Alfonso Soriano Not Getting Traded Today

5:14pm: Tigers president and GM Dave Dombrowski told reporters, including MLB.com's Jason Beck, that the Tigers didn't discuss Soriano with the Cubs (Twitter link). "Not once. … We did speak with the Cubs, but we did not speak about Soriano," Dombrowski said.

2:24pm: Soriano will stay with the Cubs at least this week, tweets Nightengale.

2:14pm: The Cubs say Soriano is likely to stay put, though an August deal is possible, tweets Bob Nightengale of USA Today.

2:04pm: The Tigers and Cubs are hard at work on Soriano, tweets David Kaplan of CSNChicago.com, but he's not sure if they can make the money work.  Soriano is owed $42.3MM through 2014.

1:18pm: Manager Jim Leyland thinks the Tigers may be done on the trade front, tweets Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe.

10:57am: The Tigers have considered Alfonso Soriano, but don't think he's a great fit, Knobler reports (on Twitter).  They asked about Scott Hairston, but the Mets wanted one of the Tigers' top five prospects in return.

10:24am: The Tigers are seeking a middle-of-the-order hitter in the wake of discouraging news on Victor Martinez's recovery from knee surgery, writes Danny Knobler of CBS Sports.  Martinez is said to be 50-50 to return this year, so the Tigers are "looking hard" for another bat.


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147 Comments on "Alfonso Soriano Not Getting Traded Today"


donjuandemarco
3 years 1 month ago

Alfonso Soriano?

craigkimbrelfan
3 years 1 month ago

LOL…because with Cabrera and Fielder, they don’t have one.

jjs91
3 years 1 month ago

Nothing wrong with wanting more they need to get their lineup to match texas’s and the yankees.

the_show
3 years 1 month ago

There isn’t anyone they can acquire that makes their lineup be like the Yankees

stl_cards16
3 years 1 month ago

There are 4 teams with more runs scored than the Yankees…….

the_show
3 years 1 month ago

And your point? With the bats on the market the Tigers lineup isn’t going to be as good as the Yankees if with another bat

stl_cards16
3 years 1 month ago

Because you pointed out the Yankees like they were so far above everyone else. Clearly that is the Rangers and there is no one the Yankees can add that would make their offense as good as the Rangers.

jjs91
3 years 1 month ago

Runs isnt the only stat to rate an offense…. For instance the yankees have a higher Woba and Wrc plus then then the rangers….

stl_cards16
3 years 1 month ago

Well the only thing the Yanks lead in are HR based categories. Which, obviously is helped out by their stadium. I wasn’t saying the Yankees don’t have a good offense, they obviously do. Just that the Yankees aren’t exactly the dominant offensive team it seemed like he was making them out to be.

jjs91
3 years 1 month ago

the rangers play in the best hitters park in the Al so i dont see your point… Not to mention the .005 difference between how the two teams obp isn’t that big… Two weeks ago the rockies scored more runs than the yankees i wouldnt of said they had the better lineup then and i certainly wouldnt say it now.

jjs91
3 years 1 month ago

Scoring more runs doesnt mean you have a better lineup… Besides i dont think i would have to say every single team they arent gonna make a trade to compete with the jays now are they?

3 years 1 month ago

It kind of does though. The name of the game offensively is to score runs. They aren’t the best line up in the game.

jjs91
3 years 1 month ago

That’s great and all but considering the yankees lead the rangers in Woba and Wrc plus id be more confident in their teams ability to score runs than the rangers. The rockies didnt have a better lineup than the yankees at the as gm even though they had more runs.

$17049574
3 years 1 month ago

We could acquire a ton of aging former stars and see what happens

Dynasty22
3 years 1 month ago

Middle of the order is 3-4-5. They currently have Delmon Young as their #5 hitter. They do need a bat.

Irishpitviper
3 years 1 month ago

please be soriano!

rippinandtearin
3 years 1 month ago

No. He will cool off and become nothing but another Delmon Young.

Devern Hansack
3 years 1 month ago

Please be Carl Crawford. Please be Carl Crawford. Please?

