Padres, Cubs Eyeing Jermaine Dye

THURSDAY, 8:06am: MLB.com's Corey Brock has a source saying a Dye deal is "low on likelihood" for the Padres.  More likely would be Randy Winn or Jerry Hairston Jr., to whom the Padres have made offers.  Another mild possibility for Dye is the Cubs.  The Chicago Tribune's Paul Sullivan says they're looking at him for a platoon/backup/DH role.

WEDNESDAY, 11:02am: The Padres are showing interest in free agent outfielder Jermaine Dye, according to Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports.  However, Morosi believes the Padres would have to trade a veteran to be able to afford him.  He names Heath Bell and Kevin Kouzmanoff as trade candidates.

Dye isn't a great fit for a National League club, given his outfield defense.  And he's not the type of free agent you make other moves to accomodate.  Given the limited interest, I can't see him getting much more than $3MM.


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173 Comments on "Padres, Cubs Eyeing Jermaine Dye"


YanksFanSince78
5 years 7 months ago

What? Huh? I can’t even comprehend the Padres trading an assett (Heath Bell) for someone like Dye, who at best, is a complementary player at this stage of his career.

55saveslives
5 years 7 months ago

Dye is a FA.

5 years 7 months ago

he meant trading one of there high paid players to be able to afford dye like the article says

55saveslives
5 years 7 months ago

It’s been reported before that the Pads have 7-8 mill to spend. Why would they have to trade anyone to afford a 3mill player?

5 years 7 months ago

i saw that too, i have no idea. maybe to free up as much money as possible to try and retain a-gon or create more leverage in a trade by being able to afford him.

5 years 7 months ago

and if im not mistaken dont they have an arbitration hearing with bell whos price is sure to increase

YanksFanSince78
5 years 7 months ago

I was just going by what Morosi allegedly wrote. If they have to move Bell or Koz to afford Dye then that would be a mistake.

brewersfan
5 years 7 months ago

He could play first base if they decide to move Adrian Gonzalez before spring training

Guest
5 years 7 months ago

NO, Blanks would be their 1st baseman if they traded Adrian, period.

brewersfan
5 years 7 months ago

Sounds reasonable…I just have a hard time believing they think Dye can play the OF in Petco. Thanks for the clarification.

Guest
5 years 7 months ago

I agree, I wrote my thoughts below.

5 years 7 months ago

They would look terrible if they traded Bell just to afford Dye, who is an atrocious fielder. What an awful move that would be.

Grey Suit
5 years 7 months ago

The Padre are talking about moving Bell regardless of if they sign Dye or not. Also its not the Padres that are saying that they would need to move Bell to sign Dye its the author of the article speculating what they would have to do to be able to afford him.

Grey Suit
5 years 7 months ago

It would be a good move for the Padres if they could sign him for one year at $3M and they were able to move Kouz. Dye would help take some of the pressure off of Venable, and Blanks in their Soph season and is a good alternative to Gwynn against lefties.

bigpat
5 years 7 months ago

They should just sign Reed Johnson who can actually play the field and hit vs lefties. Blanks deserves a starting job, but he could start ahead of Venable or Gwynn, or platoon at least.

It’s pitiful they’d have to trade someone to bring in a free agent when their payroll is already miniscule. But if they were to trade someone, I think it should be Kouz. He might not be a bad player, just needs a change of scenery, and they need Headley on 3B.

Morillo24
5 years 7 months ago

Dye in LF and Ellsbury in CF would have been way better offensively and would have cost much more less than the Cameron-Ellsbury Combo and less comittment than the 2 years to Cameron, how many times will be said that Cameron was OVERPAID. This thread makes anybody who isnt familiar with Jermaine Dye’s numbers think he is at the end of his rope, he is no all-star but has had pretty respectable numbers the last couple of years, in my opinion he is a bargain at 3 MM. THEO=OVERRATED

ilikebaseball
5 years 7 months ago

it also would have been much worse defensively. cameron’s offense > dye’s defense. i definitely see your point, but the sox clearly wanted to concentrate on defense and dye doesn’t fit that mold.

whitesoxfan424
5 years 7 months ago

Dye in Fenway’s LF would have been fine, it’s so small. If Manny could play it, Dye definitely could play it. Plus with his canon, he’d probably set his career mark for outfield assists.

ilikebaseball
5 years 7 months ago

Right. But they weren’t just looking for someone who would be adequate in LF, they were looking for someone who would be a defensive difference maker in LF. Their motto this year is “a run saved is just as good as a run created”. We’ll see how it plays out.

whitesoxfan424
5 years 7 months ago

I understand, but if that’s the case, I would keep Elsbury in CF… he was great there last year.

ilikebaseball
5 years 7 months ago

He was great because his speed covered up his poor reads on balls in play. That’s why he had so many eye popping catches…he’s good, but he’s not Cameron. I’m not saying Cameron + Ellsbury was definitely a better way to go than Ellsbury + Dye. I just don’t know if Cameron is going to be the bust that everyone thinks he’ll be.

whitesoxfan424
5 years 7 months ago

I understand, but if that’s the case, I would keep Elsbury in CF… he was great there last year.

