Odds & Ends: Jones, Mets, Yankees, Guerrero, Greinke

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Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

I like the idea of Carl Pavano on the Marlins…

I kind of do like the idea of Zack Greinke on the Brewers…

Odorizzi, Lawrie, Jeffress, and Gennick would be light, but its a starting point.

eviola1
4 years 9 months ago

But he’s going to the Jays, a team that actually can spend.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

Since when can the Brewers not spend? Nevertheless, say the Royals get offered 5 packages for Greinke…If one of those teams is the Brewers/Rangers/Dodgers/Reds/Twins, I think the Royals would pick one of those teams’ packages before the Jays package regardless of what it might be, because I think the best the Jays can offer would be Drabek/Gose/Perez and I could see the Reds offering something like Mesoraco, Hamilton, Robles, and Leake which I think is better than the Jays package…The Twins would offer Gibson/Hicks/Slama which is also better…The Brewers would offer Lawrie/Odorizzi/Jeffress/Rogers which is a step down from the Jays offer IMO but close to equal…The Dodgers would offer Gordon/Webster/Robinson/Jansen which is much better than the Jays offer…and the Rangers would offer Beltre/Perez/Holland/Profar which is better than the Jays package…

The Jays have one of the best farm system’s in Baseball, but most of those prospects are ineligible to be traded.

grownice
4 years 9 months ago

this is only assuming the teams trade exactly who you say lol drabek gose snider, imo would trump all of the other teams, tho i also think that would be giving up to much… and the jays shouldnt do it, considering drabeks stuff is very similar to greinke’s except much less polished… and sniders potential power and glove(hes very underrated defensively) is too hard to give up since hes so young…

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

I think the addition of Travis Snider wouldn’t top the other deals at all and not even close, but that’s just me.

Sniderlover
4 years 9 months ago

Hahahahahhahahahahhahaha…

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

Sorry. Just being honest though. I obviously like Snider. But number one, I think the Jays should keep him. And Number two, I like some of the combos of my ideas and callis’ than the one with Snider.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

5 words for you…Ju Sti N Up town.

That package and a tad more can get you the Upster rather than my favorite former Fisher Cat.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

SPan, you have to look at it from a different point of view…if the Jays traded Gose, Drabek, Snider FOR ANYONE in the league, grienke (who in my opinion, his value ISNT that high) or Upton.. would they be a better team in 2012, 2013?? No chance..

You cant build a team by swapping out young stars for young stars, you have to pile up young talent first, which the jays don’t have on their mlb roster, then you make some savvy prospect trades.. Adding Grienke or Upton to the Jays roster but losing Drabek or Snider just puts you a bit closer, but doesnt take you where you need to go..

I would target Upton though and try to see if the Dback will bite on a trade centered around cecil, stewart and thames, with 2 other B prospect.

4 years 9 months ago

Really? If you put Snider in instead of Perez all of a sudden the Jays have two players that are better than every single player in the other packages you listed except perhaps Texas (holland may be more valuable than Drabek). That’s also the type of offer that the Jays would be insane to make. The (potential) downgrade in the offense would be worse than the upgrade in the pitching staff.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

Yeah the Jays should not make it at all. But I think the Texas/Dodgers/and Twins ones are better.

But no point in discussing this because Drabek and Snider aren’t going anywhere, especially for a two year rental

JUSTIN UPTON on the other hand..

4 years 9 months ago

I could actually see the Jays being more than willing to include Drabek in a Greinke deal. You could probably pretty easily recoup that value by trading him again in a year if he won’t re-sign and the team takes a step backwards.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

I honestly don’t see Grienke as that much of an improvement.. he’s not a for sure thing, as good as he CAN be, is the risk really worth the reward?? With the pitching we have moving up and already on staff, I would honestly not even consider trading prospects for a starter unless his name was Felix or Johnson.

Especially when we have longterm holes at 3B, 2B (if they don’t exercise Hill’s options) 1B/DH (wherever Lind doesnt play) ..

