Red Sox, Dodgers Nearing Blockbuster

SATURDAY, 7:52am: The deal is "pretty much done," reports Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (on Twitter). Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com reports that both Beckett and Crawford have agreed to waive their no-trade clauses while Rosenthal adds that both clubs have signed off on the medicals.

FRIDAY, 10:00pm: Crawford has the Dodgers on his partial no-trade list and the outfielder has yet to be asked to accept a trade, according to Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com (via Twitter).  It has been previously reported that Crawford can block trades to two clubs but Heyman writes that Crawford has the ability to block trades to three teams.

9:34pm: Red Sox manager Bobby Valentine says that he still expects Beckett to make his start on Saturday, tweets Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe.

9:01pm: The Dodgers are expected to pick up more than $260MM of the $271.5MM in combined salary that the Red Sox are sending to them, a source tells Michael Silverman of the Boston Herald.

6:45pm: The Dodgers have agreed to send Webster, De La Rosa, Loney, Sands, and De Jesus to the Red Sox, a source tells Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports (via Twitter).  Meanwhile, a source tells Rob Bradford of WEEI (Twitter link) not to expect a deal to be completed tonight.

6:42pm: The Red Sox have yet to secure permission from Beckett, who has 10-and-5 rights, or Crawford, who has a partial no-trade clause, a source tells Sean McAdam of CSNNE.com.  However, neither player is expected to block the deal.

6:38pm: Pitcher Allen Webster will go to the Red Sox in the trade, a source tells Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports (via Twitter).

6:15pm: The Red Sox and Dodgers are currently reviewing medical records, according to Alex Speier of WEEI.com (via Twitter).  The deal would include Rubby De La Rosa, James Loney, Jerry Sands, Ivan De Jesus, and a top prospect, according to Gordon Edes of ESPNBoston.com (Twitter link).

6:04pm: Adrian Gonzalez was scratched from the lineup and summoned from the dugout into the clubhouse along with Nick Punto, according to Alex Speier of WEEI.com (via Twitter).

5:52pm: There are two deals on the table, one mega deal involving Carl Crawford and another with just Beckett and Gonzalez, tweets Peter Abraham of The Boston Globe.

5:48pm: Though the deal may not happen in its current nine-player form, something is expected to happen, tweets Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports.

5:10pm: Dodgers minor leaguers in the trade talks have included Allen Webster, Zach Lee, Rubby De La Rosa, and Jerry Sands, tweets Bill Shaikin of the Los Angeles Times.

5:06pm: The Red Sox would receive prospects and not just salary relief if the deal happens, tweets Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports.

4:52pm: Boston would send some cash to Los Angeles if the sides complete a deal Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports reports. Morosi confirms that the sides are close to a trade (Twitter links).

4:34pm: The Red Sox and Dodgers are closing in on a trade that would send Adrian Gonzalez, Josh Beckett, Carl Crawford and Nick Punto to Los Angeles, Gordon Edes of ESPNBoston.com reports (on Twitter). Hurdles remain, but the sides continue working toward a deal.

The Dodgers recently won the claiming rights to Gonzalez and Beckett. Gonzalez can't block a trade to Los Angeles, but Beckett must approve any assignment as a player with ten and five rights. Crawford and Punto cleared waivers earlier this month and can be traded without waiver-related restrictions. 

The Dodgers have been willing to take on considerable salaries since their new ownership group gained control of the club at the beginning of the 2012 season. Adding the four Red Sox players would represent a substantial financial commitment:

  • Gonzalez will earn $21MM per season through 2016 and obtain a raise to $21.5MM for 2017-18. The total exceeds $130MM when accounting for the remainder his 2012 salary. 
  • Beckett will earn $15.75MM per season through 2014. As noted above, he must approve any trade.
  • Crawford will earn $20MM in 2013, $20.25MM in 2014, $20.5MM in 2015, $20.75MM in 2016 and $21MM in 2017. His contract allows him to block trades to two teams.
  • Punto earns $1.5MM per season through 2013.

