Offseason Outlook: Baltimore Orioles

Once the Orioles sort out the uncertainty in their front office, they'll have to improve a disappointing rotation and add balance to their promising lineup.

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The Orioles' next GM has one of the toughest assignments in baseball: pass the up-and-coming Blue Jays, the deep-pocketed Red Sox, the perennially competitive Rays and the powerhouse Yankees. This job will take more than one year.

At this point, it's not clear who will be leading the Orioles' baseball operations department going forward. President of baseball operations Andy MacPhail has stepped aside, so Baltimore will search for a new general manager. We do know manager Buck Showalter will remain in the dugout next year.

It will take a skilled general manager with a long-term vision to mold the Orioles into a contender. They are short on pitching and entered the season with the weakest farm system in the division, according to Baseball America. The Rays provide hope, since they have three playoff berths in the past four years despite having a lower payroll than the Orioles and a far worse stadium. Success on a budget is possible in the AL East, but even MacPhail couldn't turn the franchise into a contender.

The Orioles experienced many disappointments in 2011 and the biggest letdown of all occurred in the starting rotation, where young, promising pitchers failed to develop as swiftly as expected. Baltimore finished last in MLB in rotation ERA (5.39), innings (881) and quality starts (60) and they weren't particularly close to the 29th ranked team in any of those categories.

Brian Matusz had a 10.69 ERA in 12 starts; Jake Arrieta struggled, then underwent elbow surgery in August; Chris Tillman's season stats were disappointing; Zach Britton had an up-and-down season. The Orioles need better pitching in 2012 and they're in a difficult position since they can't rely on their young starters, but it's too early to give up on them.

Though Jeremy Guthrie led the league in losses again, he was a steady presence in the rotation. His durability (three consecutive years of 200+ innings) sets him up for a generous arbitration payday of $8MM or more. He's eligible for free agency after 2012 and could be trade bait this winter. If the Orioles part with the durable 32-year-old without getting pitching back, their rotation will look even thinner. Along with Matusz, Arrieta, Tillman, and Britton, pitchers Tommy Hunter and Brad Bergesen are internal candidates to start in 2012.

The Orioles will likely pursue starting pitching in trades and on the free agent market this offseason. Free agent C.J. Wilson would have appeal, though squeezing his salary into the payroll won't necessarily be easy. Assuming the front office brings back Jones, Johnson, Guthrie, Bergesen, Simon and Andino through arbitration, the Orioles will have about $64MM in commitments for 2012 (a figure that doesn't account for minimum salary players). They've worked with payrolls of $74MM and $87MM in the past two seasons, so they figure to have $10-25MM to spend, depending on how much owner Peter Angelos has budgeted.

Wilson isn't the only prominent free agent who could fill a void for the Orioles. Prince Fielder would instantly become the team's best hitter and strengthen an offense that finished seventh in the American League with 708 runs scored. The Orioles would have to commit $100MM to a player for the first time in franchise history and surrender their second-round draft pick in 2012 to obtain Fielder.

Baltimore's first base plan will also affect the future of Mark Reynolds, who may be better off at first or DH than at third. Chris Davis is another free swinger who played both corner infield positions down the stretch and may start in 2012.

Vladimir Guerrero probably won't be back and it seems unlikely that the Orioles will offer arbitration after his so-so season. Luke Scott, another DH option, missed the final two and a half months of the season after undergoing shoulder surgery. He's a non-tender candidate, but the Orioles figure to have interest in retaining him on a one-year deal if his recovery goes well. Nolan Reimold has earned consideration in left field, Scott's primary defensive position, after posting a .973 OPS in September. The Orioles will also have to determine how many roster spots they can devote to powerful hitters who strike out a lot and don't play premium positions such as Scott, Davis and Reynolds.

Brian Roberts' injuries make second base difficult to project (Roberts is now recovering from a concussion). Robert Andino filled in admirably in 2011 and he'll be back next year, possibly with 24-year-old Ryan Adams, another candidate to play the position. The Orioles can't be expecting much from Roberts, who has played just 98 games in the past two seasons.

Four position players – J.J. Hardy, Nick Markakis, Adam Jones and Matt Wieters — form the Orioles' unofficial core, as they're all under control through 2013 or beyond. It won't be surprising if Baltimore explores extensions for Jones and Wieters at some point in the offseason. There figures to be more urgency to lock up Jones, who would be eligible for free agency after 2013.