Morillo24
5 years 7 months ago

They concentrated too much on Defense, your lineup should be balanced offensively and defensively, their OF will be the less offensive they have put together in years, just pray for Drew not to get hurt wich will be almost impossible and Cameron not to finish the season with a 243 AVG…

whitesoxfan424
5 years 7 months ago

The bosox should sign JD to play the first half of the season to allow for Drew to be healthy the complete second half of the season. $3-5 Mil for 1 yr… hahaha

whitesoxfan424
5 years 7 months ago

The bosox should sign JD to play the first half of the season to allow for Drew to be healthy the complete second half of the season. $3-5 Mil for 1 yr… hahaha

5 years 7 months ago

Just the thought of JD in Petco’s outfield should be enough reason to skip him. Having to shed salary to do so is above and beyond.

5 years 7 months ago

I hope JD signs soon, so theres no thought of him coming back to the Sox.

brewersfan
5 years 7 months ago

Any National League general manager would be out of their mind to sign Dye and play him in the OF. He is a DH and nothing more.

Maximus_Mansteel
5 years 7 months ago

And that’s Jim Hendry’s cue to sign him.

theriot
5 years 7 months ago

Isn’t that the sad truth Maximus

Maximus_Mansteel
5 years 7 months ago

Spoken like a true Cubs fan. Don’t worry, it’ll be alright. Wait, no it won’t. *weeps quietly*

theriot
5 years 7 months ago

…. yea, maybe next year

Guest
5 years 7 months ago

If they got Dye for 3 Million I wouldn’t be mad, I would be confused!I guess he could play right field while Blanks was in LF and TGJ and Venable were Patrolling CF then it would be a certain that Kouz or Headley were going to be moved, not exactly a shocker if it were either player. It also eliminates players like Reed Johnson or any platoon type players. If they did sign Dye, my immediate reaction would be they are going to trade Adrian now. Today the Padres outfielders, Chase Headley( natural position 3rd) Will Venable, a solid RF not REALLY a CF but can play but not IDEAL for Petco’s confines. Kyle Blanks(a natural first baseman but VERY VERY athletic) but with his size (280LBS/ 6’6″) rises concerns of Blanks playing everyday in Petco day and day out. Then Tony Gwynn Jr. not fast enough to be a burner, not really a good enough hitter with power to be an every day player but is a good 4th outfield type.Knowing Blanks is more suited to be a first baseman, Headley at 3rd and Venable not an ideal CF and the fact that their new GM Jed “the Jedi” Hoyer emphasizes Defense, Speed, Pitching, my only conclusion would be that many moves would be coming after that. Maybe not right away, but adding Dye really doesn’t fit the “mold” of Hoyer’s Emphasis, “playing to Petco’s advantage”.

fnpadre
5 years 7 months ago

Why would Dye have any impact on trading AGon or not? I would think it has more of an impact on trading Kouz than anything. Headley/Gwynn/Venable/Dye would be one of the worst OF defense in the majors. If we get Headley back to 3B, it would at least relieve some of the logjam. This team needs offense and I think I might be able to live with a Blanks/Gwynn/Venable/Dye group if they could give AGon some protection.

A 1yr/$3M deal for Dye would be super low-risk too…

Guest
5 years 7 months ago

Kouz or Headley will be going no matter what!Can you honestly say you see an outfield of Blanks LF, Venable CF, Dye RF? Does that provide Adrian with some protection more so in contrast to other years, yes, but it also just made the Padres outfield atrocious for a team that has been saying “build Petco to our advantage”. Speed, pitching and defense!Adrian will be traded at some point, its not if, its when!It would make MORE sense if Adrian were traded IF the picked up Dye IN THE sense that now Blanks could be moved to 1st, his natural pos. Headley, his natural Pos. 3rd and SOME what take the 4th spot over for Adrian rather than protect him. Meaning when they trade A Gone, because they will, they will no longer have a Vet #4 middle of the lineup guy. Allowing for whom ever else in the trade would be coming in to the Padres as well, maybe another outfielder who knows..In that case you would have1. Everth Cabrera SS2. David Eckstein 2nd3. Chase Headley 3rd OR trade Chase and keep Kouz then again the batting order would be shuffled.4. Jemaine Dye RF5. Kyle Blanks 1st he will start somewhere! LF or 1st base, he will be an opening day starter6. Will Venable LF7. Nick Hundley/ Dusty Ryan C8. Tony Gwynn Jr. CF, OR a player the Padres bring in the Adrian trade… I also still do not rule out Ellsbury in that case the lineup would look much different!It makes much more sense to get players playing their natural POS. instead of making it one of the worst outfields in all of BB. Now of course the IE the Padres could make it work for awhile and it would be good PR to have Adrian and Dye in the same lineup but not realistic long term and again Adrian will be dealt, NO WAY the reach agreement, thats coming from someone who REALLY does not want to see Adrian move, its just realistic, its going to happen, period.

fnpadre
5 years 7 months ago

If you trade Kouz and move Headley to 3B, then you only have ONE player out of position (Blanks in LF)…He was going to be in the OF anyway, right? That’s not a big deal at all, imo, and is well worth the defensive hit that Dye brings.

This team needs offense in a terrible way and a 4-5 OF rotation of Blanks-Venable-Gwynn-Dye-J Hairston(?) would help keep everyone fresh. Gwynn is an ideal late-inning replacement.