Edit: Obviously, I’m being facetious.

stl_cards16
3 years 1 month ago

“middle-of-the-order bat”

Devern Hansack
3 years 1 month ago

Well, 6th is kind of the middle.

3 years 1 month ago

“bat”

chetkincaid
3 years 1 month ago

I’m a White Sox fan and I want the Tigers to get Carl Crawford too. He’ll look good next to Victor Martinez on the DH while recovering from Tommy John surgery and getting paid all of that money.

rippinandtearin
3 years 1 month ago

Brett Myers looked really good last night!

jhawk90
3 years 1 month ago

Morneau – then they can up Escobar and Gardy can fulfill his dream of starting an entire infield of scrappy light-hitting utility guys.

Karkat
3 years 1 month ago

They already have enough 1B/DH types on the Tigers

williswinning
3 years 1 month ago

How can you say that when Young is the DH? I’d switch those two.

Karkat
3 years 1 month ago

Because Miguel Cabrera and Prince Fielder are also 1B/DH types. And then Martinez who might come back is also. The team is loaded with them.

williswinning
3 years 1 month ago

Cabrera is a 3B type, since he plays 3B. Fielder has played ONE games at DH so he’s a 1B type. VMart has played ZERO games at DH this year, in fact he has played ZERO games this year. He probably won’t be back either.

Karkat
3 years 1 month ago

“Cabrera is a 3B type, since he plays 3B.”
No.

Just because you’ve been playing a position does not mean you are suited for it. Cabrera is not a long-term 3B option. He and Fielder are both defensive liabilities, and Fielder isn’t going to be able to play the field by the end of that contract. A “3B type” is someone like Chipper Jones who can actually play third base long-term.

FunkyTime
3 years 1 month ago

The Tigers aren’t in need of a long term bat right now. They’re in need of a rental because V-Mart’s return this year is questionable.

Earlier in the season it was said that he was going to return in September. Now that seems doubtful, and it seems the front office was counting on that return.

Karkat
3 years 1 month ago

This discussion evolved (devolved?) into more than I meant it to be. A rental bat for DH (or 1B or 3B) is indeed what the Tigers need, this is absolutely true. But, regardless, my statement holds that their roster is going to be full of 1B/DH guys next year.

FunkyTime
3 years 1 month ago

If by that you mean Fielder and Martinez have those spots locked up for next year, yes. But Cabrera isn’t one of them. Cabrera hasn’t been close to being the Tigers worst fielder. He’s fine at 3rd for next year too.

That very fact is why the Tigers recently moved Castellanos to the outfield.

Karkat
3 years 1 month ago

For a first-baseman, he has handled third admirably, but he’s still been one of the worst defensive third basemen in the league.

FunkyTime
3 years 1 month ago

And the best offensively. That makes up for the other. :p

Karkat
3 years 1 month ago

That was NEVER a question 😛

3 years 1 month ago

Do you have numbers to back that up? Or are you just spouting off about it. I don’t have any numbers off the top of my head and don’t have the time right now to research it but he’s been admirable at that position. Fielding percentage is hardly the best way to judge but I know he’s right around .966 and league avg is .949. Also his RF is at 2.63 and the league average at 3B is 2.57 so as far as people saying he has below average range that just hasn’t been true. Annoying to keep hearing people say he’s one of the worst at that position cuz it’s false and as FunkyTime said he’s the best offensively at that position by a mile. So avg fielding percentage and slightly above avg range and the best hitter in the game let alone that position. He can play for me anyday at 3B or any position. Adrian Beltre who I think most consider to be one of the best if not the best at that position has a fielding percentage of .969 so barely higher than Cabby and a RF of 2.40 quite a bit lower than Cabby’s. There are currently 6 players at 3B with a higher fielding percentage than Cabby and only 4 players with a higher RF. Also has turned the second most double plays 6 other players have committed more errors he’s seventh in assists which also speaks to his range and first in put outs and 4th in total chances so he gets to a lot of balls, and he’s reliable and has played the 2nd most innings at that position which shows that for a big guy he’s still in great shape and isn’t wearing down IE look at his offensive numbers and that will tell the same. He’s been in the upper third and even higher truthfully at that position defensively.

