Rosenthal On Gonzalez, Beckett, De La Rosa

Oh no, I forsee a ton of Mets fanboy freakout and rationalization in this thread.

I kinda hate how pitchers/agents use bad contracts to justify their own worth. Using something like Perez, Silva, or Burnett (though Burnett actually semi performed but not on an $16.5MM level) is crap. It sucks that the flub of one GM makes its harder for other GMs next year.

"•According to Rosenthal, "some who know [Matt] Holliday say he would prefer not to play in New York."

Anyone smell a Boras tactic?

I'm sure Boras knows the remedy for the Mets or Yankees. $5-6mill per year should get Holliday to like NY a lot better...

"According to Rosenthal, "some who know [Matt] Holliday say he would prefer not to play in New York."

Just a FYI, some guy named Sabathia said the same thing last year...

Maybe Holliday doesn't want to play in New York.

Maybe it is a Boras leak-job to convince STL to up the offer.

I'm sure if a New York team offers the most money, he's going to sign with a New York team.. unless it is the Mets. They are an awful team, poorly run from the top on down, with a manager and general manager who look weak.. a segregated clubhouse and nothing but question marks down on the farm.

I think the Metropolitans would have to seriously overpay to get him. Why else would anyone want to play there?

The Mets may lose out on Matt Holliday to the Yankees or Cardinals but they still have plenty of options left via trade a free agency. A name i've been petitioning for a long time is Brad Hawpe. His defense in the OF is in check but he is still young enough to play there 1 and two i'm sure he would be willing to move to 1B if necessary. If all else fails, just go with a youth movement. Fernando Martinez and Josh Thole both deserve to start if all else fails. I'd rather march young guns out there, then parade the old guys like Santos, Tatis, Cora, etc

Why does everybody hate the Mets?

And I'll tell you why he'd wanna come play there. Because they have the ability to throw the most money at him. (That's if the Yankees don't get involved in the bidding).

And Yankee fans, just letting you know, your beloved Alex Rodriguez openly stated he wishes he had signed with the Mets.

@ Queens King

If the Red Sox offer something close to what the Mets do, then I wouldn't be surprised--even with the Mets offering the most money out of the bidders--to see Holliday patrolling the Green Monster next year.

Lets blend the Mets and Yankees for the Ultimate NY Team:
C-Posada
1B-Teixeira
2B-Reyes
3B-Rodriguez
SS-Jeter
LF-Damon
CF-Beltran
RF-Swisher
DH-Wright

SP-Sabathia
SP-Santana
SP-Burnett
SP-Pettitte
SP-Pelfrey

SU-Hughes
SU-Joba
SU-Rodriguez
CP-Rivera

Bench
Cano
Francoeur
Hairston Jr
Castillo

@ withpower

I personally hate the Mets because in the Johan Santana negotiations, they offered a bunch of mediocre players and in return received the best pitcher in baseball. The Mets had no buisness being in trade negotiations--like they shouldn't be right now-- because their farm system is a crock.

Remember when Carlos Beltran offered to play for the Yankees for less money?

soxcurse,

Holliday and the Red Sox and Yankees is a tough read.

I think both clubs like him but are sort of unsure of how to go about it.

It's like people want to believe he's a good hitter and don't want to put too much stock in his Colorado road numbers (after all, the NL West outside of Coors are the most pitcher friendly parks in the bigs) or whatever happened in Oakland.

But there remains uncertainty of giving a guy $100 million + if he could turn out to be a .480 SLG hitter. My gut tells me either Boston or New York would be happy with him in the long run, but I'm glad it's not my money.

soxcurse:

so, you are a sore loser, I get it now..

@ withpower

I personally hate the Mets because in the Johan Santana negotiations, they offered a bunch of mediocre players and in return received the best pitcher in baseball. The Mets had no buisness being in trade negotiations--like they shouldn't be right now-- because their farm system is a crock.

I was thinking the same the same thing. The Red Sox offered Buchholz, Ellsburry, and Lester and they turned that down. Which Met prospect worked out for Minnesota again?

I personally hate the Mets because in the Johan Santana negotiations, they offered a bunch of mediocre players and in return received the best pitcher in baseball. The Mets had no buisness being in trade negotiations--like they shouldn't be right now-- because their farm system is a crock."

