Poll: Which Addition Makes Most Sense For Pirates?

The Pirates enter the All-Star break atop the Central Division with a 48-37 record and a legitimate opportunity to remain competitive in the second half. Pittsburgh, led by the MVP-esque play of Andrew McCutchen and strong pitching from its starting rotation, plans to be a buyer with the trade deadline quickly approaching.

As mentioned on MLBTR earlier today, the Pirates have expressed interest in Padres outfielder Carlos Quentin and Diamondbacks outfielder Justin Upton, among others. MLBTR's Zach Links suggests acquiring Quentin would require Pittsburgh to part with a lesser package of prospects whereas adding Upton to its outfield would demand a series of quality prospects given his ability and that he is under team control through 2015.

The question for the Pirates becomes whether they will take a conservative approach at the trade deadline like last season or go all in by making a splash at the end of the month with a star player like Upton. 


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116 Comments on "Poll: Which Addition Makes Most Sense For Pirates?"


Tacho Bill
3 years 1 month ago

Headley over Upton by a nose, and only because he provides more versatility as far as positions he can play. Both will cost quite a bit in return, of course.

Cankersly
3 years 1 month ago

 Headley can only play 3B really. He was horrible in LF. He is an excellent third baseman though.

3 years 1 month ago

Upton, helps now and in the future but most costly,.

if they wanna take a risk go for carlos q. im rooting for the pirates as a dodgers fan.

Kevin Seymour
3 years 1 month ago

Greinke

3 years 1 month ago

They need someone to replace Bedard since he is fading fast

Halvy Buckets
3 years 1 month ago

I know why these types of polls are put on sites, but I don’t care for them.  Of course I want Upton of all the options, but not if I have to give up Cole, Marte and Owens as a jumping off point.

To me the more logical addition is Victorino.  He should be had for a lot less than either Quentin or Upton.  With Marte coming up after the break we don’t need a huge bat, just an upgrade.  I would have no issue giving up a Justin Wilson or a Jeff Locke for Victorino.

 

Pete90
3 years 1 month ago

Do you want Upton for free then? You have to be realistic.

3 years 1 month ago

I don’t think it is wanting him for free, but rather not wanting to give up prospects who are ML ready. I’m guessing most Pirates fans would be far more inclined to part with Tallion and Bell over Cole and Marte. 

Jonathan Sisk
3 years 1 month ago

not sure that i agree that taillon is that far behind cole… pirates are being slow with him but he’s pretty advanced himself

squeper
3 years 1 month ago

And he’s only 19.  I think that Marte *could* be an Upton (he’s adapted immediately at every level he’s played at) and you want to throw in two other studs?  No thanks.  We’ll take our chances.

3 years 1 month ago

Yeah Marte isn’t Upton. He’s got some nice potential, but not on the same level as Justin Upton. 

Jonathan Sisk
3 years 1 month ago

i can see marte having an upton ceiling… if you take out the crazy 2011 numbers they aren’t that unattainable

3 years 1 month ago

Oh I agree Tallion is pretty advanced, but Cole is more so, and a safer bet sooner.

Jonathan Sisk
3 years 1 month ago

i disagree… taillon has better control and command of his fastball and a better breaking ball, thus far cole has gotten by on the fact that guys can’t catch up to his fastball and lower level players don’t have plate discipline so they swing at the balls a foot off the plate… won’t work in the big leagues, i see cole as having an aj burnett ceiling ( control all over the place but good enough stuff to harness it and be serviceable most years ) and his floor as a set up man in the mold of farnsworth ( flame thrower with control issues that keep him from closing ) … taillon has a justin verlander ceiling and a mid rotation starter floor, in any other organization taillon would be in AA and in some he would be in AAA, the pirates have one of the slower systems

szielinski
3 years 1 month ago

 ” I would have no issue giving up a Justin Wilson or a Jeff Locke for Victorino.”

Locke is OK. The Pirates need to keep Wilson.

Fols
3 years 1 month ago

Willingham would be great for the Pirates… But my Twins will keep him!

3 years 1 month ago

Willingham would make the most sense for Pittsburgh as he won’t cost nearly as much as Upton, and won’t be a FA after the season like Quentin. Twins are crazy though if they hang on to Willingham if they get a fair offer. 

Fols
3 years 1 month ago

He is the only Twin besides Plouffe who can hit it out of Target Field. We havent had a RH power bat in years. Has become a big fan favorite in Minny and has a 3yr/21M deal. Hitting 270 career high. Cuddyer and his big money has like 12 dongs

3 years 1 month ago

Still no reason to keep Willingham, they are a couple years away from contending again, and he’s probably their best trade chip. 