There's work to be done in the bullpen, where Jim Johnson's standout season helped mask Kevin Gregg's disappointing one. Both are likely back in the bullpen next year, although there has been talk about making Johnson a starter.  Other holdovers include Jason Berken, Chris Jakubauskas, Clay Rapada, Alfredo Simon, Troy Patton, Pedro Strop and non-tender candidates Jo-Jo Reyes, Jeremy Accardo and Willie Eyre

From a statistical standpoint, the Orioles had a below-average bullpen this year, but no manager relied on his relievers more than Showalter, who needed 565 2/3 innings of relief because of the rotation's struggles. An improved rotation would lessen the strain on the bullpen in 2012. The Orioles have spent on relievers in recent years (including some regrettable deals) and it makes sense for them to restore bullpen depth and add relievers this offseason.

For the Orioles to progress, their rotation has to improve significantly. Baltimore figures to be in the market for starters and relievers this offseason as they look to improve upon the disappointment of 2011. They need position players, too, and could shop for help at first base, DH and left field and move the likes of Davis and Reynolds around depending on who they obtain. But offseason acquisitions can only do so much for the Orioles, who need to see their homegrown pitchers evolve from prospects to contributors if they are to start their ascent in the American League East.


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  1. Nice analysis Ben.  Honestly, I think the team is closer to competing than many think.  I know that’s been a common thought among O’s fans recently but I look at it this way:

    The offense was relatively decent despite starting guys like Andino, Davis, Fox (for part of the year), Scott (with a torn labrum), lee, etc.  I think a realistic timeline to compete is 2014 when Machado, Schoop, Klien (if his shoulder heals), Bundy, etc will be MLB ready (or close).  I hate to say this but I know Roberts isn’t a part of the future, and Markakis may not either.  I know this is an excercise in futility, but I’ll throw out a potential lineup / rotation for 2014 (which I acknowledge is incredibly pointless, however this is how I cope.  Don’t you judge me).

    C – Wieters
    1B – Reynolds
    2B – Hardy
    3B – Schoop
    SS – Machado
    LF – Reimold
    CF – Jones
    RF – Markakis

    SP – Bundy
    SP – Matusz
    SP – Britton
    SP – Arrieta
    SP – Tillman

    SU – Johnson
    CL – Klein (again a HUGE if)

    • Oh here we again, someone not showing any love for Andino
      And Bundy as our # 1? Who’s the pitching coach that’s going to develop this kid?
      He might be good, but he’s not Kershaw. Schoop as third base that should be interesting, I don’t think he has the power for 3rd base. Also, I am curious who’s going to help Reimold with his defense?

      Shaking my head with all the wishing going on there, but hey as I said before I am not always right and maybe you are in this case….

      • I have love for Andino.  He’s a great utility guy, just not a starter.
        Yes.  Bundy profiles as a #1.  Without a doubt.  Maybe not in 2014 but he has that potential.
        Schoop definitely has the power for third from what most scouts are saying.Reimold is not an ideal LF but this is the real world and I can’t just put Justin Upton there hoping we trade for him.

        As I said above,  this is all heavily based in speculation and hopes/dreams.  I think the team has potential (there’s still growth for Matusz, Tillman, Wieters, Britton, Jones, etc).  I don’t think this is unrealistic, and sure it assumes guys reach their potential but isn’t that what everyone wants (even if it’s not 100% realistic)?

      • Rabbitov 4 years ago

        Andino is Util. If he starts next year we have serious problems. 

    • Tillman is in that rotation and not Britton? I think Britton is the only one who has a decent chance of being there in 2014, honestly. I don’t see us _competing_ in the next 3 to 5 years, but a run at .500 would be nice.

      • Britton should be third.  I was blanking on his name for some reason.  That’s my bad.

  2. While I don’t know how much we can get for Markakis’ on his contract trading him this offseason needs to be considered.  Maybe he gains more than gap power, but probably not.  If they can get a near ready pitching prospect and a young OF type it may be worth it. 
    Just throwing out a completely random idea, as it is the most fun thing to do on this website, but maybe Geraldo Parra and Tyler Skaggs for Markakis?  DBacks can move Nick or Upton to LF.

    • alexva . 4 years ago

      If the Nats offered you Espinosa, Marrero and Lannen, would you take it?

      • that would be kind of dumb for both teams, considering lannan is meh, espinosa is unfortunately in a spot we already owe money, and he is another high K, low OBP guy with power.  And for the nats I think they are looking for a CF, as the other two positions are spoken for for the next 6 years

      • The_Porcupine 4 years ago

        Yes, I’d even due Markakis for Espinosa straight up.  Though I would try to haggle for a young reliever like Rodriquez in addition.

