White Sox, Konerko Talking

MONDAY, 1:15am: Joel Sherman of the New York Post tweets that Monday's meeting will involve Konerko's agent and assistant GM Rick Hahn. With the Orioles viewed as the only other serious suitor for Konerko, there's a "strong feeling" the White Sox will get a deal done as early as this week.

SUNDAY, 9:29pm: Reinsdorf will do anything he can to re-sign Konerko, a source tells Doug Padilla of ESPNChicago.com.

1:42pm: A deal between Konerko and the White Sox will probably happen but nothing is imminent, sources tell Buster Olney of ESPN (via Twitter).

1:34pm: Konerko won't be meeting with White Sox chairman Jerry Reinsdorf tomorrow, only his agent Craig Landis will, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports.  Rosenthal believes that the two sides will reach an accord, though they're not close just yet.

12:58pm: Jerry Reinsdorf and Paul Konerko are very close, according to Jon Heyman of SI (via Twitter).  The slugger and White Sox chairman are scheduled to meet tomorrow.

Re-signing Konerko would cap off an incredibly busy week for the White Sox who also reeled in Adam Dunn and retained A.J. Pierzynski.  On Friday GM Kenny Williams told reporters that both Dunn and Pierzynski will accept deferred payment on their newly minted contracts, giving the club the ability to make Konerko a solid offer.


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198 Comments on "White Sox, Konerko Talking"


4 years 8 months ago

Paulie! Paulie! Paulie! :)

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Awesome, Pauliewood is staying on the southside…If Gordon Beckham hits, you have to like the White Sox, Tigers, and Twins battling it out all season. It’s going to be really exciting…I want to see the Twins acquire Leo Nunez for Ben Revere.

Red_Line_9
4 years 8 months ago

The Sox/Twins/Tigers were going to be battling it out all season anyway. You did mention the key there though….Gordon Beckham. As things stand it’s hard not to like what the Sox are going to put on the field and on the mound…..I’m guessing we see KW make some bullpen moves this week.

jwsox
4 years 8 months ago

Beckham did have an amazing second half next season, as long as he does not fumble out the gate like he did last season(give him credit he has never played second professionally before) so hopefully he is more comfortable this season

baseball52
4 years 8 months ago

Beckham isn’t the only key. Remember, other teams have good young players too. Cough, Aaron Hicks, cough.

jwsox
4 years 8 months ago

why do you want leo? marlins fans dont even like they guy…he would be scary

dunt
4 years 8 months ago

Lol! As a Sox fan, I would love you to have Leo Nunez too

4 years 8 months ago

They have an insane lineup. Dunn, Konerko, Quentin, Beckham, it’s going to be a tight race between them and the Twins.

ThinkBlue10
4 years 8 months ago

I say the Sox run away with that division this time.

4 years 8 months ago

I still think it’s the twins division to lose. They simply know how to win games, and that’s important. They might not be incredible at anything, but they play well as a team, and they aren’t bad at anything either.

Red_Line_9
4 years 8 months ago

The Twins do have their intangibles. But for years they used the dome to their advantage and they don’t have that anymore. There’s lots of luck involved, but one of these seasons the Sox or the Tigers are just going to freight train them. The Sox and Tigers both played well below average expectations and the division was still close in 2010.

I think what you put on paper now is nice…but there’s no telling what kind of setbacks each of the 3 teams might suffer between March 1st and October 1. The chance of the Tigers/Twins/Sox in a tight three way race seems a small stretch. You have to figure that one of the teams is going to fall flat in some area….or suffer injuries as the Tigers did last season.

That’s what makes it a great game. You can play the game on paper right now…but the teams have to go out and play 162 games.

It certainly does bode well for an exciting central this season, though.

jwsox
4 years 8 months ago

twins still have a ton of holes though…pen, starting staff, SS and 2nd they need to resolved very very soon

baseball52
4 years 8 months ago

People said that last year and look what happened.

Red_Line_9
4 years 8 months ago

The Twins won out because the Sox spotted them 10 games until Memorial Day and the Tigers were running a MASH unit. You can say..”that’s the breaks of the game” and you’d be right. But the chances of the Tigers and Sox both collapsing in 2011 isn’t likely. It’ just as likely that it happens to the Twins.

That’s why I say it’s going to be who puts the healthiest team on the field.

baseball52
4 years 8 months ago

Well, the Sox fielded a pretty good team last year with a problem; they couldn’t beat AL teams.

shysox
4 years 8 months ago

What happened is they got swept by the Yankees for the 2nd consecutive year. Don’t get me wrong, the Twins are a great team and they always beat us, but it always seems like a waste of 162 games when they get swept in the playoffs, and also, their pen was stronger last year. Matt Gurrier, Jon Rauch, Brian Fuentes, and Jesse Crain are all free agents, also, what do you do with Joe Nathan? They’re not re-signing Pavano, or Hudson. If the season started today, it would be between the White Sox and Tigers. No questions asked.

baseball52
4 years 8 months ago

If the season started today? There’s a lot of offseason left, buddy.

Red_Line_9
4 years 8 months ago

It will come down to which team can put the healthiest team on the field.

4 years 8 months ago

And dont forget about Alex Rios poeple

jwsox
4 years 8 months ago

and alexi ramirez…why does everyone forget about him he was in the top 5 of SS in MLB last season both offensively and defensively

slidingintobase
4 years 8 months ago

Also won Silver Slugger

AmericanMovieFan
4 years 8 months ago

I’m predicting 3 years/$40MM.

