Discussion: Reds Looking To Deal?

I have a feeling the Dodgers are going to be in on this somewhere.. Phillips[2B], Arroyo[SP], Harang [SP]

Dodgers key needs: starting pitching, 2nd base

Would love to see the Mets swing a deal for Phillips and Harang after they dump Castillo. I'd give them Maine, whatever they get from the Castillo deal and a couple of B level prospects as a start. Shouldn't take much more than that considering the ~$35M in salary they'd be taking off their hands.

Can any Reds fans clue us in what the Reds immediate areas of needs are?

I think it would actually benefit the team if they traded Aaron Harang.Not just for the salary relief. It would be more beneficial if the team went with a younger pitcher in his spot in the rotation becuase as far as I am concerned, Aaron Harrang does not give the team a good chance to win when hes pitching. As for Bronson Arroyo, he is a good pitcher but he is not worth his current size of contract. Moving these two pitchers would be a good step in the right direction even if the reds have to pay a portion of the contract.

Suggestions to improve teh team?

Fire Bavasi.
Fire Bonifay.
Fire Toothpick Baker.
Trade Cordero.
DFA Willy Taveras.

Then stop picking up and wasting money on scrub and retread players. Bite the bullet and get some REAL talent and put a GOOD product on the field.

With better talent comes a better chance at WINNING. With winning comes fan support, increased attendance and PROFITS.

i doubt any reds fan here would take bowden over volquez and im positive IF again IF ... and im pretty sure the reds front office already canned the possibilty, IF they were gonna deal votto they'd get a heck of alot more than that trash

Asked about trading Joey Votto, Jocketty replied, "Oh God, no." there ya go. ain't happening.

as a Red Sox fan i hope that proposal was a joke or something because if not its idiots like that that give Sox fans a bad name..

If Phillips gets moved to LA the Dodgers could send back DeWitt plus prospects

i said that whats your point?

reese havens, nick evans, ruben tejada, and brant rustich for Brandon Phillips... Seems fair, right?

Sampsonite. The Reds need a power bat. I don't care where it comes from but the Reds need a LF and SS. I think the Reds could lose either Harang or Arroyo and Cordero. If they did trade one of the SP, they have Bailey that had decent year this year.

If they do trade Phillips, I would imagine they would use Todd Frazier at 2b. His bat is close to Phillip's bat, but defense is not Gold Glove caliber like Brandon's. If they do trade him, they need to get major league ready players.

I go back and forth on what the Reds should do, but I want a winner.

How bout A.J.Ellis plus prospects for Phillips in a Dodger/Reds trade

As long(may sound stupid) the mets don't give up fmart, mejia, holt, davis or flores, ill be fine with trading for phillips.

As long(may sound stupid) the mets don't give up fmart, mejia, holt, davis or flores, ill be fine with trading for phillips.

Posted by: beastOftheEast | November 12, 2009 at 09:22 PM

Not going to happen.

its good to know there are some sane sox fans out there. kudos to beckett lester and adams.

lowell has a no trade clause why would he waive it to go to the reds? is rolen a free agent? if not where would lowell play? why would the reds take on his contract? and if he is so good why does every moronic sox deal always start with him? and why would the sox want to block lars by bringing in a firstbaseman?

wouldnt the goal behind trading lowell be to move youkilis back to third and give lars firstbase?

its good to know there are some sane sox fans out there. kudos to beckett lester and adams.

lowell has a no trade clause why would he waive it to go to the reds? is rolen a free agent? if not where would lowell play? why would the reds take on his contract? and if he is so good why does every moronic sox deal always start with him? and why would the sox want to block lars by bringing in a firstbaseman?

wouldnt the goal behind trading lowell be to move youkilis back to third and give lars firstbase?

Posted by: roguesaw | November 12, 2009 at 09:29 PM

That would have been the plan if Lars wouldnt have had an absolutely atrocious year last year. The Sox believe he is at least 2 more years away, and as such, they are looking for a replacement for Lowell. Youkalis would shift to 3rd and whomever the Sox picked up would split time between 1B and DH with V. Martinez and Ortiz.

seems like a strong possibility that the sox are stuck with lowell for one more year than they let him walk. cot's says he gets 12mil next year. coupled with his no trade protection it seems he will be very difficult to move.

yes and if medicaid doesnt pay for the scooter rascal will and lowell will still have his 12mil.