        • No.  Just no.

        • not_brooks 4 years ago

          Are we trying to set a record for strikeouts by an infield? 200+ each from Reynolds and Davis and another 160+ from Espinosa. Hardy might be the only saving grace there.

          I wouldn’t mind trading Markakis, but this winter isn’t the time to do it. No one is going to trade much of anything for a .280 hitter who doesn’t hit for much power or steal many bases. Especially since that guy is guaranteed $44MM over the next four seasons.

          Let’s hope that Nick bounces back to at least an .800 OPS in 2012, or that he starts off real hot and can bring in a nice haul at the trade deadline.

        • Rabbitov 4 years ago

          Interesting would you trade me a diamond for the hunk of grass I just picked out of the ground? 

  3. While I don’t know how much we can get for Markakis’ on his contract trading him this offseason needs to be considered.  Maybe he gains more than gap power, but probably not.  If they can get a near ready pitching prospect and a young OF type it may be worth it. 
    Just throwing out a completely random idea, as it is the most fun thing to do on this website, but maybe Geraldo Parra and Tyler Skaggs for Markakis?  DBacks can move Nick or Upton to LF.

  4. They need to get some better contact/ walk rate guys. They hit a shitload of HR but no one is ever on base.

    And whoever comes in better not  waste more money on relievers.  As seen in Zona this year, you can improve a bullpen in a hurry if you are actually a decent team.  Wasting money on a reliever again would be asinine.  Berken, Johnson, Gregg, Schoop, Bergy, Tillman, and Patton are enough for now.

    • The_Porcupine 4 years ago

      I agree with your ideas about the bullpen to a point.  I feel you need to have a solid, dependable closer at the end to anchor the pen.  While I feel closers in general are a bit overvalued, I feel it is important for a team to have that 1 reliever they no they can count on, the one given that you don’t need to worry about.  That may you can mix and match your other relievers into roles that fit their strengths.  For teams like Boston, Texas, or the Yankees, a closer is less importanct because they have depth in the bullpen with relievers who are established.  The Orioles have bodies, but not depth.  I have no faith in Gregg and I would rather not have Johnson close (I can’t explain why, I just don’t see him as being a shut down type reliever).  I would like to see them bring in someone like Heath Bell (a second tier guy, without a history of injuries) who you know what he is going to give you. 

      It will be a buyer’s market for closers this year.  I just hope they go after someone reliable like a Bell instead of the occassionally good, injury prone, or getting it down with smoke and mirrors type closers they’ve brought in the last few years (like Gonzalez, Gregg, Uehara, Baez, etc.).

      • disagree, jim johnson is straight up dirty nasty.  And the only thing that is a bad thing is is K%, but that should return back to normal as his Sw-Str% is around the same.  And my point is rather they should spend on a closer when they are closer to the competition.  joakim soria did nothing for the royals’ except give them a slightly worse draft pick every year.

      • Uehara was actually really good. The rest of them sucked though. Gonzo did get lefties out though, I’ll give him that. And I’ll never forget that one game he had against the White Sox in May.

  5. timmytwoshoezzz 4 years ago

    Aroldis Chapman and Yonder Alonso to Baltimore

    Matusz and Nick Markakis to Cincinnati

    • Won’t happen for a variety of reasons.

      • timmytwoshoezzz 4 years ago

        I’m curious why? 

        • not_brooks 4 years ago

          Reason #1: Markakis and Matusz are both coming off career worst seasons.

          Reason #2: Markakis is guaranteed $44MM over the next four seasons. The Reds aren’t a big market team, and they’re probably more interested in hanging on to Joey Votto than paying big money for a .280 hitter with little power and not much speed.

          Reason #3: Alonso is most likely the backup plan if the Reds can’t keep Votto. If they trade Votto before he gets real expensive ($17MM in 2013), they’ll move Alonso back to first base.

          Reason #4: They’ve invested a lot of money in Chapman as well. And, at this point, he’s got much more potential than Matusz.

          Is that enough?

    • haha i wish

    • not_brooks 4 years ago

      Thanks for the laugh, fella.

    • Rabbitov 4 years ago

      I’d even re-sign Izturis to throw him in to the trade. 

    • Rabbitov 4 years ago

      I’d even re-sign Izturis to throw him in to the trade. 

    • As much as I’d love for that trade to happen… no.