Nucksfan16
4 years 8 months ago

I am thinking 2 yrs/26 with a mutual option with a buyout.

4 years 8 months ago

Id be surprised if Paulie signs for less than 3 years.

4 years 8 months ago

I see a 2 year deal happening. His age would make me hesitate on 3 years.

4 years 8 months ago

I agree with you …Id prefer a 2 year deal too but Konerko has a good deal of interest and I think someone would offer 3 years so Im guessing the Sox will too3/39

4 years 8 months ago

A lot of teams are looking at PK, Sox have to offer at least 3 years if they want to keep him.

Natinals
4 years 8 months ago

Are you related to Tommy Manzella

Red_Line_9
4 years 8 months ago

If you’er looking at a straight money deal. Konerko might have personal and family desires that outweigh financial offers though.

Red_Line_9
4 years 8 months ago

If you’re looking at a straight money deal. Konerko might have personal and family desires that outweigh financial offers though.

Brod
4 years 8 months ago

too much money ‘ it seems like a 2 year deal for 26-27 mill .If they give him more then that they’re gonna have to cut a player by trading becuz they alreadi got too much money owned to players

4 years 8 months ago

My guess, 3 years $39MM. Mutual option for 4th year, team option valued at $13MM, player option valued at $9MM, or $1MM buyout. Standard MVP and All-star bonuses apply. Min. payout will be $40MM, potentially $52MM.

Red_Line_9
4 years 8 months ago

Goes to show you what publicly stated budgets are worth. Also goes to show you how the press is used in contract negotiations.

unvme7
4 years 8 months ago

I knew the Rangers werent going to get him and that the Sox would. Either way, if you’re the Rangers, why pay Konerko 13m a year when you could get a willing Guerrero for a bargain again?

4 years 8 months ago

Dang!! I WANTED THE DBACKS TO GET HIM! oh well we will still get Jenks or Putz from you anyways, lol.

Hoosierdaddy92
4 years 8 months ago

hey, at least you guys have 5 cost controlled years of Dan Hudson instead of 1 year of overpriced Edwin Jackson

jwsox
4 years 8 months ago

hey now…hudson did have an awesome season last year but he will go through the sophmore slump he was never ever projected as anything more than a #3 and we may have one year of over priced jackson(who was actually awesome for the sox) but the D’back have an even more over priced(and worse of a pitcher) in saunder to deal with

Hoosierdaddy92
4 years 8 months ago

How is Dan Hudson more overpriced? Jackson will make an 8 figure salary this year and provide marginally better numbers than Hudson.

jwsox
4 years 8 months ago

i never said hudson was over priced i was saying he had a good season but expect a sophomore slump because he was always projected as a 3rd guy….the more over priced because he is a worse pitcher is saunder…read my post all the way thought before you comment next time

Hoosierdaddy92
4 years 8 months ago

I don’t see how Saunders, a player acquired in the Dan Haren trade, relates to the White Sox giving away Hudson for Jackson whatsoever.

4 years 8 months ago

Do you know how Saunders is related? He’s on your team, that’s how he’s related. He contributed as much to that 65-97 record as Dan Hudson did. Winning one transaction does not make a franchise, just like winning one games does not make a series, and the age old adage of winning the battle but losing the war. But hey, this trade fits the White Sox MO. We build up low ceiling guys (McCarthy, Clayton Richard, Gio Gonzalez) and flip them for high pedigree arms that are struggling, hurt, or for whatever reason whose stock is down (Danks, Floyd, Peavy, Garland [10th overall pick prospect for middling reliever Matt Karchner]). Buy low sell high right? Sometimes it works out, and sometimes it doesn’t. Hey that’s baseball, hey that’s life.

4 years 8 months ago

Of course there are failed trades, but who remembers failures? Don’t take my lack of those inclusions as thinking the White Sox are infallible, cause nobody is. That kind of lunacy only comes from mental health patients and Cub fans.

Hoosierdaddy92
4 years 8 months ago

I am not a dbacks fan. im just saying, hudson is capable of putting up the same numbers as EJax at a 5th of the cost.

Red_Line_9
4 years 8 months ago

Your term “capable” was probably the deciding factor when it came to Hudson and the White Sox front office psychology. They probably felt that Jackson was more of a sure thing for a team competing now for a pennant. I’m not sure the money really bothers them that much.

Hoosierdaddy92
4 years 8 months ago

How is Dan Hudson more overpriced? Jackson will make an 8 figure salary this year and provide marginally better numbers than Hudson.

jwsox
4 years 8 months ago

you dont want jenks trust me…

4 years 8 months ago

I wish the Dbacks had this much money to spend.. Dunn and Konerko in the same offseason plus MORE money to sign another back end bulpen guy, damn.

Steve B
4 years 8 months ago

Get in a major market!

4 years 8 months ago

Am I the only one that believes the Sox should bring back Freddy when this is all done as a back up plan just in case Chris isnt ready to step into the rotation and best case senario Chris is ready and they have him in the bullpen as a long reliever. I still dont know why the sox tendered Pena? I wouldve kept Threets over him

4 years 8 months ago

Freddy or another 5th starter type player wouldn’t be a bad idea, depends on the price they’d be willing to come at. Reason the Sox didn’t bring back Threets is because he’s injured, received TJ surgery a few months ago and is likely to miss all of 2011.

Red_Line_9
4 years 8 months ago

I read that Don Cooper wants to keep Sale in the bullpen this season.