Guest
5 years 7 months ago

Not really, you have a guy like Blanks that has very limited time in his life in the outfield let alone on a pro level and he went down to a foot injury late in the year, a man that big no matter how well he is playing now is better suited for 1st.Yes, he was going to be in the outfield anyway but now you just added another sub par defender to roam Petco? Not only that, they want Venable in everyday, him playing CF full time doesn’t make sense either! Especially NOT FOR PETCO!3 outfielders that are out of pos in a sense, Venable not IDEAL at all for CF full time. Blanks, very very good athlete but would be much better suited at 1st long term. Dye, really.. enough said. Its Petco, not a pony field, a lot of room one of the hardest parks in BB to cover period!

fnpadre
5 years 7 months ago

I’m just as worried about Blanks’ knees/feet/legs in the OF as the next guy…but the Padres don’t seem interested in trading AGon anytime soon, at least until they try to talk about an extension, so Blanks was going to be in the OF to start the season. To try and minimize his injury risk, they’d probably like to put him in LF as opposed to RF…Dye helps them accomplish this.

What’s “ideal” and what’s “available” for the Padres are very different things…

Guest
5 years 7 months ago

What is “available” just made your outfield a joke!

Now if were talking a above AVG defender like Nady, I am with that! But Dye, come on….

“the Padres don’t seem interested in trading AGon anytime soon, at least until they try to talk about an extension”

They are playing poker man, they are not going to scream Adrian is available because right now for ONCE they have they leverage in trading him, being the biggest chip in all of baseball, he will not sign in SD (for an SD discount) especially when your power is basically taken away from you to RF and RCF and he has been very outspoken about the fences! They cannot afford Texiera like money and Adrian will be in that “ballpark” money wise.

I still see Adrian traded, maybe not now but knowing either way you are going to have to trade your star player of that caliber you do need a VET presence in your lineup after he is gone, like a Nady or Dye to be the #4 hitter.

Blanks was going to start in LF anyway, with Venable in right and TGJ in CF with a possible platoon, I doubt they were going to start Blanks full time in RF.

fnpadre
5 years 7 months ago

Predictions for Dye and Blanks for 2010 have them combining for 50 HR and 180 RBI…I’ll take that “joke” any day over the combo of Headley/Venable that we were running out in the corner OF spots at the end of last year.

I’d have no problem bringing Nady in either…he could be alright. His defense is marginal, his bat is slightly above average, doesn’t cost much…sure, he’d fit with the Padres, but again, far from “ideal”.

Guest
5 years 7 months ago

Dye going from Chicago to Petco will not help anything offensively, NOR defensively, which I should point out it was not that great at all last year!Again your addressing the offense and dismissing how atrocious the outfield would be, how many runs would the padres be giving up on defense in contrast to even an AVG outfield in Petco no less!!! The runs given up would not even close to justify a dilapidating Dye!”I’d have no problem bringing Nady in either…he could be alright. His defense is marginal, his bat is slightly above average, doesn’t cost much…sure, he’d fit with the Padres, but again, far from “ideal”.”You might want to take another look at Nady’s line, his scouting on his defense as well, you are FAR OFF! Nady is a good defender with a good arm (if healthy) and his bat is far from “slightly average”. He is a threat, he is not old and does strike fear into pitchers, Hoyer, the Padres GM conceded that when he was in Bo. they were not thrilled about Nady being picked up by the Yankees because he is a very good ball player and has a nice bat!

fnpadre
5 years 7 months ago

I’m looking at Nady’s defensive lines over at fangraphs…and I’m seeing a career UZR of -2.1 and 1.8 for LF/RF, respectively and a career OF UZR of -4.5 I see some error-less seasons, but a lot of negative numbers where his arm and range are concerned. Those observations seem to support my claim that Nady is a “marginal” OF, wouldn’t you say? Dye is worse obviously, but Nady’s not great either…and as far as his bat goes, I’m guessing he’d end up .275/.335/.440 type line who’s going to strike out 100-120 times in a year. Is that really “a threat”? Just what kind of player do you think Nady is?Am I crazy or should “addressing the offense” be the absolute top priority for a team that finished (again) near dead last in the league in every offensive category?

Guest
5 years 7 months ago

NO, you said his bat is slightly above avg. That was my main gripe with your comment, but I do not totally dismiss sabermetrics I also have seen him play and tend to listen to scouting reports by authoritative sources/ scouts over sabermetrics any day!But how could you be critical of Nady defensively but then turn around and want Dye? You criticize the obvious superior defender in Nady? YES superior at this point in every aspect of his game baring injury.What your definition of “marginal” that to me would imply below AVG, very limited… Nady is not period. All these adjectives, slight, small, tiny, minute, insignificant, minimal, negligible. do not support Nady even with his UZR career.”Am I crazy or should “addressing the offense” be the absolute top priority for a team that finished (again) near dead last in the league in every offensive category?”Absolutely, but not at the cost of more runs given up on defensive to counter act any upgrade by the offense which IMO would not be significant ENOUGH, it would be a joke of an outfield.Even Nady would not be the Padres ideal choice as a defender because they want a outfielder that can hit lefties and play all outfield spots, Nady doesn’t fit that bill but bye FAR is superior defender to Dye, so I could understand that move MUCH more given his age, speed and defense for Petco. “I’m guessing he’d end up .275/.335/.440 type line who’s going to strike out 100-120 times in a year. Is that really “a threat”? I understand there’s probably not much difference between Nady and Dye in terms of production these days, but just what kind of player do you think Nady really is?”What are you basing that on? How many HR? There very diff players actually. Nady is still in his prime to some degree while Dye is regressing in every aspect of his game. Dye is slow, Nady is not! Nady will hit for a higher AVG. They both strike out, MOST power hitters DO! “Nady’s not great either”I never said his defense was! I still maintain Nady is an above AVG outfielder especially in contrast to a dilapidating player past his prime in Dye. Defensively there really is NO comparison!What was Nady’s UZR in Pittsburgh when he was healthy?”who’s going to strike out 100-120 times in a year.”I think the most Nady has ever struck out was 101 times full year or not.

