Zack Greinke Rumors: Monday

If the Brewers end up selling this season, Zack Greinke could be the prize of the trade market. The 28-year-old right-hander has been electric in 2012, entering play tonight with a 2.82 ERA, 9.0 K/9, 1.9 BB/9 and 52.3% groundball rate. His FIP (2.21) suggests he's been even better than his ERA indicates. Here are Monday's rumors surrounding the Milwaukee ace…

  • Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports tweets that the Braves are "definitely" interested in Greinke and that they're willing to trade their young arms to facilitate a deal.
  • The Braves have sent one of their top scouts to attend Greinke's start tonight, according to David O'Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution (on Twitter). Atlanta recently lost Brandon Beachy to Tommy John surgery. It's been reported that Atlanta is only interested in Greinke if an extension can be reached.
  • Brewers manager Ron Roenicke told reporters (including Tom Haudricourt of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel) that the team will make another run at extending Greinke prior to the deadline. If Greinke remains with the team beyond the deadline, the Brew Crew will revisit extension talks this offseason, though Roenicke feels that Greinke will want to "know what's out there for him" in free agency.


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104 Comments on "Zack Greinke Rumors: Monday"


rockfordone
3 years 1 month ago

That’s do a blockbuster – White Sox Sale and Beckham for Greinke, Weeks and Ashford.

SunsetStripper
3 years 1 month ago

Who’s Ashford?

AaronAngst
3 years 1 month ago

I’d only trade Ashford if Simpson were also included in the deal.

withpower
3 years 1 month ago

 I can’t see the White Sox getting significantly better by subtracting Chris Sale.

the_show
3 years 1 month ago

Why would the Braves trade their young arms for him they probably would not be able to resign him

$1529282
3 years 1 month ago

Because Greinke’s one of the best pitchers in baseball right NOW and they want to make a run this year. Not really a strange or unheard of concept at the trade deadline……

3 years 1 month ago

i think the braves can get him to sign. i say throw 18 million a year at him and see what he says. i say trade teheran and another prospect. then sign him. if it means mccann is done in atlanta then so be it. 

Colin Christopher
3 years 1 month ago

They’d probably want to have an extension in place with him before agreeing to the deal. In that case, it would make sense. 

YanksFanSince78
3 years 1 month ago

The 2nd paragraph says “..
that Atlanta is only interested in Greinke if an extension can be reached. “

3 years 1 month ago

O boy Mark Tex two o this should be fun

3 years 1 month ago

Unless the Braves have given up their “no no-trade clause” philosophy, I don’t see them ever signing a big time free agent. 

bobrewer
3 years 1 month ago

It has more to do with the fact they’re a mid-market team with smart general management.

NTC = more flexibility, but also more $$$

It just doesn’t make sense for a sub-$100M payroll team to dump $20M on one player for 4+ yrs.

rundmc1981
3 years 1 month ago

Never say never. ATL is a classy organization that doesn’t have a history of going against players wishes and bending over backwards to make our players happy.

braves_and_pats
3 years 1 month ago

if the braves trade for Greinke they will trade for him they will only do so if they know they can resign him to a long term deal. Wren has said that many times.

Redsox7
3 years 1 month ago

I bet the sox will check in

Stimz
3 years 1 month ago

The Sox already have about $75 Million dedicated to their awesome rotation.

3 years 1 month ago

The Braves have sent one of their top scouts to attend Greinke’s start tonight.
Yeah, he’s the same guy who was working the warehouse scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark…..”We have top men working on it now.” “Who?” Top. Men.”

I mean don’t the Braves remember trading for Mark Teixeira? I mean come on, get serious! They’re going to unload all their prospects just to get Greinke and for what? He might not like Atlanta, much less do well down there.

rundmc1981
3 years 1 month ago

“Unload all of their prospects”…? Really, you think that was all of our prospects? That’s why we were #4 best ranked farm systems in all of MLB not 3 years after trading for Tex. Yes, we lost a lot of talent (3 future All-Stars), but they were by no means “all of [our] prospects”. 

