Red Sox Will Not Acquire Starter

4:46pm: The Red Sox have given up searching for starting pitching help and they'll rely on one of their own pitchers in the event of a play-in game tomorrow, according to Sean McAdam of CSNNE.com (on Twitter).

12:17pm: ESPN's Buster Olney and CSNNE.com's Sean McAdam both find the Red Sox trading for a starter to be unlikely, to varying degrees (Twitter links).  Bob Dutton of the Kansas City Star hears that the Royals and Red Sox are discussing Chen, but one official calls a trade a "long shot."

10:18am: Royals lefty Bruce Chen is among Boston's trade targets as they consider acquiring a starter for a potential Thursday play-in game, reports Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports.  Chen is scheduled to start tonight in Minnesota as he seeks to tie his career-high of 13 wins.

Chen projects as a Type B free agent, and an arbitration offer from Kansas City is realistic.  Red Sox GM Theo Epstein would have to surrender something significant to best the value of that potential draft pick, and he'd probably have to complete the trade before even knowing whether he'd need Chen for tomorrow.  At most, the Red Sox would be able to use Chen for that one game, as he would not be eligible for the postseason roster.  As Rosenthal notes, the lefty has already cleared waivers.  The 34-year-old Chen has a 3.98 ERA, 5.7 K/9, 2.9 BB/9, 1.1 HR/9, and 35.5% groundball rate on the season.

In theory, Epstein could also look at fully rested starters such as Chien-Ming Wang, Rodrigo Lopez, and Aaron Harang, though Harang also may be a Type B.  If the Red Sox do not acquire a starter, they might have to use John Lackey or Tim Wakefield on three days rest should a play-in game occur Thursday at Tropicana Field.  Another option might be activating Clay Buchholz, according to WEEI's Rob Bradford.


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118 Comments on "Red Sox Will Not Acquire Starter"


Ben_Cherington
3 years 10 months ago

This is stupid.  If he hasnt been part of the team he shouldnt be allowed to play!  This is like bringing in a ringer and someone who will not be comfortable with our catchers.  I do not feel that this is fair to the Rays even if it is within the rules, we should have to use someone who has been on the roster before a potential play in game.

Dont get me wrong, I would like to have him as he would be our best option but I do not think this is right.

Also do the red sox want to pin the season on a pitcher who hasnt played for them this yr?

NickinIthaca
3 years 10 months ago

The only place the Bruce Chen should be considered a ringer is in a high school playoff game….

3 years 10 months ago

I don’t know about that. Have you seen the Sox Rotation?

3 years 10 months ago

Hey Chickinithica, why do you want to fling vile crap for no reason?
Chen is a solid pitcher, I know it, everyone with half a brain knows it…oh, I just answered my own question

JacksTigers
3 years 9 months ago

Hey Chickinithica, why do you want to fling vile crap for no reason?
Do I want to ask?

NickinIthaca
3 years 9 months ago

Well done with the play on my name… and I’m just making a joke.  Chen is a decent option, but in no case would I consider him a ringer.  And I’m sure if he was the same pitcher on any other team, and not the average pitcher he is on the team you root for, then you probably would have found my comment humorous.

3 years 10 months ago

Hey Chickinithica, why do you want to fling vile crap for no reason?
Chen is a solid pitcher, I know it, everyone with half a brain knows it…oh, I just answered my own question

Redsoxn8tion
3 years 10 months ago

I agree with you Fantasy_Theo.

captainjeter
3 years 10 months ago

I agree  this is stupid  and show be illegal.  This  reeks  of desperation  on the part of  the Sox.  They should be made to use someone on  their  own 40  man roster.
This is  also dumb   since the pitcher ,whomever he  is  would not  be eligile for the playoffs. And  hasn’t  Theo done enough bad trades  this year. He gave up 4 prospects  in that  3  team trade for Bedard. Now, he wants to give up more  for a 1 game rental. Then the Sox could be stuck  with  the salary of a player   that they don’t  want next year? But, on the other hand ,  they are  being choked  by Crawford’s  salary  and   that  wife  deserter Lackey.
People whine  and  complain  that the Yanks buy  championships. So do  the Sox. They have the  exact   same  motto as the Yankees. Win  at all costs, and WS or season  is a  bust.

Cashman would never make a  despetration  move   like   this .He would  concede the playoffs.  Maybe Theo  is  worried  about  his job? Hey, he  can always  take  the  Cubs  job.

notsureifsrs
3 years 10 months ago

lol

Ben_Cherington
3 years 10 months ago

I wish you didnt agree with me!  It makes me look bad

3 years 10 months ago

A team is allowed to do that? Would they also be able to play in the play-offs?