I also believe since 06 Dye’s UZR has been right around -20 or so.

fnpadre
5 years 7 months ago

Your main gripe is that you think Nady is an “above average” bat? Based on one year in Pittsburgh? Sorry, but Nady’s not getting anywhere close to a .305/.357/.510 line in Petco….THAT was his prime, he’s not getting close to that any time soon. He’ll be 31 next year, so we’ve got maybe one year of “prime” left…do you think he exceeds the line I predicted for him?How many HRs will he hit? I dunno…if I set the over/under at 21, would you take the over? The point is, if you put Nady and Dye in the same ballpark, I’ll put my money on Dye hitting more HR every time…As for the defense, we’re really just arguing semantics…the point is, he’s not going to win a gold glove, he’ll probably make a handful of errant throws during the season, miss the cutoff man, and look clumsy on those awkward bounces in RF in Petco. Nady’s defense is only an “advantage” because it’s not as bad as Dye’s, but I’d argue it’s not going to make a statistical difference in the Padres ability to win games during the season.Dye’s offense however, has the potential to put up 25+ HR and knock some guys around the bases. Even during his worst statistical season last year, Dye still excelled at the plate with RISP (especially with a runner on 3rd and less than 2 out…a situation you know this team has been awful at lately…) On a team that’s been DREADFUL at the plate the last few years, that’s a trade-off I’m willing to make.

Nady’s UZR in Pitt were worse than his career totals, for the record…

Guest
5 years 7 months ago

“Nady’s defense is only an “advantage” because it’s not as bad as Dye’s, but I’d argue it’s not going to make a statistical difference in the Padres ability to win games during the season.”Not as bad? NOT EVEN CLOSE!!!Dye going from Cellular field blah blah none of that even matters, flat our Nady is head and shoulders above Dye defensively, but even that not the point entirely, point is, Dye in the outfield would make Venable the CF that would be a down grade too. It changes the whole dynamics of the outfield, I already said, Hoyer is emphasizing on speed and defense, period, it wont happen! Blanks, Venable, Dye. I don’t think ONE authoritative source or organization would compromise their outfield ESPECIALLY in Petco and the REST of the division for Dye to get an upgrade that would not be incredibly substantial. If two of your other fielders were well above AVG ok, moot discussion, if they get Dye Adrian will be gone. They will not have Blanks, Venable, Dye in the outfield period. IF they made some moves to bring in another speedster type outfielder like I said from the very beginning it starts to make more sense.

Dye is a BAD defender Nady is not cased closed!

fnpadre
5 years 7 months ago

The Dye move _on it’s own_ doesn’t make any sense, that I agree with. Only when we see the secondary moves will things start to come into focus. Ideally, a Kouz (or Headley) trade would follow.
Nady is a better defender than Dye…this I also agree with (and have from the beginning).

I disagree with just about everything else you said though…
-You have yet to explain how Nady’s offense is superior to Dye’s.
-The OF has been “compromised” since the first day they stuck Ryan Klesko out in LF. Do I need to mention that LF has also been occupied by the likes of Terrmel Sledge, Hiram Bocachica, Chase Headley, and even Miguel freakin’ Ojeda recently?
-AKAIK, Venable was already penciled to rotate between CF/RF depending on the matchups. Bringing in Dye moves Gwynn to a 4th OF role, something that he seems more accustomed for anyway. Plus, I doubt Bud would hesitate to give Dye a couple days off during the week, meaning Venable will still get his 300-400 ABs for the year.
-I still don’t see why bringing in Dye (or Nady for that matter) would have any bearing on what Jed wants to do with AGon.
-As I said before, what Jed wants to do and what the payroll restrictions allow him to do could be very different things.

Guest
5 years 7 months ago

Dye going from Chicago to Petco will not help anything offensively, NOR defensively, which I should point out it was not that great at all last year!Again your addressing the offense and dismissing how atrocious the outfield would be, how many runs would the padres be giving up on defense in contrast to even an AVG outfield in Petco no less!!! The runs given up would not even close to justify a dilapidating Dye!”I’d have no problem bringing Nady in either…he could be alright. His defense is marginal, his bat is slightly above average, doesn’t cost much…sure, he’d fit with the Padres, but again, far from “ideal”.”You might want to take another look at Nady’s line, his scouting on his defense as well, you are FAR OFF! Nady is a good defender with a good arm (if healthy) and his bat is far from “slightly average”. He is a threat, he is not old and does strike fear into pitchers, Hoyer, the Padres GM conceded that when he was in Bo. they were not thrilled about Nady being picked up by the Yankees because he is a very good ball player and has a nice bat!

dickylarue
5 years 7 months ago

I actually like the idea of Dye in SD. He would actually give Adrian some protection in the lineup and give opposing NL teams something to deal with. The Padres can make a lot of low cost signings that can help that team win and sell tickets.

