Bailey-Dye Trade Report Shot Down

...and after just a few months of speculation! well done!

How long until this gets shot down?

Fuckin Ken Williams, dont trade Dye you idiot

White Sox gotta get more for Dye than just Bailey. If they could get another pitcher or Mesoraco or another solid prospect like that this trade would make a lot more sense.

I'd be disappointed if someone told me this:

The White Sox essentially traded Nick Swisher, Javier Vazquez and Jermaine Dye for Tyler Flowers, Homer Bailey, Brent Lillibridge, Jeff Marquez, Wilson Betemit, Jhonny Nunez, John Gilmore and Santos Rodriguez.

Oh god no.

This isn't really a good deal for the Reds.

Although this is the year that the Reds could jump out and contend in the NL Central. With the Brewers weak on pitching, and the Cubs being the Cubs...

I'm hoping it's Dye + 1 for Bailey and Dickerson

seems short-sighted for a team that i cant see competing next year

"I'm hoping it's Dye + 1 for Bailey and Dickerson"

Landing Dickerson would be great for Chicago, but I think that Cincinnati really needs Dickerson in the short term if they're going for it by moving Bailey for Dye.

"They are willing to spend more this year, and are already looking to improve the team."

Yes, because as we've learned the more you spend on a team the better it automatically gets. I get the point you're trying to make but that's a really crappy argument.

I'll wait and see if there's a move made by Williams to accompany this before having a friggin' panic attack.

i wouldnt be surprised if white sox want stubbs

"White Sox gotta get more for Dye than just Bailey. If they could get another pitcher or Mesoraco or another solid prospect like that this trade would make a lot more sense."

No, they don't. Dye is making fair market value. More prospects is a steal for the Sox.

I want Dickerson too! Dye has been the most consistent player for the Sox since the World Series! We need to fill a hole in the outfield now if Dye and Swisher are gone that leaves us with Carlos Quentin in RF and who else? Anderson and Owens? We better sign a player like Abreu or Dunn or frankly anybody. The Sox Outfield is looking shaky!!!

Thank Walt Jocketty!!! I hated this guy as the Cards GM and now I love him as the Reds GM. Homer lost about 5 mph off his fastball and Jermaine fills a huge hole that the Reds can't fill internally this year. Maybe this even leads to them going hard at Furcal or Varitek, since it's apparent they think they can compete.

Next post season's FA report for Dye:

No option picked up for Dye, because he blew his horrible kness out again and he is not offered arbitration and Homer Baily finally learned how to hit under the tutelage of harold Baines and away from the nagging of Dusty baker and is a 20 HR 80 Rbi .275 Avg guy, while Dye limps to 80 games and the reds get zipity for him by not being able to offer him arbitration and haveng to pay him 12 million to boot for the 2009 season.

Way to go Cincy, no wonder you guys are always fighting it out for the cellar..

"No, they don't. Dye is making fair market value. More prospects is a steal for the Sox."

I'm just surprised that such an established quality bat would land just a prospect like Bailey, whose scouting reports have been slowing getting more negative for months.

I know this guy was one of the ten best prospects in baseball for two years, but that just doesn't seem like a ton of value, considering what one year of Matt Holliday landed.

Maybe I'm undervaluing Homer Bailey, but it just seems like reports from him have gotten really poor. Maybe Don Cooper helps him bounce back, shows him how to throw a nasty cutter or something.

No option picked up for Dye, because he blew his horrible kness out again and he is not offered arbitration and Homer Baily finally learned how to "hit under the tutelage of harold Baines and away from the nagging of Dusty baker and is a 20 HR 80 Rbi .275 Avg guy, while Dye limps to 80 games and the reds get zipity for him by not being able to offer him arbitration and haveng to pay him 12 million to boot for the 2009 season."

Well Bailey is a SP but if he can hit 20 Hr's and 80 RBI's during inter league play, im all for it!

Hahshaha...it took exactly 5 seconds for all of the posters to type their collective "WTF" @ johns....wow

Haha johns that was the most ignorant post in the history of the internet.

"Homer lost about 5 mph off his fastball and Jermaine fills a huge hole that the Reds can't fill internally this year."

?

2007 avg FB: 92.4
2008 avg FB: 91.5

I realize a mph is a big drop but he hardly lost 5 mph his FB this year.

Would it be at all shocking if KW went after a big fish like CC, Tex, Perez, etc? Or maybe was collecting young arms to package for Peavy?

"Homer Baily finally learned how to hit under the tutelage of harold Baines and away from the nagging of Dusty baker and is a 20 HR 80 Rbi .275 Avg guy"

...

Horrible trade for the Reds. Bailey's mechanics suck but he's worth more than an aging OF who can't field and has had only 2 good years since 2001.

Now Walt just needs to trade for one of Texas' catchers and sign a healthy Furcal to pair with Phillips up the middle.

"Would it be at all shocking if KW went after a big fish like CC, Tex, Perez, etc?"

(Singing) One of these things is not like the other... one of these things just doesn't belong...

"Or maybe was collecting young arms to package for Peavy?"

I've actually thought about that at this point.

I could see the White Sox going huge, trying to land Peavy, and then sign Dunn to fill the outfield gap.

The only problem there would be the infield depth. Jerry Owens could play center, Dunn in left, Quentin in right... Ramirez at SS, Konerko at 1B, but then you're really going with Getz and Fields for second and third?