Jonathan Sisk
3 years 1 month ago

in the age of free agency you’re always two checks and  12 zeroes away from contending, they could contend next year pretty easily if they are healthy and fill a couple holes in the rotation

3 years 1 month ago

By a couple you mean 5 ? The Twins have very little immediate help in their minors, particularly with their pitching. They really need to add three starters, but the problem is they don’t need back of the rotation guys, they need front of the rotation guys. They also need to add at least 1-2 bats and a couple guys at the back of their pen. They simply can’t do that all in free agency. They should look to trade Willingham and Span (as well as a few other lesser guys) and restock that system. 

Jonathan Sisk
3 years 1 month ago

that’s pretty extreme… their lineup is solid with willingham, span, morneau, mauer, doumit making up the meat of it plus revere will get better… they don’t need 3 starters through free agency they just need their bottom of the rotation guys to be consistent and healthy, they need one or two starters and if liriano is back they have a near ace… just because a team is losing games doesn’t mean they need to overhaul the roster minor tweaks fix a lot of issues

Fols
3 years 1 month ago

I voted Victorino too

Fols
3 years 1 month ago

They can get Liriano cheap… He might screw up the stretch drive tho. lol

3 years 1 month ago

Shane Victorino, as he would be strictly a rental.

Matt Beam
3 years 1 month ago

agree, rental player for a much lower cost, plus he’s a pain in the rear at the plate in a playoff setting

GrtSm1
3 years 1 month ago

It’s gotta be Upton. He, McCutchen, and Pedro Alvarez would have the makings of a dangerous lineup. Add in that they would all be controlled through 2015, and he’s the best fit.

Quentin, Victorino, Grienke, and Hamels are 1yr rentals. And Headley’s value is in the fact that his bat will improve outside of Petco.

rundmc1981
3 years 1 month ago

Alvarez is only dangerous during the day vs. RHP.

Jessica Alexa Cook
3 years 1 month ago

I was looking up Pedro’s stats the other day and was amazed to see that he’s a .300 hitter during day games and like .198 during night games. I did a sampling of other major league hitters and didn’t find anyone who had nearly that big of a split between day and night games. Maybe the kid needs to have his eyes checked because he’s definitely not seeing the ball well at night.

RiverKKiller999
3 years 1 month ago

I voted Victorino because Quentin’s defense is bad and Upton would cost a lot in terms of prospects. Taillon, Marte, ect. I think Victorino could save the Pirates pitchers from giving up a few more runs then they should. I’m sure every Pirate fan wants Upton but what fan wouldn’t? Haha.

Victorino or Quentin wouldn’t cost as much as Upton would so they could get one of them and some one else if needed be and spare their prospects.

squeper
3 years 1 month ago

I agree.  No reason to lose your mind and decimate your farm system.  Plus, in case no-one’s noticed, the Pirates’ offense has finally come around. #1 in MLB since 1 June.  Quentin’s defense is terrible and wouldn’t resign in Pittsburgh. Upton has clubhouse issues that wouldn’t be jive with the manager because Hurdle builds teams with chemistry.  You don’t need a 3B anymore.  Victorino on the cheap is the way to go.

3 years 1 month ago

Quentin will still cost a couple good prospects. Probably something like Robbie Grossman, Owens, and one other lesser prospect. No its not the premium guys, but still a couple 2nd tier guys for only two months of a rental. 

briankoke
3 years 1 month ago

I haven’t noticed Quentin’s defense hurt the Padres a single time this year.  If fact, he’s made a few good plays.  I don’t understand all the talk about Quentin’s defense being bad.    

Jonathan Sisk
3 years 1 month ago

you’re right, 2011 and 2012 his defense has actually been solid ( 2.7 uzr fairly far above average ) … 2009/2010 he was one of the worst defenders in the big leagues, perhaps due to playing hurt

briankoke
3 years 1 month ago

UZR fluctuates like crazy.  It’s an extremely flawed statistic and not a great way to judge a players defense. 

Jonathan Sisk
3 years 1 month ago

the range portion of it isn’t… and it doesn’t fluctuate over long periods of time it fluctuates over short periods of time… 2 year spans are pretty reliable but the range portion is derived from a bunch of dots on a field print out split into sections, its the purest judge of range available to us, the naked eye lies, the naked eye remembers the diving catch and forgets the stumble at the beginning of the play and remembers the ball lost in the sun while forgetting the running catch far out of the player’s normal zone

briankoke
3 years 1 month ago

Sorry, but the statistic doesn’t mean much to me.  All parks don’t play the same and every player doesn’t experience the same balls hit to them.  The perfect example is what Coors does to UZR’s.  The thin air and huge outfield makes every outfielder seem like they have little range.  Fowler and Gonzalez both have a ton of range, but consistently have poor UZR.  The statistic is flawed and in my opinion not a good way to judge a players defense.  