The Dodgers claimed Cliff Lee on waivers earlier this month after trading for Shane Victorino, Hanley Ramirez, Joe Blanton and Brandon League. The Dodgers would have to place MLB players on waivers before trading them to Boston, which could complicate trade talks. 

Zach Links contributed to this post, which was originally published on August 24th.


657 Responses to Red Sox, Dodgers Nearing Blockbuster Leave a Reply

  1. reds2012 3 years ago

    Magic Johnson does it to Boston, again….

  2. Michael 3 years ago

    Alfredo Aceves in exchange for nothing. It’s an even deal and strengthens the Sox immeasurably.

  3. $6101468 3 years ago

    The ownership hit the lottery and spent their winnings on a wild spending spree..Dice….Lackey….Gonzalez….Crawford and on and on. But then reality struck home and despite all the new and shiny toys they didn’t win. Now back to some very basic stuff including the resources of their minor leagues, limiting extravagant FA’s (no Hamilton) and realizing there is no metric that can define what a Muller type brings to the table.

  4. sifjr 3 years ago

    How is this “good for baseball”, exactly? These wealthy clubs just outspend everyone else into oblivion. Perfect example for need of a salary cap.

    • nhsoxfan 3 years ago

      A salary cap would not work in Baseball the union would never approve it. Certain mid level players would earn more in Japan. Baseball players are all about money. The NBA has a cap and this season we will see ESPN and the like focus on about 5 teams all of whom will be close to or exceeding the cap.

  5. joestapes4 3 years ago

    I wonder if this offseason they will go after a first basemen… I don’t know who Youk?

    • nhsoxfan 3 years ago

      ChiSox will decline his 13m option I’m pretty sure. With A-gon out of the picture. I could see Youklis returning at say 8mil per with incentives a-la D. Jeter. We resign Loney for around 5-6m through arbitration. That gives the Sox 2 decent players at 1B for about 13-15m. As a Sox fan I don’t blame Bobby V, but he is not the man for the job. Ken Macha should be our Manager, he knows how to get a young team to play above their potential. He also has many years working in the Sox farm system.

  6. bonds2425 3 years ago

    Sox get Hamilton? I can’t figure out who they want to spend this Money on. There’s no one out there really

    • MaineSox 3 years ago

      Unless his market kind of falls apart over injury/other concerns, I don’t think they should, but whether they will or not I don’t know.

  7. withpower 3 years ago

    I lol’d at Crawford in the clean up spot.

  8. A pretty good recipe for a financial disaster too.

  9. Cody 3 years ago

    Where’d Ethier go?

  10. What does it matter if they have 100 billion dollars? Are you comfortable with ANY of these guys living up to their deals? (We havent seen Victorino’s yet) Still have to put another 20 guys on the field

  11. withpower 3 years ago

    Why not? Giving your best hitter and best base runner the most plate appearances makes a lot of sense.

  12. Odawg8 3 years ago

    to somewhere between 6th and 9th best in their lineup evidently

  13. Cody 3 years ago

    They’d keep Victorino over Ethier? (edited)

  14. John 3 years ago

    he just signed an extension….

  15. txftw 3 years ago

    ……….

  16. Even the yankees are working towards getting under the luxury tax cap. Remember these are grown men running the Dodgers. How is it financially sound to just spend and spend millions with no regard for the cap?

  17. withpower 3 years ago

    There’s nothing fantasy about it. Stacking all of your best hitters at the top of the line up will score more runs. The kind of thinking that puts guys who steal a lot of bases but get on base at a .320-.330 clip at the top of the line up is prehistoric.

  18. Cody 3 years ago

    Victorino > Ethier? I think not. If anything, both go. If one stays, I’d think it would be Andre.

  19. withpower 3 years ago

    And then you woke up and realized that Victorino and Crawford are both on the wrong side of 30.

  20. For all this talk about how financially reckless the Dodgers appear to be, lets remember that they only ACTUALLY taken on less than $50 mil in total salary as a result of the trades they have made with this new ownership group.

