Braves Notes: Greinke, Liriano, Chipper

With nearly 81 games in the books, the Braves signed Ben Sheets to a minor league deal earlier today as the team hopes he can help bolster its rotation in the second half of the season. Here's the latest from Turner Field…

  • Look for Atlanta to join the pursuit of Zack Greinke's services if the team can secure him long term for closer to $15MM per season than $20MM, tweets David O'Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. Greinke, 28, is enjoying a strong season in his second year with the Brewers after being acquired from the Royals in December 2010. The right-hander has posted a 2.82 ERA with 9.0 K/9 and 1.9 BB/9 through 16 starts.
  • The Braves were among a series of teams scouting Francisco Liriano today during his start against the Royals, reports Phil Mackey of (via Twitter). While Liriano failed to turn in a quality start on Sunday, the former All-Star has improved his performance each month of the season thus far. The 28-year-old signed a one-year, $5.5MM deal with the Twins in January and will be an unrestricted free agent after the 2012 season.
  • Count Bryce Harper among Chipper Jones' supporters for his bid to be added to the National League All-Star roster through the Final Vote competition, writes Mark Zuckerman of The 19-year-old rookie, who is competing with Jones for a spot on the team, said that a future Hall of Famer should be able to go to the All-Star Game during his last season. "If I was going to make a vote, I'd go vote for Chip."

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  1. tomymogo 3 years ago

    Just gained a lot a respect for Bryce with that comment, and he is right

    • Natsfan89 3 years ago

       I don’t know why people are surprised by this. The kid has been nothing but class his entire time in the bigs and anybody who says he has an attitude problem hasn’t been paying attention.

      His coaches say he’s great, his teammates say he’s great, the people who work at the places he frequents in Pentagon City say he’s great. That kiss blowing incident was overblown.

      • Phillies_Aces35 3 years ago

        In fairness to the Harper haters, that’s not the ONLY incident.

        I’ve warmed up to him. Watching him play, he reminds me of a young Chase Utley in terms of their hustle and all out approach to the game.

      • tomymogo 3 years ago

        Well the kid had a history you know, he finished high school a year early so he could go in the draft faster, he had that incident in which he sent a kiss to the pitcher after hitting a homer(I later found out the pitcher taunted him), and just too much media attention, made me think he was a punk or something.

        But gotta say he has been a class act all year, handled the Cole Hamels situation beautifully, and making comments like he just made about Chipper deserving to be in his last allstar game like Cal Ripken.

        He has changed my mind

        • Why would you think he was a punk for finishing school early? Whats wrong with that?

          • tomymogo 3 years ago

            I just thought he was too arrogant, had that impression, but he has been top notch since he got to the big league’s.

    • Hope Chipper Makes it to the All-Star game. He’s had a VERY consistent career and will be a future Hall of Famer. Bryce, if he’s not already recieving help from Public Relations, should rebuild his reputation, as he will be the one of the BIG faces of the franchise for years to come. There’s something about his aura that reeks of success. Between him and that rotation, I see Harper in line for great things… just let Jones enjoy his farewell tour with the Braves.

      • rundmc1981 3 years ago

        I love Chipper, but he hasn’t earned an All-Star selection this season. He hasn’t played in enough games to do so. Harper has missed all but 2 games in the 1st month of the season (April) and still compiled almost 75 ABs more than Chipper.

        I’ve never liked the idea of voting in a player based on their careers and not their seasons. Many a seasons Griffey Jr. should not have gone to the All-Star Game. Chipper has had his share (7) of All-Star appearances, how ’bout we honor his career with a Hall of Fame vote and not an All-Star vote that really won’t mean much.

        • Tim Wilde 3 years ago

          DISAGREE …. I HATE that they do vote based upon the first half …as if THAT makes a player an all-star… good half! A TRUE all star is someone that has done it for complete seasons and for more than one complete season …not some rookie that performs well for a couple of months! :)

    • coolstorybro222 3 years ago

      yeah it’s disturbing La Russa didn’t even pick him as a bench player. 

  2. Hannibal8us 3 years ago

    Wow I know I haven’t been following baseball in awhile, when I was like “holy crap” I had forgotten all about Ben Sheets and was wondering what had happened to him.

