Red Sox, Rangers Talked Beckett, Ellsbury, Shoppach

The Red Sox and Rangers discussed a trade that would have sent Josh Beckett, Jacoby Ellsbury and Kelly Shoppach to Texas, Rob Bradford of reports. It’s unclear what the Red Sox would have obtained in the potential trade, which was discussed in the days leading up to yesterday’s non-waiver trade deadline.  

Bradford’s sources are divided on how serious talks were before the Rangers moved on and acquired Geovany Soto and Ryan Dempster from the Cubs in a pair of trades. GM Ben Cherington said the Red Sox explored a lot of options before deciding to complete one low-profile deadline deal.

"We did feel empowered to do something bold, we just didn't find something bold that made sense for us," Cherington said.

Trade talks never advanced to the point where the Red Sox asked Beckett about the possibility of waiving his ten and five rights. Beckett would have provided the Rangers with some rotation depth and Texas could have paired Shoppach with Mike Napoli behind the plate. Ellsbury, who’s under team control for 2013, would have represented insurance for the Rangers in case they don’t re-sign Josh Hamilton when he’s eligible for free agency this coming offseason.

67 Responses to Red Sox, Rangers Talked Beckett, Ellsbury, Shoppach Leave a Reply

  1. What would have been the package coming to Boston? That could have landed us Jurickson Profar, Martin Perez, and more.

    • Dynasty22 3 years ago

      That wouldn’t land you Profar and Perez, much less more.

      • Jimmy Ruderer 3 years ago

        Um no. Profar would not be a part of that deal. Throw in A-Gon and you maybe correct.

        • Dynasty22 3 years ago

          I’m not sure you read my comment correctly. I said Profar and Perez for Ellsbury, Beckett, and Shoppach wouldn’t work because that is too much for the Rangers.

    • Dylan 3 years ago

      Unless they ate all of the money, they wouldn’t have got back as much as you think. First off, Profar is untouchable for them (and rightfully so). They wouldn’t need Olt. The deal would be centered around L. Martin (to replace Ellsbury) and a pitcher (maybe Perez). Still, would have been nice for Boston to get some more young pieces to go with Middlebrooks and Buchholz.

      • MaineSox 3 years ago

        They don’t need Martin to replace Ellsbury, they have Jackie Bradley (not that they wouldn’t take him – he or Bradley could move to RF – but they wouldn’t likely be asking for him). I wonder if it would have been centered around either Andrus to open up room for Profar, or maybe Ogando to take Beckett’s place in the rotation.

        • Dylan 3 years ago

          Pretty sure Profar needs another year or two yet

          • MaineSox 3 years ago

            He’s tearing up AA right now, so I don’t think it’s by any means a stretch to say he could be up sometime next season.

      • Leonard Washington 3 years ago

        No we would have demanded Olt need or not, because Ben would have flipped him to someone else for a top pitching prospect. Leonys Martin is already 24, left handed, and trumped by a MUCH better prospect in Bradley Jr.

    • Ellsbury sure could have landed something good, but Beckett’s value seems limited – sort of like the Mike Lowell throw-in demand when the Sox got Beckett. My guess is Beckett would have done well in TX and I’m sure everyone anticipated that. Could have been a pretty good return, for sure. But I doubt it would have emptied TX’s farm system.

  2. Jim McGrath 3 years ago

    I would have been happy with David Murphy, Gentry and two top 8 prospects.

  3. JackParkman 3 years ago

    Anyone think it would have been Andrus + a couple of prospects. That would solve Red Sox SS problem and allow the rangers to bring up Profar.

    Red Sox got Jackie Bradley Jr tearing up the minors to replace Ellsbury (not this year, perhaps 2013)

    • johnsilver 3 years ago

      SS isn’t an issue either. They have multiple SS in the system and where they are loaded the most with Iglesias, Marerro, Lin,Vinicio.. Some are 2+ years away, but Iglesias is about ready. and bradley (as you posted) should be ready by 2013, with Kalish a stand in until then if needed.