If the Reds were smart they would negotiate a new deal with Arroyo and extend him a couple more years at a cheaper salary (i.e. Hudson with the Braves)not for the same amount as Hudson but something to give a little relief this year. The way he pitches he could throw for a long time and not lose a step

DRWheelock, I like your reasoning, but the Reds would be willing to trade Phillips only if they got a position of need in return. They're loaded with 2B/3B prospects, but what they need are C/SS players. They'll get their salary relief through a Harang/Arroyo for AAA player for 2010, while having 2011 salary flexibility.

My question for irrational Mets fans...How about Phillips and Yonder Alonso for Jose Reyes?

Trading Brandon Phillips cannot be an option for the Reds.. Hes one of the leaders on this team and one of the most clutch players and you can tell this guy wants to win.. Now trading a Cordero Arroyo or Harang might be an option. If they can deal one of those guys and can get a "decent" shortstop this off season and make sure they sign Ramon Hernandez than this is a team that can make a run for the division...

Line Up
1. CF Drew Stubbs
2. SS ?????
3. 1B Joey Votoo
4. 2B Brandon Phillips
5. RF Jay Bruce
6. 3B Scott Rolen
7. LF Johnny Gomes
8. C Ranon Hernandez
9. Pitcher

This would be the best line up the reds have had in a long long time...

Pitching Rotation

1. Johnny Cueto
2. Homer Bailey
3. Aaron Harang/Bronson Arroyo
4. Justin Lehr
5. ???????????

If they can stay in the race 5 games back or so and hopefully get Volquez back this is a team that can compete

Redsfan62908,

I like the way you think.

Bferb

Havens is projected to move to 2nd base to make him agold glove 2nd baseman
Tejada is 19 with good defense contact hitter
Familia is also a good prospect at 19 yrs
Rutisch
Then evans

I think that enough to attain brandon

Yeah. Thanks. Just wouldnt make sense to get rid of Phillips. They need to focus on keeping Jay Bruce, Joey Votto, and Brandon Phillips for the next several years. All very young.

Dodgers match up well here since they need people to fill out the back end of their rotation. Possibly even the Brewers or the Yankess. Im thinking they are going to have to eat at least half of those contracts though to get anything of value in return.

The Reds play in a hitters ball park yet they were one of the worst offensiveteams in the NL last year. HOW does trading Phillips away improve the team?

Todd Frazier might be good but is he going to hit ove 20 Home RUns, steal over 20 bases, drive in over 90 Runs and play Gold Glove caliber defeense too?

I don't think so.

With Scott Rolen not likely to play more than 120 Games next year, the Reds NEED as much offense (and defense) as they can get. So trading Brandon Phillips makes NO SENSE.

The Reds are not in a position to compete next year. In my mind, the Reds #1 priority should be finding a way to run Dusty out of town. That guy is a complete moron. Second would be finding a way to dump CoCo and Harang while absorbing as little of their salary as possible. 2011 would be my target. A healthy Voltron with Cuteo and Bailey has the makings of a very promising 1-2-3. Heisey, Alonso, and Frazier should be ready to team with improvements from Stubbs, Bruce, and Votto. If Phillips has his option picked up, that would be a VERY competitive team with some payroll flexibility that offseason as well.

"The Reds play in a hitters ball park yet they were one of the worst offensiveteams in the NL last year. HOW does trading Phillips away improve the team?"

It makes sense for them to trade him if they can send Harang or Arroyo along with him. $20M in salary relief goes a long way for a small market team.

Phillips and alonso wpuldnt be bad, but the mets have a similar player with ike davis, so it wouldn't exactly help that much

Face it, if the Reds trade Harang, Arroyo or Phillips so as to be able to reduce salary and sign Jonny Gomes and Ramon Hernandez, they will be a WORSE team in 2010 because of it.

It would be better to keep those three, sign Gomes to a low cost contract and let Hernandez GO.

If Gomes wants a $3 or $4 million dollar contract for one year then either let him go OR sign him for that and THEN trade him for some youth.

If the Reds ownership isn't going to pony up the cash to improve the product they put out on the field then the Front Office needs to start to get creative and find different ways to try and win more Games.

Tim lincecum is really the only guy I see that be traded

I hope he hiits free agency just to see how much the yankees will give him

8years 200 million soundsright lol

That I can't see*

samsonite168-

20 mil does go a long way if they traded phillips and harang. How would you use it to help fix the club?