  3. I know ones a lefty (Liriano) and the other a righty (Jurrjens) but aren’t they both on the same boat (struggling). So why are they Braves scouting him?

    Plus, who do the Braves have to trade with the Brewers. The Brew Crew are looking for a shortstop all they (imo), so how exactly are they a good fit to get a trade done here?

    • tomymogo 3 years ago

      Pastornicky or Nick Amhed. Simmons is untouchable

      • nm344 3 years ago

        Yeah  the Braves will probably have to also include someone like Teheran to swing Grienke.

        • undocorkscrew 3 years ago

          If an extension can be worked out, I’d be fine with sending Teheran/Pastornicky/Salcedo to the Brew Crew. That should easily get it done.

  4. tomymogo 3 years ago

    Well Matt Garza, what is it gonna take Cubs

  5. Don’t really know what I hope the Braves do pitching-wise.  I like the Sheets signing.  I don’t expect anything to come from it, but at worst you just wasted some AA starts and an insignificant amount of payroll.  At best he contributes as either a back-end starter or reliever, so there’s really no downside to it. 

    I kinda like Liriano because the past performance and buying low, but that BB/9 is absurd and the team as a whole already struggles with that, and if Liriano doesn’t stop walking people then he isn’t really an upgrade.

    Grienke and Garza would both be big upgrades but cost multiple good prospects, which the team (and a lot of our fans) are soiling their pants in fear of doing ever since Teixeira.  Ideally, I hope they trade for Greinke if they decide to  make a move.  If you’re gonna make a push, at least be serious about it.  As long as it’s not more than one “untouchable” plus a second-tier guy or two (and no Simmons) I’d be ok with it.  The team can hit and play defense, they just can’t get more than three decent starts in a row from their pitching.

  6. NYBravosFan10 3 years ago

    The only pitcher I’d be willing to give up Teheran for is Greinke. If the Brewers need a shortstop they could also consider Salcedo or Lipka. Lipka has been playing more outfield and Salcedo is learning 3rd base but they both have a SS history. And I mean shortstop, I don’t think they were Nazi’s

  7. burnboll 3 years ago

    Actually, I think St Louis may be the team where Liriano ends up next year on a two or three year contract worth around 6 mil a year. 2+1 option maybe?

  8. PWNdroia 3 years ago

    Francisco Liriano has got to be one of the most overrated pitchers in baseball.

    • vtadave 3 years ago

      Who is he overrated by? I haven’t really heard anyone say that he’s an ace or even a #3…

      • PWNdroia 3 years ago

        Well, I’ve heard it in the past.  The fact that he’s even a credible trade piece has left my interpretations that he’s overrated.

  9. coolstorybro222 3 years ago

    welp, lets get Jason Vargas. 

    • undocorkscrew 3 years ago

      I’m sad that they’re even scouting Vargas.

  10. tomymogo 3 years ago

    Let’s be realistic here, I’m sure Braves can work out a deal with the Brewers without including Delgado, Teheran, or Simmons, because they are deep at SS prospect and have other pitching prospects. That is no the issue here, the issue is that you’re not gonna give up quality players like Gilmartin, Minor, Graham, Spruill, Salcedo, Amhed, Pastornicky, Bethancourt, Gattis, etc for 3 month’s of Greinke.

    You need to sign him long term. Cain got a huge deal that drove Greinke’s price up a lot, making 20 million per year a realistic target for Greinke. Now the Braves have a crappy TV deal for the next 20 years, rank 14th or 15th in attendance in MLB which is exactly on the middle, and the largest average annual value thay have ever given to a player was Chipper Jones back in 2000 when they gave him a 6 year 90 million dollar deal that’s 15 mill/yr same as Derek Lowe made in his time in Atlanta.

    So no I don’t think the Braves will pay a player 20 mill per year, at least not in the next 20 years.

    Go for Garza who is not as good as Greinke but is under team control for 9.5 million this year and guessing maximum 12 million next year.

    Having a rotation like this for the second half is what I want:
    SP Matt Garza
    SP Tim Hudson
    SP Tommy Hanson
    SP Ben Sheets
    SP Jair Jurrjens

    • Natsfan89 3 years ago

       I have a feeling that if Ben Sheets was able to contribute at the major league level it wouldn’t have taken him so long to find a job.