I’m sick of all the Red Sox fans talking about the Padres like they need to be broken down and sold for parts. They are already rock bottom, but some smart signings can help them win some games and make the season interesting in SD.

The NL West is a joke. Anyone can win it. I’d sign Dye on the cheap and hope it fortifies the offense enough to give the team a better chance than it has right now.

He can easily be defensively replaced late in games.

All these teams spouting defense first are going to feel differently when they are losing games because their defense can’t get a run across the plate.

Teams need to be balanced, not defense heavy. Every great team has more than a player or two who aren’t gold glovers. The Yankees just won with Cabrera in CF, Damon in LF, Swisher in RF and Posada behind the plate.

4/5 th’s of their lineup weren’t exactly defensive monsters.

brewersfan
5 years 7 months ago

You should look at Dye’s 2009 second half numbers….abysmal.

As for the Yankees, it is a little easier to overcome an average defense with Jeter, A Rod, Teixiera, Damon, and other mashers in the lineup. Do not compare the Padres to the Yankees.

dickylarue
5 years 7 months ago

I’m hardly comparing the Padres to the Yankees. My point was that all this “defense first” and defense wins stuff is pointless if your team can’t score runs. You can’t win a game without scoring a run.

All we’ve been hearing all off season is how brilliant Theo is for realizing that he should emphasize defense over offense to win a championship.

The first time Cameron and Beltre don’t come through in the clutch and lose a game for the Red Sox, the fans and the media aren’t going to care if they catch the ball better than they hit.

To say the Padres shouldn’t sign a player who can possibly hit 25-30 HR’s in a season because he’s bad defensively is silly. The Padres need offense somewhere other than 1b to win some games.

If the Padres played their cards right, they will wait out the free agent market and get bargains. There are players still on the board who are better than the players the Padres currently have penciled in and they aren’t going to cost an arm and a leg to sign for basically a year.

I don’t buy this “defense is the way” stuff. I think it’s just another way for a GM to sell to his fanbase the reason why they aren’t pursuing high dollar offensive players who cost real big money.

I understand the fact that you need to have solid defense on your team, but for a team like the Padres who are desperate for any semblance of an offense in a very weak division, it’s not out of line to suggest they sign a player who actually can hit for power.

Guest
5 years 7 months ago

great post. i agree wholeheartedly. defensive range looks to be the new overvalued stat (like OBP once upon a time), allowing power bats who can still hit the ball over the fence to be had for cheap via FA if you wait long enough.

as useful as UZR and other def metrics can be, i think these stats still do not accurately measure the value of a strong arm in the OF. how else can the “ARM” ratings in UZR for players like Guerrero, Ichiro, and Hawpe ever be measured as below avg? obviously a strong arm might compensate for bad range to an extent by holding runners, and allowing below-avg fielders to maintain effectiveness in the MLB if they can continue to hit.

whitesoxfan424
5 years 7 months ago

The two worst ballparks dye could play (defensively speaking) is Wrigley’s RF and any OF position in SD. He just doesn’t move that well anymore. He still has a canon, but he needs it once he’s picked up the ball at the wall.

Guest
5 years 7 months ago

They Padres could easily afford Dye without having to shed payroll, it has already been stated that they are adding salary, not subtracting. If they Move Kouz, Bell or Adrian these moves will have little to do with Dye and 3 million!

All those players are likely to move anyway for younger, cheaper controllable MLB ready “prospects” with high upside.

5 years 7 months ago

How does moving Kouz save really anything?

fnpadre
5 years 7 months ago

It’s not about saving money…it’s about getting Headley out of the OF.

asfan2010
5 years 7 months ago

Padres have a truckload of 3b. If they keep kouz, they’d be forced having in in LF and Blanks RF. With or without dye, that might be the worst defensive OF in mlb. The padres also have 3b prospects darnell and forsythe maybe ready by 2011. The padres should either trade headley or kouz and fill their huge CF need

bjsguess
5 years 7 months ago

I don’t like this move for either party.If Dye is taking a one year deal to boost his value Petco would be the last place on earth to try that. Remember, Dye is just a year removed from posting an OPS in the high 800’s. At the beginning of the year there was talk of the White Sox picking up his option. The season started off fine for him (942 OPS in the 1st half) but then he tanked.I think the guy has a lot to offer a club. Given a chance, on a good club, playing in a decent hitters ballpark, he could rebound nicely. That would set him up for ’11 and beyond.

fnpadre
5 years 7 months ago

Did Dye have any injury issues during the 2nd half? …or did he just come down with a bad case of “suck”?

brewersfan
5 years 7 months ago

No significant injuries….just struggled to get anything going. It stands to reason that as they made him play in the OF every day, his legs wore out and he got tired. I really would not mind it if I was a fan of an AL team and they gave Dye $3-5 million to serve as my team’s designated hitter. Playing him in the outfield, regardless of the park, is an awful idea. Besides 81 games at Petco, how about the games played at Dodger Stadium? Coors? Do you want him roaming those outfields either?

fnpadre
5 years 7 months ago

The bottom line is that the Padres need offense in a big way…even just the _threat_ of offense. They need a way to keep pitchers honest to AGon and I think Dye might be the best option given the Padres financial issues. His defense is atrocious, but Bud Black is becoming a more adept NL manager and is getting used to defensive subs/double switches so I think he could figure out ways to help keep Dye fresh and not have to play him every inning of every game. I think some combo of Blanks-Gwynn-Venable-Dye (maybe Chad Huffman too if he gets hot at AAA?) would be pretty effective.