And why wouldn’t Greinke like ATL? Classy organization with some money that might not make him the richest RHP in MLB, but will pay him what he’s worth, make him the headliner of one of the best rotations in MLB, be on a team that’s always in playoff-contention, a short plane-ride away from his hometown (Orlando, FL), and mid-market team. What’s not to like about that? I mean, KC is the AAAA-affiliate of the Braves, so he’s already had a taste of what it’d be like to pitch for Atlanta.

3 years 1 month ago

I wouldn’t call Atlanta a mid market they are a low market team similar to the NYM which should change the Mets will become mid market again.They sometimes do act like a mid market team though

Crewers
3 years 1 month ago

If the Brewers do end up trading Greinke to the Braves I hope they can get Simmons in the deal. He looks like the real deal at short.

NYBravosFan10
3 years 1 month ago

I’m pretty sure Simmons is untouchable. He been straight filth since he came up and the Braves have other SS options in the minors such as Tyler Pastornicky, Nick Ahmed, Edward Salcedo and Matt Lipka

Brv Rocks
3 years 1 month ago

Salcedo moved to 3B and Matt Lipka moved to CF.

NYBravosFan10
3 years 1 month ago

yes but I’m assuming they could move back if necessary

3 years 1 month ago

Simmons is running for ROY he has to be untouchable. Has Heyward been offered or is he untouchable as well? I would presume too think Teheran+Pastornicky+ off the beat prospect gets this done.I will tell you this much the Brewers do nt want Minor with the way he hasbeen struggling

NYBravosFan10
3 years 1 month ago

Heyward hasn’t been offered and he won’t be. I would think the best you’re going to do on the current team is Minor and/or Delgado. And from what I’m to understand, the only untouchable guy in the minors is Teheran. Seeing as how the Braves are making a push for two SP’s (Sheets included), I would think the Braves will be willing to offer Minor and Delgado together somehow. The Braves need to stop hoarding these pitching prospects with intent to have them in the rotation at some point. Saying goodbye to Minor and Delgado would allow them to pick up Huddy’s option and not spend the entire winter trying to trade Jurrjens

3 years 1 month ago

I agree Teheran is good but when your talking Greinke u cannot say he is untouchable

rundmc1981
3 years 1 month ago

Not a chance. Seriously. You’ve got our SS of the past (Alex Gonzalez) and you can have our bench player of the future (Pastornicky), but even if you dip Greinke in gold and send a confidence coach, we still wouldn’t be sending Mr. Simmons.

Think of him as our Brett Lawrie, our Mr. Untouchable.

Sage
3 years 1 month ago

Bad comparison for Simmons. We moved our Mr. Untouchable (Lawrie) for Shaun Marcum. Which proves, everyone has a price. I doubt Simmons will be in a deal, but we’d be stupid not to ask.

stl_cards16
3 years 1 month ago

“Think of him as our Brett Lawrie, our Mr. Untouchable.”

The Brewers traded Brett Lawrie…….not a great comparison.

rundmc1981
3 years 1 month ago

Irony, my friend.

They shouldn’t have traded Lawrie. He should have been untouchable.

3 years 1 month ago

If the Brewers didn’t trade for Marcum, there is a good chance that
Greinke wouldn’t have waived his no trade clause to come to the Brewers.

Why are people talking about Lawrie like he is Mike Trout?

Not to mention, Lawrie has a lot of red flags – Refusing to play winter
ball when the Brewers asked him to (as a teenager). Then pictures
popping up of him last year with a 40oz. bottle of beer duct taped to
his hand.

Then, in his first full big league season, we haven’t even hit the all
star break and he has hit an umpire with a helmet (I could care less
about intent – he should have gotten a MUCH longer suspension) and then
throwing his arms into a catchers face this past weekend.

Personally, I’m glad he is gone from the Brewers organization and
anytime you can trade a prospect hitter (ESPECIALLY one that has been
nothing but a PITA since you drafted him) for proven MLB pitchers…… it’s a no brainer.