  11. Suh Girls One Cup 3 years ago

    I’d like to see Greinke in a Braves uni, but not at the expense of Simmons and/or Teheran.

  12. I think I’m satisfied with Hudson/Hanson/Sheets/Jurrjens/Youngster right now. If Sheets pans out, which we should know before the deadline, I really don’t think we need another starter to win.

    Redmond and Teheran have not been given fair chances and Medlen is still an option. I wouldn’t be surprised if Delgado figures out what’s wrong with himself soon either. We have SO MUCH quality pitching, Fredi just refused to worry the team by adjusting the rotation too much.

  13. tomymogo 3 years ago

    I think Greinke has the value to get paid 20 mill per yr, but his history with his anxiety issues must be concerning for big markets like New York, Philadelphia, Boston, Chicago, and Los Angeles

  14. skidlee23 3 years ago

    By who? The big clubs are not going to pay him 20+ mill a year. The risk is to high and they have other needs/FA’s of their own to worry about.

    I could see the O’s throwing alot to him. Other then that I just don’t see his market being large.

  15. Colin Christopher 3 years ago

    Greinke has said before that he isn’t worried about money. I have to assume that he knows he’ll make more than he can ever spend no matter where he goes, and going to Atlanta would give him all the benefits of living in a big city with none of the drawbacks of living in one of those pressure-cooker media markets. He also might like living closer to Florida, where he and his wife both grew up.

  16. LazerTown 3 years ago

    I am figuring someone may pony up but I don’t think he deserves much more than 16M.  Some years he is dominant: 2009/2012.  But in many other years his era is around 3.5-3.8  hardly worth that money.  18M + to me is what the elite pitchers make.  Compare greinke to hallady, their best years are about the same, but halladay is much more likely to dominate in any given year.  Compare to anyone else.  Plus he has never been very good pitcher on the road.

  17. J Hayes 3 years ago

    I see Greinke taking a slight discount to play for Atlanta. They’ll have to work out the trade first, which I don’t really see Atlanta being able to do. But he’s a Braves homer and who wouldn’t want to play for their favorite team? Even major leaguers are still fans. 

    As you said somewhere else, when you’re banking on multi-million dollar checks every year, what’s the REAL difference between 18 and 20 million? 

  18. burnboll 3 years ago

    I think a lot of teams like what they see in Greinke, but he seems to be a bit complicated, and investing 20 millions in a guy that could be up and down for 6+ years would be a disaster.

    St Louis won’t be in on Greinke, they’re never in on guys who are expensive. They know to spend their money more wisely.

    Although I think St Louis would be the best fit, if Greinke would get a really long contract, like 8 years, that would be a solid place for him to play.

    Toronto would probably be a good organisation too, and that’s where I think he’ll end up unless Yankees decides Greinke can play with them.

    Toronto have plenty of other sports, and baseball players are always second to hockey players in that town.

    So it’s a good place for a player who have trouble with anxiety. You kind of goes unnoticed at times.

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  21. ByronTheGreat 3 years ago

    over blown… look at AJ Burnett… small market has made him look better… he blew in NYC….. 

  22. tomymogo 3 years ago

    Milwaukee isn’t a big market.

    When the media is on top of you like it is in New York and Boston it’s a different story

  23. LazerTown 3 years ago

    2010: 4.17
    2011: 3.83
    2012: 2.82

    Greinke is a good pitcher but history has shown him to be inconsistent.  Cain has been an ace over the past 3 years, whereas greinke has been very good 1 year, but the rest would be equal to a #3 starter. He would get torn apart if he signed for 20M and his era was 4.00

  24. ea19 3 years ago

    The media attention is nothing like NYC though!! There is no comparison

  25. notsureifsrs 3 years ago

    ERA: analysis complete

  26. Colin Christopher 3 years ago

    You could argue that Cain would not be considered as good if he wasn’t pitching in a park that has pretty consistently ranked as one of the worst parks for scoring runs for the last three years, while Greinke has been pitching in KC and Milwaukee, both of which have ranked in the upper half of the league for hitters for the last three years.