  6. Guest 4 years ago

    A lot of kool aid drinking going on in here.  Fact is the orioles are atrocious.  They stink on offense, they stink on defense, and their pitching is an embarrassment.  Matusz looks like Olson reincarnate, Tillman is batting practice fodder, and Arrieta can’t throw strikes.  Their international scouting efforts are a joke, their farm system is a perpetual wasteland, and no free agent worth anything will come to Baltimore.

    Playoffs? Wildcard? Too funny

    • if you think 99% of free-agents are after anything more than $, your crazy

      • not_brooks 4 years ago

        And that’s why no free agent worth anything will ever come to Baltimore.

        Even since the O’s got burned by Albert Belle’s bum hip, they haven’t been willing to spend on top free agents – the one exception being Miguel Tejada in 2004. Since then, they’ve never been the team to offer the most money and when guys sign elsewhere, they wonder why.

  7. I actually like the Orioles bullpen for next year if they can manage to get rid of Kevin Gregg. Jim Johnson could be a very good closer. Doesn’t have a sexy strikeout rate (5.74 per 9 innings), but his 61.5 GB% (groundball percentage) is tailor made for success at a park like Camden Yards. Pedro Strop has the stuff to be a solid setup man. Alfredo Simon belongs in the pen, and should be a reliable middle reliever. Patton looked solid in the pen, could also become a starter too. Bergesen is fine for a long reliever. Phillips is a lefty who can actually pitch respectably against righties (small sample size). Maybe sign a few low-risk high-reward guys like Joel Zumaya.

  8. For second base, the Orioles could look at Kelly Johnson or Aaron Hill. Johnson will be the more ideal fit since the Orioles do need some left handed bats. Chris Davis and Andino can platoon at third.

  9. Here’s what happens.
    Orioles sign:
    Prince Fielder at 7 yrs/$122mm
    C.J Wilson at 3yrs/ $31mm
    Trade for Kelly Johnson (Roberts comes back thats a bonus.)
    IF The young pitchers can return to form. would = Chance of wild card birth.
    BECUASE
    C.C is leaving NY, Rangers have already said there after him, and will throw him ”stupid money” why would he stay- No supporting cast, and old team that got knocked out of the playoffs.  The red sox are going to have a real bad year trust me, Beckett will be traded. Thats leaves lester? come on. Ortiz is already saying ”SIGN ME YANKEES!”. Then youve got Ellusibury and A.G. The whole rest of the lineup is a ”?”.

  10. As the Oriolio’s get worse and worse and the Nats get better and better … it’ll be interesting to see what Angelos does or does not do. As it is his new GM looks pretty lame. Showalter would have been better but I guess he’ll have a say on talent from the dugout. 

    Me thinks the O’s are in deep, deep trouble. No, they are not like Tampa Bay with the best farm system in all of baseball …. lots of young starting pitchers to replace the guys they trade as they become too expensive. It really starts there. The Rays lineup keeps getting weaker as a result but … they can use the older more experienced and expensive pitching to trade for near major-league ready prospects to fill those holes.

    The Orioles have very little to bargain with … and with the Nats now providing real competition for popularity and ticket sales, playing traditional non-DH baseball? 
    Looks like lose, lose, lose at Camden Yahds.

    But B’more does still have the Ravens … 😉

  11. It will not take 10 years (decade)
    If the Orioles can get a # 1 pitcher to stabilize the rotation, they might make a run at the playoffs.
    The Red Sox rotation smells!
    The Yankees if they lose CC have a problem
    The Blue Jays rotation has the same problem as the Orioles
    The Rays simply have no offense or if you think they do, you can certainly pitch around the ones whom you think will cause you peril!

    I Like Tillman, I disagree with your disappointment

    I would sign Vlad over Scott, but that depends on how much Vlad would cost

    A big problem that the Orioles have is 3rd base. Reynolds is fine @ 1st and I beleive Andino could start all year @ 2nd

    A decade my foot!

  12. start_wearing_purple 4 years ago

    Lester and Beckett alone are better than anything the Orioles have.

    You do realize the Orioles are not one ace away. They are a whole pitching staff and a new batting order away from the playoffs.

  13. Morley C 4 years ago

    “If the Orioles can get a # 1 pitcher to stabilize the rotation, they might make a run at the playoffs.”

    This is sarcasm, right? Dreamy people said the Orioles last year might be “a dark horse for the wild card”. They’re not even close.