 

rundmc1981
3 years 1 month ago

I agree with you, I just thought someone with Lawrie’s abilities could fetch more than a 13-game winner with a mid-3.00 ERA. Yes, he was pitching in the tough AL East in a hitter’s park, but his numbers really haven’t come down while being in the NL and he keeps battling arm issues – which popped up while he was in TOR. 

rundmc1981
3 years 1 month ago

Currently, Marcum has a 1.3 WAR for MIL.
Lawrie leads the MLB with a 4.8 WAR (Trout is a 4.2 in 2nd). And Lawrie’s numbers aren’t all that off-the-charts. That’s what I mean by “untouchable”.

3 years 1 month ago

simmons, prado, and heyward are pretty much untouchable IMO. but i can see the braves giving up teheran and just for the heck of it lets say, zeke spruill. 2 good pitching prospects for grienke 

DK8
3 years 1 month ago

 If the Braves trade for Greinke, they are going for it this year.  Subtracting Simmons leaves a gaping hole at SS this year. That wouldn’t make much sense. 

3 years 1 month ago

No that is not neccesarily it. The Braves will sign him to a extension

johnsilver
3 years 1 month ago

Not much from Grienke to watch tonight. He already got warned by the umpires for throwing at Zambrano, then the next pitch was way inside anyway. He has no control and is down 5-2 in the 3rd inning… Braves scouts shoulda’ skipped this start.

Nick Daniels
3 years 1 month ago

Probably his anxiety issues acting up again.  Steer clear.  Get Hamels instead.

myname_989
3 years 1 month ago

 Hamels really doesn’t fit the Braves’ M.O. They won’t be able to afford a contract extension, and if the Phillies were to deal him within the division, it’d be for a king’s ransom.

I’m thinking Edward Salcedo, one of those starters close to the MLB (assuming the Braves refuse guys like Delgado, Vizcaiano, maybe Sean Gilmartin? Speculating.) plus.

Not gonna happen.

NYBravosFan10
3 years 1 month ago

No way Hamels goes to the Braves. He’d be way too expensive in terms of prospects and there’s no way we’re resigning him because we’re talking 20MM or more per year for him. If I get home from work on the 31st (I’ve actually considered taking the day off lol) and see “Braves acquire and extend Cole Hamels” I would probably go catatonic.

athensmatt
3 years 1 month ago

Maybe he knew that top scouts were at the game and he got nervous.  It’s been said that he’s a bit sensitive and can’t handle big pressure games. 

rundmc1981
3 years 1 month ago

He’s trying to drive his price down. Even he doesn’t want to be traded for Teheran. 

justinadams81
3 years 1 month ago

simmons is going no where

justinadams81
3 years 1 month ago

no to hamels i dont want the traded guys to burn us there

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 1 month ago

I wouldn’t mind the prospects, but seeing Cole Hamels pitch the Atlanta Braves to a World Series wouldn’t be much fun for us either.

rundmc1981
3 years 1 month ago

Not gonna happen, sorry. We’re not giving prized prospects to the Phils. Hamels is gone after this season and we’re not an organization that will ever trade our prized prospects for a rental.

MARK TEIXEIRA………….AHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

3 years 1 month ago

Hamels is too expensive being in the same division he will cost much more being with Ruebens mind the Phillies would be contending next year.The Phils would demand

Teheran+Minor+Pastornicky+Nick+a 5th player.

Frank would be dumb to do that plus Hamels is much more expensive

coreybishop
3 years 1 month ago

Brewers get: Nick Ahmed, Randall Delgado, and Joe Terdoslavich

Braves get: Zack Greinke

rundmc1981
3 years 1 month ago

Only if they throw in Alex Gonzalez so we can release him again for effect.

Sage
3 years 1 month ago

Well, you can’t trade guys on the 60-day DL, so that’s not possible. You can have Cesar Izturis and release him, if you’d like. 😛

rundmc1981
3 years 1 month ago

Tell Zack to start lookin’ for houses in Alpharetta and send over the contract on linen white.