  27. skidlee23 3 years ago

    Ok you guys know everything. But I bet Grienke isn’t a yankee or a red sox next season.

  28. coolstorybro222 3 years ago

    Yeah, but they would have to include another veteran to make the braves budge on Simmons. If they do ask for Simmons, I hope Wren laughs in their face.

  29. tomymogo 3 years ago

    Take the Josh Beckett incident for example. The guy played golf, and the media burned him for playing golf when he was in doubt for his next start which he made and got hammered. 

    First question was, Did you play poorly because you playde golf in you’re off day? I mean come on, John Smoltz played golf a bunch of times and he was injured a lot, and no one made a big deal, but in Boston it’s a big deal, because everything you do, be it good or bad, is public knowledge.

    Another example. Boston had beer and chicken on the club house, which I guarantee isn’t the only club house in baseball that has it. It was such a big deal, they actually attributed to being one of the reasons of their epic collapse in September, and ended up firing Terry Francona because of it.

    Big Papi is tired of it, he says he is considering not returning to Boston just because of the media. So yes it’s a totally different deal to play for the Brewers than it is to play for the Red Sox, and I don’t think they should sign him.

    Yankees are “not in on him” because of that, they don’t think he is capable of handling the New York media, and he wouldn’t be the first one who isn’t capable.

  30. tomymogo 3 years ago

    Could be, but are you ready to invest 20 mill per year on it?

  31. skidlee23 3 years ago

    I also said in my original post about how they have other needs to worry about.

    Yanks can’t afford cano, granderson, and grienke

  32. I think there’s a better chance that it’s because Greinke wouldn’t go there even if it meant less money.

  33. andrewchet 3 years ago

    sign bourn long term. nuf’ said.

  34. LazerTown 3 years ago

    Cain definetely has splits but he is still a dominant pitcher on the road.  Greinke has an era above 4.00 on the road the last 3 seasons.

    Also Cain’s era+ over his career is better, and has a better era+ over the past 3 years.

  35. TheGreatHambino 3 years ago

    I agree we Braves fans, as any team’s fans, overvalue our prospects. However, we still need to be realistic and remember the context of any possible deal; that means looking at both sides’ perspectives (after all, doesn’t any GM want to “win” a trade? so no, Minor + Pastornicky will probably not get a done, sorry fellow Braves fans).

    Nonetheless, let’s remember if a trade happens it will be considered for only a 3-month rental Greinke, as an extension is not guaranteed to the receiving team. Therefore, the price of multiple top prospects (i.e. Teheran and/or Simmons + other prospects, as some fans on the other side of the spectrum have called for) is probably too high. To be fair, the Brewers are in the driver’s seat and can set those demands (especially in this thin market). Still, when an overall #40 prospect for rental Beltran was seen as an overpay, many GMs will be unwilling to pay the high cost. Yes, Greinke is an ace with Cy Young potential, but the Brewers would probably at least strongly consider more reasonable deals if that’s all teams approach him with (but competition will drive his price tag up unless Hamels becomes available- different discussion). 

    For instance, back to the comment at hand, Pastornicky does not have the ceiling of Simmons, at least at this point, but he is a ML ready SS with potential to be an everyday guy. How many draft prospects pan out to be even that? Also, although Minor is struggling mightily so far in the bigs, he has decent upside with ML experience. Now, again I’m in no way saying those two would get it done (especially after their stock fell), but they could be seen as valuable pieces in a trade (Delgado/Minor + Pastornicky/Ahmed/Lipka/Salcedo/you name it + Spruill/etc. ATL pitching prospects). A related MLBTR article stated that MIL may ask for ML ready players rather than low-level/high potential prospects in a Greinke deal. Furthermore, don’t forget that MIL’s farm is in a small famine after the Sabathia, Greinke, and Marcum trades, to name a few – they’re looking to replenish it and may only need one “top” prospect packaged with several others to at least fill the ranks. 