4 years 8 months ago

It’s possible to go either way eith Sale right now, as of now I’m thinking the Sox are leaning more towards the bullpen side for both his and the team’s benefit. If they go that route a signing of a Freddy Garcia type seems likely rather than in house.

Red_Line_9
4 years 8 months ago

Just passing along what I’d read. You know how quick minds get changed though.

thebigdog
4 years 8 months ago

I agree with you Michael, Garcia is an inexpensive insurance policy. Besides, who can say for sure if/when Peavy returns. Don’t underestimate the value of Pena, he’s a quality arm with versatility.

My gut tells me that they think Sale can be a closer. Would it be the first time in baseball that the set up man (Thornton) and the closer were both lefties?

jwsox
4 years 8 months ago

sale will only close if the sox lose out on putz and lose out on soriano and any other closer out there and even then santos would be slotted to close before sale…

thebigdog
4 years 8 months ago

I should have been more clear. You are right about Santos being ahead of Sale as closer in the immediate future, but I think that the Sox mgmt. believe that Sale has closer stuff down the line (after the all-star break and beyond)

jwsox
4 years 8 months ago

I agree his fast ball and slider are straight up scary but I would rather see him in the rotation. He may have closer stuff but so does santos dont forget last year was his first year pitching and first year pitching in the bigs…

Beauford
4 years 8 months ago

Threets blew out his arm in 2010 and underwent surgery.

4 years 8 months ago

I absolutely agree the Sox need 1 more starter unless they plan on Sale being that guy. Id prefer having Sale in the pen or at Charlotte(the budget may prevent this option though)

jwsox
4 years 8 months ago

threets had TJ he wont be ready to pitch at all next season thats why the non-tendered him. They tendered pena because he actually was not that bad when used as a long guy…i would like to see freddy come back on a 1 yr deal as 5th starter(in case peavy isnt ready and sale needs more time) then slot him into the pen

4 years 8 months ago

I think there are better options on the market honestly. Give Sale at least half a season in AAA to see if he’s ready to start. I’d like to see them take a chance on Jeff Francis or Brad Penny if they can sign them on the cheap. Also a lot of good pitchers coming off injuries(Webb, Young, Wang). KW rarely if ever goes for those types though, unless their name is Jake Peavy.

jwsox
4 years 8 months ago

They dont really NEED another pitcher though with Sale in there and Pena actually had a few good starts. Considering peavy will only be out for a few weeks to start the season its not needed to waste money on guys whos ego wont allow them to take pay cuts like webb, penny, francis…they dont need another project they need a guy who can step in and start if need and move o the pen once peavy comes back…freddy..!

safari_punch
4 years 8 months ago

I guess Tyler Flowers is never going to get a shot then – at least not in the White Sox organization?

Red_Line_9
4 years 8 months ago

I’m not sure he has earned his shot. KW likes to tout his prospects. I’m a little concerned that he waited too long to unload Flowers before the other organizations caught onto him.

His only chance was going to be coming out from behind the plate to DH. But he’s not getting younger, and what are the chances he’d even put up Konkero or Dunn numbers over the next few seasons.

Surely, someone will want him. It’d be nice to flip him for a bullpen arm. For some reason I see Colorado being in on him. I wouldn’t expect much back though. Flowers just isn’t much of a prospect anymore. I think KW tried to deal him last season…teams weren’t buying into him at that point….hard to believe his worth has improved. Could be Josh Fields all over again. A guy with power…and you wonder why he doen’t hit….until you watch him for awhile…..and then you start groaning….

4 years 8 months ago

Quentin could be dealt still as well, if not, that’s a very good lineup with good starting pitching. Still need a bullpen arm though. Losing Jenks and Putz could hurt.

jwsox
4 years 8 months ago

moving quentin does not make sence unless the whitesox sign another out fielder(come out of left field and get either werth or crawford) or if they finally think jordan danks can step in or is they feel mitchell is healthy enough to come in…but yes carlos could be moved for BP, but with dunn in the line up and konerko back carlos would have a monster year

jwsox
4 years 8 months ago

moving quentin does not make sence unless the whitesox sign another out fielder(come out of left field and get either werth or crawford) or if they finally think jordan danks can step in or is they feel mitchell is healthy enough to come in…but yes carlos could be moved for BP, but with dunn in the line up and konerko back carlos would have a monster year

mateodh
4 years 8 months ago

4 years, $52 million sounds about right. Other teams were probably willing to match that, but it’s hard to imagine Konerko in another uniform. On paper this lineup looks tough to beat, but Quentin needs to get healthy and Rios repeat his performance. That and a Beckham breakout and it’ll be fun to watch in 2011.

4 years 8 months ago

We are witnessing the offseason of Kenny Williams’ life right here.

Gocubs2010
4 years 8 months ago

I wouldn’t say that, Dunn isn’t that great if u take out hr’s and rbi’s, AJ is a good defensive catcher but not offensive and anyway can put up Paulie’s numbers in that tiny park.

InLeylandWeTrust
4 years 8 months ago

What? Well, Ichiro isn’t that great if you take out his average and steals…and and and Pujols isn’t good if you take out his homers and RBI’s…idiotic statement right there.

Gocubs2010
4 years 8 months ago

Fact that you even tried to compare Dunn to Pujols shows you don’t watch baseball, Pujols hits for Avg, Power, OBP, OPS, etc etc something Dunn doesn’t. You won’t see Pujols strikeout 150 times a year something Dunn has done since he came into the league. Pujols is arguably greatest player of our time to compare him to Dunn is really bad idea.