Jonathan Sisk
3 years 1 month ago

better than fielding percentage… flawed yes but still the best we have

briankoke
3 years 1 month ago

The only way to accurately judge defense is to look at everything.  Looking at FPCT or UZR by itself is worthless.  Look at both and add scouts eyes to the equation and you have a much better idea.  

Jonathan Sisk
3 years 1 month ago

uzr incorporates fielding percentage and range… so you could leave fielding percentage out and just go with uzr and scouts eyes but for those of you that don’t know scouts… uzr is the best thing you got… fielding percentage is misleading because guys with more range make more errors by simple law of averages, they make more plays therefore make more errors, pedro alvarez is a good example of that this year, he makes a lot of errors but he also gets to a ton of balls that no other 3B is getting to so by fielding percentage he’s a bad defender but by uzr he’s a great defender, by scout’s eyes ( mine anyway ) he’s a great defender… fielding percentage is lying

BeatEmBucs
3 years 1 month ago

I voted Quentin mostly because of the lesser prospects package. I really, really want to see Cole and Taillon pitching together at PNC Park one day. Obviously, one of them is going in a deal for Upton…but can admit to dreaming of an outfield of Cutch, Upton, and Marte.

Matt Beam
3 years 1 month ago

victorino from that list, given the likely prices that each would command… I’d much rather try and swing a strong SP, like greinke, shields, garza, or dempster as all of them would be strong upgrades over Bedard or Correa, leaving a very strong 1-4 group of SP’s

Greatone1210
3 years 1 month ago

Pirates need two things in my mind, an OF who can hit lead off and have an average OBP and a starting pitcher. Now, I think the two best candidates at this time would be Victorino and Garza. You have to consider what you want to give up for a shot at glory this year. No way you deal Cole and I’d be hesitant to trade Taillon or Hanson. Marte is okay to be traded if you got Upton. What we really need is Tabata to find his footing and play to his ability and for one of our Indy starting pitchers to replace Bedard. We are not riding solely on Cutch but on all the guys as they are all producing somehow, offensively or defensively. If Cutch and Pedro stay consistent and the rest fill in the gaps, we run away with the division. But the SP does still concern me and think it needs addressed. 

Fols
3 years 1 month ago

Span is available too

bmcferren
3 years 1 month ago

Any way we can avoid trading Cole, Taillion or Heredia by sending Hanrahan somewhere in a three way trade instead? Lincoln / Grilli look like they are ready to close games for the Bucs…

Ron Loreski
3 years 1 month ago

The Pirates can not and will not trade Hanrahan. Not during the season anyway. You can’t trade a primere closer in the middle of a pennant race. Everyone seems to think that Grilli and Lincoln can handle closing…maybe they can, maybe they can’t. I think the Pirates are safer not making any moves than trading Hanrahan.

Jonathan Sisk
3 years 1 month ago

something not mentioned yet is the fact that we have cutch and marte long term… that’s center and right so adding upton isn’t necessary long term, finding a free agent left fielder isn’t that difficult and that fills up the outfield, of course if they would take marte, presley and tabata for upton i’d do that, basically give up quantity and projection for proven production… wouldn’t include any of my top arms though

Budyzer
3 years 1 month ago

Why would the D’backs trade 24 year old upton ? Something doesn’t smell right there … I think this has raised huge red flags for gm’s like the other post said. Looks like they are trying to sell high before he slides into obscurity !

Jonathan Sisk
3 years 1 month ago

trading a star caliber player or two is the quickest way to get an influx of young talent… speeds up the rebuilding process, not sure that the dbacks really need to do that but maybe that’s what they are thinking

3 years 1 month ago

 trust me, Im not saying this just because im a Dback fan but they wont be trading him. They are just trying to see if a team offers them a god-like package, if so they may consider it, if not they keep him, they are in no rush.

squeper
3 years 1 month ago

There’s your truth.  They’re looking to trade him because there seems to be some trouble in the clubhouse and he and Drew have angered the owner so much that he called them both out in public.  I also heard that there’s some friction between him and Gibson.  