That could be bad. I suppose Betemit can fill in, but I don't know that you want to gamble on him being an everyday player (despite posting solid 162-game averages)

Dunn could possibly be the Sox LF next year. I hope we can make a run for a top of the line pitcher as well

Honestly though, with a big outfield or starting pitcher signing or trade... we still need a CF, 3B and 2B.... this is not looking good....

maybe if this trade actually happens we have another 12 mil cleared up.
padres supposedly wanted flowers and reyes for peavy, why not take bailey, (a right handed equivalent of reyes) and flip him with flowers to the padres for peavy?

wsoxfan93- The Padres wanted more than Flowers and Reyes for Peavy. It was more like Escobar, Flowers, and Reyes.

"The Padres wanted more than Flowers and Reyes for Peavy. It was more like Escobar, Flowers, and Reyes."

Obviously. The Braves were clearly willing to move Flowers for a starter. If he could've been the centerpiece to a Peavy trade, it would've happened already. Maybe the Sox form some sort of Flowers and Poreda for Peavy trade, although I'm not sure if that's a great idea for Chicago

Scribble... your rotation doesn't make sense. You don't have Peavy in there, haha. I'm assuming you messed something up.

Anyhow, yeah... Poreda, Bailey, Flowers, Lillibridge for Peavy. That's a solid package. Add Clayton Richard if they want.

I don't think they'd even need to sign a CF; they'd be better off going with Jerry Owens in center and focusing on improving at shortstop or third base. My own personal opinion there though.

Peavy, Buerhle, Danks, Floyd, Contreras...

Eesh. As a Twins fan, I really hope I'm wrong about all this.

Trade for Peavy and sign Dunn or Manny...

Kenny's never been a GM who likes to stay quiet. Ugh, I can actually see it happening.

Please no...

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-081207-chicago-white-sox-winter-meetings,0,7672373.story

Nope

Forgot about Contreras.

Kenny could always just sign a mediocre fifth starter as well, though that would be fine with me too.

And Alvades,

The White Sox won the AL Central this year... and the World Series in 2005.

Fourth every year?

If the Angels fail to get Tex do you think they might want Konerko for a couple of prospects?

as a twins fan, i'm excited about this trade because it makes them weaker, but kenny williams cutting tons of payroll right before the winter meetings scares me. i could see furcal going to the sox but what about tex or cc?

Hal McCoy is more reliable than the Tribune guy. Dye is a Red and Bailey is with the White Sox.

And there is the answer to my question in the fourth post.

The Reds shouldn't trade Bailey for Dye even up, let alone add anything.

This is what I would like to see go down, I think it helps both teams.

Homer Bailey, EE, Matt Maloney, and Freel to the White Sox for Dye, Lillibridge, and Josh Fields

Sox get two young arms to mold which is something that they have proven to be very good at doing. A young 3B that is more a LF/1B/DH type that is a solid offensive plaeyr and a spark plug type.

Reds get a RH power bat to put between Bruce and Votto, a solid SS prospect to give them another MI option and a 3B that like Bailey probably needs a change of scenery.

Despite the denials, I expect a deal involving these two will get done eventually. Kenny Williams is very smart. He's cutting payroll because the coming financial disaster will likely cost baseball some 40% in revenue in 2009. 2010 could get much much worse. His boss is never one to be willing to lose money.

Also, don't look for the SOX to invest in more than a single year to any free agent or veteran acquisition. They'll pare that payroll down to $80M by New Years. PK is next to go.

Hal a good writer, but he's been bashing Bailey for years. He absolutely wants this to be true...kinda like Dan Rather and the W documents.

You need to give him a break though, he is legally blind.

Pretty much the majority of ML 3Bs are better fielders then EE. I said he was more a LF/1B/DH. Sorry about the double post, didn't show up when I looked for any replies.

"Homer Bailey, EE, Matt Maloney, and Freel to the White Sox for Dye, Lillibridge, and Josh Fields"

I think that deal is better a little too generous to Chicago. The Reds probably wouldn't give up Bailey and Encarnacion in the same deal, unless they were getting back some serious talent, and I don't think Dye, Lillibridge and Fields is that.

I think that something like Bailey, Stubbs, and Freel for Dye, Fields and Brian Anderson makes a tad more sense.

The Sox get a starter with ace potential that they can develop, an athletic young speed/power combo CF prospect, and a short term CF/leadoff solution, while the Reds get a short term middle of the order hitter and RF, a 4th OF/long term CF option, and a potential short term 3B replacement if the Reds choose to deal Encarnacion.

Maybe then the Reds could move EE to the Rangers for Salty, and call it a day, with a lineup of Salty, Votto, Phillips, Fields, Gonzalez, Dye, Dickerson and Bruce.

scribbletone -

The problem with that is Anderson. He has already shown his displeasure in coming off the bench and being a 4th outfielder. If you are going to trade for Anderson it is in your best interest to make him an everyday player or he will potentially become a cancer in the clubhouse.

John fay shots the dead horse.

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=blog07&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3ae57bcc87-152a-4f72-96fb-cc08b1f396efPost%3ac3e801e6-bcc1-4264-83a4-0a80fefc87b9&sid=sitelife.cincinnati.com

"Rangers wouldn't trade Salty for Encarnacion..."

If they could, they might. Think about Encarnacion's potential while playing in Texas. That guy could put up 35-40 HR numbers while playing there. A lineup with Hamilton, Kinsler, Davis, Encarnacion, Young and Murphy would be scary.

So glad I didn't see this when it was first reported, as a Sox fan, I'd have SNAPPED!

This is easily the best time for Dye to be moved. It will happen. It's just a matter of when and to where.