3 years 10 months ago

No. A tie-breaker is considered part of the regular season, but because he was not on the roster before Sept. 1, nor was he on the 40-man, he would not be allowed to play in the playoffs.

TLB2001
3 years 10 months ago

Not eligible for the playoffs.  The Royals dumped Jose Guillen on the Giants last year for the post-season run but he was acquired after the cutoff, which I believe is Sept 1, so he wasn’t eligible to be on the playoff roster.  The tie-breaker is technically considered a play-in, so it’s allowable, albeit stupid.

Chen might very well accept the arbitration offer, so a pick isn’t guaranteed.  As a Royals fan, i can think of worse things than having Chen at the back of our rotation next year.  Hopefully we get two legit starters in the trade market and make it a moot point.

David X
3 years 10 months ago

Actually, Guillen was acquired by the Giants on Aug. 13. There was talk here in S.F. about why he was left off the postseason roster, so I knew that after-the-deadline stuff was incorrect.

3 years 10 months ago

 It was because of his drug policy violation and team embarassment.

3 years 10 months ago

actually Bruce Chen was with the Red Sox before …for about 6 months.. in 2002 .. I believe… Why not?? If it doesnt cost much cant be any worse than the flottsam and jetsam they have now!!… 

$36084783
3 years 10 months ago

I’m a Red Sox fan, and yet this doesn’t seem right on principle; it’s simply another instance of trying to ‘buy a win’. Ugh. 

3 years 10 months ago

Why?  The rays could do it too. They just don’t need to.

mgsports
3 years 10 months ago

Milwood because was already on 40 Man? Doug Davis doesn’t cost anything?

3 years 10 months ago

they would not be allowed in the playoffs. only will pitch that one game for the red sox and thats it. This is not like bringing in a ringer, because whoever the red sox get, will not be a ringer, an ace, or even a 2 starter. Red sox pitching lacks and they need something, to get in the playoffs. if they miss the playoffs they lose 15 million dollars. so, its also about the money for organization.

razorwing77
3 years 10 months ago

I don’t see how this could possibly go wrong :

04Forever
3 years 10 months ago

I think we should just let the cards fall where they may at this point. We are really at the point of brining in a guy for a potential tie breaker after we were the kings of the division? Please. Lets just put our best foot forward and hope we make it, God knows we dont deserve it…

notsureifsrs
3 years 10 months ago

our “best foot” has the gout

johnsilver
3 years 10 months ago

Is David Wells still around? :-)

3 years 10 months ago

All anyone can say is WOW!

Jason Klinger
3 years 10 months ago

Good Lord.

jondogg2010
3 years 10 months ago

If the Sox get Chen, they can easily sign him for 2012. I’m pretty sure he would want to return to Boston as well.

3 years 10 months ago

Boston will pay through the nose for any of these guys!  Gotta love it!  Its like selling a new tire to the guy on the side of the highway with a flat.  Open that wallet!

Rabbitov
3 years 10 months ago

Does anyone think this is a good idea?
Bringing in a pitcher who hasn’t pitched for the team and throwing them in the lion’s den. Also oh yea, they don’t have the same incentive to win the game because they are banned from the playoffs.  

Call me dumb, but I don’t get it at all.

3 years 10 months ago

I can’t speak for Bruce Chen, but if I was in his shoes – uniquely acquired to make a single start – I sure as hell would give it my all.  Not being playoff eligible wouldn’t change that for me.

East Coast Bias
3 years 10 months ago

But… why? What’s the incentive? Loyalty to a team you’ve been a part of for a few hours? I’m with @yahoo-QW4N5V7UBGLMW2CMWLJKYGQD74:disqus , I don’t get why Chen would give it his all.

MaineSox
3 years 10 months ago

Pride

3 years 10 months ago

It would be a great feather in Chen’s cap if he could go into free agency or arbitration with the mantle of “Season Saver” around his neck.

Big late moments can turn into big pay bumps, sorta like a small-scale version of Carlos Beltran, Cody Ross, or Juan Uribe.