4 years 8 months ago

Dude just go to your Cubs rumors ok. Clearly your wrong. He wasnt trying to compare Dunn to Pujols. Pujols is obviously the greatest player in the majors over the past decade. His point is that you can’t say ohh take away his rbi’s and homeruns and he isnt even that good. Thats what the guy gets paid to do. Thats like saying ohh take away Carl Crawfords stolen bases and defense and he’s not even that good. Thats what he gets paid to do! Adam Dunn gets paid to hit moon shots and knock in runs. And he does a damn good job at it, proof being theres only 1 player that has more homers than him in the past 7 years

Gocubs2010
4 years 8 months ago

Yeah and no player has more K’s in those 7 years over Dunn either, Dunn is a younger version of Thome either HR or K that’s it.

jwsox
4 years 8 months ago

dude just stop…dont be upset the cubs lost out on DUnn( they were never in it..) of course if the cubs signed Dunn you would love the deal..

Gocubs2010
4 years 8 months ago

I never wanted Dunn, We have enough people that all they do is Strikeout or homer.

4 years 8 months ago

Like who? You guys havent had a 30 home run guy in like 3 years

Gocubs2010
4 years 8 months ago

That’s only because they can’t stay healthy lol, Aramis, Soriano, Colvin all would have been 30 HR guys either last or year before had they not gotten hurt.

4 years 8 months ago

And? Is that an insult to Dunn? lol

4 years 8 months ago

Yea but Thome’s a future hall of famer. So thanks. Your helping to prove your self wrong. Take away Thome’s homers, rbi’s and obp % and he’s a horrible hitter. Do you not believe he’s going to be a first balot hall of famer. If not then maybe baseball isnt your thing

jwsox
4 years 8 months ago

dude dont put up an idiotic comment, gut proved wrong then come up with some dumb comeback…he was not comparing dunn to albert he was saying exactly what you were…

Beauford
4 years 8 months ago

Consider the source – Gocubs2010

jwsox
4 years 8 months ago

dude dont put up an idiotic comment, gut proved wrong then come up with some dumb comeback…he was not comparing dunn to albert he was saying exactly what you were…

InLeylandWeTrust
4 years 8 months ago

Nice try bud, my point is it is completely idiotic to take out the best part of somone’s game and say “they aren’t good if you take this out”.

Gocubs2010
4 years 8 months ago

yeah, i totally get everyone’s arguement on subject just glad it’s dying down lol.

Beauford
4 years 8 months ago

“Dunn isn’t that great if u take out hr’s and rbi’s”

Like saying “Miss America isn’t that great if you take out the face and body.”

Red_Line_9
4 years 8 months ago

Dunn is an OBP machine. Also, the protection he will give in that lineup will greatly improve the pitch selection of the guys batting in front of him. Those guys are going to see fewer pitchers nibbling at the corners.

4 years 8 months ago

Those are all nice pieces to building a championship team. Take away homers and rbi’s from any ball player and theres only gonna be about 25 good ball players across the league. And no matter the ball club or stadium, theres not alot of gold glove calliber players that can hit 35 homers have 100 plus rbi’s and hit over 300.

4 years 8 months ago

If Dunn had signed with the Cubs this guy would be saying how DUnn is an MVP candidate.

Gocubs2010
4 years 8 months ago

Not really, we have Colvin that can play 1st, Aramis can be moved to 1st for Vitters to come up, We could sign Pena or anyone for that matter that can do better then what Dunn does, Maybe not hit 40 homers that Dunn does but won’t strike out 150 times like Dunn does and have a better OBP and OPS.

Beauford
4 years 8 months ago

You mean Josh Vitters who last year hit .223/.292/.383 in AA in his 3rd season in the minors? That Josh Vitters?

Gocubs2010
4 years 8 months ago

Alot of people do bad in minors then come to majors and do really well.

Beauford
4 years 8 months ago

Name them.

Gocubs2010
4 years 8 months ago

Look them up.

Beauford
4 years 8 months ago

You made the statement. You prove it.

Gocubs2010
4 years 8 months ago

I don’t have to prove anything if you want the proof look it up.

baseball52
4 years 8 months ago

Dude… Just stop. Go be a Cardinals fan.

Gocubs2010
4 years 8 months ago

Oh you mean another team better then Sox? Nah ill stick to Cubs.

baseball52
4 years 8 months ago

You hate a team they play 6 times a year since the 90’s rather than those bums in STL? Turn in your blue pinstripes.

Gocubs2010
4 years 8 months ago

I don’t “hate” anyone, But I dislike Cards more I never said I didn’t. Sox I don’t care if they win or lose makes no difference to me.

billmelton
4 years 8 months ago

That’s why you’re trolling around here. Of course.

billmelton
4 years 8 months ago

That’s why you’re trolling around here. Of course.

WrigleyTerror37
4 years 8 months ago

This guy is a descrace to cubs fans. hes the tipical chicago fan. “My team is better! Prove it then. …….They Just are” Hate ppl like that.

Any way I like what the white soxs are doing this off season. With PK, Rios, and Dunn in the 3-5 spots there looking in great shape. Now the Soxs have options. And it all is on were to put Chris Sale. He has great stuff to but him Anywere form starter to Closer. But i would like to see him as the 5th starter or Lefty Specialist.
Lets say he Does grreat in the fith starter spot. then you could call the rockies and see if the want a trade for Floyed for Stewrt. (Im only saying this bc of the artical) Also that only if the are not sure on 3b. this year they got deph with Visquel,Viscieno(spelling), Morel, and Tehan. Tehan i think should be traded for a bullpen arm tho. And then you get to Carlos. You COULD trade him to toranto for T.Snider and maaybe a bullpen arm. Then T.Snider and jordan danks can platoon in rf. (Danks is R/R right?)
When its all said and DoNNe the white soxs are in good shape this year and I hope the win the AL Central!