Jay212033
3 years 1 month ago

Switch Delgado with Minor and there you go.

3 years 1 month ago

you do know that Bob Melvin isn’t that dumb right.Minor’s MLB experience has not been good too say at the least.

Brv Rocks
3 years 1 month ago

It will take more than that to get Greinke.

3 years 1 month ago

That will never happen Teheran has to be included or no deal. The Brewers would also want Pastornicky or Simmons(untouchable).So it would probably be

Teheran+Pastornicky+a off the beat prospect.

I don’t want to throw the salt on the wound here but considering what the Mets got for Beltran last year you would have too feel that the Brewers would want a similar or better deal providing that position players are a dime a dozen and talented top of the rotation starters are neccesarily not.

Jay212033
3 years 1 month ago

As a Braves fan i’d be shovk beyond belief if we got him!

Brewcrew00
3 years 1 month ago

It will take Simmons or Teheran at the front of any offer. Maybe Edward Salcedo,Teheran and Sean Gilmartin but think Texas can offer the best deal.

NYBravosFan10
3 years 1 month ago

you underestimate Frank Wren’s trading ability. Some of the trades he’s pulled off have made opposing GM’s look quite sub-standard. And no, he didn’t do the Teixeira trade, that was Schuerholtz’s doing.

3 years 1 month ago

Wren comes on to me as a Alderson type. Schuerholtz was not quite a Minaya but he was a guy who would not be able to dump there prospects hence the Teixeira trade. I guess the Braves over the last couple of years have become more conseravitive when it comes to dealing there prospects.Although it looks like a sadden end for the Braves unless they trade for Greinke or Garza.As far as Hamels goes they shouldn’t and won’t go after him even despite his 10-4 record with a era in the mid 2s.He will most certainly demand 20 mill over 5-7 years too much for the Braves.However Wren even being a Alderson type props to you NYBravos fan he does make trades that do impact the team far further than any GMs have in baseball.Hence the Michael Bourn deal which was a great deal for Atlanta.They have to extend him.

Jay212033
3 years 1 month ago

Texas isn’t even in the running anymore

DK8
3 years 1 month ago

Simmons isn’t going to be traded for a 2012 run, because he is essential to that run. Personally, I wouldn’t give up Teheran for a half year of Greinke, but I could see it happening.  If that’s the case, any additional prospects will either be lower ceiling or further away from the bigs. 

Tomahawk237
3 years 1 month ago

Instead of the Braves focusing on trading for Grienke and extending his contract, they should focus on trying to extend Bourn’s contract.

3 years 1 month ago

Bourn will be expensive.He will get 14-15 mill a year because he is a big stolen base threat and hits for a high averege.If Atlanta doesn’t sign Bourn that will be a lol

NYBravosFan10
3 years 1 month ago

I guess I’ve never quite understood why Braves fans are still bugging out over the Tex trade. It turned out fine!!! Instead of Feliz we have Kimbrel, instead of Andrus we have Simmons, Salty wasn’t going anywhere in the organization, we have plenty of pitchers that either are or will be equivalent to Harrison and Beau Jones…is he even in baseball anymore?

coreybishop
3 years 1 month ago

If Feliz wasn’t injured, could you imagine the Braves still having both Neftali Feliz and Adam Wainwright? We wouldn’t even be talking about needing pitching right now.

rundmc1981
3 years 1 month ago

I can handle not having Wainwright. He’s great, but he’s only one man we traded for a rental (Drew). Trading 3 All-Stars, not mentioning trading away the draft pick that could have gotten the AL ROY (Trout) just plain hurts.

coreybishop
3 years 1 month ago

 If we had that “one man”, I’m not so sure we’d be in a frenzy right now to find the parts were looking for, and we could focus solely on a hitter.

3 years 30 days ago

hindsight is 20/20

Sage
3 years 1 month ago

It’s really starting to seem like the Braves are going to be the team that gets Greinke, if the Brewers opt to trade him. Obviously, these are all just rumors, but if the rumors of the Brewers wanting ML-ready players are true, the Braves are most likely the best fit.

