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Lowe Wants $16MM

Today we've heard Scott Boras wants a Zito-like contract for Derek Lowe, or at least a five-year deal.  Now SI.com's Jon Heyman says Lowe seeks $16MM per year, on par with Andy Pettitte's 2008 salary. 

That salary is pretty reasonable; I would've thought Boras would start the bidding around $18MM and worked his way down.  What do you think - four years, $64MM for Lowe?


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is that 16mil maybe the discount rate lowe is willing to take to sign with the red sox, he's made it clear that he wants to play for them. 16mil seems pretty fair compared to what cc and aj will get

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Theo git r done

there is no way any1 signs a 35 year old pitcher for 16 mill. unless your desperate like the yankees are! man one missed playoff and they are out to spend as much as humanly possible!

Definitely worth that price tag, compared to what other pitchers will be getting.

4 years $64 million. Mets should offer that to him right now. Considering Sabathia is getting ~25 million a year, 16 million for the consistent Lowe is a good deal.

Seems like a deal for Yankees/Mets/Red Sox/Dodgers. I don't see many other teams investing in 4 or 5 years of Lowe.

You've got a pitcher who has never been on the DL and was consistently good over the past four years. He's started at least 32 games and 200 innings all four years (well, 199 1/3 in 2007). Compare that to the $13MM Dempster got for 1 year of starting and I'd say that's a good contract. 3 or 4 years for a sinker ball pitcher who doesn't rely on the radar gun to get outs? Too bad he doesn't want to stay in LA. He was great to have.

there is no way any1 signs a 35 year old pitcher for 16 mill. unless your desperate like the yankees are! man one missed playoff and they are out to spend as much as humanly possible!

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YAWN.............

As a Mets fan, I wouldn't give him 4 years. I wish Omar would get younger...I can see Lowe being the next guy we sign long term that snaps his elbow. UGH!

^_^ Not saying he will, it's just the Mets luck though...

$16M is way to high for a guy like Lowe. He eats innings, but is not a #1 by any means. Here are the pitchers making more by average than he would at $16M.
Here is his comps:

1. Sabathia - Asumption -$25.00M/Avg
2. Santana - $22.917M
3. Zambrano - $18.30M
4. Zito - $18.00M
5. Burnett - $16.00M - Assumed
6. Pettite - $16.00M - (1 year deal)

I would think a deal in the $13.5M-$14.5M over 3 years with a option is more likely.

Well, 16 million per year... I know he has had questionable home/away splits, but he's very durable and has some good playoff stats. I'd take that for about 2 years, but no more

The last mega deal the Yanks signed (5 years or better) was for Mike Mussina (6 yrs/88 mil). I'll sit back and breeze thru all the posts about how the Yanks are responsible for all the evils of the world. The Pavano deal, despit being a big mistake due to his injuries, @ 4/40 was no where near being a big contract compared to other deals that were signed prior to his. However, there still lies this ridculous commentary that somehow were the ones who set forth the pitching spending spree. And please before I hear it, the Yanks are in need of an ace and everyone in the world knows CC was looking for Santana type money and needed an incentive to not sign with a west coast team. I can live with the top player getting the top money. It all started with Zito. (Boras' quote "Seeking Zito-type money).

"As a Mets fan, I wouldn't give him 4 years. I wish Omar would get younger...I can see Lowe being the next guy we sign long term that snaps his elbow. UGH!"

But we're talking about a guy with a non-violent delivery, who has never been on the DL and throws at least 200 innings at a good ERA every year. And yes, considering Dempster got 13 a year, Lowe is worth 16 a year. Sign him up.

And I was referring to mega deals for a pitcher.

Sabathia 7@25 to the Yankees (zito got 7)

Burnett 5@17 to the Yankees

Lowe 3@16 to Boston, vesting option for fourth

Of course, maybe CC and Burnett dont want to go to NY???

Tex to the Angels, Manny to LA

Is it possible the Yankee could get a freeze out?

Did I hear Jake Peavy? That is why Towers could be pausing.

It started with Hampton, not Zito

Sure, $16M might be the yearly total, but giving a 36 year old (he'll turn that June 1) a four year deal is ludicrous.

I can see the Yanks doing 5 years $100M... would make sense to them.

Worth the price tag? Tell me how useful that sinker is going to be when it's coming in at 87/88mph in 2011. For $16M a year, I'll pass. Just because something is a "comparitive" bargain relative to the market doesn't make it an actual bargain.

This move would be especially puzzling for the Red Sox. With Masterson, Buchholz and Bowden (and potentally Bard) waiting in the wings, Lester affordable until 2013 and Beckett/Dice-K locked up long-term, this move would make zero sense for the Red Sox. Signing Burnett and his 50% Quality Start percentage (in his "best" year yet, mind you) would be equally maddening.

Signing them both is the Fredo Corleone move. Signing one of them would be Sonny. I'm hoping the Sox channel their inner Michael and pass on both of them.

I thought Kevin Brown started it all, though he did work out somewhat better than Zito and Hampton. Asking for 'Zito-type' money is hilarious considering pretty much all of baseball knows Zito isn't worth close to his contract.