Gocubs2010
4 years 8 months ago

Im a DISGRACE!!!! to Cubs fans yet your praising Sox lmao.

4 years 8 months ago

I’m a die-hard White Sox fan yet I, along with many other Sox fans, can appreciate and respect the Twins. The Twins draft and develop well, scout well, and play solid fundamental baseball. If you or anyone is a baseball fan than you would understand how that Cubs fan above can say that he likes what the White Sox are doing this off-season. Can you not understand that? You are a fan of the sport first and then your team; not the other way around.

jwsox
4 years 8 months ago

why is it a bad team..im a die hard sox fan but i still cheer for the cubs…its all about city pride choose which team you like more and dont hate on the other….he is right dude you are a disgrace your mad at him for saying that Kenny Williams is doing a great job this winter making his team better and that Kenny has a ton of options. He is not praising them and even if he is its not a bad thing he stated he is stilla cubs fan..You do realize that these two teams mean nothing to each other due to BEING IN DIFFERENT LEAGUES…

baseball52
4 years 8 months ago

I have no problem with the Sox. I get a little mad when I run into Sox fan versions of the troll guy here, but I like to watch the Sox and everything. Although, I admire the Twins a lot, but I root for the Sox against 27 other teams, especially St. Louis.

4 years 8 months ago

Appreciate the real baseball fans these days. Thanks guy. With that said

I dont think Kenny would trade Floyd for Steward, as I wouldn’t either. I believe Morel is capable of manning the hot corner right now especially since the lineup is packed and can afford to go through some hiccups with him. And Danks is actually a Lefty

jwsox
4 years 8 months ago

wish there was a love button…i never understood the cubs sox “rivalry” the games they play against each other is for fun and means literally nothing in the long run….

Natinals
4 years 8 months ago

Looks like Beauford won this argument

billmelton
4 years 8 months ago

Nothing like an awful Cubs troll to make ridiculous unsupported statements. Go back to your frat house basement.

baseball52
4 years 8 months ago

You don’t have any room to talk with Mr. Beckham. Err, wait. That was just bad luck, right?

Beauford
4 years 8 months ago

Beckham hit .310/.380/.497 after the All-Star break. What has Vitters hit at the ML level?

baseball52
4 years 8 months ago

What about pre-All-Star break Beckham? When it takes half a season to find yourself it’s not exactly conducive to success.

I’m not supporting Vitters, not a fan.

jwsox
4 years 8 months ago

pre all star when gordon was adjusting to a position he has not played since maybe his earl college career…his second year in the bigs at his 3rd professional position?

baseball52
4 years 8 months ago

That could be it but I’m not sure with how bad he did in the first half.

By the way, Vitters was hurt. Based on his career stats, he’ll have a good half year at AA and get called up either to the MLB or AAA and be terrible. That’s how he had done things before. However, he’s captain no walk-strikeout instead so I don’t see him being to successful in the MLB, where as I see Beckham at least being a #6 hitter like Colvin.

4 years 8 months ago

The argument wasn’t about the majors. It was saying people who perform poorly in the minors and then have success at the major league level. This wasn’t Beckham’s first year in the majors as he played in 2009. Beckham had success in the minors before he was brought up to the majors in 2009. So actually the question should be posed back to you, what about Beckham?

baseball52
4 years 8 months ago

A bad performing prospect is a bad performing prospect. Development doesn’t end once you hit the MLB.

jwsox
4 years 8 months ago

REALLY did you see pena last season…he batted under .200 for the year had 158 strike outs he has only hit over .250 4 times in his career and has under 120 Strike outs twice in his career…dunn hits over .250 5 times yes he strikes out more but he also hits more home runs dunns career line .250/.381/.521 penas career line .240/.351/.490……so who is the better hitter? and considering Dunn is going to spend most of his at bats at DH he is the best DH option out there for the super hitters park we play in

4 years 8 months ago

Pena struck out 158 times last year just so you know.

4 years 8 months ago

Pena doesn’t have a better OBP or OPS than Dunn.
Pena OPS – .732
Dunn OPS – .892
Pena’s K% is only 3% lower than Dunn. Dunn struckout 199 times last season. Pena did so 158 times. That isn’t a huge improvement. I’m all for making an argument so long as the facts you use are correct. Other wise shut up and enjoy the 104th year of bad.

Gocubs2010
4 years 8 months ago

Im guessing you can’t read because I never said Pena had a better OBP or OPS then dunn I said we can sign anyone or bring them up and they would have better OBP and OPS then Dunn, I put Pena into that category but that would be for 2011 Season that im refering to, You enjoy seeing Dunn strikeout with bases loaded in 9th.

4 years 8 months ago

“We could sign Pena or anyone for that matter that can do better then what Dunn does, Maybe not hit 40 homers that Dunn does but won’t strike out 150 times like Dunn does and have a better OBP and OPS.” That is an exact quote from one of your earlier posts. So it sounds to me like you think Pena would have a better OPS or OBP.