      The thing the team needs and it is embarrassing (to me) is pitching, which was something they had been good at developing in years past, but have either traded away of late, or been busts, injury delays..etc..

      What IMO they should have strictly focused on was power pitching.. Tanner Scheppers, Barret Loux. They were not going to get the best of course. Focus on ones who had struggled (Scheppers) as SP, but still had the potential to be a shut down closer and Loux as a potential back end SP.

      It’s about all the Sox could have hoped to get was a pair something like that.

      • Crucisnh 3 years ago

        JS, I have to disagree with you on the SS position. Getting Andrus would have been a solid upgrade in the here and now. As for Iglesias, he’s a stiff. I call him “Belanger” Iglesias because he’s all glove and no stick. And Sox fans wouldn’t put up with that type of SS for very long. As for the others, 2+ years away is 2+ years away. 😉

        • Leonard Washington 3 years ago

          Obviously you weren’t here for the Alex Gonzalez seasons. We put up with a hole for no. 9 as good as the next fanbase.

        • TomonCapeCod 3 years ago

          Belanger played 18 years in the league and appeared in 4 world series. We should be so lucky!

          • Crucisnh 3 years ago

            That was a different era. And that sort of all glove, no bat SS just doesn’t cut it in today’s MLB, and certainly not in the AL. No team wants a black hole in its lineup (not counting NL pitchers hitting, of course).

      • Leonard Washington 3 years ago

        I agree and disagree about a few things here. Yeah we got a few solid SS prospects but none of them are all around players. Iglesias is all D, Marrero is D with a bit of pop, and Vinicio is like Lin he is a batting average solid glove type. I do agree about pitching, however I don’t think its a symptom of any major problem, but more that we tend to spend our best picks on position players. We do need to emphasize on pitching this offseason though as the new HORRIBLE system is making it hard to build up picks, and sign FA’s. As for looking at the trade directly I can see why it didn’t get done from both sides. Rangers didn’t want to overpay, and we didn’t want to sell low on our entire roster like the league seems to think we will. This proves we won’t. If we are STRONGLY contending this next season none of those guys will be available unless its at top value except Ells (AGAIN barring a freak accident, as he is hardly ever injured by anything less).

        • johnsilver 3 years ago

          A team, that generally produces as many runs as Boston can afford 1 position where offense is weak and that position (arguably needs the best glove) to save runs.

          The people I listed as targets from texas there were reasons for.. Scheppers is another Bard.. 96-100mph flame thrower with a decent curve who throws strikes, much like Bard *used to* when he was a reliever and has shut down closer written all over him.

          Loux, a back end SP candidate with 4 pitches. low 90’s and nothing special, but throws strikes. Scheppers was the key.

  4. johnsilver 3 years ago

    I have no illusions that proposed Beckett, Ells, Shoppach package would have yielded a good haul in return.. *unless* Boston paid a considerable portion of Beckett’s contract.

    Giving the Rangers 1 and a half seasons worth of Ells would have somewhat negated 35m worth of Beckett’s deal and Shoppack an above average backup catcher the rest of the season.

    Would Beckett have regained some semblance of his former self “home” at Arlington? Debatable. Home run happy stadium for sure and a fly ball pitcher who now operates in the 91-3mph range, I think he just needs a change of scenery, plus being at that location (Texas) the proper motivation for him to excel myself. He could have been a decent enough #3, though not the top of the rotation self he has been at times throughout his career again.

    Now.. Not a whole lot and not Michael Olt class, nor was anyone of that caliber even asked. The sticking point was money for Beckett and who was paying.

    I do think the Rangers should have worked hard on this one. Ellsbury is an impact player, something they could use. He does everything and certainly they won’t try to resign him after 2013, but for a season and a half he might have just given them a chance for 2 WS wins.