  21. The 29 other teams dont want to win just as bad? And what does steroids even have to do with anything? Please just stop

  22. withpower 3 years ago

    Kind of odd for you to say that. I see a lot of the best teams in baseball running out guys who hit for power at the top of their line up.

  23. Karkat 3 years ago

    First base is a deep position, and $21million is a lot of money.

  24. Beckett has been awful this year, Crawford just had Tommy John and Gonzalez is having a down year by his standards. How does this even guarantee the Dodgers a playoff spot? Let alone a ring

  25. withpower 3 years ago

    It’s not necessarily about having the “best” hitter in the 1 one hole. It’s having a power hitter at the top of the line up. The Yankees with Jeter [average power, above average OBP] in the 1 with Swisher and Granderson being in the 2. The Red Sox with Pedroia. White Sox replacing Beckham in the 2 spot with Youkilis.

    If you had Gonzalez and Ethier on the team, moving Kemp to the 1 or 2 makes some sense. To act like it doesn’t, when the guy is a legitimate 40-40 player, is silly.

  26. cookmeister 3 years ago

    Angels, Marlins (yes Reyes over Stanton), arguably the Yankees (although Cano probably takes that crown), maybe Boston and KC

  27. Ben_Cherington 3 years ago

    They are with league approval

  28. lmao fugazi (sisters to be named later)

  29. lyndsay123 3 years ago

    I hear Khloe is a beast on the basepaths.

  30. withpower 3 years ago

    Well.. he’s a defensively challenged “speed guy” who doesn’t walk, has had problems with his wrist dating back multiple seasons, saw his stolen base totals cut by more than half in 2011, and he just had Tommy John surgery.

  31. withpower 3 years ago

    Stay classy, Mike Reeder Harris.

  32. APNDaveR 3 years ago

    I disagree. The craziest thing ever was that Toronto was able to move Vernon Wells and Alex Rios off their payroll.

  33. dc21892 3 years ago

    To get who though? Overpay for Greinke? There isn’t a big FA class and then trades are unlikely since teams aren’t willing to part with big time players. This is an awful day. They should pull Gonzo back and just let Beckett walk. I know it’ll be nice to be freed up from Crawford but is it worth losing Gonzo?

  34. thegrayrace 3 years ago

    If it is only Adrian Gonzalez, sure. If Crawford and Beckett are included, the Sox are paying something.

  35. the_show 3 years ago

    Their payroll won’t fall enough for them to lose the number 1 spot

  36. saidin09 3 years ago

    When LA picks up the rest of the Sox roster , they might make number 1…lol

  37. vtadave 3 years ago

    I thought Brook Jacoby had retired?

  38. Tko11 3 years ago

    Felix Hernandez for Ellsbury

  39. MaineSox 3 years ago

    De La Rosa is huge value. Sands isn’t anything to sneeze at either.

  40. notsureifsrs 3 years ago

    wouldn’t be difficult or surprising for beckett to find his form in the NL and return to being at least a #2. crawford is a great player with a bad contract. gonzalez is a phenomenal overall player with a good contract

    if you ignore the money, the talent going to LA is enormous. really not a good idea to ignore the money, though

  41. vtadave 3 years ago

    Still a ridiculous statement. Of course he’s hitting the ball. Very well in fact.

  42. MaineSox 3 years ago

    And you didn’t even mention Punto!!

  43. Gumby65 3 years ago

    That’s finding a random fleer card under the bed right there….

  44. NYPOTENCE 3 years ago

    That’s where you’re wrong the Red Sox still have a couple of stars that could still lead this club next year. (Lester, Pedroia, Ellsbury, and Ortiz)

  45. dc21892 3 years ago

    Only one of the players has contributed significantly over the last two years so if anything they have to worry more. Boston will have more freed up money & better prospects to land whoever they want.

  46. Redsox7 3 years ago

    When you mean a couple do you mean 2014 and we are ahead of the Jays

  47. notsureifsrs 3 years ago

    de la rosa

  48. start_wearing_purple 3 years ago

    He looks to be a bright part of this trade for the Sox but I’d be happier if Lee was added.

