Extension Updates: Zimmerman, Bourn, Phillips

Extension season generally continues well into Spring Training and the regular season. For example, teams and players agreed on nine extensions between this date last year and the end of April. Let's check in on some ongoing extension talks:

  • Ryan Zimmerman said he doesn't want to discuss a new extension after this Friday, according to Bill Ladson of MLB.com. Zimmerman had already set the official start of Spring Training as a soft deadline for talks, since he doesn't want to let contract talks become a distraction. Agent Brodie Van Wagenen was in Nationals camp today.
  • Michael Bourn says the Braves haven't approached him about an extension so far, according to David O'Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution (Twitter link). Bourn will earn $4.4MM in 2012 and hit free agency after the season unless the Braves lock him up.
  • Brandon Phillips said he's not looking for "Prince Fielder money" in extension talks with the Reds, according to John Fay of the Cincinnati Enquirer. "I just want what other second baseman got," he said. "I want to be in my city." Phillips is not under contract beyond 2012.
  • Check out MLBTR's Extension Tracker for information on previous deals.


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36 Comments on "Extension Updates: Zimmerman, Bourn, Phillips"


johnsilver
3 years 6 months ago

Atlanta should be very careful in getting wild with any extension with Bourne. His entire game is his legs.. he is a younger version of Crisp, with less power.. More of an old style Omar Moreno type, who slashes at the ball and runs.. A successful Joey “Gaspipe” Gathright who makes enough contact to be able to use his legs.

Can see them looking to maybe get him under contract for 2-3 years, but not for anything significantly over the 4.5m he is already making.

This is a guy that when his speed slips even some, everything about his game goes down and not trying to hammer on Brave fans here, just trying to point out what to beware of.. This isn’t a Timmy Raines, CoCo Crisp type, even a Crawford type who all have/had some XBH power and the ability to drive the ball when the situation presented itself.

rundmc1981
3 years 6 months ago

Agreed. His play this season will be indicative of his future in ATL. I can see them offering him a 4-year deal with a good season. Matt Lipka’s season should show them what they have as a future replacement, which could be indicative of the years. 

We’ll have the money, and based on our lack of OF farm depth, we need to re-sign him, especially if he’s one of the league leaders in SBs again, fielding at a high level, and getting on base like much of last year. We haven’t had that for quite awhile. 

jwick18
3 years 6 months ago

bourn is due to make almost 7 mil this coming season. or atleast i thought he was

johnsilver
3 years 6 months ago

Thanks.. Looked and he just signed a 6.85m deal for his 6th and walk year.

At that figure.. Not sure would not let him see what the market would bring, but maybe go a couple of years, nearly 7m is an awful lot for a glove and speed.

3 years 6 months ago

Is $7MM a lot for 4-5 WAR?? Because that’s what Bourn’s been worth the last three years…

-C

johnsilver
3 years 6 months ago

I would be worried he can keep it up for reasons described in initial post.. His legs are his only attribute.. He’ll be 30YO and brings nothing to the table except his legs..

Raines, Crawford, even Crisp bring some XBH ability, or did along with a slick globe.. Even Ricky Henderson did as a speed burner.. Omar Moreno would be an example of Bourne and I am not trying to dice on the guy here..

Just be careful about extending him to far.. Maybe let the market set his pace, No Jaun Pierre type deal here.. remember him? Look about the same? He ended up as a 4th OF for the LAD after getting a similar deal and was not moveable after getting the same type contract everyone here seems to want.

Ferrariman
3 years 6 months ago

no its not.  7mil is a great price for GG defense and 60 stolen bases at a good SB% with a .280+ average.

jwick18
3 years 6 months ago

if they want to keep him they need to get it done now. cause with boras as his agent he will get him more than atlanta is willing to pay. its been so long since we have had a good leadoff man I would him to stick around.

1980CHAMPS
3 years 6 months ago

I’m guessing Phillips is looking for a 6 year, 84-96 million dollar deal.

Jordan King
3 years 6 months ago

Then he will likely be told to take a hike. Pains me to say that, but there is no way the Reds pony up that type of coin.

eyeglass1
3 years 6 months ago

I could see Brandon “settling” for 14 mil a year at 4 years. I think he really wants to stick with one team like Barry Larkin (his idol). But, as they say, if a big dollar roller throws out more years, etc, then bye-bye whoville.

jhfdssdaf
3 years 6 months ago

Cot’s has Micheal Bourn at $6.845 million for 2012.