    As a Braves fan hungry for an ace, I would be willing to part with Teheran, only if we got an extension afterwards. However, I’m much less willing to give up Simmons, who is more valuable to the Braves than Teheran at this point given his stellar play in the bigs so far, besides the fact SS has been a black hole for ATL for years (so no, we wouldn’t trade an integral part of our everyday lineup, creating a major defensive and offensive hole just to solidify an ailing/underperforming rotation). He’s as much a part of the team now as Heyward, Freeman, and Kimbrel will be for years to come. If MIL will only give Greinke to ATL if they receive Simmons as part of a deal, then they are passing an opportunity to get several solid ML-ready players and decent upside prospects in return (i.e. Delgado, Ahmed/Lipka/Pastornicky, Terdoslavic/Drury/Cunningham, Gilmartin/Spruill/etc.).

    But you’re right, ATL has been in a sort of mini-rebuild mode the past few years as far as Wren is concerned. In other words, we’ve tinkered with our roster with a few deals here & there but continued to subconsciously maintain we’ll really “go for it” in another year or two (i.e. once Teheran/name a prospect) reaches the bigs/fills their potential. We are good but never great/the best, at least not consistently enough (partly player/managing problem, partly personnel deficiencies). It’s time Wren shows he cares about the fans, instead of going through the recycle bin again (poor ownership issue is another topic). I just hope we go for a TRUE impact starter. Greinke is obviously atop the list, Garza MAYBE but the cost from Epstein would be too much probably; and not Dempster/Vargas who are hardly difference makers IMO – would you want them facing Gio/Zimmerman/Strasburg or Lincecum/Cain/Bumgarner in a possible NL series, let alone what AL rotations would be like in a WS? No team would take those matchups. Here’s to Wren making another truly beneficial deal at a reasonable-to-low cost (i.e. magic pulled to get Uggla and Bourn from FLA/HOU).

  36. Braves have one of the top farm systems, I think the fans have the right to over value them.  Elvis Andrus, Neftali Feliz, Brian McCan, Jeff Francouer, Jason Heyward, Craig Kimbrel, Brandon Beachy, Tommy Hanson, and Matt Harrison.  I wonder why their fan base is over valuing and getting excited about upcoming prospects.

  37. undocorkscrew 3 years ago

    Did he indicate that he’s ‘so in love’ with those prospects? He just said that it’s not a good idea for a team with financial issues to trade off young talent for a rental and said that he’d be fine with it assuming an extension can be worked in the deal……

    Regardless of what you think about Braves fans overvaluing their prospects, they do have the pieces to land Grieinke. It’s just not going to happen unless they can extend him, that was the point of tomy’s post…..

  38. undocorkscrew 3 years ago

    And really? Have you never heard from Kansas City’s fanbase?

  39. rundmc1981 3 years ago

    I agree that we (ATL) do overvalue them, but it’s mostly because we give them more of a chance than most teams to succeed, so we’ll benefit more from them. But you can’t lessen the impact of the Tex deal. We lost 3 All-Stars in that deal (Andrus, Feliz, Harrison (AS this year)), not including someone (Salty) that’s playing like an AS this year for BOS. When you consider we also gave up the opportunity to for 2 draft picks as compensation when we traded Tex to LAA rather than keep him and let him bolt during free agency, it just hurts. Then, when you realize that’s what LAA did and used those 2 picks (#25 overall, #40 overall) on Everyone’s All-American: Mike Trout and P Tyler Skaggs (centerpiece of the Haren deal), then it becomes unforgettable. 

  40. Suh Girls One Cup 3 years ago

    Uh, pretty sure every Braves fan would ecstatic if all it took to get Greinke was a package around Minor and Pastornicky. That’s not the problem.

    If the Brewers are going to ask for Teheran and Simmons, then that is.

    You’re off your rocker if you don’t think Kimbrel, Freeman, Venters, Heyward, Simmons, and Delgado have panned out (all of whom have been brought up within the last three seasons).

    The Braves have a great system that consistently produces MLB talent. Braves fans like their prospects because, for the most part, they DO pan out.

  41. Sage 3 years ago

    I liked this, not necessarily because I agree on all your points, but because I want to thank you for taking the time to write such a detailed and well thought-out comment.

    I’ve been one of the Brewer fans calling for Simmons to be included, but I realize that’s a pipe dream. However, we all know Doug Melvin would be stupid to not ask for Simmons. Start as high as you can go, then come down in the talks.