  49. notsureifsrs 3 years ago

    reserving judgement overall until the details are finalized, but so relieved right now that de la rosa is in the deal. that’s exciting

  50. Tko11 3 years ago

    Youd think this trade would change their stance on Ellsbury…

  51. MaineSox 3 years ago

    He’s not defensively challenged, he was one of the best defenders at his position for nearly a decade, and Boston’s left field does all kinds of screwy things with defensive metrics.

  52. Gumby65 3 years ago

    Then good, thanks for that.

  53. Its all 4

  54. start_wearing_purple 3 years ago

    At this point might as well just wait to see the final tally.

  55. notsureifsrs 3 years ago

    the more the merrier, but i’d genuinely prefer de la rosa by himself than lee+someone else without de le rosa

  56. Tko11 3 years ago

    There is still one top prospect involved supposedly.

  57. thegrayrace 3 years ago

    De La Rosa is better than Lee.

  58. Tko11 3 years ago

    Looks like Webster will be involved as well.

  59. dc21892 3 years ago

    Get it done. May as well trade everyone this offseason.

  60. MaineSox 3 years ago

    Re-sign Ellsbury maybe? Hamilton, Swisher, Napoli, Anibal Sanchez, trade for players?

  61. ThinkBlue10 3 years ago

    De la Rosa is a freaking stud!

  62. thegrayrace 3 years ago

    Probably average with the bat. I figure he’ll probably be a .290 hitter or so. He needs to work on his bunting, and draw more walks. He could easily lead the league in stolen bases for years once he develops better on base skills. Above average defensively. Incredible range. Great arm.

    Yes, he was having an awful year before his injury, but it is far too soon to write him off.

  63. notsureifsrs 3 years ago

    for sure. you guys are getting a ton of talent in this deal though and have the money to pay for it

    on the whole, this is a very good day for the dodgers

  64. Tko11 3 years ago

    You can use your advanced stats all you want but are you watching the same guy right now?

  65. nhsoxfan 3 years ago

    idk but he will go down with Bake McBride as MLB Legend

  66. That he picked the manager over the players trying to effect change. In addition, I’m not sure that there has ever been a blockbuster trade this late in a season.

  67. nhsoxfan 3 years ago

    Bake McBride played for the Phillies.

  68. chicothekid 3 years ago

    The same Selig that moved his team out of the AL into the NL so he could get it into a weaker division? The same Selig that went to war to get the McCourt’s out of L.A. but allows the Wilpons to ruin the Mets because they are buddies?

    I think we’ve learned that Selig does what is only in HIS best interest, not baseball’s.

  69. MaineSox 3 years ago

    Yeah, plus a guy with top of the rotation potential in De La Rosa, and their #2 prospect in Webster. Good try though.

  70. MaineSox 3 years ago

    Yeah it is. I like Webster pretty well too.

  71. Tko11 3 years ago

    Im not looking at just his last 5 starts, the guy basically had one good year and if you choose to use FIP. Then perhaps you should know that according to FIP Tim Lincecum is having a better year this year than CJ Wilson, Matt Harrison and Mat Latos.

  72. thegrayrace 3 years ago

    With Adrian Gonzalez, Hanley Ramirez, Matt Kemp, Andre Ethier and Crawford/Puig in the lineup, I can live with Gordon being average offensively. He’ll be fine batting 7th in the lineup. His defense will make up for the lack of offense.

  73. withpower 3 years ago

    He is a “speed guy” who is defensively limited to LF. He cannot play CF. He has one of the worst throwing arms in the game. Regardless of how well you play LF, if that’s the only position you can play you are defensively limited.

    So, yeah, he was a LF with good range and nothing else who is now entering his age 32 season.

  74. Tko11 3 years ago

    Not saying CJ Wilson is good (I agree with you that he is overrated as well) but FIP indicates that Lincecum is having a better year than CJ which I think we can agree on is not the case.