Every Brewers fan would want Simmons in a deal. Doug Melvin would want Simmons in a deal. Doug Melvin should ask for Simmons in a deal. The Braves would be stupid to include Simmons in a deal, but it can’t hurt to ask. I think Pastornicky is the best we’re gonna be able to do as far as getting a ML-ready SS goes, unless the Dodgers really want Greinke and are willing to part with Gordon (which is highly unlikely). As far as the pitching included goes, it’s probably a take your pick scenario for Doug Melvin. Teheran, or Minor/Delgado + prospect SP.

J Hayes
3 years 1 month ago

The Braves usually don’t give 5 year contracts to pitchers and they also don’t give no trade clauses. That being said, Greinke is kind of special and he’s also a lifelong Braves fan. When he had his mental breakdown and took time away from the game, he still kept up with the Royals games and also watched his Braves… I think we make exceptions for someone of his caliber and his personal loyalty to the team. 

I don’t see there being a problem trying to get him locked up long term for Atlanta. The issue would be being able to pull off the trade to begin with. We can give them minor league depth pieces, but there really isn’t anyone that we can afford to part with that would be big enough to tempt the Brewers to give him to us. I mean, Simmons is off the table. Take away Simmons from the ATL lineup and we go back to zero @ SS. Give them Teheran and Delgado and some filler…. but I just don’t see us having the pieces to pull it off.

AaronAngst
3 years 1 month ago

I’ll say this until I’m blue in the face: The Brewers don’t have to trade him to anyone. They can hold onto him, offer arb, and receive compensation picks next year. They won’t move him for lesser prospects. They definitely won’t move him for mid-level pitching prospects. They have plenty of those already… I’d be more than happy to see the team hold onto him for the rest of the year, as opposed to see them trade for some of the garbage to “meh” packages most of you Braves fans are proposing.

Brv Rocks
3 years 1 month ago

If a deal is made both fan bases will likely be unhappy.  If the Braves give up Teheran most Braves fans will be angry.  If the deal doesn’t include someone like Simmons then most Brewer fans will be unhappy.  In truth, I expect either Teheran or Delgado to highlight the trade package with maybe guys like Bethancourt and Gilmartin to fill it out.  The Braves will push Minor to be part of the deal but I don’t think the Brewers will bite on that, unless it is Minor AND Delgado with no other players involved.

FWIW, I think both Minor and Delgado will be very good much league starting pitchers.  Delgado practically went straight from AA to the majors at age 21.  He’s a keeper.

AaronAngst
3 years 1 month ago

I just don’t see them matching up if a pitcher is going to be coming back as the centerpiece of the deal. I really don’t see it if they receive nothing but pitching. Delgado’s stock isn’t in a free-fall, but it is falling, ditto Minor, and even Teheran to an extent (True, it really had no place to go but down). They also don’t have a need at catcher. They need infielders of all types.

Brv Rocks
3 years 1 month ago

The Braves don’t have any top infield prospects unless you consider Tyler Pastornicky to be in that category.  He is really more of a 2B than a true shortstop. They also have Nick Ahmed who is a  bit further away from the majors.  Edward Salcedo is also far away from the majors, he is a 3rd base prospect that was highly regarded when he was signed. But you would need more than that for Greinke. And, no, Andrelton Simmons isn’t available. The Braves have waited too long for a high caliber shortstop to trade him now.
 
Given Delgado’s age (and lack of upper level minor league experience) I don’t think his stock is falling at all.  He really should have been pitching at AAA this season but is holding his own in the majors. Yes, I would agree that Minor and Teheran have fallen a little but both still have a high ceiling.

