Burnett Would Consider Yankees

i dont think the yankees are interested in burnett that much.I belive the yankees would probably get more.
I still belive that
jake peavy is a posible

From a negotiations standpoint....expect ALL of the free-agents to say they don't want to come to the Yankees. Why?? Because they know the Yankees have the money to just up the anti and shower them with even MORE money to compensate for the fact that "they'd rather be elsewhere". It's business common sense.

The Yankees are the winningist team in all of sports. They sell out nearly every game. They just came off an 89 win season that was a down year after making the playoffs for 13 straight. They have a brand new zillion buck palace to play in and a nearly unlimited back account this offseason with holes to fill. MANY free-agents will want to play here...and any free agent that the Yankees express interest in will play this same game to get every last penny.

If the Yankees do sign 2 of the free agent starters, the Burnett (besides Sebathia) should definately be the secon since he is tops vs AL East teams he will need to defeat and Sabathia has serious problems vs Boston and Burnett will help counter that.

If Boston was looking for a FA starter, then have a feeling that Burnett would have been the one since he has the best stats ves AL East teams also and will probably be much more affordable than Sabathia.

This Oliver perez stuff to the Yankess keep reading about scares me and I am not even a Yankee fan. The stuff he throws looks like he is going to have serious problems in the AL to me. He would be better off in the NL and may be money saved for the Yankees to avoid him.

I think Ollie stays a Met. Just a prediction. I think they offer him the most cash.

Burnett's a scary thought for the Yankees. The guy is lights out when pitching against them, but not so good versus everyone else.

Besides, if you're going to go for an injury prone pitcher, why not go for Sheets? The upside on Sheets is a hell of a lot better than on Burnett.

jjyankeesfan2. Wouldn't it make sence for ALL the FA to say thay are interested in playing for the Yanks. That way they increase their bids. I see Burnett as a nother Pavano. That guys is good, but too fragile. Yes he had a good year, but don't most of them do when F agency is coming up?

Have you ever heard of tooting your own horn?

thats part of being a GM. you gotta make the sale.

Obviously 4th or 5th hand, but Cashman is reportedly excellent on selling NYC and the Yankee brand. So that's a plus.

bj, I could only make the argument that Peavy=Burnett... in the sense that Peavy would cost prospects while Burnett would only cost money. But in terms of skill, Peavy is better. Without a doubt

"The Yankees are the winningist team in all of sports. They sell out nearly every game. They just came off an 89 win season that was a down year after making the playoffs for 13 straight. They have a brand new zillion buck palace to play in and a nearly unlimited back account this offseason with holes to fill. MANY free-agents will want to play here...and any free agent that the Yankees express interest in will play this same game to get every last penny."

Well first off the Canadians have more titles than the Yankees. Second this was not a down year. you had pitching injuries just like every other team has. CC has already stated that he does not want to play for you and also Peavy. So everyone does not want to play for you.

"The stuff he throws looks like he is going to have serious problems in the AL to me."

I'm not really sure what this means. Are you thinking of some other Oliver Perez? He may be inconsistent, but are you really complaining about his stuff? He has better "stuff" then any starting pitcher on the Red Sox or Yankees (besides Joba). The guy throws in the mid 90's with a ton of movement, and he also throws a devestating slider. He has the toold to be an ace, easily. Its his mental makeup, not his "stuff".

Tim, I think you really, really need to get rid of typekey. It is so horrible. I love the site so I deal with it, but it really is an inconvenience. I remember you talking about people seeing the white on black format of your site and getting the wrong impression and leaving. I could see this as a similar problem. a lot of times my posts get blocked by the spam filter for no reason, and then every other time I have to sign in and out everytime I make a post.

Peavy had an elbow issue this year and any straight up stat comparison b/w Peavy and Burnett ignores stadium, league and division. Peavy has better results, I'm not sure he's that much better of a bet than Burnett when AL East teams are involved. He's far more of an FB guy than Burnett and FBs in San Diego aren't the same as FBs in the AL East.

All things equal and I'm just picking one or the other, I take Peavy, but I don't think there's a massive gap and once you factor in prospects versus a single pick, I go with Burnett. Better use of resources given that upper tier prospects are finite while money, relative to other teams, is far less so.