    • Sully65 3 years ago

      I am wondering if the deal was hinged on netfali and the elbow got in the way of the deal. It was no secret ben wants young cheap controllable pitchers.

    • Leonard Washington 3 years ago

      Probably best that we kept Ells, because barring another freak accident (someone kneeing his ribs or landing on his shoulder) he will be at top value next deadline and command a top prospect and then some. If we aren’t contending, which I think we will be considering we are about as unlucky as a club can get these past several years.

      • MaineSox 3 years ago

        Not anymore, players are considerably more valuable with a year+ of control left because of the way the new CBA works. They wouldn’t be able to get a whole lot for him next deadline, so his peak value was either yesterday, or this offseason.

  5. ChefR 3 years ago

    I just don’t understand why we couldn’t deal Shoppach.

    • M.Kit 3 years ago

      Because he’s the better defensive catcher right now

  6. ugotrpk3113 3 years ago

    Maybe this offseason. This is the type of deal I was hoping for.

    • baseball52 3 years ago

      Ellsbury is a free agent, he’s not going to sign just to get traded. He’ll sign in Texas if he wants to be there.

      • ugotrpk3113 3 years ago

        Ells is a free agent after 2013. One more year of arb.

  7. I just have a feeling Beckett will end up in Texas during the waiver period.

  8. jondogg2010 3 years ago

    I’d of done that for Hamilton straight up.

    • MaineSox 3 years ago

      What? Why? They’re not in a “win now” position and Hamilton is a free agent at the end of the season (a free agent they would be highly unlikely to re-sign). That wouldn’t make any sense at all.

      • jondogg2010 3 years ago

        Wait?! What?! Relax dude I’m a human and can voice my Opinon. Trade never happened anyways.

        • MaineSox 3 years ago


          • Ben_Cherington 3 years ago

            Lets play the “since it would never happen game”
            I trade, Schillings bloody sock to Mariners for Felix (now they have some post season history)
            I trade, Shoppach to the Dodgers for Matt Kemp.
            I trade, Lackey and Dice-K to Detroit for Verlander and Fister.
            In all honesty, I would seriously make those trades, no joke!

          • johnsilver 3 years ago

            “I trade, Schillings bloody sock to Mariners for Felix (now they have some post season history)”

            Don’t tempt me.. Now ur trying to get ME into trouble…

            Hmmmm, how to put this nicely ;-( Trade it to NY for.. Alex rodriquez.. Well.. Sort of…

          • johnsilver 3 years ago

            We gotta be careful today, maybe tomorrow also Maine. Think there is sumfin’ goin’ around. We’ll call it “post 7/31 disorder”.

            Maybe we’ll be famous for naming rights and royalty fees for naming rights?? 😉

          • MaineSox 3 years ago

            I just miss the days when you could actually disagree with people on here without them getting all butt hurt every time.

          • Crucisnh 3 years ago

            No kidding…

          • MaineSox 3 years ago

            I just miss the days when you could actually disagree with people on here without them always getting bent out of shape over it.

        • Crucisnh 3 years ago

          1. Dude? Really?

          2. So … you’re a human. I’d have never have guessed.

          3. And BTW, MaineSox is free to reply to your opinion with one of his own. It’s called a “discussion”. Maybe you’ve heard of them?

          • notsureifsrs 3 years ago

            i need clarification on this human thing

  9. MaineSox 3 years ago

    Are you serious? An .831 OPS is definitely tearing it up, especially from a SS (and especially a 19yo SS in AA); he’s been 31% better than the average hitter in his league. He’s also hit 13 home runs, not 7, and he’s walking 10.4% of the time and only striking out 14.3% of the time.

  10. notsureifsrs 3 years ago

    at age 19, in AA, for a shortstop, that is an insane level of production. 30% better than a league of much older prospects

  11. MaineSox 3 years ago

    He hasn’t played in A ball this year; all 13 home runs have come in AA. I have no idea where you are getting 7 from.