3 years 1 month ago

braves fans will be happy if grienke does what sabathia did for the Brewers a couple years ago and pitches them into the post season.  It’s a tough road to October without pitching for Atlanta this year.  And as far as the Brewers go…name a team that complains about having too much starting pitching in it’s system.  The crew has no real all star potential, Tehran would be a great addition.

rundmc1981
3 years 1 month ago

Teheran is the highest-ranked RHP prospect and has been for some time. He’s made some spot starts but has never had a rotation spot in MLB, so his MLB numbers shouldn’t determine his ability. Simply put, he’s not been given a fair shot yet. He’s still quite young and is getting even better though he’s dominated AAA. If NYM feels like they won out on the deal that sent Beltran and got them Zack Wheeler (who was around #45-ranked when traded), then MIL fans should be elated at getting the top RHP pitching prospect in MLB (and others) with or without a SS of Simmons’ ability. Go try and pry SS Machado away from BAL with Greinke and you’ll get the same “no” because franchise SS are nearly impossible to find.

AaronAngst
3 years 1 month ago

I haven’t personally seen Teheran throw, but his numbers in Triple A this year are middling, honestly. His track record in the Minors is great. I’ll grant you that, but his K totals are down, and his WHIP is over 1.4. I’m sure he’s a top talent, but I also have faith that Milwaukee will hit on at least two of Bradley, Jungmann, Thornburg, Peralta, and Nelson. Hitting on three of those, and their need for pitching is not great. Teheran is the best prospect the Braves have, but what he offers isn’t what Milwaukee needs the most right now. If nobody is willing to offer their top SS prospect, then I really think it’s best they keep Zack through the season.

DK8
3 years 1 month ago

 To be fair, Teheran is 21 and has already thrown 276 innings at AA or higher.  The track record is good, the velocity is easy, and the command is pretty advanced for a guy so young.  I think the results are down this year because the Braves have asked him to work on developing his breaking ball so he is more effective against RHBs.  The past 2 years he has  been primarily FB/CH and he needs a better breaking pitch to become a #1-2 starter.  Given his age, I think that’s a reasonable approach.

DK8
3 years 1 month ago

 My point is, focusing only on results for a guy who is still very young may not give you the complete picture of his status as a prospect.

AaronAngst
3 years 1 month ago

Understood – and I also said that I’m sure Teheran is, and will be a solid pitcher – I just don’t see that he fits what the Brewers need, and any deal centered around him will still feel lackluster for that reason.

Brv Rocks
3 years 1 month ago

The reason Teheran is struggling this year is because the Braves have required him to spend all of his time working on throwing his breaking pitches for strikes.  Everyone knows he has an electric fastball but he needs to refine the offspeed stuff so that the major league hitters don’t sit on the fastball. 

Brv Rocks
3 years 1 month ago

You are a little behind the times.  Teheran’s stock has fallen recently. Several other RH itching prospects have passed him (Bundy, Bauer, Taijuan Walker, Gerrit cole, Jameson Taillon, etc.

I do agree that Simmons won’t be traded for anyone.  He was just ranked as the #14 prospect in baseball by John Sickels.

Sage
3 years 1 month ago

I disagree. As much as we’d like to have Lawrie right now, I don’t think anyone in their right mind would give up our trip to the NLCS and our first playoff series win in 29 years just to have Lawrie back.

stl_cards16
3 years 1 month ago

“The only way it was worth it is if they win it all.”

Maybe, but they gave themselves a great chance to last year.  Without those trades it’s the same old good offense/no pitching Brewers.

I bet management would do it all the same if they had the chance.  They were just 2 games away from a World Series.  Things could of easily worked out for them.

Sage
3 years 1 month ago

I dunno about you, but last season was the most fun I’ve ever had as a Brewer fan. I wouldn’t give that up just to have Lawrie, Escobar, and Odorizzi (the only guys we traded away who have been good) back. Sure, we could have a very nice infield right now, but we’d also have no pitching right now, and there’s no way last season would have happened without Greinke or Marcum. So no, I think it was completely worth it, despite us not winning it all. The most fun season I’ve ever witnessed as a Brewer fan, and coming within two games of the World Series, for those few players, seems like a fine exchange to me.

coreybishop
3 years 1 month ago

Of course! Something around 5 yrs, $85M should do the trick I think.

