a page dedicated to these jokes.

      • harmony55 3 years ago

        Or a team would back out on an all-but-agreed-upon deal at the last second.

        It works both ways.

      • TophersReds 3 years ago

        Boras: Didn’t I mention? This contract also states that you must sign Fielder to a 10 year, $250M contract if you sign this contract to pick up Madson.

  11. rsanchez1 3 years ago

    The Marlins would have to plug Madson in as a setup guy, since they already have Bell. I would discount the rumor based on that, though. Steve Cishek can be the 8th inning guy for way cheaper.

  12. Jacob Phillips 3 years ago

    Bray, Marshall and Madson…that’s almost like making it a 6 inning game. 

  13. Beavis De Beppo 3 years ago

    Wowee.  Madson would make this bullpen pretty damn good.  With Cueto, Latos, and Arroyo pitching into the 7th on a consistent basis….damn!   Now watch,… Votto, Phillips, and Bruce will break their legs or something stupid like that.  Seriously, though.  Why wouldn’t Madson go for a one year deal at $7MM or $8MM if not 2 for $12MM?  With a good chance to win a ring?  At 32 years old, he can still make good money as a FA in a year or two.  I’d take a piece of that!

  14. BigRedOne 3 years ago

    I’m still trying to figure out why the Reds traded 3 players for 1 season of Sean Marshall

    • joeybw 3 years ago

      They traded a back end SP in Wood, a speed only guy in Sa…something and I can’t even remember the 3rd guy. I know Marshall is just a RP but that deal was fine. Now the Rizzo deal….Theo has fixed the Cubs, that’s for sure. Fixed the future, anyway.

      • Jacob Phillips 3 years ago

        FYI…Sappelt was in no way a “speed only” guy. Do some research, man. It blows my mind that, number 1, you can’t even remember the kid’s name yet you feel you can make that generalization and number 2, that in the age of the Internet you can pull up stats from EVERY at-bat he’s ever had…yet you decide to go on what you hear, not what the stats say.

      • nathanalext 3 years ago

        Kid’s name is Ronald Torreyes. A midget of a ballplayer, but outproduces his size. Look up his numbers from last year.

  15. joeybw 3 years ago

    I feel the pain, Reds fans. Rumors are evil, I don’t buy any Rays rumors. I just get happy when there is a press conference.

  16. goredsgo 3 years ago

    what a buzzkill

  17. slasher016 3 years ago

    This is a fabricated interest developed by Boras to try to get more suitors.

  18. Bschube34 3 years ago

    smokescreen

  19. Ryan The Braves Fan For Life 3 years ago

    Good fit

  20. monroe_says 3 years ago

    One would like to think the Reds learned their lesson about overpaying for relievers with CoCo.

  21. TophersReds 3 years ago

    Haha. I like how when somebody doesn’t completely confirm the rumor after a update the title turns from a statement to the statement with a “?” at the end.

  22. Never trust anything Heyman says when he is discussing a Boras client.  He always pumps up Boras clients.  It is almost like he is on Boras’s payroll.

  23. Franl Edwardo 3 years ago

    Bad decision, if true, for the reds…depending on price.  They just freed themselves of a huge closer salary, why would they turn around and commit more to another.  Teams have proven time and again their are cheap alternatives if they do their homework.

    They need a right handed bat to protect Votto and give Bruce a cushion.

    • Yeah cause there are so many outfield or shortstop bats out there right now left.   Please…

  24. PushDown 3 years ago

    LOL I’m sure most teams would go after a solid bullpen arm like Madson as long as the price comes down. These news reports are amusing but getting a little redundant. I sure hope Madson or Boras realizes that no team is bidding against themselves, which is usually what happens to most of Boras’ clients, and lower their asking price. 

  25. So after all that discussion, I was right the Red cannot afford him.
    Jon Heyman, you are so full of bologna!

  26. Past three years the Reds have outdrawn the Orioles per game by an average of only 1,420 per game.

    In 2010 your playoff season, the Great America Park attendance was shockingly not all that great.

    Anyway, if the Orioles ever decided to spend on “Name” Free agents, I have to believe the fans would start making their way to OPACY.

    I don’t know why the Reds have been in the bottom half with regards to attendance along with the O’s. That’s where I am getting it.

  27. TophersReds 3 years ago

    Attendence is based on market size. Cincinnati = Small Market. The Reds have also been dissapointing before 2010, so the fans were spending on the up-and-up Bengals when they were winning with Palmer, instead of spending on the Reds. The attendence is just now starting to turn around, but they are still a small market, hence less people in the city, hence less people at the ballpark.  

  28. Jacob Phillips 3 years ago

    I’ve always thought that a lot of the reason the Reds don’t have the attendance of a lot of clubs yet pull in the TV ratings is because of the spread of their fan base. Reds fans cover the majority of Kentucky (other than a few in the southern part of the state who pull for the Braves…we don’t claim them), along with the majority of Indiana and the entire southern half of Ohio. People can’t afford to drive 2-3 hours regularly to attend games, and there’s no reason to when they can just watch on FSO.