Gocubs2010
4 years 8 months ago

Then I misspoke im man enough to admit when im wrong which seems like no one else is.

jwsox
4 years 8 months ago

your man enough to admit your wrong on ONE THING..this board is filled with your weird reaching topics and sox hate I have read at least ten comments about people(not even including me) to ask you for proof of what you are talking about. You have yet to give proof…

baseball52
4 years 8 months ago

I wish he were a Cardinals fan…

Gocubs2010
4 years 8 months ago

Then I misspoke im man enough to admit when im wrong which seems like no one else is.

jwsox
4 years 8 months ago

really ANYONE can have a better obp and ops than Dunn….you do relaize Dunn is one of the best power hitters of our generation..there are only a few guys(less than 5) that have hit more home runs than Dunn since he began playing full time in the bigs….There is not a single prospect in the cubs system(i know im not a one sided chicago fan i actually read about the cubs too) that comes close to projecting the kind of power and obp that Dunn does…so please lets hear the names of guys that the cubs(whose owner has stated over and over again they will not be big spenders this offseason) can call up or sign to do exactly what Dunn does, and pelase dont say A ram dude cant stay healthy long enough to reproduce Dunns stats for a full year and he is just as bad in terms of Defense as Dunn is and Aram plays a more prime Defensive position…

Gocubs2010
4 years 8 months ago

Im guessing you can’t read because I never said Pena had a better OBP or OPS then dunn I said we can sign anyone or bring them up and they would have better OBP and OPS then Dunn, I put Pena into that category but that would be for 2011 Season that im refering to, You enjoy seeing Dunn strikeout with bases loaded in 9th.

dunt
4 years 8 months ago

The same Carlos Pena that hit .196 last year? The same Carlos Pena that struck out 158 times last year? The same Carlos Pena that had a .320 OBP and .732 OPS last season? You take away all those numbers, and he might look like a good player!

Gocubs2010
4 years 8 months ago

Not really, we have Colvin that can play 1st, Aramis can be moved to 1st for Vitters to come up, We could sign Pena or anyone for that matter that can do better then what Dunn does, Maybe not hit 40 homers that Dunn does but won’t strike out 150 times like Dunn does and have a better OBP and OPS.

jwsox
4 years 8 months ago

saying dunn isnt good without his hrs and rbis is like saying roy halladay isnt good with out his curveball and sinker…and saying johan isnt good without his circle change, …thats just plain dumb..and besides dunns second biggest asset is his obp

baseball52
4 years 8 months ago

I’m surprised no one said OBP before.

I can’t wait to see the worst corner OF in baseball when they play Dunn in LF and Quentin in RF on some days.

Original_Bob_Loblaw
4 years 8 months ago

Ozzie is not stupid….. They will never be on the OF at the same time…. maybe thats how they do it on the northside, but our managers know baseball

Gocubs2010
4 years 8 months ago

Your manager knows baseball? k if you say so, Ozzie knows baseball that’s why he had Peavy pitch injured then later got hurt for rest of the year but Ozzie knows baseball lmao.

thebigdog
4 years 8 months ago

Your mom is looking for you — she says your tomato soup and grilled cheese is ready.

Gocubs2010
4 years 8 months ago

Weak

billmelton
4 years 8 months ago

Weak. Just like you.

Gocubs2010
4 years 8 months ago

Weak

4 years 8 months ago

When did Peavy pitch injured?

4 years 8 months ago

So Peavy pitched injured? Wow guy your an amazing insider. I dont remember anything about Ozzie pitching Jake while he was injured. I must have been living on a rock somewhere. Unless of course I was like some people and just made stories up on the fly to try and dismantle a subject I know nothing about

Gocubs2010
4 years 8 months ago

Peavy was pitching with a strained arm and even Ozzie said it was up to Peavy to make the call of coming out of the game, Ozzie was even going to skip Peavy or put him on the DL because of his arm then not long after he gets injured for season.

kahnives
4 years 8 months ago

And how was it that Ozzie made him pitch when he gave him the option? Peavy is a competitor. The same way he came back a month early at the end of 09 to give the Sox fans like 3 or 4 starts to show that the move KW made to bring him in wasn’t a waste and that he could still pitch.

Dunn has one of the highest OPS’s consistently every year. He is getting paid to get on base and drive in runs. It’s that simple. Avg is such an overrated stat. Yes, Dunn bats .250 every year, but he gets on base 40% of the time CONSISTENTLY over the past 7 years. There is not argument on that. The Sox wanted to bring him to give support to Konerko in that lineup (same reason they wanted to add a bat like Manny at the trade deadline, even though it failed).

jwsox
4 years 8 months ago

You just proved your original injury comment wrong…”Ozzie said it was up to Peavy to make the call of coming out of the game” is exactly what you wrote..dont even think of editing it…which means it was up to PEAVY NOT OZZIE…so dont say ozzie pitched peavy when he was injured…

4 years 8 months ago

If I recall, Peavy Pitched a complete game 2 hitter vs. the Nationals when he had his “strained” arm. It’s not Ozzies job to play doctor or be Peavy’s Mom. The trainers and the player decide whether he is healthy or not. The manager takes what the player and trainers tell him and he decides from there.

I’m pretty sure Ozzie isn’t a doctor, but he’s definitely one of the top 10 managers in the game right now.