The key to this is moving Kouz to get Headley back to 3B…I don’t want to see Headley in the OF for a single inning more.

Guest
5 years 7 months ago

Id rather see Durango if he can start actually hitting the ball out of the infield, maybe the fastest player in all of BB let alone the Padres organization. I would rather him in contrast to Huffman because he fits the “mold” of Petco park

fnpadre
5 years 7 months ago

Durango’s got a ton to work on in the OF and at the plate…he might have a worse arm than Juan Pierre. Plus, as you said, if he can’t start shooting the gaps, he’s going to have an impossible time against ML pitching…especially in the NL West.

Guest
5 years 7 months ago

I am VERY familiar with Durango, his arm is MUCH improved! I am in no way concerned with his arm, his stolen base ratio is a question mark but he is getting better and he needs to drive the ball period. When I say drive the ball I mean out of the infield lol

I don’t see any rookie on the roster unless they are playing full time, that would most likely eliminate Huffman or Durango.. for now.

fnpadre
5 years 7 months ago

haha yeah, I agree…Durango really needs to learn how to hit a line drive.

And it’s not just about his arm…he still runs poor routes, he still gets late jumps, etc. Bottom line, he needs time in AAA. Add to that his questionable bat and his raw base-running skills and there’s no way this guy should be on a major league roster to start the season.

And yes, I’d have no problem starting the season with Blanks-Venable-Gwynn-Dye as an OF. I’m not seeing many better options at this point…Reed Johnson? Blech.

Guest
5 years 7 months ago

If Dye wants to sign for 3 million yes!

But again that is a pre cursor to several moves IMO Short term solution to a BIG trade. Again IMO

Durango needs time in AAA no doubt, I am intrigued by him the more I see him though..

Guest
5 years 7 months ago

Don’t forget SF, NL West has some interesting parks to deal with outside of Chase field. in Az.

TheReturnOfMrBlanks
5 years 7 months ago

Micky what in the world is going on here? lol I take a 5 hour break from this site and we are suddenly interested in Dye? Confused is the 1st work like you said that comes to mind….. I dont know if I like any move that might take away at bats from Veneble.

There is alot of chat on here about moving Kouz, I hope we can move Headley and not Kouz but he does make alot more $ so I’m sure that is why we would do that…

Guest
5 years 7 months ago

lol no kidding right!~

Again I am certain an outfield of Blanks, Dye, Venable would be a joke.

Again to me, IMO it makes more sense if they are in the works with a deal trading A Gone.

Hey If its ONLY 3 million do it!

Still, what does that say to other teams about Kouz’s value at that point?

Very interesting at the very least.

TheReturnOfMrBlanks
5 years 7 months ago

Oh man…Hoyer don’t do it! That could be one of the slowest outfields ever in the history of MLB. Either that or one of them (Dye/Blanks/Veneble) will be riding the pine and platooning…. Veneble would have to play center… do you think he can cut it out there? Man what happened to Jerry Jr? lol I was liking that direction much more

Guest
5 years 7 months ago

I do not think Venable can handle CF everyday nor do I think its anywhere close to ideal. He is a good corner outfielder but would be a below AVG CF. For Petco not a good idea to have Venable in CF.

As I said long before there was any Jerry Hairston talk IMO the Padres cant get in ANY bidding wars with teams like the Yankees so he IMO will not be in SD. We just cant compete when other teams are bidding, maybe thats why Dye has come up no bidding lower price substantially! Even still, Dye is more of a DH and yes, the outfield would be a JOKE!!!

Guest
5 years 7 months ago

I do not think Venable can handle CF everyday nor do I think its anywhere close to ideal. He is a good corner outfielder but would be a below AVG CF. For Petco not a good idea to have Venable in CF.

As I said long before there was any Jerry Hairston talk IMO the Padres cant get in ANY bidding wars with teams like the Yankees so he IMO will not be in SD. We just cant compete when other teams are bidding, maybe thats why Dye has come up no bidding lower price substantially! Even still, Dye is more of a DH and yes, the outfield would be a JOKE!!!

fnpadre
5 years 7 months ago

You’d prefer Hairston Jr over Jermaine Dye? Now I know I’m out of touch with other Padres fans…this is what happens when speed and athleticism start to trump actual hitting ability.

TheReturnOfMrBlanks
5 years 7 months ago

Hell ya I would… he can play a solid center field (Dye cant play a solid anything), he can be our utility guy as well….he has some pop and alittle speed. Don’t get me wrong Dye is a great hitter but he cant roam our huge ball park and he really doesn’t fit with everything we have going…. If Dye is in left and Blanks is in right….do you know how much ground our center fielder better be able to cover? We don’t have Torri Hunter so that’s a tough one

fnpadre
5 years 7 months ago

Hairston Jr. is nothing more than a .700 OPS platoon partner with Gwynn. Dye (with proper usage from Buddy and occasional rest) has potential to be a middle of the order presence in a lineup that desperately needs it. Even half a year of Dye is better than a full season of Hairston Jr, imo.

