Odds & Ends: Betancourt, Francoeur, Halladay, Angels

He isn't a defensive down grade...he has the most assists since 2005 when he came up. I think over all they just even out each other. Although when Frency is right and swinging the bat like he should be. Church couldn't touch him...still don't really know what message he was trying to send...Other then "Church i don't like you"

*****SI's Jon Heyman tweets that he'd include the struggling Joba Chamberlain in a package for Roy Halladay "no problem."****

Is he serious?!?!?! Who cares if HE WOULD include Joba in a trade for Halladay????

"...when Frency is right and swinging the bat like he should be.."

When was the last time his bat was right? He's been declining with the bat for 3 years.

I can only hope a change of scenery and hitting coach can help him come out of his steep decline.

a year and a half actually. And when he is hitting the ball the other way he is right. He has alot of power, and over all the if you can get the 05-07 frency with the new scenery and new batting coach, you will see what I mean. TP prolly should have been the one to go. He isn't a good Hitting coach. I think he messed Andruw's swing and timing up as well as Frencys.

I have always loved Frency and I didn't like that he went to the mets. I will always pull for him. But if he does figure stuff out which i think he will eventually. I would be happy to be a mets fan...and Not want him to come to the Ted with it figured out

yep and i rest my case....stand in line my friend..

bravesfan13 ... are you saying "yep" to my comment that you don't know much about baseball statistics? LOL.

And what is there to stand in line for? You're not making sense.

YanksFanSince78, I agree with just about all of your post. However, the Yankees as an organization are always in a "win-now" mode. I think giving up on Joba this early would be foolish (I'd personally would be more comfortable giving up Hughes than Joba), but wouldn't crucify them if they were to incude him and get Halladay. I have little doubts they'd have a hard time extending him given that the Yankees are a team he would approve a trade to, and one of his good friends (AJ) just signed a 5 year deal with us.

Does anyone else feel sick when they imagine the yankees getting Halladay? I know that an AL East trade is not likely but it has happened before (clemens). If the yanks get him they will, inherit his $10 million salary, putting them to an astronomical 90 million ahead of the next place team.

White Sox will make a play for Doc. Doc and Wells for Fields, Anderson,Podera, and Richards.

White Sox will make a play for Doc. Doc and Wells for Fields, Anderson,Podera, and Richards.

Posted by: rockford | July 11, 2009 at 11:08 AM

Have you seen Wells contract? He gets 21 mill next season, 23 mill in 2011, and 21 mill in 2012, 2013, and 2014. Gaining Halladay would be huge for any team, but I honestly think that taking Wells contract would almost nulify the value gained from Doc.

Ok, could anybody see a 3 team trade involving the Blue Jays, phillies, and Braves, here it is....

The Blue Jays send Roy Halladay to the Philliles and a prospect to the Braves.

The Phillies send Jason Werth to the Braves, Kyle Drabek and Dominic Brown to the Blue Jays.

The Braves send Ryan Church to the Phillies, Kris Medlen, and Diory Hernandez to the BlueJays.

The phillies get Halladay, Which they so need. The braves get the right handed power bat in werth, and the blue jays get overwelmed with players for halladay (2 top prospects, solid SS, and great CF.)

BUt the thing is, the phillies only give up 2 prospects and a current player
to get Halladay(trading werth to the braves allows the phills not to give up 3 or 4 prospects to the blue jays for Halladay, and it allows only the braves to give 2 prospects and church(pretty much frenchy) for the stud right fielder. Neither club has to give up their whole farm system, and every team gets what they want.

I'm glad someone else on here kept their head out of their a@# and sees the obvious loopholes in the UZR statistic.

UZR doesn't tell you anything.

Hustle, hitting the cut-off man, arm strength, assists, and making good plays tells you how good a defensive outfielder really is.

I think some of these new stats and formulas are beginning to distort some people's perceptions of what it takes to win ballgames.

Its what goes on on the field that wins ballgames, not a f'ing computer.

I only want players on my teams who play the game the right way and give it everything they've got.

Even if they aren't All-Stars.

"UZR doesn't tell you anything.

Hustle, hitting the cut-off man, arm strength, assists, and making good plays tells you how good a defensive outfielder really is."
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As a matter of fact, the UZR and UZR/150 stats at fangraphs do include things like "arm strength, assists, and making good plays."

Now, who has their heads up their "a@#"?

In addition, while Church has been with the Mets, there has never been a question of effort and hustle with him.

"I only want players on my teams who play the game the right way and give it everything they've got.

Even if they aren't All-Stars."

I suggest you follow the Royals then. They are horrible at what they do, but do it the right way from what I hear. And after all, that is all you want.

But since you think “UZR doesn't tell you anything”, then maybe you should learn what UZR is. It factors your results in things like Number of Plays, Outs, Errors and in turn, Baserunners/Expected-Runs ff number of baserunners, to those made by an average fielder at his position given the exact distribution of balls in play – in other words, how any single player stacks up against the league average at the position in the ways he can make a play. This encompasses range, glove-work, arm strength – you know, everything you want thought about. It isnt just some fancy calculating system, it is solely all things compared to average.

You can hustle all you want, but if the end results are poor, then you will see such a result in your score. And where yes, hustle is great; hustle without ability means very little verses the player with ability up the rear who casually goes about doing his job. The guy who nonchalantly goes about his business making 9 of 10 plays is much, much, much more valuable then the guy who works like crazy just to be able to make 7 of 10 plays. That is the case no matter how you slice it.

I'm not sure what you mean by it doesn't go against payroll...it's money that is due to the player, and that money would presumably come from the white sox if they acquired him. I'm sure the sox could afford the 21 million, but tying up 20% of your teams payroll is hard to swallow. It's even harder when that player is Vernon Wells.

Jason Varitek sucks as a catcher. Case close.

It's gonna take Joba, Hughes, and another to get Halladay same as it will take Buchholz, Bowden and probably Lars Anderson from Boston! Stop overvalueing joba as his stock is plummeting!

Look no one in there right mind would both trade joba and hughes so i see them giving some minor leaguers and hughes cause am going to say the truth i hate hughes all hes done is give us trouble but joba we know what he can do in the bullpen where just waiting for him to do it as a starting picture and ---
RED SOX SUCK or W/e jason isnt half the player of jorge and u and i both know it jorge can STILL hit and CATCH and he gets a contract with no hassle untill like jason which u guys werent even sure if u wanted to sign because of his age... GO YANKSSS!!!