And no one, as a pitcher, has ever had the same injury as Peavy. So even the smartest doctor in the world wouldn’t have seen it coming.

jwsox
4 years 8 months ago

peavy didnt pitch injured…it was a freak injury….and its more or less don coopers fault if a pitcher goes out there on any given day not ozzies…and yes ozzie knows baseball which is why he brought chicago its first world series win in decades!!!!

billmelton
4 years 8 months ago

I guess Manager of the Year in 2005 and a WS Ring should settle that.

jwsox
4 years 8 months ago

why do people think Dunn is going to play OF, just because he will play anywhere? He is going to split time at 1st and DH the only time he will ever play OF is if he has the day off and pinch hits for an OFer and ozzie just keeps him in…you will see DUnn play maybe 1 game in the OF

baseball52
4 years 8 months ago

Uh, yea. He won’t play there more than 10 games at the most. No one will argue that.

Gocubs2010
4 years 8 months ago

If a manager knows a player is battling through injuries and he doesn’t take him out of the game for the sake of the team then the manager is not doing his job, No Manager should leave it in the hands of a player, When Peavy went down Sox went with him so had Ozzie managed Peavy correctly he probably wouldn’t be battling through injury that he is now. Why do people keep saying Dunn is 1 of the best power hitters since he began playing full time? He’s also the best Strikeout hitter of anyone in last year years which is why he leads category for most K’s in the 7 year span, Dunn will hit 40 homers and may get on base but he might always choke when the pressure time amounts.

jwsox
4 years 8 months ago

May get on base his career obp is .381…thats not a “may get on base” thats a he will get on base…and he will probably hit more than 40 in the cell….I also want to know where the whole choke argument comes from and how you can prove it? OH thats right you cant…here is the thing peavy had a sore elbow….he was given a full week to rest and came back and injured his SHOULDER!!!!!!!!! totally different muscle group…Peavy and his Dr’s all said it was a freak injury….so by that same ozzie should have managed him better and seeing as you are a cubs fan does that make dusty baker a bad manager for what happened to prior and kerry wood?

Gocubs2010
4 years 8 months ago

Have you not seen Schmidt, Russ Ortiz, Volquez to go along with Wood and Prior? all managed by dusty all not good anymore and Volquez soon won’t be.

jwsox
4 years 8 months ago

i bet you are one of those cubs fans who blames bartmen right? even though there were 10 other people with their hands in the air trying to catch that ball and the cubs still had like 3 innings to win the game and they couldn’t

Gocubs2010
4 years 8 months ago

Nice try but no, If Alex Gonzalez knew how to field an easy ground ball “Bartman” isn’t the cause.

jwsox
4 years 8 months ago

well i have a little more respect for you now…very little…

jwsox
4 years 8 months ago

dude you are fighting for the sake of fighting thats what fan sites and blogs are for not this site…just go away your just getting mroe and more annoying and discrediting you self with every single post

jwsox
4 years 8 months ago

saying dunn isnt good without his hrs and rbis is like saying roy halladay isnt good with out his curveball and sinker…and saying johan isnt good without his circle change, …thats just plain dumb..and besides dunns second biggest asset is his obp

4 years 8 months ago

Id love to see KW sign Putz now. Hes a significant part of that bullpen. I think he wants to come back too. Sign Putz…pick up another lefty for the pen and find a 4th outfielder(maybe Danks?)…and the Sox should be set

jwsox
4 years 8 months ago

Jordan Danks could be a defensive sub for carlos(every scout has said his glove is MLB ready) resign Andru Jones to be the 5th OF/ pinch hitter….bench of Omar, teahan, danks, jones, castro is a good one…i would like to see even more of vicedio and DFA or package teahan for a BP guy

Red_Line_9
4 years 8 months ago

The Sox were very wise to make the offense as attractive as possible going into the winter meetings. They’ll look very good to FA relievers.

Wouldn’t be shocked to see Quentin dealt. He seems to have a problem staying off the DL….even when he was in Arizona. He’s a nice bat, but he won’t help the Sox from the bench.

4 years 8 months ago

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

4 years 8 months ago

1) Pierre(LF)
2) Rios(CF)
3) Dunn(1b/DH/RF))
4) Konerko(DH/1b)
5) Quentin(RF/DH)
6) Viciendo(3b)
7) AJ(C)
8) Beckham(2b)
9) Ramirez(SS)

4 years 8 months ago

I love Viciedo and all but if Morel hits just 270 this spring I think that job is his at 3rd. I know Ozzie loves his defense

And I dont think Rios would be hitting 2nd. I think he’s best fit for 5th behind Dunn and Paulie. Gordon and Alexei will probably be the most likely canidates to be manning the 2 whole.

thebigdog
4 years 8 months ago

Don’t know if Rios would enjoy taking good pitches to hit waiting for Pierre to steal second — he seems mentally fragile which usually translates to being easily distracted. I think by the second half of the season, we will see Beckham in the two-hole.

Do you think Viciedo can really handle 3B defensively? I would settle for slightly below average and then put Vizquel in as defensive replacement as early as the sixth or seventh inning.

mboss
4 years 8 months ago

We’re in trouble if Viciedo is playing 3B everyday. Like Michael said, if Morel shows something in Spring training I think he gets the job. Morel is a good defensive 3B and you pair him with Alexei the left side is very good defensively. Viciedo can DH against some LHP(which he kills) unless he is down at Charlotte learning how to hit a breaking ball and take an occasional walk.

jwsox
4 years 8 months ago

vicedio was not that bad there last season he amde some very good plays and has a crazy strong arm…but i think the job is morells to lose based on D..but vicedio should be on the bench at the least to have even more power there

jwsox
4 years 8 months ago

1-pierre(lf) 2-alexi/gordon(ss/2nd) 3-rios(cf)-4 dunn(DH/1st) 5-PK(1st/DH) 6- Carlos(RF) 7 AJ(c) 8- Gordon/alexi(2nd/ss) 8-Morell(3rd) bench omar(IF)-Vicedio(1st/3rd/DH/ LF,RF(maybe??)/ Jordan Danks(4th of, pinch runner) Andru Jones(5th of/ pinch hitter defensive sub)…trade teahan for BP(someone will take him)..
Dunn will never find time in the OF

kahnives
4 years 8 months ago

If Vicedio plays the OF, I think that we are deep trouble…

Buddy Bell was saying that the younger Danks was ready to be playing in the Majors his first year. He said that he was the most mature talent that he had seen in the minors.