1. Resign Ramon or another C 3 mil
2. Sign Orlando Cabrerra 5 mil
3. sign Pineiro or Davis 4-6 mil
4. Sign a low risk high reward P such as Sheets/Penny/Bedard 4 mil

I don't know exactly what the players would want but it couldn't be much more than that at each slot

I don't want to trade Alonso but if you really want to give us JJ and Escobar for phillips and alonso I would be HAPPY to do so...

Phillips and Harrang would be perfect for the Mets. Not sure if they have enough to offer though regarding prospects...Harrang would be a decent #2 and Phillips would certainly be a nice bat in the lineup at a position they could use. Would help the Mets to focus on a C and a 1B from there on.

Production of: escobar + frazier >>> phillips + janish

I think Harang would be capable of an ERA below 4 if he were with the Mets with the field they play at plus 15+ wins since the Mets might be able to score more than two runs a game for Harang unlike the Reds lately

Rob Dicken,

Here is my thoughts about Gomes.

Yes, he had a good year BUT can he do it again?

The Reds picked Mike Lincoln up off the scrap heap. He hadn't pitched in the Majors since 2004 but had a good year in 2008. The Reds think he is different than before so they give him a two year contract.

He then gets injured again and throws only 19 Innings (with an ERA over 8) in 2009.

The Reds pick Jerry Hairston Jr up off the scrap heap in March of 2008. He has a CAREER year and the Reds think he is different so they give him a riase from $800,000 to $2 million (with another possible $2 million in incentives). HE then proceeds to go BACK to being a .260 hitter in 2009 and is traded to the Yankees.

Willy Taveras had a good HALF a season in 2007 with the Rockies and stole 68 bases in 2008 but is DFA'd. The Reds THINK he can help them out JUST BECAUSE HE STOLE 68 BASES and sign him to a two year, $6.25 million dollar contract. In oding this they by pass going for a proven power hitter to play Left Field.

Taveras goes on to suck just as bad as Corey Patterson did in 2008 (ANOTHER player they picked up off the scrap heap and thought it was a good idea to pay $3 million dollars to).

See the pattern? The Reds misjudge talent. They see a guy have a career year and think THAT is who he is (while totally dismissing the stats from teh rest of his career). They then get fooled into thinking this player can repeat those stats and thus overpay for him.

I am afraid THAT is what is going to happen with Gomes. They sign him to a big dollar contract and then he reverts back to being a not-so-productive player.

The Reds being the Reds, they wont bench him (because of that contract) so they will continue to run him out there EVERY DAY NO MATTER WHAT (see Patterson, Taveras, Alex Gonzalez, Jerry Hairston Jr, etc) and HOPE he gets better.

Meanwhile, he is hurting the team and costing potential Wins.

No, if trading Harang, Arroyo or Phillips is what the Reds want to do just so they can reduce payroll and resign Gomes and Hernandez, I am against it.

I say keep those three and let Hanigan catch and Dickerson and Balentien play Left Field.

Reds23,

Yeah, that one was a heartbreaker. A rare Complete game loss.

In some games I felt like after he gave up a single run the game was already over. And sadly I was often right.

only way the Dodgers touch phillips or Aroyyo is if they start with Dee Gordon.

Gordon would be the SS the system has lacked in years.
They would also have to include a couple other spects to get the deal done.

I'm thinking Lambo, Gordon and middle tier SP prospect (Withrow).

Without 2 of those 3 Phillips would stay in Cincy. If they included 2 of them they would deal Phillips

I move Cordero only. The Reds have internal replacements, he would be one of the best closers on the market so while his salary is high I think he would still have value.

Harang and Arroyo are needed because of lack of pitching depth that will be ready by ST.

Phillips is still cheap for his production

If the Reds want to save money they should haven't given out around ten million dollars to guys that were worse then minor league FA and a manager that the majority of the fan base could out manage.

If the Reds are to move anyone though they need to bring back a C, SS, or SP

Reds trade Cordero, Dickerson and Fransico to the Angels for Brandon Wood, Jeff Mathis and Fuentes.

"Reds trade Cordero, Dickerson and Fransico to the Angels for Brandon Wood, Jeff Mathis and Fuentes.

Posted by: schellis | November 12, 2009 at 11:03 PM"

I like the sound of that.