Aaaahahahahaha. Bitter much? How is it the Mets fault in the slightest that the Twins picked their package even though the Yanks and Sox had better ones?

why is everyone hating on the mets? its not like we are the pirates?

we have one of the best core in the game in reyes, wright, beltran, santana and k-rod. we were just unlucky with the injuries last season. we will be back on top!!!

Posted by: metsfan08 | November 08, 2009 at 10:55 AM
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Why do people hate the Mets? It is because of statements like that. People don't hate the Pirates because they don't have zillions of obnoxious fans who think their team is the best in baseball when they clearly are not. NO, you do not have the best "core" in baseball....not even close.

if arod played for the mets he would be the shortstop im assuming and reyes at second, but i hope the yanks just resign matsui AND damon in stead of holliday/ bay but it would be intresting for them to sign vlad lol

LMAO i find it hilarious watching the two buttbuddies withpower and soxcurse talk...haha u 2 need to hop off each others dicks...the mets had an injury plagued season if they get healthy and make a few good moves this offseason they will be right back up at the top..and I will say this now...Matt Holliday will be a met come 2010...u 2 are pathetic...

Posted by: metsfan(sigh) | November 08, 2009 at 11:48 AM

It's like you Mets fans think that your guys just need to get healthy and everybody else in your division is just existing in a vacuum.

Even with Matt Holliday, I don't see how the Mets are better than Philadelphia (who you couldn't beat even when healthy...) or even Atlanta.

I understand keeping hope alive and fighting the good fight, but it is very hard to take Mets fans seriously. A dreadful team with no direction, but they are going to be the class of baseball.

You can't make this **** up.

It's like you Mets fans think that your guys just need to get healthy and everybody else in your division is just existing in a vacuum.

that is not what I said..I said if we get healthy and make a few good moves then we should be back to contenders next year..such as signing Holliday and Lackey and then trading for a first baseman such as konerko or lee or Gonzo..If we did that then yes we would compete next year..and kid what team R u a fan of anyways?

And this Rosenthal part about Gonzalez doesn't really make much sense. He is saying the Red Sox probably need to trade someone from the MLB roster...well Buchholz and Bard are both on the MLB roster, and most people think that one of them would be in a deal. So...what is his point? The only "prospects" he named were Lars Anderson and Michael Bowden, I don't think even Red Sox fan boys think Gonzalez could be had for that.

New York Yankees. Know your place, son.

LOL another dumbass proud yankee fan..even though they bought themselves a world series...and u now want them to also go out and buy holliday..haha wow yankee fans are something else...

metsfan(sigh),, At least we buy championships !.. . You guys buy 2nd to last place in a horrible divison. have fun rotting again next year .

Go Yanks number 28

@ A

Um. Pretty sure we do.

"Which Met prospect worked out for Minnesota again?"

Twins fans have high hopes for J.J. Hardy.

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Why does everybody hate the Mets?

And I'll tell you why he'd wanna come play there. Because they have the ability to throw the most money at him. (That's if the Yankees don't get involved in the bidding).

And Yankee fans, just letting you know, your beloved Alex Rodriguez openly stated he wishes he had signed with the Mets."

Don't you have to be on top first to be "back on top"? Mets haven't been on top since 2006 and they choked even then in the NLCS when they were heavily favored and had homefield advantage.

People are going to disagree when it comes to their favorite sports teams... get over it. As for Holliday not wanting to come to New York? Thank God, he would choke worse than A-rod's former self in the playoffs on this stage. But as for all this stuff about dissension in the Mets clubhouse and the such... do not speak of that which you know nothing about. After all, the press are the most upstanding citizens in our country and are just oozing with class.

Hey, moron, "FORMER SELF"! As in NOT IN 2009! And how is the 2009 World Series Champions relevant to the argument at hand? Stop telling me to decease introducing irrelevancies when you are the one who is perpetuating it, you just look ignorant.
A-rod was just an example, so good job jumping down my throat on something that wasn't even the point of my argument.

Go watch some gymnastics.

Boston could trade for Gonzalez tomorrow if they wanted to, it's a question of what they're willing to give up.