3 years 10 months ago

I wouldn’t start Chen even if he we got him for nothing. Everyone but Lester would be available. EVERYONE> Start Lackey, first sign of trouble, yank him. Seriously, he pitched okay last Sunday night in a must-win against NY.

rockfordone
3 years 10 months ago

what game were you watching – guy throws basketballs up there

notsureifsrs
3 years 10 months ago

the first sign of trouble is that lackey’s starting. by your own theory, someone else should be put in before the game starts

studentdotcom
3 years 10 months ago

I’m a huge Red Sox fan, but I really hope that nothing like this happens.  There is no way that something like this should be allowed.

notsureifsrs
3 years 10 months ago

i don’t understand this point of view at all. it’s the red sox getting screwed here, not anyone else. the rays could do it too if they wanted, but they don’t need to

3 years 10 months ago

I understand it completely.  Yes the Red Sox would get killed value wise in the trade, but it still makes very little sense for it to even be allowed.  Why even have a trade deadline if we’re doing this?

notsureifsrs
3 years 10 months ago

what are you even

do you understand that this trade could have happened at any point between august 1st and now? you were not upset it about back then and the only team that is hurt by it happening now instead of then is boston

3 years 10 months ago

No I don’t understand that.  Is there not a waiver trade deadline?

notsureifsrs
3 years 10 months ago
notsureifsrs
3 years 10 months ago

in case it’s not clear, the reason you almost never see september trades is because the acquired players would ineligible for the postseason and playoff teams are usually the ones acquiring players

boston has broken the suck barrier this september and that calls for unprecedented emergency maneuvering

3 years 10 months ago

So then the deadline is for players to be put on waivers but not necessarily traded?

notsureifsrs
3 years 10 months ago

what. the july 31st deadline is for non-waiver trades. no waivers required

there is no subsequent official deadline for trades. the august 31st is deadline applies to playoff eligibility. anyone added to the roster in september — by trade or callup or any other means — is ineligible for the postseason roster. there is no prohibition of trades after that date, but there is usually no reason for teams to give up resources to acquire a player that can’t help them in the playoffs

3 years 10 months ago

The waiver deadline or whatever that thing in August is.

notsureifsrs
3 years 10 months ago

the “waiver deadline” as it is often called is just a postseason eligibility deadline. it doesn’t change the ability of a team to make trades; it just limits the usefulness of any player traded for

3 years 10 months ago

I getcha.  Well done sir.

notsureifsrs
3 years 10 months ago

fun facts:

– In 1964 the Yankees acquired Pedro Ramos from the Indians in September
and he proceeded to do a fantastic job in relief down the stretch. He
wasn’t eligible for the post-season, though.

– In 1987, the Giants, heading for the NL West title, made a trade to get
Dave Henderson from the Red Sox on Sept. 1. When Henderson got to San
Francisco, he told the writers how excited he was to get another chance
to be in the postseason. They gently broke the news to him he wasn’t
eligible. He didn’t know.

– In 1990, the Blue Jays traded for Bud Black on September 18. They didn’t
make the playoffs, but he wouldn’t have been eligible anyways.

– The Braves traded for Damon Berryhill with one game left in the 1991 season.

rockfordone
3 years 10 months ago

Peavy’s available – throw in Dunn for a PH – for Bowden and Bard

3 years 10 months ago

Theo Epstein sounds like he’s really a desperate man these days! Bruce Chen, that’s hilarious. This isn’t the leadership of someone who’s won “Two” World Series! That Payroll of his between Crawford, Gonzalez, Jenks and now he’s reducing himself to Bruce Chen? I hope Bruce Chen tells him, No!
PS, I wonder what that medical report said about Rich Harden and nixed the trade. Harden didn’t miss any starts since the report as far as I know. Tsk, Tsk, Tsk. What makes it even better is the fact how well the Rays have played especially with their thimble sized budget.

wolf9309
3 years 10 months ago

lets not go crazy here.  Harden has pitched 19.1 innings in 4 september starts (hasn’t been skipped, but has been given plenty of extra rest) with a 6.98 ERA and a 5.20 FIP.

So he didn’t go to the Red Sox, but he’s been pitching like he has.

Oilcanoworms
3 years 10 months ago

Of course he is, he wants to win!! But if Garcia and Colon hadn’t greatly exceeded their expectations, Cashman would have looked like a desperate man (which he was when he signed them). Sometimes things work out, sometimes they don’t.

Here’s hoping the Yanks blow it in the first round!

touchmymonkey
3 years 10 months ago

Brett myers? Astros save $11MM next year but would need a viable starter in return at the very least.

$6101468
3 years 10 months ago

…and he and Lackey can compare notes on women.

3 years 10 months ago

Joe Blanton, anyone? 

3 years 10 months ago

I couldn’t agree more. It is not  like they are just opening their wallets to write a big paycheck. They might have to give up a legitimate  prospect to just try and put a patch on the rotation for one day. 

(This was a reply to notsureifs)

notsureifsrs
3 years 10 months ago

even as a sox fan, this is pretty funny stuff. the week would be really enjoyable if it were happening because the two teams were playing great baseball down the stretch instead of one crapping the bed a little bit less completely than the other