    I have heard that we might be looking for ML-ready players as opposed to prospects, as well. This, I assume, is to extend our current window for winning with players like Corey Hart, Rickie Weeks, Yovani Gallardo, et cetera. I didn’t like this idea originally, but I’m starting to come around to the idea of acquiring young, controllable ML players in our trades at the deadline as opposed to a load of prospects. Now, we do need to get some prospects as part of these deals, because our farm system, as you mentioned, is quite desolate at this point because of our previous buyers moves.

    That said, I’m not a huge fan of Pastornicky. It seems to me like he’s fairly challenged, both offensively and defensively. He may have potential, but seeing as he was demoted in favor of Simmons, I question his actual ML readiness. I do see that he has potential to hit, looking at his minor league numbers, but perhaps he was rushed to the Majors and it messed with him a bit. I seriously want no part of Mike Minor, also. Delgado would be a nicer piece, as far as ML-ready pitching goes.

    If the Brewers were to accept a package of Pastornicky, Delgado, Lipka, and Spruill, or something along those lines, the least I can say is that I would not be upset with it. I think a better package would probably be out there, but Pastornicky and Delgado would probably both be ready for next year, with Lipka and Spruill adding a couple nice pieces to the farm system.

  42. TheGreatHambino 3 years ago

    Thanks, and I agree with your points about the Braves offerings and that Melvin should still try for the best. If TEX is more interested in Greinke than Hamels, then they will have much more to offer and line up better it seems. Who knows though, maybe your Brew crew will  go on a hot streak and not trade him at all, especially with two wildcard spots it seems more than half each league is looking to buy this year.

  43. A well thought out and reasonable post…

    The hurdle in getting Greinke is that while he’s just a three-month rental for the receiving team, he’s still worth two high draft picks for the Brewers. Those draft picks are much harder to come by than in years past, so they’re also more valuable.

    I think your package is pretty reasonable, but I see three of the four going in the deal. Four guys, two of which are or nearly are ML-ready, is a bit rich in balancing the rental part of the equation.

    Most fans will shy away from Minor, and I think he doesn’t move simply because of his current troubles. But he’s still going to have five years of control and he’s going to figure out how to pitch effectively out of the stretch at some point. His 2012 bases empty – runners on – RISP split is just depressing at this point, but it would be wise for a team to snag him while his value is low.

    In the end, a Delgado + Pastornicky + Minor deal would probably be the best move for the Brewers, as Minor would have commanded and still should command the top or second spot in that deal. It’s also better than if you were to sub Lipka or Spruill into Minor’s spot.

    It would be a hard pill for the Braves to swallow, but I think it gets the job done. I think they would be highly motivated to extend Greinke long-term given that package, lessening the fans outcry out of trading prospects.


  44. LazerTown 3 years ago

    “cause he really didnt care because his team was so bad”

    what a team player.

  45. Jeff 3 years ago

     I’d rather have Bourn than Grienke.

  46. LayerCake 3 years ago

    Really? Cause I’m pretty sure most teams would take Minor for free.

  47. undocorkscrew 3 years ago

    I hate this place sometimes…..

    Assuming an extension can be worked out, I’d feel comfortable giving up Teheran/Pastornicky/Salcedo. I think that could get it done.

  48. tomymogo 3 years ago

    Minor yes, Delgado/Teheran/Simmons no. Are there other good prospects other than them yes.

  49. undocorkscrew 3 years ago

    It’s just beat-reporter jibber jabber. I think the Braves, despite financial issues, wouldn’t even bother checking in if they could only spend $15M per. I think they can get creative enough to extend him if they truly wanted the guy.

    So don’t be sorry for whatever you’re saying you’re sorry for. Right now your word is as good as O’Brien’s.

  50. rundmc1981 3 years ago

    Does it hurt that he’s treating MIL like KC? Rejection can be a cruel beast.

  51. undocorkscrew 3 years ago

    Pastornicky? Ahmed? La Stella can probably handle SS.

  52. undocorkscrew 3 years ago

    Oh no!!!!!!

  53. rundmc1981 3 years ago

    And people, it’s Kelly Kapowski, not Kelley.

  54. Scottage Cheese 3 years ago

    Toronto is in Canda-da…no comparison. 

