Giants Discuss Hideki Matsui, Reds Like Rios

Yankees have released Carl Pavano, and re-signed him to a minor league contract according to 1050 ESPN Radio in New York.

I wonder if the Cubs can match up with Matsui. This was one of the first guys who came to mind when I read the post about the Cubs wanting a big time left handed hitter. He would be nice in between Lee and A-Ram.

I'd bet they'd take Lowry, how does the salary work though?

Seriously, the Reds have upwards of 6 outfielders, what good would it do to get Rios?

probably hennessey and lowry

MLB Inisder- I hope your right cuz the Giants trading for Matsui has the smell of a the AJ trade all over it

I go by what I hear, hey it keeps me from doing work, which I need to get back to soon--

I think the Yankees have literally no use whatsoever for Noah Lowry. I wonder if they could trade Matsui for Pie and co., and then use Pie as the last piece for Johan.

I could see why the reds would want rios, they do have an excess of outfield but they need a guy that great and that good of value to fill the spots of other outfielders that will most likely be leaving because of trades or they can use rios as trade bait because alot of teams are looking fo outfielders.

Every team has use for a starting Lefty

Why would the Giants even consider Matsui? They aren't going to contend this year, not the year after that either. I thought that when they let Bonds go, they had come to the realization that they didn't need an aging, overpaid, base-clogging, left fielder who doesn't deserve to actually play in the field. They are going to need to give up prospects to get him. Yet another indication that the Giants front office is the most backwards in baseball.

And you don't trade Lincecum! Pitching wins championships.

besides a pitcher* (in general)

I could see the Reds trying to acquire Rios because in a few years they could have OF of Hamilton, Bruce, Rios all of whom would still be fairly cheap and free up cash to go out and get a SP. Now getting Rios this year with out making another move would be tough because there is no place to play him. Maybe there could be a three team trade that looks like this

Jays get
Lincecum/cain
Hennesy

Giants get
Dunn ( if they can work out extension)
Bailey

Reds get
Rios
Listch

Jays get the pitching the looking for, Giants get a big bat, and a SP prospect back, reds get young cheaper rising star OF and a SP. Just throwing it out there, and im not a fan of any of the three teams.

Geez...we have to give up BOTH our potential Cy Young awards AND Hennessey??

Wow

I'm ok with a Lowry package for Matsui...25 HR's and 100 RBIs..

Much better than Tim for Rios

Yomouri would love to have the favorite son back. Oh wait not those Giants?

I wonder why the Reds would trade pitching when they need it most?

The Reds won't trade any pitching unless it's for another pitcher. Stop dreaming guys! As for the 3 team trade...the reds give up Bailey AND Dunn and get Rios and Listch? Yuck! That doesn't fit their needs at all!

i see the yankees taking lowry over henny. lowrys a lefty who gets out lefties. if torre was still on board, this would be a done deal. they'd have to get roberts, because, considering if they still have to onclude melke in the santana deal, they're REALLY lean in the OF. this seems like the obligatory "bad trade" the giants are good for every year.

Don't forget that there's no point in the Giants acquiring Dunn unless they signed him to an extension since after this year he is a FA.

Trading Matsui for Lowry makes no sense to this Yankee fan. He's a softball pitcher with mediocre numbers in a weak NL division (aren't they all?) Bring him to the AL East and he'll have an ERA over five. No thank you.

Natural: I thought Burnett was under 2 more years? my bad... However, if some sort of extension was done, then this would be a good trade. Sanchez is heat from the lefty position. Burnett is a great young arm, and Lind has pop in the OF.

We don't need another OF. Especially since I believe we will be signing Dunn to an extension.

Burnett's contract includes an opt-out clause after next year. That's the route to FA...

If cincinnati is going to give up votto, bailey, and encarnacion it better be for Bedard or Haren

DRamos,
I obviously know that is the case. But when the discrepancy between the quality of the prospects is so large, it must be acknowledged when comparing their value.

Matsui for CAIN? what? A 33 year old OF for a 23 year old Ace? you're insane.

"Yankees have released Carl Pavano, and re-signed him to a minor league contract according to 1050 ESPN Radio in New York."

Breaking News: In a winterball game, Carl Pavano struck out the side in the first inning. Upon entering the dugout, Shelley Duncan proceded to give Pavano a celebratory slap on the ass, and a very hard one at that. Upon contact with Pavano's buttock, it was re-injured and Pavano will be out for 12 months. This disapointing news comes just hours after the Yankees reportedly signed Carl Pavano to a 4 year, 75 million dollar minor league deal.

Umm what about this:

Giants get:

Hideki Matsui + Cash

Reds get:

Lowry/Sanchez + Hennesy

White and Marquez from the Yankees.

Yankees get:

Joey Votto + a A/AA relief arm.

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It clears the logjam in the Yankees OF and fills their 1B hole.

It gives the Giants a middle order bat that's cheap (Yankees eat a bit of the salary).

The Reds clear their 1B/OF jam and get 2-3 pitchers for their rotation/relief who're cheap.

Everyone's happy.

"The Rox"

Sox**

I doubt the Yanks take Lowry in a deal for Matsui.

Umm Zito:

The Giants give up 2 in my trade proposal:

1 of Sanchez/Lowry and Hennesy.

They get Matsui and cash (to lower the salary from... 13 mil a year to say.. 9?).

Besides... Lowry's line and trends aren't exactly promising.

The Reds would get back-end starters (Lowry, White, Marquez) and a relief arm (Hennessey).

The Yank's get a 1B.

Each team loses someone from their surplus and gains someone for their needs.

@Game555:

I don't like that deal.

A productive outfielder for a pitcher who's wet the bed both times he's been called up?

Don't the Yanks have mediocre arms?

Sanchez for Matsui? Um...Yes please.

Sanchez has shown NOTHING since he's been called up. Matsui will help the Giants not be as horrible on offense. Nice.

the yankees should trade matsui for players who then they could turn around and trade to the twins. any ideas?

Giants have Lincecum/Cain signed cheap through 2011-2012... They wouldn't put either of them in a package for Miguel Cabrera deal, it doesn't seem like one of them will go for 26 year old Alex Rios...

And you're saying Matsui and a "prospect" for one of them? Sabean interviwed today said "I don't want prospects"

So, basically, a 34 year old Matsui with 2 years left on his contract (injured the last two years)for Cain/Lincecum 23 year old Co-Ace's signed for the next 5 years?

*blanks stare*

Cain and Lincecum won't go anywhere unless its for an elite young hitter who's under control for at least 3 years. They wouldn't move one of them for Delmon Young or Miggy so there is no way they'll move one for Matsui unless that "prospect" happens to be like Ian Kennedy or Hughes, which it would never be. Lets just dismiss that whole idea.

And I'd be shocked if the Reds went after Rios unless they completely lowballed the Jays just hoping they could rip them off. Which they wont because I think the Jays are fully aware of how good Rios is.

I doubt that Matsui would waive his no trade clause. I like Matsui and do believe he is way better than Damon but would agree to this deal for Lowhry. The Yankees need a left hander in their rotation and he is only 27. The problem is that Lowhry had a 4.00 ERA in the NL that would translate to a 4.60- 5.00 ERA in the AL and especially in the AL east.