3 years 1 month ago

 Not true at all, the “issues” were overblown. Gibson and Upton have a great relationship and Kendrick’s statements about Drew were bad. Upton’s weren’t.

squeper
3 years 1 month ago

Fair enough, you’re the local fan and so I blew over the article fairly quickly.  But I saw his comments as quoted in the article and he didn’t sound too happy about the situation, was “pissed” about not getting to play, and was evasive when asked about Drew.  Maybe the columnist was spinning it up but it didn’t sound good and since neither of us are beat friends with members of the Dbacks 25 man so we don’t really know.  But whatever: we can agree on this – neither of us want to see this trade happen.

szielinski
3 years 1 month ago

 The Dbacks owner seems to dislike Upton. It makes little baseball sense for the Dbacks to trade him. He’s the kind of player you build a team on.

3 years 1 month ago

Curious which OF would you replace?  I have been following the Pirates the last 3 years or so and I personally don’t think you give up on Prestley quite yet.  I think he could turn out to be pretty good.  He shows spurts of consistency especially since coming back up.  He could be a Cutch light I think not quite as good but has decent tools.

3 years 1 month ago

Unless the Pirates offer up Cole, Taillon, Marte and Alvarez I dont see a deal getting done. Arizona will only trade Upton if they get a great package in return, they are in no rush to trade him. 

squeper
3 years 1 month ago

Then they’re not serious about trading him, despite the clubhouse implosion that he’s orchestrated.  You’re just throwing out an absurd package that wouldn’t get offered for AZ’s entire roster.

3 years 1 month ago

Listen, I assume you aren’t a Dback fan and you aren’t following the situation like I am so here’s what I’ll tell you: 1) That “implosion” was overblown, KT said he’d listen to offers on everyone and Kendrick just said he expects more out of him. The things he said about Drew was where he went too far. He didn’t sound off on Upton. 2) The Dbacks are clearly looking for an overpay, if not they wont trade him. Simple. He’s young and under a reasonable contract until the end of the 2015 season. I know the Pirates wouldn’t ever offer what I listed above which makes my point on how I doubt he goes anywhere at all. Thats what AZ is looking to get and if not they keep him, simple as that.

3 years 1 month ago

I am not a Dbacks fan (I am a Jays fan), and I don’t know why they would trade him.  But if they did, I doubt it would be to an NL club.  It would be a PR hit if he started crushing the ball and you had to play against him regularly.  The team I could see going after him is Detroit offering some package based around Castellanos (who is blocked by Cabrera).

I’d love to see the Jays grab him to form the best OF in baseball but I am not really sure if I’d want to give up 4 prospects for Upton.

Jonathan Sisk
3 years 1 month ago

cabrera is 29, he’ll eventually move back over to first and castellanos has been said to be untouchable… cabrera only has 3 years of what are considered prime years left so castellanos would be a great transition as he starts to decline

Devon Henry
3 years 1 month ago

You act like 29 is old how old is Chipper?

Greatone1210
3 years 1 month ago

Not sure I agree with that assessment but that is what is fun about the discussion. I think a deal centering around Taillon and Marte would be prime. No way Pedro or Cole get traded. I think Taillon, Marte, Tabata, and a MLB ready SP would get the deal done, maybe adding in Polanco or Hanson. But I really don’t want to trade Hanson.

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start_wearing_purple
3 years 1 month ago

Ok, Upton is very valuable. He’s young, has a decent contract, and when he’s on he’s a star. But there’s absolutely no conceivable future where Cole, Taillon, and Marte all leave in a trade for a single player unless he’s the 2009 version of Joey Votto. 

3 years 1 month ago

Read my reply to the dude below me. I know the Pirates would never give up that package. What I’m saying is AZ is in no rush to trade him and unless they get that type of return he wont be going anywhere. And BTW, Upton would be the future.

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start_wearing_purple
3 years 1 month ago

You didn’t reply until after I pressed the post button.

As for Upton being the future… I have no clue what that means in the context of this conversation. In general though, I have a hard time believing in Upton as a player when his OPS+ is sub 100 after his breakout season.

Todd Smith
3 years 1 month ago

Don’t you think they ought to go ahead and throw in McCutchen there too? Let’s try to live in reality here, just a little.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 1 month ago

Upton is a guy who would be there long term as their pieces developed, so I picked him.

If they’re looking for a short term solution? Victorino would be a good fit.

Greatone1210
3 years 1 month ago

Agreed. Not having his best year but would probably be an upgrade and not worth a whole lot. Doubt he would sign here long term though so no major prospects in the trade.

nictonjr
3 years 1 month ago

They’d have to trade 1/2 of their ‘long term pieces’ to get 3 years/$39 mil worth of Justin Upton.  Wait until Ellsbury and Crawford are back and see what the Red Sox want for Ross or Nava or Kalish….