  75. MaineSox 3 years ago

    Crawford would be more than capable of playing CF, he just doesn’t (wouldn’t, at least in the past).

  76. withpower 3 years ago

    If he was capable, he’d be playing it.

  77. start_wearing_purple 3 years ago

    Largest amount of salary in a single trade… that’s one way to get yourself into the record books.

    I’m not happy about losing Gonzalez but dropping Beckett and Crawford gives Cherington a real chance at putting his own mark on the Red Sox. It’ll be interesting seeing what he does with that flexibility.

  78. thegrayrace 3 years ago

    Nope, certainly didn’t mean to imply superstar. Just that he’ll be the regular starting SS for many years to come. And I believe he’ll be above average for the position, but that’s certainly debatable.

  79. MaineSox 3 years ago

    That’s simply not true. He refused to in the past, and the Red Sox had a better CF already in place.

  80. Tko11 3 years ago

    He is a good pitcher but not elite. Id rather have Matt Cain who has consistently shown that FIP is an extremely flawed stat by outperforming it time and time again. While Greinke who always has a high 3s era has great FIP and has been very inconsistent throughout his career.

  81. johnsilver 3 years ago

    “he has gotten some bad luck”

    People used to say that about another pitcher I recall.. Name of Matt Young. Used to pitch just good enough to lose was his issue. your team score 4 runs? he would allow 5. Yours score 2? he would allow 3. Bad luck don’t exist, it is created.

  82. YanksFanSince78 3 years ago

    You honestly feel that way? I guess this has to be the start of a rebuild wouldn’t you agree? Unless they re-purpose that money and go after a Hamilton type in the offseason.

  83. harmony55 3 years ago

    I question whether the combined six-year Wins Above Replacement of Rubby de la Rosa, Allen Webster, Ivan DeJesus and Jerry Sands (plus the six-week WAR of James Loney) will exceed 10.0. The prospects (and former prospects) are neither highly ranked nor exceedingly young (DeJesus is 25, Sands turns 25 next month, de la Rosa is 23 and Webster 22).

  84. Dodgerbluez 3 years ago

    Agree they will have plenty of money to spend on upcoming FAs. the still have a few decent pieces in place that if they ad a few FAs they could be right back in it next year or the year after. If the deal goes down.

  85. johnsmith4 3 years ago

    Last winter, I could foresee some restructuring to accommodate emerging prospects Middlebrooks and Lavarnaway. I never imagined this.

  86. I think that Bobby V will be given another chance for 2013…as this essentially blows up the clubhouse.

  87. YanksFanSince78 3 years ago

    I think it’s one thing for management to “quasi” acknowledge Theo’s “mistakes” (even though I don’t see any w/ exception to Crawford’s contract as “mistakes”) and try to erase those off the books but it’s another to admit your own and fire Bobby V this year. I think Bobby will get a longer leash simply because he was ownership’s choice pick.

  88. crashcameron 3 years ago

    “exercise” it? you mean like lifting dead weight?

  89. YanksFanSince78 3 years ago

    I agree. I think if this goes down then it really shows who management is siding with and that’s not such a bad idea, ALTHOUGH Crawford really had nothing to do with it.

    Agonz never seemed to me to be the type to be a part of a negative situation like that but if he indeed was a vocal voice then maybe he was an issue for Bobby V. Clearly, he isn’t hitting with the same level of power and patience as he was last year but he was still having a productive year and I don’t think this year was an indication of any serious decline worthy of getting rid of him. Obviously, he was the carrot being dangled to get rid of Beckett and Crawford.

  90. I agree with most of what you said, but I think that the Red Sox really don’t want Carl Crawford around; he has done little since he signed as a free agent.

  91. YanksFanSince78 3 years ago

    How is that a disagreement? Clearly, Crawford is probably the one they want to get rid of the most, not because he’s a bad guy or not liked and not necessarily because they think he won’t be productive but certainly because he almost certainly wasn’t going to be a player worth $21 mil per year. He would have to be a 6 or 7 WAR player to justify his salary and I think that would be lofty expectations for him at this point.