  29. TophersReds 3 years ago

    Disagree. Masset is a hot and cold player, just like Jay Bruce. When he is good he is good (look at Masset’s May 2010-September 2010, look at Bruce’s May 2011, look at Bruce’s every other 2011 month). So, I ask you the question. Would you only put Bruce in if we are winning by 6?

  30. TophersReds 3 years ago

    It was Top 5 in like TV ratings based on market size. It came out right after Pujols signed and there was talk of the Angels big TV deal. It would take me a bit to find it, but it was on the Cincy Enquirer’s official website (by John Fay I think? I’m not sure). You could probably find it if you looked through the history.

  31. TophersReds 3 years ago

    Yeah, that’s why I said might. It brings it closer to even though when comparing markets to revenue, but probably not close enough. I think Baltimore isn’t signing him because they don’t have the right situation to compete in the AL East right now.

  32. TophersReds 3 years ago

    Yeah, that’s why I said might. It brings it closer to even though when comparing markets to revenue, but probably not close enough. I think Baltimore isn’t signing him because they don’t have the right situation to compete in the AL East right now.

  33. TophersReds 3 years ago

    They can, though. Bruce grounding into a douple play with the bases loaded without anybody scoring is just as bad as Masst giving up 2 runs, at least in my opinion.

  34. your comment doesn’t really have much to do with anything discussed here, and they did win 97 games with pretty much the same rotation as they have now.

  35. TophersReds 3 years ago

    Scotty “Grandpa” Rolen.

  36. TophersReds 3 years ago

    Scotty “Grandpa” Rolen.

  37. CC 3 years ago

    Griffey brought in fans
    Wait til opening day to see what Chapman does

  38. brstreet9 3 years ago

    I think 1,500 per game is about what the Expos averaged in their final year in Montreal.

  39. TophersReds 3 years ago

    Err. I believe it does have something to do with the discussion…I mean it is a reply to somebody talking about why the Yankees wouldn’t need him. I see it is your first comment and all, maybe take a chill pill?

    P.S. We all already know how great the Yankees are…give us our little bit of thread time maybe? please…ok. Nevermind.

  40. I like Scott Rolen but he really needs to take the back seat this year. Let him tutor and what ever else Miguel Cairo does when he is not playing.

  41. TophersReds 3 years ago

    I think Rolen has one more average to slightly above average season left in him, but Francisco needs to be given the chance. He looked very good at the end of last year.

  42. No, it doesn’t. The Yankees have some question marks in their rotation, but the best back end bullpen in baseball. So, why would they need to add him? How does adding Madson make the Yankees a better team? Madson would be the 7th inning guy, and if Soriano stays healthy, he’d be a mop up reliever. It has nothing to do with this discussion.

  43. was i just told to take a chill pill?  how did i end up back in 1994?  and, when the topic being discussed is a free agent reliever and someone comments on a team’s rotation – it really doesn’t have anything to do with what’s being discussed – just another hater taking unprovoked shots at the yankees because he’s jealous.

    and you guys can have as much “thread time” (seriously, go outside, it’s not too dangerous out there) as you’d like, but if someone is trying to randomly criticize the yankees out of nowhere, don’t get so defensive when yankees fans say something.

  44. bighiggy 3 years ago

    thats interesting seeing as how the cards beat the best the american league had to offer!

  45. TophersReds 3 years ago

    When did we say that? Oh, so you are basically referring to how we don’t have payrolls near the luxery tax (except the Jays) in our division? Sorry we can’t all be as rich as everybody in the AL East.

  46. nathanalext 3 years ago

    The Latos trade. It pretty much wiped out their top prospects.

    Phillips and Votto are possibly gone within the next two years, so, most people believe that that is their “window”

  47. Welcome back to earth… wow, If your a Reds fan you sure don’t show it.  If Madson deal goes through Reds have a really good pitching staff. especially the bullpen.

  48. TophersReds 3 years ago

    *Facepalm*

    So, I am just making sure I am reading this right…Did you tell me to stop criticizing the Yankees and to go outside? I didn’t insult the Yankees, and you’re doing the same thing I am in reading MLBTR…so why am I being told to go outside when you’re doing the same thing (hypocritical)? It looks like you’re getting a lot more defensive than I am, if I do say so myself.

    It. Was. SARCASM. Good grief.

  49. TophersReds 3 years ago

    Yes, yes he does. He agreed to defer some of his contract after 2010. I may not know everything about every single team, but I am 99.999% sure that this is true. He did it on his current contract, while Arroyo did it on the contract he signed after the 2010 season.

  50. That’s 1500 more than there standard average attendance over the previous year. 

  51. Dusty has already said at Redsfest that Fransisco will get a good bump up in playing time over last season and years past.  I am thinking the split will be about this assuming both are healthy.

    60 percent Rolen
    40 percent Frnasisco

  52. If Chapman is in the rotation he won’t be pitching opening day.  Most likely will be the number 5 guy.  to limit his innings this year so he does not throw out his arm.  They did this the past 2 seasons with Mike Leake.

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