  55. Casor_Greener 3 years ago

    Toronto is more like Houston than New York.

  56. BooJays33 3 years ago

    i know as a jays fan every prospect we have is going to become the next rickey henderson, matt kemp or roy halladay.  book it!

  57. tomymogo 3 years ago

    What I mean is, if you’re the Yankees are you ready to risk losing 20 million for a guy suffering anxiety attacks.

  58. You’re not much of a Braves fan if you’d vote for Harper over Chipper.

  59. Sage 3 years ago

    The thing that thoroughly worries me about Minor is my previous experience with a supposedly very talented left-handed starter. Manny Parra. It seems to me like Minor is having a lot of issues, just like Parra, and the last thing we would want in a Greinke trade is another Parra. If Minor could work out his issues and become the pitcher he was previously, he would be a very nice piece. But looking at it, I’m just very worried that acquiring Minor would just be getting a younger Parra — a talented lefty who can’t put it together.

    That said, Delgado + Pastornicky + Minor would probably be a fair deal. I think I’d rather get a couple of prospects over Minor if I’m the Brewers, simply to restock the farm system, but this could definitely be a good deal if Minor puts it together.

    Again, I feel like some other team may be able to offer a better package, if the Brewers go the way of trading Greinke for prospects. But, if the Brewers go the way of trying to get ML-ready players to help next year, I’m not sure there will be a better package out there than one offered by the Braves. 

  60. Sage 3 years ago

    As much as I’d like to think we can compete still this year, it may be best for the team to not compete this year and trade away Greinke. If we can send out some of our more expendable or expensive players (Greinke, K-Rod, Kottaras, Morgan) and get young guys who can help next year in return, I think it will be best. We still have a bit of a window with guys like Weeks, Hart, Gallardo, Lucroy, Ramirez, et cetera, but if we try to compete this year and fall short, we’re going to be losing guys like Greinke and K-Rod, with nothing but picks that can’t help for several years in return for them, which would probably mean a scuffling Brewers team while we still have those guys I mentioned previously. I think it may honestly be best for the Brewers to reshape a bit by trading away guys like Greinke and K-Rod to get young guys to help next year and in the future.

  61. undocorkscrew 3 years ago

    ‘Slow, tired Chipper’ might not have as many plate appearances as Harper, but what he does have is a better slash line and a higher WAR. It’s not like Chipper’s having a miserable season…..

  62. undocorkscrew 3 years ago

    JASON Heyward. Is everybody all of a sudden a massive fan of Jayson Werth for some reason?

    Heyward was great in his rookie year(age 20), more than serviceable in his injury-plagued sophomore year, and he’s having another great season this year. No point in comparing Heyward to Hinske at this point.

    As for Simmons, plenty of scouts and analysts are already saying he might be the best defensive SS in baseball, despite very little experience there as a pro. His glove will keep him a solid major-leaguer, anything he can contribute on offense is gravy. He’s got going to finish the season with a .375 wOBA or anything, but I think he can be pretty decent with the bat.

  63. Jeff 3 years ago

     Heyward was league-average in 2011 as a 21-yr old. 

  64. Jeff 3 years ago

     He’s done more then Ozzie and Cal did in their last seasons , albeit in limited PT.

  65. Jeff 3 years ago

     Yeah, Simmons is the most untouchable guy on the Braves right now, maybe even more than Heyward.

  66. Jeff 3 years ago

     good offense isn’t a given yet, I suspect this spike by Simmons won’t sustain itself, but he’ll still be a useful offensive player.

  67. J Hayes 3 years ago

    Plus, he’s a pretty big Braves fan. That has to count for something.

  68. J Hayes 3 years ago

    To be fair, except for Tommy Hanson, we haven’t had a lot of success with our home-grown pitchers in quite some time. (Startes…) And even when you look at Hanson’s numbers, he’s not quite as elite as we like to think that he is. We just need some major league average pitching right now and that would give us a huge boost. We’re currently scraping the bottom of the barrel with the rotation. If we could just get some consistency, our offense would win us enough games to keep things interesting. 

    This is just like 2008, when we had a serviceable offense but basically only two starters….If it wasn’t for Hudson and Jurrjens, we would never have one a game. 

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