As long as we have Toothpick we will not do anything resembling TLR haha they are not fond of each other and I like that Angels trade as well...gives us options and a couple mil in relief

And you give the Dodgers Phillips alone or one of Harang/Arroyo along with it?

only way the Dodgers touch phillips or Aroyyo is if they start with Dee Gordon.

Gordon would be the SS the system has lacked in years.
They would also have to include a couple other spects to get the deal done.

I'm thinking Lambo, Gordon and middle tier SP prospect (Withrow).

Without 2 of those 3 Phillips would stay in Cincy. If they included 2 of them they would deal Phillips"

WHAT!?! Dee Gordon is our SS of the future. Even when we were talking about Halladay/Felix, Gordon was off limits.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/roy-halladay-rumors-thursday-3.html

But he should go for Phillips, as part of a package?!?! Then, you want to include one of our best hitting prospects in Lambo. Then, to top it off, you want to include a 'middle tier SP prospect'. However, you say Withrow, who has the potential of Billingsley, aka, bonafide ace.

Nice try

welp sounds like the dodgers wouldn't do that deal from the way they kept him out of the halladay talks

You're a moron who obviously doesnt know the Dodgers system. You go from Phllips and a starter for 3 of our top guys, and now you change it.

For Phillips alone, you want our SS of the future, who was untouchable for Halladay or Felix Hernandez!, a potential ace, a guy who can start closing this year, and a guy who was switched to catcher, has a good bat, but needs to learn to call a game.

Please just stop, you're making a fool of yourself.

And 'consider throwing in Harang or Arroyo. If they up the ante'!?!?! My God, you're lucky you dont live in LA, you'd be punched in the face...

If you had a brain you would realize that most of the spects i mentioned have question marks.

none of them are for sure things. Lindbolm is far from being a sure thing. Withrow has potential but he could breakdown injury wise and never fulfill his potential. Delcomino is in Low A and he needs to show more promise with his stick before u pronounce him an All-Star. Gordon forgranted has potential, he might and might not tap into it. The Dodgers will be lucky if 2 of the 4 pan out.

Not a bad exchange for a all-star 2nd and SP who will throw 200+ innings.

As for your Felix and Haladay comment. Felix was never leaving, we all know that. Haladay might have left town and if the Dodgers had a brain they would have dealt Gordon plus for Haladay. Not having any type of rotation is what cost u in the playoffs. It will continue to cost the Dodgers until they get Kershaw some help. Bills is not the answer even if u think he is a "BONAFIDE ACE". haha.

Bills will never be more than a #3 until he figure out how to throw a strike. The kid has no control. He has filty stuff but stuff only gets you so far.

Don't throw around bonafide ace and bills in the same sentence. an ace has a whip around 1.00 not 1.30-1.40."

Did you just sleep under a rock for the first 3 months of the year? Or the offseason? Maybe you heard about him breaking a leg? Yea, coming off that broken leg, a 3.3 ERA in the first 90 games, then the leg began acting up.

And yes, he does need to throw more strikes. But have you seen him pitch when he's healthy? Obviously not...

Withrow struck out 10.4/9 in his first pro year. He originally not allowed to start to try to save his arm the following year. He has the same body type and stuff as Billz, just needs to get used to being a starter. He can be an ace, accept it. And Withrow was hurt in his opening year, thats it. Not 'injury issues'.

You're living two years in the past with Lambo. When drafted, he had a horrible attitude and smoked pot in HS. They drafted him and told him he could either be an MLB player or dead at 25. He went with the 1st and is a VERY GOOD 'spect', as you call him. Did you see his AFL #s?

And Id love to meet your 'friend'. Because he obviously doesnt know jack s*** about dodger prospects.

What makes you think that Phillips is even worth Gordon alone? a GG?

Beckett Lester

This is the same organization who gave up

Carlos Santana for Casey Blake

and

Josh Bell for Sherill

The trade might sound crazy now but the Dodgers have done stupider things in the past 18 months.

Posted by: rupe34 | November 12, 2009 at 11:45 PM

Doing "stupider" :) things in the past does not anticipate future bad trades. At teh time he was traded, Santana was not the player he is now. He was also blocked by Martin who was coming off of a monster year. At the time of that trade, that was not a bad move at all. The Bell-Sherrill trade may turn out poorly based on how Bell has performed so far, but Sherrill was clutch down the stretch for LA. Neither one of those trades are 1/2 as bad as the trade that you posted above. That would honestly be one of the worst trades of all time if it went through.