Grienke is a good talent, but I think our pitching will improve moving in to next year by just doing nothing. Its the offense, most importantly the ability to get on base which should be addressed.

4 years 9 months ago

No, No, No Too much to give up for Grienke. Melvin doesn’t need any help making crazy decisions.

RoyalBlue
4 years 9 months ago

I kind of like Greinke being moved to the Brewers if they are going to move him…The only thing is I would love to see the Brewers move Prince first to see what they get back from another team…The best that could happen for this Royals fan if is Boston lost out on Agon and made a move for Prince…

KenJr1918
4 years 9 months ago

Selling low on Papelbon, when he’s due to make 12+ million in salary arbitration. Good call, Lou. The Red Sox bullpen was a problem last year. Trading away your closer for C prospects, plus eating salary makes ZERO sense.

4 years 9 months ago

Nearly everything Lou Merloni says makes zero sense…actually everything baseball related on WEEI is horrible outside of Rob Bradford and Alex Spier.

KenJr1918
4 years 9 months ago

I cannot argue with that logic.

ilikebaseball
4 years 9 months ago

Well said.

4 years 9 months ago

It would make no sense to trade papelbon…but greinke to the brewers…? interesting.

Otis26
4 years 9 months ago

If you want Greinke you’d better bring the bank.

Most of the hard-core Royals fans I know who are following the blossoming minor league system aren’t opposed to moving him and flushing out an already talented pool. May be better to wait until next season’s trade deadline…but we’re starting to see the future coming and if Greinke is as disgusted as he says he is then let him go to the highest bidder….just don’t be taken.

start_wearing_purple
4 years 9 months ago

Thank you Sweet Lou, but your analysis assumes there’s a trade market for Papelbon… there isn’t.

But you do get points for writing in a New England accent.

grafe
4 years 9 months ago

ahhhhh I was just looking at Lou Merloni’s page on b-r, this is spooky

SteelCityResident13
4 years 9 months ago

I would like to see a team trade for Papelbon and stretch his arm back out, turning him into a starter. I have been curious to see how he can do in this role. any thoughts?

Vmmercan
4 years 9 months ago

I was under the impression when he first converted it was for need. I think kept him there because he liked it and it would keep his elbow (elbow or shoulder?) healthy longterm. My thought is if he’s stretched back to starter, especially when he hasn’t done it in five years, he will be extremely injury prone.

ugotrpk3113
4 years 9 months ago

I always thought a starter deals with more wear and tear?

Vmmercan
4 years 9 months ago

I think it was the stress of his ability to throw 100 pitches rather than pitching often. I swear I read it at the time.

BaseballFanatic0707
4 years 9 months ago

I don’t think it would turn out well. Outside of his fastball (which saw a near 10 point drop in pitch value), he has no secondary pitch to honestly speak of.

I’m aware he throws mostly fastballs, but, not only would his speed take a hit, but you simply cannot succeed as a starting pitcher, save being a Knuckleballer (and even they throw in some curveballs) throwing only one pitch.

BG921
4 years 9 months ago

I think Andruw would be a great fit with Colorado. He is a good clubhouse guy, and can play all outfield positions. Personally, I hope the Braves give Andruw a call. If Andruw commits himself to a strict workout regiment like last off-season, he should get his share of offers. Still a great guy to have on a team.

TapDancingTeddy
4 years 9 months ago

Andruw still has something left. In fact, if he could hit for average he could still start in any one of the OF positions for somebody.

Of course, I’m biased. I love great defensive Centerfielders and Andruw Jones was one of the best.

BG921
4 years 9 months ago

I agree, he was actually pretty solid in LF this past season. I don’t think it’s too much of a stretch for Andruw to hit .250-.260, with 25+ HR and 70-90 RBI’s… I would consider him a bargain at $500,000 considering what he brings to a team both on and off the field. But, hey I am also biased for the same reasons as you mentioned lol…