3 years 6 months ago

 So, Phillips wants Uggly money, then?   12.4 mil
 12.4 x 5 = 62 mil
12.4 x 8 = 99.2 mil

eyeglass1
3 years 6 months ago

Phillips means much more to a team then Uggla with his all or nothing attitude at the plate. And, I think Phillips is probably the most well-rounded 2B in the NL.

rundmc1981
3 years 6 months ago

All or nothing attitude at the plate? Just because Uggla isn’t a contact hitter doesn’t mean it has anything to do with his attitude. Guy is a gamer, just like Phillips. They’re different types of players. Phillips is much better defensively and is reliable at setting the table for Votto to clear it. Uggla provides power to a team in desperate need of it. He’s pure hustle and has forearms Popeye would kill for. While he might not be the team’s absolute leader, I really don’t know what the ATL offense would do without him.

eyeglass1
3 years 6 months ago

Derek, I like your reply. I have a better understanding of the dude now. Hustle, honestly, Phillips has 95% of the time but not all the time like Uggla. Not trying to hate on Uggla, but I think Phillips may get a little more then Uggla did. 

3 years 6 months ago

Well-rounded, sure, but the total value of their contributions are pretty similar. Uggla’s about a year older, and Phillips has been ~2 fWAR more valuable since they’ve become regulars.

Phillips is clearly inferior at the bat, Uggla very inferior with the glove.  But they amount to about the same amount of production.

-C

eyeglass1
3 years 6 months ago

Whoa. I wouldn’t call him inferior at all. Just a different type of player for a different part of the lineup. 

3 years 6 months ago

Inferior doesn’t mean bad. Uggla’s a better hitter.

All the statistics, save batting average, support that. OBP, SLG, ISO, wOBA, wRC+, etc. are all in Uggla’s favor.

-C

3 years 6 months ago

To be fair, I don’t think Prince Fielder was even expecting Prince Fielder money at the amount he got.

AmericanMovieFan
3 years 6 months ago

I think Phillips is looking for 6 years/$75-90MM

LUWahooNatFan
3 years 6 months ago

Atlanta’s loss will be D.C.’s gain

Bourn is going to look nice in a Nationals uni next year

Brad426
3 years 6 months ago

 Yep, that will be one highly overpaid outfield (and that even takes into account one guy will be at the league minimum).

$3513744
3 years 6 months ago

Have you ever negotiated such a high stakes contract?  I’d imagine there’s quite a bit of emotion over it, especially in situations where a player feels like the offer is a slap in the face.  Then what?  Are they supposed to keep playing everyday like it didn’t happen?  Look, I’m not saying that all of them are sincere when they do this, because I’m sure plenty do it for negotiation power, but the reasoning is pretty sound.  Keep the focus on the field where it should be, and when it should be.  There’s really no reason to negotiate if you don’t have to, since there’s plenty of time to do it before and after the season.

eyeglass1
3 years 6 months ago

If they can’t sign him, then look for a trade. I think you would get a decent little haul for him, but he would be a TYPE A if traded.. I think. 

eyeglass1
3 years 6 months ago

Stop selling your damn website. It’s about as bad as a robo-troll selling imitation Nikes. 

notsureifsrs
3 years 6 months ago

my guess is MLBTR has made peace with the fact that it can never satisfy people who are overwhelmed by the task of scrolling headlines and reading only those stories that interest them

lefty177
3 years 6 months ago

So basically you want this website to stop writing things except when someone gets traded or signed, then what would we comment on ever?

rickjimbo
3 years 6 months ago

Hey man half the time they tell their agent what they are looking for and don’t get involved again until they have to sign on the dotted line. I imagine agents can do at least that much (and should be) for the cut they make.

jhfdssdaf
3 years 6 months ago

There is no such thing as Type A in the new CBA.  The team must offer him a one year deal worth the average of the top 100 salaries, which is somewhere north of 12 million on a one year deal.  He is not likely to sign such a deal, since I think he can get better, but it isn’t the same as “type A” used to be.

bledrules
3 years 6 months ago

If he wants that much def let him go

Jason_F
3 years 6 months ago

Right, but if he declines that offer, don’t the Reds get some sort of compensation pick?

notsureifsrs
3 years 6 months ago

the reds do, yes. but if he is traded, the team that acquired him could not receive compensation if he left

Jason_F
3 years 6 months ago

So, does this apply to any player in the final year of his contract? What about players with declined options? Sorry for all of the questions, but I definitely haven’t caught up on the new compensation rules and would like to know how they are affecting the trade market for the player in question.

notsureifsrs
3 years 6 months ago

for any unrestricted free agent to qualify for compensation, he must have been with the offering team for the entire preceding season

definitely changes the calculus for contenders at the deadline

Jason_F
3 years 6 months ago

Thanks!