  14. The_Porcupine 4 years ago

    I appreciate your optimism, but the O’s are not on the cusp of competing.  They have some solid pieces, but need the young pitchers to mature.  Plus some free agents (and there are few attractive free agents this year outside of Prince). 

  15. not_brooks 4 years ago

    I still don’t understand why O’s fans are so excited about Robert Andino. A soon to be 28-year-old who posted a .670 OPS in 450 some at bats. Can someone explain to me what’s so good about this guy? All I’m seeing is a younger version of Cesar Izturis who isn’t as good of a defender.

    Edit: I just re-read your post, and it’s just full of over-optimistic homer talk.

    The Sox rotation “smells”? Tim Wakefield and John Lackey may be chumps, but Josh Beckett and Jon Lester are fantastic. And if Clay Buchholz comes back healthy next year, they’ll have a damn fine top three. Who do the Orioles have? Jeremy Guthrie, Zach Britton, and…?

    The Yankees aren’t going to lose CC. They know they need him and no other team is going to pony up the cash he’ll be asking for if he opts out.

    Toronto has the same rotation problem as the O’s? Really? Ricky Romero alone is better than any five man rotation the O’s could build with the players they currently have. And Brandon Morrow and Brett Cecil aren’t too bad. Not to mention Kyle Drabek, who’s just as good of a young pitcher as Britton.

    And what the problem with the Rays offense? It was good enough to get them into the playoffs, wasn’t it? And it’ll be better next year with a full year of Desmond Jennings and whoever Andrew Friedman comes up with in the offseason.

    On to the O’s…

    You like Tillman? Really? Why? Please tell me what there is to like. And don’t say anything about his age.

    You would sign Vlad over Scott too? Awesome. An old guy with no power for a middle-aged guy who probably won’t have any power after labrum surgery. Great…

    This team is in deep trouble. And once Peter Angelos chooses another good old boy yes man as his next GM, the trouble will continue. The Orioles refuse to spend on international free agents, and they’ll never commit serious money to a top-of-the-line MLB free agent. Combine that with their awful track record for developing their own talent and, well, there you have it.

    The Orioles are awful at each of the three ways to infuse talent into an MLB franchise. And as long as Peter Angelos is the owner, none of that is going to change.

  16. Smrtbusnisman04 4 years ago

    I follow the Pirates and yes, it can take that long!

    One pitcher can’t solve all the problems the Orioles have in the rotation.

    But if the O’s can sign Wilson, and Tillman or Matusz improve a whole lot, the O’s rotation could be stable.

    I would also consider trading Brian Roberts midseason for a good bullpen arm.

  17. he got hot at the end of the year is all.  and he is a better util than izturis, and can hold over 2b when roberts is dead/ machado hasn’t come up yet

  18. Xub.. how many games did you watch this year?
    You state All I’m seeing is a younger version of Cesar Izturis who isn’t as good of a defender. Are you serious? Andino eats Izzy for lunch! Showalter IMHO agrees with me here. I love Andino! All year long

    Edit: I just re-read your post, and it’s just full of over-optimistic homer talk.That’s hilarious! I am so not a homer. If you read what I said at the Oriole Insider, I would fire the whole remaining front office.

    Anyway, I will post more at lunch time, if I have more time!

  19. The_Porcupine 4 years ago

    Thats all well and good for a utility player, not for a starting caliber player.

  20. not_brooks 4 years ago

    He didn’t even get hot at the end of the year though. He put up a .728 OPS in September.

    And even if you break it down to the last few weeks, he wasn’t that good:

    Last 20 games: .699 OPS
    Last 15 games: .683 OPS
    Last 10 games: .653 OPS
    Last 5 games: .722 OPS

    Honestly, I think the reason some O’s fans get so excited about the guy is because of the two game winning hits off Papelbon. They get all worked up about a few exciting wins and just forget about Andino’s other 455 at bats.

  21. thats my point

  22. Rabbitov 4 years ago

    Is anyone excited for him outside of being a Utility player?  I’m excited to have filled that gap with someone who can hit better than .100

  23. not_brooks 4 years ago

    How many games did you watch past April? Your boy posted a .650 OPS from May 1 through the end of the year.

    Or did you only watch the two games in which Andino got the game winning hit off Papelbon?

    Look, Andino’s a nice utility guy. He’ll stick around for a while as a nice utility guy. There are a handful of teams out there that would love to have him as a utility guy. And, while you say that Showalter agrees with you, I’d say Showalter sees Andino as a nice utility guy.

    That’s all he is, and that’s all he’ll ever be.

    Enjoy your lunch.