TheReturnOfMrBlanks
5 years 7 months ago

Wow there’s no arguing with you is there? Dye must be the best thing ever not too be wanted by any other team…. When Gwynn starts stinking it up just stick Dye out there right? oh wait we don’t have anyone else to plug in out there…. So we have Blanks/Dye Gwynn in the OF with Headley and Veneble riding the pine or platooning every game? don’t think that works either man….

I’d like Mickykokes opinion on this….

fnpadre
5 years 7 months ago

Um, isn’t “arguing” exactly what we’re doing?

Anyway, I’ve fully admitted to Dye’s deficiencies in just about every post…
He’s old, his defense is awful, and he had a terrible 2nd half.

But something has to give in order for this team to win games next year. For me, it’s defense, obviously that’s not the case for you…fair enough.

Since we can’t have our pick of the FA litter, you have to “pick your poison”…do you want a utility infielder/platoon partner who can flash a little leather but will hit .250 with no power, or do you want a lump in RF who could pop out a couple months of .850+ OPS? If Mike Piazza could do it with absolutely no protection, I’d be willing to bet Dye would be able to do it too.

Guest
5 years 7 months ago

The only way Dye helps our team is if it gets Blanks out of the outfield along with headley and that would lead to Adrian being traded.

In that case Dye would be a good pick up Dye RF, Venable LF and possibly another speedster type CF coming back in the A Gone trade, Ellsbury, would be nice.

A realistic option is Jerry H Jr. because he could platoon with TGJ in CF and spell Cabbie and Eck and whoever else.

Dye in the outfield with Blanks and Venable just would change the whole dynamic going against everything Hoyer has claimed, emphasizing Speed, defense to play to an advantage to Petco park Dye does not fit that Bill, Jerry Hairston does period.

fnpadre
5 years 7 months ago

Any scenario in which AGon is not on the Padres doesn’t help our team.

Guest
5 years 7 months ago

Nor does having 3 outfielders out of place!Get it now?Venable, Blanks, Dye will not be in the outfield together..period.And Venable is not penciled it in CF, just because he played some games last year. This is why they want a Reed Johnson or Hairston Jr to platoon with Gwynn. Come to think of it, it would depend on what the Padres got in return for Adrian to come to the conclusion that it made the Padres a better team or not!

fnpadre
5 years 7 months ago

First off, when has this organization EVER had an issue with guys playing out of position? The way they’ve drafted lately, it seems they almost encourage it!For Venable, sure, he’s not a proto-typical CF, but he’s no newbie at it. In fact, it seems that’s the one OF position he logged the MOST time in! Check baseball-reference if you don’t believe it. At closer inspection, it’s not really clear exactly which OF position he played the most during his minor league career…BUT, it is clear that he played the bulk of his time there while at Portland…that’s good enough for me.As long as one of Headley or Kouz gets traded, I still contend we’ll only have ONE player playing a position that he hasn’t had significant experience (>100 games) in at some point during his career, and that’s Blanks…who was slated to be an OF in some capacity since the 2009 season ended.

Guest
5 years 7 months ago

“First off, when has this organization EVER had an issue with guys playing out of position? The way they’ve drafted lately, it seems they almost encourage it!”

You cannot compare the new regime to the old!

You cannot talk about prior players like Klesko P Mac or any of the other players were thrown out in the outfield because this is a new regime!

We know what Hoyer’s emphasis is on, why go on and on about something that will never happen!

I am WELL aware of Venable’s career numbers, minor league line included, they have flat out said he is the RF, would you like the link to that, I am sure I could find it, its still moot, these players will not be in the outfield together.

Even Venable is new in some degree to baseball having spent a lot of time playing Basketball, he is still VERY raw, they ARE NOT going to rely on him in CF!

I think I made it VERY clear in my initial post what I thought about the entire idea, go back check it out, my stance has not changed, no spin here.

fnpadre
5 years 7 months ago

New regime, old regime…same old terrible offense.Yes, you’ve made your point very clear…I just don’t agree with any of it. Except that Nady is a better defender than Dye, of course.Why are you so against capitalizing on Venable’s versatility? He’s already logged over 350 innings in CF with the Padres and hasn’t made an error yet. That seems to suggest he’s at least competent and athletic enough to play there part-time. Just because he’s not Torii Hunter (or even Gwynn Jr.) with the glove doesn’t mean that he shouldn’t play CF.

Guest
5 years 7 months ago

You are continuously avoiding my questions(instead of answering them directly) to you and spinning another question back at me.. interesting debating tactic, not so sure that is the best way to make your case.

You are dismissing MANY valid points only to focus on other stats instead of answering my questions I have posed, again this discussion is moot. Would I take him for 3 million yes, do I think that would be a pre cursor for MANY other moves yes!

I wouldn’t exactly call Venable Versatile because he is a borderline CF with limited BB experience with a late start again a late start and also they IE the Padres HAVE SAID he will be in RF.

What else do you need to know…

fnpadre
5 years 7 months ago

WTF are you talking about? Other than a sarcastic quip like “You get it now?” you don’t ask questions, you just say things like “That’s the way it is, period!” or “That’s not what Jed said!” or telling me what I “can” or “can’t” talk about…how ’bout you take a look in the mirror buddy?