"CC has already stated that he does not want to play for you and also Peavy. So everyone does not want to play for you."

Hey, you want to show me that quote? He never said he didn't want to play for the Yankees, he said he prefers the NL, for obvious reasons; he can hit, weaker lineups, no DH, etc. So, NO, get your facts straight. You're just another fan who wishes that they could get CC but can't so you have to go to an article about the Yankees attempt to make them look badly or or do something that they can't. CC will go for the most money in the end, which I strongly believe will be from the Yankees, considering their lack of pitching and the Steinbrenners' interest in him.

"Burnett is a great pitcher. He is dominant when he wants to be. The problem I have with him is that the first 2 years in Toronto he didn't care to pitch well and just went through the motions and several stints on the DL. Obviously, he had a huge year because of his pending free agency. I'd be concerned about giving him so many years and tons of money. I can see the mentioned Pavano comparison."

The other thing about Burnett is it is well known he was/is a little nutty. I guess immature is the best word. He's 31 going to be 32 in Jan. Maybe he has grown up a little bit. Or it could be the contract opt out year. ;) Tough call on him either way.

I don't like to believe that guys tank in non-contract years; not sure what the data has shown. I'm hoping its more a case of better training staffs will equal better health. Of course, the Yankees staff only seems to be good at keeping pitchers' arms healthy; lower bodies being a different story.

(Regarding Burnett as nutty: I stayed in the Blue Jays team hotel in Cleveland 2 years ago and ended up taking the elevator up when they were all checking in. Like 10 guys on 1 elevator, me, Molina (really short), Chacin on one across from it. Right as the doors on the other one was closing, Burnett and Halladay shoved League out, flinging him half way across the corridor. Everyone laughed, League got on ours embarrassed. I'm not sure what my point was; maybe that you're right that Burnett is funny in an immature way or something. Also, Lilly had the most miserable body language of any person I've ever seen in my life.)

I can actually see Oliver Perez being this years version of Kyle Lohse when it comes to his contract. He probably thinks he's worth a lot more than he really is, at least a lot more than teams are going to want to pay him. His erratic performances and less than stellar control are going to scare away a lot of teams, I know I wouldn't want my favorite team signing the guy and counting on him. Whoever pays him big $ is likely looking at a bad contract a few years down the road. I can see Perez taking a long time to sign and maybe even playing for a one year deal if he doesn't think he's getting a fair, long term offer. My guess is that he goes back to the Mets for something like 1-year, $8 million and hits free agency again next year. Just a wild guess but with so many other descent starters on the market this year it doesn't seem like a good opportunity for a guy like Perez.

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If Carlos Silva could get 4/48 last year, surely Perez will get that and more.

"I'm not really sure what this means. Are you thinking of some other Oliver Perez? He may be inconsistent, but are you really complaining about his stuff? He has better "stuff" then any starting pitcher on the Red Sox or Yankees (besides Joba). The guy throws in the mid 90's with a ton of movement, and he also throws a devestating slider. He has the toold to be an ace, easily. Its his mental makeup, not his "stuff"."

We must be talking of 2 different Oliver Perez's different then and not the one whom is currently a FA.

The Oliver Perez I posted about is the one whom has a career losing record of 55-60, ERA of nearly 4.50, averages 4.50 walks per 9 innings, has shown the ability thus far in his career of a #4-5 starter, "stuff" or not. Ace? Not hardly.

burnett would be great aslong as he is healthy......and look at his numbers against teams that are not the yankees........not as great as you might think

Oliver Perez easily has the tools to be an ace?

Burnett performed ABOVE his w/l record this year?

"We must be talking of 2 different Oliver Perez's different then and not the one whom is currently a FA."

Hahaha.

A. Burnett is a monster

yanks 09

1. B. Sheets
2. A. Burnett
3. J. Peavy
4. J. Chamberlain
5. C. Wang

5 aces

z

"Totally, totally, totally disagree, he was very much the same but that's hardly a bad thing. Burnett has great peripherals; 2 out of the 3 things you really want in a pitcher (high K, high GB). Still walked too many but that is what it is at this point. If anything, his wins finally caught up to his performance."

So in otherwords, you agree?! His K and GB rates BOTH fell from 2007. Once again - the only thing AJ Burnett did differently this year than the previous 2 was stay healthy. He's the exact same "thrower" that he always was.