Someone that I would like to see them try to keep is De Aza. With the team as it is currently constructed, there is no CF to back up Rios (If I see Pierre in there, I might hang myself). De Aza has some speed (Lead AAA in steals last season) and would be a great 4th OF

jwsox
4 years 8 months ago

danks is actually a Cfer so he would be the back up

4 years 8 months ago

Dayan is not starting at 3rd. Morel is.

Red_Line_9
4 years 8 months ago

Wonder if the Rockies would dangle Franklin Morales?

jwsox
4 years 8 months ago

for? vicedio? possibly if konerko is resigned then vicedio is the odd man out…what about teahan+prosects(mid level guy) and cash?

4 years 8 months ago

No team wants Teahen. His contract is BAD.

jwsox
4 years 8 months ago

thats why i said the sox would include cash…there could also be a bad BP contract the sox could take

ThinkBlue10
4 years 8 months ago

Man, i wish the Dodgers would try to get Konerko.
And if you guys don’t want Viciedo, Dodgers would gladly take him.

jwsox
4 years 8 months ago

vicedio+jordan dank+pitching prospect not named chris sale for broxton? the dodgers seem to be very low on him right now

ThinkBlue10
4 years 8 months ago

I’d do that.

mboss
4 years 8 months ago

Too much for Broxton….did you see him this year? He was worse than Jenks, and he makes $7M this coming year.

4 years 8 months ago

I could see them putting Danks as a reserve OF and grooming him to take over for Pierre eventually. It should be an exciting year, hopefully Kenny and Ozzie don’t act like little girls this season and the Sox run away with the division (I know it will never happen with the Twins, so pesky but just solid)

jwsox
4 years 8 months ago

its baseball anything could happen

baseball52
4 years 8 months ago

This phrase more or so applies to the Twins running away with the division.

4 years 8 months ago

If Quentin doesnt show up for a entire season this year, Jordan will be taking over for him instead

danks50
4 years 8 months ago

Not loving these term if the numbers are true. Konerko is a very nice player but he’ll be 35 next year. With that being said I think we had to find a way to resign him, He just fits in too well with what we have right now and a possibly of:

LF-Pierre
CF-Rios
DH/1B-Dunn
1B/DH-Konerko
RF-Quentin
2B-Beckham
SS-Alexei
C-Pierzynski
3B-Morel

is potentially lethal if Alex continues to produce and Beckham steps up from what was a horrible first half of baseball last year. I’m excited for next season!

kahnives
4 years 8 months ago

I think that Beckham will be batting 2, and Rios 5. It seems like KW and Ozzie aren’t too high on CQ right now. I would not be surprised to see him traded by spring training. They really think that the younger Danks is ready, willing and able.

On a side note, it is incredibly known how much in love with Crawford Kenny Williams is. He has tried to trade for him multiple times and gotten shot down each time. But it is known that once Kenny seeks out a guy, he gets him (Carl Everett [twice], Griffey Junior, Dunn, Carlos Quentin, Peavy, and the list goes on). If the Sox are able to trade CQ, expect them to at least show interest in Crawford.

4 years 8 months ago

We can only dream

danks50
4 years 8 months ago

Kenny has stated a couple times recently that Carlos Quentin is his right fielder going into next year so I wouldn’t expect a trade. Also I’m not sure where your getting your info about Jordan Danks but he wouldn’t come close to sniffing a starting role as his production has been more/less horrendous in the minor leagues and looks nothing like a potential major league player right now.

As for Crawford with all the money tied up in payroll and the possibility of adding Konerko at $13 or so million plus our arb-eligible players were probably looking at somewhere in the neighborhood of $120 committed going into next year. Crawford is not going to get any offers from Kenny Williams this offseason.

kahnives
4 years 8 months ago

“”Jordan’s toughness is his greatest attribute,” Sox farm director Buddy Bell recently told the Charlotte Observer. “He plays through injuries that would put most players on the shelf. It takes an act of Congress to get him out of (the lineup).”

Bell lavishes praise on Danks’ glove work. “He’s already one of the best outfielders in baseball, including major leagues,” Bell said. “Now there are going to be people who hear that and say I’m nuts, but it’s a fact. Jordan is as athletic as they come, he’s as instinctive as they come, and he plays as hard as anybody.””

That’s what Bell has been saying, not me.

danks50
4 years 8 months ago

Have you been following Jordan Danks? He came out of college as a raw athletic player with decent potential to develop power. Last year in AAA he struck out 151 times in 502 at bats, walked 41 times and hit 6 home runs (good for a .685 OPS). In AA in 09 he put up a line of .243/.337/.693. He’s basically an excellent fielder with no offensive value and were supposed to pencil him into a starting role because our farm director has some nice things to say about his game? He’s been horrendous at the upper levels for two straight years and currently treading under bust status not ‘hey this guy might be an everyday player’.