  92. withpower 3 years ago

    Well, they’ve been selling their stadium out for a number of years now and haven’t put any peaceful visiting fans into a coma.

  93. start_wearing_purple 3 years ago

    As a Red Sox fan I resent that statement. I admit we have our share of hardcore jerks but we have the same as any big market.

  94. rsanchez1 3 years ago

    Well played.

  95. rsanchez1 3 years ago

    Moving $260M in salary makes the TOR deal not even a blip on the radar.

  96. rsanchez1 3 years ago

    Went back and quantified it as “some of”, instead of “the” worst.

  97. hawkny1 3 years ago

    This trade, if it goes through is being worked out in John Henry’s penthouse suite. He has to be in touch with the MLB commissioner’s office or else this would not be going public just yet. IMHO, outside of the peripheral players selected to round out the swap, this is a done deal. The Red Sox’s owner is cleaning house.

  98. thegrayrace 3 years ago

    De La Rosa > Lee.

  99. Leonard Washington 3 years ago

    According to what????

  100. thegrayrace 3 years ago

    De La Rosa isn’t a ranked prospect this season because he debuted last year, but trust me, he is better then Zach Lee. He was the Dodgers top prospect before he debuted.

    I’m a Dodger fan. I would have MUCH preferred we gave you Zach Lee. De La Rosa is a future ace. Incredible stuff. He’ll reach over 100 MPH.

  101. Christian Gutierrez 3 years ago

    It’s just the way it is.

  102. notsureifsrs 3 years ago

    everyone and everything. there’s nothing wrong with lee, but de la rosa is the better prospect

  103. Leonard Washington 3 years ago

    Guy just got back from Tommy John surgery he is far from a sure thing.

  104. start_wearing_purple 3 years ago

    Also correct me if I’m wrong but Lee is another year away from the majors but De La Rosa is likely to compete for a starting role next season.

  105. thegrayrace 3 years ago

    Well, that’s the deal with prospects. Zach Lee is far from a sure thing, as well. Compare their minor league numbers. De La Rosa was far more successful in the minors than Lee has been thus far.

    Again, as a Dodger fan, I would have preferred we gave you Lee.

  106. Christian Gutierrez 3 years ago

    Pitchers often come back better. Sometimes they don’t. But they wouldn’t be performing the surgery if it didn’t have a good success rate.

  107. thegrayrace 3 years ago

    Lee is at least a year away, perhaps even more. He hasn’t looked great in the minor leagues. De La Rosa was moved into the Dodgers starting rotation before his injury last season. He could start right away.

  108. bglaszcz 3 years ago

    I’m routinely amazed at peoples inability to detect sarcasm.

  109. thegrayrace 3 years ago

    De La Rosa was a top rated prospect before he debuted last season (he’s no longer ranked as a prospect), and Webster is the Dodgers #2 prospect behind Zach Lee. De La Rosa has ace potential. Webster is likely a middle of rotation guy.

    Sands has never been highly regarded by scouts but he’s been tearing the cover off of the ball in the PCL, leading the league in a number of offensive categories. He could definitely develop into a solid power hitter, but he’s a bit of a gamble.

    DeJesus, Jr. is a throw-in, you’re right about that one.

  110. Jacob Viets 3 years ago

    Actually with how Free Agent contracts play out, he would only have to be a 4 win player.

  111. thegrayrace 3 years ago

    De La Rosa is better than Webster. Sands has considerable upside, too.

  112. thegrayrace 3 years ago

    Ugh. De La Rosa has ace potential, the guy has hit 102 MPH on his fastball and is the centerpiece in this deal. He’s better than Lee or Webster. And Webster is the #2 prospect in the Dodgers system.

    Sands has a ton of potential. He’s been leading the PCL in most offensive categories for 2 seasons. Yeah, it may not translate to major league production, but the upside is there.

    DeJesus, Jr. is just a throw-in, though. Utility infielder at best.

  113. 123Redsox 3 years ago

    this is 110% correct

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