Karkat
3 years 1 month ago

Nah, I just spout of stuff without doing any research, totally.

By which i mean yes, I have numbers: http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=3b&stats=fld&lg=all&qual=y&type=1&season=2012&month=0&season1=2012&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=23,a
(I hope this lets me link to fangraphs…)

Also, being a good hitter at a position has nothing to do with how well you play it. It’s great that Cabrera is willing to play third because it lets them get his bat as well as another first baseman’s bat in the lineup. But it doesn’t make him a good defensive third baseman.

3 years 1 month ago

Well no I never said it made him a better defender.

Karkat
3 years 1 month ago

All I *ever* said was that Cabrera is not really a third baseman, for the record 😛

Karkat
3 years 1 month ago

Response caught in moderation limbo.

3 years 1 month ago

Not sure what that is supposed to mean but alright.

Karkat
3 years 1 month ago

If you use this website for long enough you will know all too well. My response should pop up at some point, but spoiler alert: yes I have numbers.

3 years 1 month ago

I’d like to see them.

Karkat
3 years 1 month ago

Well, they were in a fangraphs link in the limbo comment, but the gist of it is that according to UZR/150, only Hanley Ramirez (also not really a 3B), A-Rod, and Chris Johnson have worse defensive numbers at third. For Cabrera (unsurprisingly) it’s all about his range.

3 years 1 month ago

Okay fair enough I can’t really argue that point. The link never showed up before. Anyways though we do agree on one thing as you had stated earlier he’s been admirable and i’d even go as far as saying more than sufficient at that position. His bat certainly helps us forget some of his defensive deficiencies. That being said his defense isn’t what has caused the Tiger’s problems this year. They need another consistent bat. I don’t care about a power guy but someone who can consistently produce is so badly needed. We have had 3 consistent hitters all year. AJ, Prince, and Cabby.

$17049574
3 years 1 month ago

That stat is all but meaningless for one season.

Karkat
3 years 1 month ago

Thanks for proposing an alternate.

JacksTigers
3 years 1 month ago

Cabrera has not been a defensive liability.

3 years 1 month ago

You do know that Chipper Jones isn’t a very good third baseman anymore and was never a super star defensively and also this is his last year. Now where I come from that is not a long term option.

Karkat
3 years 1 month ago

yes, CLEARLY I meant that Chipper is *presently* a long-term option.

williswinning
3 years 1 month ago

“Cabrera is not a long-term 3B option.”

Yes, he is. Will he play it when he’s 36? probably not. But he will be there for a few years.

Karkat
3 years 1 month ago

He will, because VMart is signed for two more seasons, and it’s really, really non-ideal, defensively.

williswinning
3 years 1 month ago

” A “3B type” is someone like Chipper Jones who can actually play third base long-term.”

You don’t get to make up the definition. Unless your name is Merriam-Webster?

Karkat
3 years 1 month ago

I admit that Chipper wasn’t the best example (I’m at work, so cut me a little slack), but under no definition is Miguel Cabrera a 3B-type player. This is the ultimate truth.

FunkyTime
3 years 1 month ago

What Willis said. That’s an outdated line of thinking from the off-season.

Cabrera has played 100 of 103 games at 3rd base this year and has done much better than expected. He’s below average but is fine there, and is never even lifted for a defensive replacement.

If Martinez isn’t coming back this year DH is the hole they’re actually looking to fill, although getting an outfielder and moving Boesch to DH may be the best possible move of all.

Pawsdeep
3 years 1 month ago

Miguel has really proven the pundits wrong at 3B. He’s better their than he has been at 1b in recent years.
Look at the numbers-he’s middle of the pack defensively at 3rd

Karkat
3 years 1 month ago

You and I are looking at some very different numbers.

Karkat
3 years 1 month ago

Fielding percentage? Seriously?