  12. MaineSox 3 years ago

    I never said this year, or to start next year, I said sometime next season and I’m thinking probably around the All Star break. Unless he struggles in AAA next year the only thing that will keep him down there is Andrus.

  13. MaineSox 3 years ago

    Holy crap man, it wasn’t there when I typed it, don’t have an aneurism.

    It’s cool that you edited your comment to take out where you said some of them came in A ball and then acted like I was the one being ridiculous though.

  14. MaineSox 3 years ago

    And do what with Kinsler?

    A large part of Andrus’ value comes from his defense, and moving him to 2B would negate that, and while his bat is good for a SS it wouldn’t be all that good for a 2B. He’d be more valuable to them in a trade then as a 2B.

  15. MaineSox 3 years ago

    I’m not picking fights, I just don’t agree with you. If you can’t handle being disagreed with it’s not my fault.

  16. MaineSox 3 years ago

    What? You said he’s hit 7 home runs this year, I said he’s hit 13 this year, you said only if you include A ball, and you were talking about last year? How does that even make sense?

    Also, he hit 12 home runs in A ball last year. 12 + 7 =/= 13

  17. MaineSox 3 years ago

    I don’t even know what you’re talking about anymore. Where did you add stats from last year and this year? You quoted this year’s triple slash line, this year’s RBIs, this year’s stolen bases, and then said you accidentally quoted his doubles instead of home runs (and it’s actually triples, he has 23 doubles – 7 triples), I don’t see anywhere that you actually added last year and this year.

  18. johnsilver 3 years ago

    Sometimes ur priceless. LOL

  19. YanksFanSince78 3 years ago

    @MaineSox:disqus @facebook-1243530009:disqus You guys are priceless.

  20. Ben_Cherington 3 years ago

    MS, your going to run off all the new guys! which might not be a bad thing!
    By the way, in case you didnt know, Ellsbury has 33 homers this yr if you include the homers from last yr. Im just saying.

  21. MaineSox 3 years ago

    The only thing I know right now is that the combination of having to try to figure out what he was talking about at the end of it, and him editing his comments so they said something completely different after I responded was giving me a headache.

  22. YanksFanSince78 3 years ago

    haha…didn’t read your comment.

  23. YanksFanSince78 3 years ago

    @facebook-1243530009:disqus are you talking to yourself so you can avoid an argument? haha.

  24. MaineSox 3 years ago

    Are you sure you don’t mean worthless? I don’t think I’ve ever been called priceless twice in one day.

  25. GoAwayNow 3 years ago

    How dare you disagree with someone on the internet. Uncalled for man.

  26. MaineSox 3 years ago

    *hangs head in shame*

  27. johnsilver 3 years ago

    The new Disquss doesn’t let you/us etc.. know when a post has been edited. **Some** will change what they posted after being corrected on a ludicrous post (as u noticed) and… Well u know…

    Some of us will put an “edit” tag below a post when we edit a topic, at least it is an effort to let everyone know we have changed something in a post, or other than spelling miscues.

    Take ur ibuprofen and hope u get over the migraine Maine…

  28. MaineSox 3 years ago

    Ha, thanks.

  29. Jason Richards 3 years ago

    Ellsbury has had one monster year and is often injured. No way would i give up Profar and Perez for basically a guy that has showed he can be good for one year, and a broken pitcher. Thats too much talent and affordability to pay for non guarantees.

  30. MaineSox 3 years ago

    No way the Rangers are giving up profar, but that doesn’t mean they couldn’t put together a package that I would jump all over for those guys.

  31. MaineSox 3 years ago

    Don’t get him going again. (did he get banned?)

  32. Leonard Washington 3 years ago

    Yeah injured by freak occurrences (Flying knees, and players landing on his shoulder) never by the natural wear and tear of his own body.

  33. MaineSox 3 years ago

    Oh, so you are still here. I only wondered because literally every one of your comments got deleted, and that doesn’t usually happen unless the person got banned.

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