NJM, I think you need to re-read what I wrote, because it seems that you think the inference was that Burnett isn't an elite pitcher. He is, just the problem is that he always has been, and he didn't get any better this year just because his record was 18-10. And before everyone starts on about how he only stays healthy in contract years, have a look at his 2007 game log prior to his DL stint, and tell me that that injury wasn't entirely John Gibbons' fault for abusing the hell out of Burnett while Halladay was on the DL.

"Burnett performed ABOVE his w/l record this year?"

I don't think I said that (if its directed at me). I was saying he overperformed his W/L in previous years so, to those obsessed with wins, he looked disappointing. His GB and K rates have both been upper tier for a while now; he's just wasn't getting the wins.

"Also, does Dice-K fit into that rotation plan? Because he was the Ace of that staff this season. This just makes no sense."

K so look, trade dice k (braves eat salary) for Hanson and Heyward plus Freeman if Hanson is guaranteed ace in 2 years.

Though I am not a Jay's fan and don't pay 100% attention to the games, I agree Gibbons did misuse Burnett. I remember thinking that while it was happening.

I also don't think guys tank it for contract years. Though some guys do seem to be able to put it together or stay healthy for the contract year. You have to agree it makes you wonder.

"I can't look it up this second but I think the opposite was true this year. Pretty sure he outperformed his FIP and as someone else mentioned his K/GB rates fell. No doubt a good pitcher, I'd welcome him on the Sox, I dunno about elite though."

Not sure what you mean by the FIP part; his ERA was higher than his FIP this season so I guess that would be underperforming it. Is there a win translation out there I don't know of? Either way, I'm a bit meh on FIP since it seems to overweight HRs which can be fluky. I'm a bigger fan of QERA.

The GB rate dipped in 2008 (20th), but thats in part because his rate was beyond awesome in 2007 (8th). His K% was down as well but, again, it seems really, really nitpicky to mention that rather than the fact that he was one of very few SPs over 1.0 K/IP.

I know I'm in the minority here, but I think he's an elite arm who has elite peripherals that are belied by not-quite-elite results.

(All of my defenses of him should probably drive him straight into Theo's arms where I'll then have to hope I was dead wrong.)

"NRMAX88, before you make stupid comments like "oliver perez has better stuff than any one on the Red Sox" you need to look at the names Josh Beckett, Jon Lester, Jonatton Papelbon and even Manny Delcarmen and Clay Buchholz! All hit 95 mph or higher on the gun and throw either sick curves, cutters, or splitters that are as good as anyones in baseball! Oliver Perez, pleeze!"

There's a HUGE difference between "stuff" and "control". Oliver Perez has great stuff, and when he's controlling it physically and mentally, he is a beast. When he's not controlling it well though, things get ugly and he gets hit around a bit.

Some pitchers don't have the "stuff", but succeed heavily based on control.

When Perez executes his pitches, he will dominate any collection of hitters there are. That is all I am saying. I don't think the division he is in matters, because against any team, when he has his good stuff, he will throw a gem, and against any team, when he doesn't have his good stuff, it can get ugly. When he is dialed in, nobody can touch him. He was great against the Yankees and Phillies this year, and also got rocked by teams like SF and Washington. Oliver Perez is just filthy, his fastball moves like a breaking ball. Stuff isn't his issue. That's the only point I was trying to make. People who say "he will get rocked in the AL" are just wrong. Ollie getting rocked or not depends only on him, and not on the offense he is facing.

Dynasty...if you are going to stereotype an entire fanbase because you don't like the team, then YOU embody the typical drunken delusional Sox fan.

Dear Boston fans,

Don't worry, I know there are a lot of you out there that are very knowledgeable about baseball, able to communicate in full sentences and not hopelessly obsessed with a 3rd place team. I am not stereotyping you based on one disaster posting here.

Yours,

NotJoeMorgan

"There's a HUGE difference between "stuff" and "control"

And a huge difference between Oliver Perez and Oliver Perez having better stuff than every pitcher on the Yankees or Sox not named Joba.

"dont worry keenan and kel, your clever joke isnt wasted on me.
that was hilarious"

Hahaha.