Pawsdeep
3 years 1 month ago

You do realize there was an entire sortable table associated with that link, right?
Other than range, there hasn’t been much to knock Cabreras defensive efforts. Which is why I gave you a link with multiple sortable stats for you to browse.

Karkat
3 years 1 month ago

I saw it set to fielding percentage and then mlbtr killed it.

Also, you can’t just say “other than range.” Range is a BIG PART of playing third base.

Pawsdeep
3 years 1 month ago

Sure I can. It’s the only issue he’s had at third. E makes the plays he’s supposed, throws well, and has not been an issue inthe field at all. In fact, going into it even further, his horizontal range really has been his only downside. He leaps fine and remember all those comment made about teams just “bunting it at third”? How’s that worked out for them.

My point is this; Miggy at third has been in no way a horror show this year. He has even much better than expected and the numbers point to him being in the bottom side of average. I’m just not sure why people are still beating this dead horse. He’s more than adequate at third and when you add in his offensive contributions, can you seriously name one guy you’d rather have at 3b?

Karkat
3 years 1 month ago

There are few people, if any, I’d rather have in my lineup. There are a lot of people I’d rather see at third base, specifically. The fact that the Tigers lost their DH and still had both Prince Fielder and Miguel Cabrera in the field pretty much every day has always struck me as kind of strange.

the_show
3 years 1 month ago

I laughed

flyerzfan12
flyerzfan12
3 years 1 month ago

Hunter Pence?

bigpat
3 years 1 month ago

Oh, I guess Cabrera and Fielder left the team.

Karkat
3 years 1 month ago

Oh geez I forgot that rule that says a team is only allowed to have two middle-of-the-order bats, despite the “middle” of a nine-man lineup being three spots long (3-4-5). Thanks for the reminder.

stl_cards16
3 years 1 month ago

But if 3 is in the “middle”, then I guess 6-7 are too!

Karkat
3 years 1 month ago

Well that’s why I put “middle” in quotes 😛

I think it’s pretty widely accepted that 1-2 is the “top,” 3-4-5 is the “middle”, 7-8-9 is the “bottom”, and 6 is the weird cousin people “forget” to invite to the family reunions

stl_cards16
3 years 1 month ago

haha. I knew what you meant, I’m just bored because my Cardinals are not rumored to be involved in anything!

Karkat
3 years 1 month ago

How do you think I feel, I’m a Red Sox fan 😛

bigpat
3 years 1 month ago

sorry that I just find it slightly amusing that a team has 40M+ invested in the middle of their order but it’s not enough. almost like how Anaheim needs four aces to keep pace with the Rangers and Athletics.

They need quality to surround their 3-4 hitters, but hearing the headline makes me assume they are going after a high quality 3-4 hitter since that’s what you usually think of with middle of the order hitters.

WrigleyTerror37
3 years 1 month ago

Soriano! give up a guy with upside and you only have to pay 2-4 mil a year!

FunkyTime
3 years 1 month ago

I like how the 3 posts in order right now sound like a conversation.

Irish: Please be Soriano!

Donjuan: Alfonso Soriano?

Wrigley: Soriano!

Ausome7
3 years 1 month ago

I’d love Hunter Pence in an old english D

randyfastman
3 years 1 month ago

and we would love Castellanos in red pinstripes… there is the starting point… more would be included for sure

ERS
3 years 1 month ago

Wait, Castellanos and more for Hunter Pence? Um… no.

randyfastman
3 years 1 month ago

it’s past now but I meant Castellanos for Pence and more, either way no matter

erm016
3 years 1 month ago

Eh, Pence isn’t worth much.

williswinning
3 years 1 month ago

LOL, I wouldn’t give up Castellanos for Pence. Maybe Castellanos’s jock strap.

3 years 1 month ago

TheTigers are “looking hard” for another bat.
That’s because they make “Cars” in Detroit, they don’t make bats.
Wocka, Wocka,Wocka 😛

RiosFan
3 years 1 month ago

They do not need a middle of the order bat, they are pretty set. I think a soriano or pence in the 6 hole could be allrigth.