As a sidenote I'm glad to hear most GMs are dismissing any agent using Silva's horrible contract last year as a benchmark. Teams shouldn't have to accept ridiculous contracts for mediocre pitchers just because one GM made a stupid mistake one year and accidently changed the market.

Lowe at 16Mil for 4 season is awful. Anyone who thinks that's a bargain or a good deal is kidding themselves.
You don't sign a 35 year old pitcher to 16 mil for 3+ Years.

"I can see the Yanks doing 5 years $100M... would make sense to them."

I'm not even a Yankees fan but my god am I irritated by everyone calling out the Yankees wallet. You're all sounding like cynical crybabies.

"And I was referring to mega deals for a pitcher.

Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | November 19, 2008 at 03:58 PM"

Thanks for saving so many people so much time with that caveat.

Yes you are right. Kevin Brown, Mike Hampton, Chan Ho Park, Darren Dreifort, Barry Zito. I have no problems with the money that guys like Randy Johnson, Greg Maddux, Mike Mussina and even Johan Santana received. great players deserve more money than the mediocre ones. problem is that a good agent will say why should my guy who's a Cy Young winner accept less money than a guy who was 10-17 last year and is avg $18 mil a year?

Thought I'd point this little tidbit out...

ERA+ 2005-08

Lowe: 114, 124, 118, 131

Zambrano: 135, 136, 118, 114

Does 16 million a year still look that bad? I'd definitely take Lowe at 3 years and 48 million over whatever Burnett gets.

The braves better jump now and offer 17million to lowe and 5 million to ben sheets and get at least one of them signed then go after peavy.

"this move would make zero sense for the Red Sox. "

Beckett is not locked up long term. Lester is coming off a tremendous increase in innings, long term I love his projection, doesn't mean I'll pencil him for another 144+ season.

Dicek is always a question mark, Wake and Beckett are no sure things. I love the upside of our young pitchers but they're still more upside than production.

I'd take a risk via FA and sign a Burnett/Lowe type because at worst we're saddled with an unfriendly contract. I think the FO said the luxury cap is 165~million next year, that's a lot of money to play with.

Not that I'm advocating a $165million pay roll.

You're welcome. Go dig yourself a grave and jump in you sarcastic so and so :)

Aha!!!!.. Kenan and Kel has finally been identified as a Red Sucks lover. Now it all makes sense.... :)

Are you 30 years old? Please answer my question, you keep avoiding it.

Theo knows Lowe was done after 04 and made the right move then by letting him walk. He will do the right thing again and stay away. So he was good in the NL what does that tell you about how he can pitch in the AL in the latter stages of his career? Nothing.

Let Lowe and Burnett both walk by and onwards to Yankee Stadium now. Masterson can move back to the rotation since his spot in the BP seems to be aptly filled as of today (good job Theo) and no sense in wasting millions on old habits the likes of Lowe, nor walking wounded Burnett types, let the yanks sign 'em both please!

I'm a big fan of Burnett and his stuff but not a big fan of his history of arm troubles. The problem is that there's a huge fall off after CC. There are no "tried and true" studs that don't have some sort of baggage or issues.

Dempster-Lack of a resume as a starter

Sheets and Burnett- Health history.

Lowe, Pettite, Mussina, Pedro- Age and long term durability.

So what do you do? Roll the dice and hope for the best or pass completely. Unfortunately for the Yanks we don't have the depth in the farm to make a big trade like that for Peavy. So either we just go with CC or we, along with other teams hoping to get better this year, roll the dice and hope we get lucky.

Are you 30 years old? Please answer my question, you keep avoiding it.
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My name is Timmy and I'm this many years old (holds up 4 fingers).

Dude why do you keep asking me this question? Because I refer to the team in Boston as the Red Sucks? Move on. It's a joke.

four years, $64MM for Lowe?

NO THANKS.

I really don't understand why so many other Yankee fans are so infatuated over Lowe. He had a good run in the NL with the DOdgers but he was horrible his last two years with the Red Sucks. His win totals were good (17 and 14) but his era's were high ( 4.47 and 5.42). Those were basically the same numbers that Pettite gave you last year (14-14 4.54) and many fans were ready to run him out of town. Lowe is a good innings eater and will probably keep a team with a good offense in the game but couldn't we get that from Pettite for a lot less? I think people have been romanticized by the success Lowe has had in the post-season and seem to think that is reason in itself to sign him to a lucrative deal. Isn't Pettitte just as successful in the post-season as Lowe?

Again, I'll repeat:

Lowe spent three seasons (99-01) in the bullpen. He's a 36-y.o. with a 33-y.o. arm.

Anyone offering 4/$64 might regret the fourth year of the contract, but for a team needing an effective starter who does more than eat innings, Lowe is not a bad choice.

Wren, make it happen.

I'd give him 3 years @ 46 mil.

Who ever give Lowe a $16M salary is an idiot...He's 35 years old and Dodgers stadium is a pitchers park and he plays in the weak NL West...The highest is go is 3 years $39M.

JT89,

What if the Dodgers give him 16 million a year?

Just a thought.

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