So go ahead, ask whatever question you think you asked before…I promise I’ll answer it directly and honestly this time.

BTW, I still have yet to hear any kind of projection from you on Nady, or why Nady’s offense is so obviously superior to Dye’s…

Guest
5 years 7 months ago

When I have told you flat out that Hoyer has expressed the direction of the team and your answer to that is something like well, Venable/ stats he can play CF blah blah drivel. Yea, ok… nobody said he couldn’t play CF here, we are talking about what our GM has said that the direction of the team is going towards, away from slower un-athletic type players and playing the park into an advantage to Petco, you have zero response to that, its a fact and it goes against everything you have said regarding Dye! They also have said that Venable is the RF! What is SO complicated? Nobody is suggesting he cant play there… only that he wont because YES, Hoyer has said that, then I offered a link, you had no response, to many of my statements I might add. I am not sure you would want to rehash your nescience to the direction of the team…Knowing the direction of the team and organization Hoyer and Co. has emphasized , why are you even arguing the fact, I have pointed out facts that totally contradict what your are saying.Regarding Nady, I said he would hit for a higher AVG, you made predictions, then said things like, 100-120 K’s funny, since he has never struck out close to 120 times unlike Dye. I was referring to Nady as a whole, not JUST offensively, if I said anywhere that Nady was superior offensively, show me that exact quote, and I will explain what I meant. I think I took issue with how you downplayed him offensively!Nady has also played in some what of pitchers parks, Dye not so much! I was also speaking of how age would play a role.What was the word you used to describe him offensively? “slightly above Avg” Yea, I don’t know if authoritative sources once again would agree with your amateur assessment of Nady’s bat.

firealyellon
5 years 7 months ago

wow..this narrow format is harder to read than the classifieds.

TheReturnOfMrBlanks
5 years 7 months ago

Amen brother….
Veneble’s going to be our Antonio Gates… comes out of no where an takes over the league…lol I’m going to be a huge Veneble Apologist this year…. so yet again I say any moves that takes AB’s away from that young man is a bad move….

fnpadre
5 years 7 months ago

Writing up here since it’s getting tough to read…-Ahhh, so you believe (at face value) the things that come out of the mouths of the Padres brass. Now I see why we’re butting heads. I tend not to. You can call me cynical, but I’ll believe it when I see it. Taking what a GM says at face value seems naive to me. Nothing he said is set in stone! Like you said, “these guys are playing poker”. Isn’t the guy allowed to change his mind if new opportunities present themselves? If Hoyer has the opportunity to get Jermaine Dye at $3M, I’d have a really hard time believing he’d pass that up when he has come out and said that he’s looking for another RH OF bat that can help the offense.-I would love to see a link/quote that says, “Venable is ONLY going to play RF for us.” or “Venable will NOT start in CF at all.” If you have one, do share.

-So if I told you that Nady would hit 18 HR with a .280/.335/.430 line and strikeout “about” 100 times, would you disagree?

Edit: But again, we’re getting into things you “told” me and things YOU take as fact. These are not “questions”…just you ranting at somebody that disagrees with you.

Guest
5 years 7 months ago

Why, when the entire emphases is on defense, speed, athleticism/ pitching, we are not talking about a MINOR compromise here, it would be a MAJOR down grade to their philosophy!

Were not talking about JUST signing Dye, were talking about how that would change the entire dynamic of the team, in the other way contrary to even before Kt left, they were getting MORE athletic and trying to implement that.

I said if its for 3 million do it! I already said that, however again MY feeling is there is no way that move does not only affect Headley, Kouz but Venable, Blanks and Adrian. Don’t see it and it makes no sense. Yes, they are playing poker, but Hoyer will say for the most part who they are interested in and why, if they ARE INDEED interested in Dye, which I am not so sure that is even set in stone, It would be to ease the fact that Adrian would be getting dealt and he could resume the #4 spot with VET presence. Now, that would make sense, could they platoon some players until the move Adrian, I guess but how long will that take, IMO not long at all and frankly just wont happen.

“-I would love to see a link/quote that says, “Venable is ONLY going to play RF for us.” or “Venable will NOT start in CF at all.” If you have one, do share.”

Hoyer stated plain and simple he is our RF! Of course he COULD play CF again that would contradict HIS OWN PHILOSOPHY!

KT was in an interview with I believe 1090 saying he is our guy in RF, asked about CF we think he can but its far from ideal.

I don’t buy the FO “kooliad” but Hoyer has been very adamant about his philosophy and playing his advantage to Petco as “key”! Knowing that, c’mon man..
“chello”!

SDCAP
5 years 7 months ago

If the Padres are actually going to step up and sign a true major league player it seems to me that they should try to sign Orlando Hudson to a 2 yr deal. Much as I love Eckstein this is a position which they could improve and there is a lack of 2nd basemen in their minor league system.

fnpadre
5 years 7 months ago

Couldn’t agree more.

TheReturnOfMrBlanks
5 years 7 months ago

that would be cool man but if that Nats cant get a deal done with him because of $ what makes you think the pads can? Plus we seem to be not looking in that area at all of 2b…I wish we would but not likely… I’d even like Ronnie Belliard over Eck

5 years 7 months ago

If Dye can only command $3 million then what can Thome really command?