MH_20
3 years 1 month ago

Delmon Young has been bad behind Fielder. I’d be ecstatic if they could get another established hitter. Delmon Young is slugging .400 as a 5-hole guy, that’s just terrible.

iheartyourfart
3 years 1 month ago

you shut your mouth.

– padres, mariners, and giants fans everywhere

3 years 1 month ago

You do realize that the 6 hole is in the middle of the order? Middle of the order is 4-6.

FunkyTime
3 years 1 month ago

If you don’t know a #3 hitter is considered to hit in the “middle of the lineup” I’m kind of shocked you’re on this website.

goodgm
3 years 1 month ago

hunter pence maybe?

marinest21
3 years 1 month ago

Outta nowhere: Upton for a package built around Catellanos?

Andy Repinski
3 years 1 month ago

i can’t even describe how thankful i would be to be a Brewer fan and not have to play the Tigers next year if that would happen.

marinest21
3 years 1 month ago

Cabrera/Prince/Upton R/L/R 3-4-5? That would be absolutely disgusting.

(In a good way)

3 years 1 month ago

Don’t forget about V-Mart, but I don’t really want them to acquire Upton.

marinest21
3 years 1 month ago

Wow, that’s right. If Upton was on, holy moly, that’d be murderers row.

3 years 1 month ago

I’m partial on this, but I don’t think the Tigers are giving up Castellanos for anyone as of right now.

marinest21
3 years 1 month ago

I understand. I think if he does go it’s gonna only be for an Upton-like return. Up desperately needs a change of scenery, I wonder how motivated he would be playing with Prince and Miggy in the middle of a pennant race.

This was a complete guess outta left field, but it does make sense when first looking at it. D-Backs did acquire Chris Johnson, but they would be able to plug Castellanos either in the OF to take Upton’s spot or at 3B.

throwitback85
3 years 1 month ago

I would think Jacob Turner would have to be a part of any Upton deal. And he’s now in Miami.

Ausome7
3 years 1 month ago

Maybe the Tigers could send Mad Max back to Arizona and Garcia for Upton. However if we had to give Castellanos, which is reasonable, it would be fine because we would have nowhere to put him with Upton in RF and Miggy at 3rd

3 years 1 month ago

Upton is extremely talented but he concerns me. He’s been a bit inconsistent and I know he’s still really young but it’s a huge risk. One maybe worth taking though.

sportsnut969
3 years 1 month ago

CHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

the_show
3 years 1 month ago

He isn’t getting traded in the division if at all

forkball27
3 years 1 month ago

Hoping that it is Hunter Pence! AND that the Tigers don’t have to give up Castellanos in the trade!

iheartyourfart
3 years 1 month ago

paging ruben amaro…. i think we’ve found a suitor for juan pierre.

3 years 1 month ago

Chase Utley!!?!?!?!
Why the hell not? 😛

But seriously, a healthy and productive VMart would be great for the tigers offense, if he happens to make it back.

Ron Opher
3 years 1 month ago

This has Carlos Lee written all over it. Very surprised no one below has mentioned El Caballo.

Maybe the Marlins will do better this time after completing messing up the Miggy trade

rippinandtearin
3 years 1 month ago

I hope not. He’s probably pretty cheap, but I don’t think he’ll have much success in Comerica.

3 years 1 month ago

we need pitching, VERLANDER IS A CHOKE ARTIST..

Ausome7
3 years 1 month ago

Listen to yourself you just called the MVP a choke artist.. smh

Dustroia15
3 years 1 month ago

Ortiz and Padilla for Castellanos, Garcia, McCann and Crosby

WrigleyTerror37
3 years 1 month ago

go back to bed your not awake yet

Ryman5000
3 years 1 month ago

Hey Red Sox…We’d like to give up our future for 2 aging salary munchers.

Signed,
-Nobody

Dustroia15
3 years 1 month ago

Obviously unrealistic but that’s what the new rules have done. Sox would need at least 2 first round talents in return just to be at the same place in terms of compensating draft picks. Fielder, Cabrera and Ortiz in the middle of a lineup would be pretty insane though.