Sage
3 years 1 month ago

I couldn’t agree more.

Sage
3 years 1 month ago

5 years and $85 mil is about what the Brewers wanted to offer him in the offseason for an extension. Then Matt Cain signed his deal, and talks have stalled between the Brewers and Greinke. If he were going to take that deal, he’d have done it already.

DK8
3 years 1 month ago

 5/$85 might do the trick to extend Bourn—maybe. That’s probably $50 million too light if Greinke tests the open market.

3 years 1 month ago

I would like to think Greinke is better then Lackey was at the time but I don’t see it.I just hope this doesn’t turn into Lowe two for the Braves.However he was much older so I don’t think this will be the case plus Atlanta isn’t a strong media market so his mental stability shouldn’t be a problem

rundmc1981
3 years 1 month ago

Sounds like a fair deal, but we’d need an extension. I’d much rather give up Minor and a position prospect (Pastornicky) then Teheran or Delgado.

coreybishop
3 years 1 month ago

 Unless you sign Greinke for us, you’re not getting Teheran. Why should we give you our top prospect for signing a guy your team failed to close the deal on? :)

And either way, you won’t be getting Julio Teheran. We have better ways of finishing a deal.

DK8
3 years 1 month ago

Why would it make sense for Greinke to negotiate an extension 4 months before FA?  That just seems like bad business.

Brv Rocks
3 years 1 month ago

You’re high if you think you are getting all of those players.  The trade might be Teheran, Gilmartin or Spruill, Bethancourt and Pastornicky.  That’s four of the Braves top ten prospects, including #1.  There’s no way they give up Teheran AND Delgado AND Graham.

3 years 30 days ago

Gallardo not in that rotation anywhere?

rundmc1981
3 years 1 month ago

That was in addition to Teheran. Minor/Pastor would be supplement to the deal. I’d rather give Minor/Pastor up than Delgado.

rundmc1981
3 years 1 month ago

Bethancourt?! What? That’s the first time I’ve seen his name mentioned in any scenario. Yes, Bethancourt still has some maturing to go, but he’s the highest-rated position player in our system – and with the beleaguered McCann looking older and his pending free agency coming closer, we need to know if Bethancourt is the answer or not. His being ready could affect our offer to McCann (personally, I want McCann to walk).

coreybishop
3 years 1 month ago

 He has SOME Talent, but nothing compared to what McCann is. Most scouts I’ve read have said he’s nothing more than a backup. An excellent, advanced version of Brayan Pena, as an example 😛 McCann is franchise, he won’t be walking. He’s the face of the Braves.

DK8
3 years 1 month ago

 If you’re expecting more than one top tier and one middle tier prospect for Greinke, I think you’re going to be disappointed with the return.

DK8
3 years 1 month ago

 Exactly. The only way he signs an extension in-season is if a) it is for market value (which ATL can’t afford), or b) his values don’t match up with any other FA ever.

If it was the average person making this decision, they’d be trying to balance the total package (winning, comfortable environment, money, etc.).  Money is going to be the primary consideration–Greinke might take a $10-15 million discount on his next contract, but the discount isn’t going to be $50 million, even if the team agrees to play their home games in the back yard of the house he grew up in.

DK8
3 years 1 month ago

 That may be, but with the change in CBA, I can’t see any team offering more than the equivalent of Teheran + Spruill without being able to negotiate an extension.  If that’s the case, ATL is probably not a fit for all the reasons you and I have already mentioned.

Brv Rocks
3 years 1 month ago

Those trades were done under the old CBA.  As the agreement is now, the new team can’t get draft picks if the player leaves for free agency.  You might need to think more along the lines of the Carlos Beltran deal from last summer.  They received one top prospect for him….that’s it.

Brv Rocks
3 years 1 month ago

Since Greinke is a rental, yes.  If he is a sign-and-trade then most people would probably be ok with it.

3 years 1 month ago

Teheran and Minor not without a extension they won’t