  24. i agree, did izturis even have a .600 OPS?  he is a good util, better than wiggy was, because he can actually field. 

  25. Rabbitov 4 years ago

    and a bullpen

  26. niched 4 years ago

    “Lester and Beckett alone are better than anything the Orioles have”

    Uh, they’re better than anything (pitching wise) the Rangers have too, but it’s the Red Sox that failed to make the playoffs.  The Orioles are Brian Matusz may or may not make it in the majors, but your point is valid.  The O’s need more depth.  Not all young top prospects will make it, and the O’s need more good ones.  They have a good one in Zach Britton.  I think Matusz will bounce back, but I could easily be wrong.  I think the O’s need to trade someone (Adam Jones) to get more pitching.  Still, even if the O’s made no moves to their pitching staff this year, it should be a lot better next year just from getting healthier (Matusz started the year on the DL while Arrieta ended the year on it) and from maturity.  But someone else could get hurt too, so depth is needed big time.  When it comes to pitching, the combination of bad luck, bad scouting and poor development the O’s have is astounding.

    “They are a whole pitching staff and a new batting order away from the playoffs.”

    Cute, but they’re hardly a whole batting order away.  They hit for a lot of power and have a number of good hitters than any good team would want.  What the O’s lack is the superstar hitter, but they have a good lineup — better than the Rays for sure — they can build upon.

    I think the O’s are a few years away at least, when Machado, Schoop and the Bundy brothers get their chance.  But any bad team is no more than a few years away depending on the skills of the GM, owner, etc.  I think the O’s need to trade Jones and maybe one other player too.  The rebuild needs to continue.

  27. Sounds like the Diamondbacks will sign Aaron Hill.
    The Marlins re-signed Omar Infante.
    The Reds will take the option on Brandon Phillips
    Brian Roberts is done
    The Orioles are left with Andino, Blake Davis and Ryan Adams.
    There’s no one else out there, I would do everything in my power to develop Andino.
    He is the Orioles only hope and I think he can do it.

    Izzy???? No Izzy is awful another waste of money by MacPhail a million dollars for what?

    Tillman has good stuff, the problem is he throws too many pitches
    He did no-hit the Rays with the opening series and he was shutting down the red sox until his back went out and then they put Gonzalez in and that was the beginning of the end right there. The Orioles could write a book on how to blow a 7 to 0 lead. Making the impossible possible! Me liking Tillman has nothing to do with age.

    Also to all out there, if the Orioles get the right blend of free agents, I do think they could rapidly improve.  They also better find a way to trade for David Wright and they better get a competent GM! Otherwise the Oriole fans better organize something and protest!

  28. Rabbitov 4 years ago

    “There are a handful of teams out there that would love to have him as ”

    I think just about any team would love to have him as a utility guy, and thats what he is on the team. I don’t understand the argument both of you are having. 

  29. I am arguing because I think he can be more than just a ultility guy.
    Wilson Alvarez from the Phillies is just a ultility
    Andino could be more IMHO.

  30. not_brooks 4 years ago

    Here’s the argument:

    “I beleive Andino could start all year @ 2nd” – Lefty 4 hours ago

    “Look, Andino’s a nice utility guy.” – xub 1 hour ago

  31. not_brooks 4 years ago

    There’s no one else out there? We’re not allowed to trade for a second baseman? Why not?

    On Tillman: He has mediocre stuff at best. There’s a reason he has a 3.88 ERA in the minors and a 5.58 ERA in the majors. He doesn’t throw his fastball hard enough to get away with how little movement it has and his breaking stuff leaves much to be desired. His command issues are a huge issue and the big reason that he throws way too many pitches. How many times did we see Tillman make it past the fifth inning in his 13 starts in 2011? Four, by my count. And he failed to get through the fifth inning six times. Heck, even in his “no-hitter”, he threw 101 pitches in six innings, and then put up a 9.14 ERA in his next five starts. Nice.

    Talking up Tillman in your post here, you mentioned two starts. Any chump can throw two good starts out of 13. I need to see real progress to believe in a young kid as a real MLB starter. And in three seasons, Tillman hasn’t even shown a hint of progress. Sure, he still has a shot, since he is young. But at this point, he’s nothing more than a overhyped chump.

  32. not_brooks 4 years ago

    There’s no one else out there? We’re not allowed to trade for a second baseman? Why not?

    On Tillman: He has mediocre stuff at best. There’s a reason he has a 3.88 ERA in the minors and a 5.58 ERA in the majors. He doesn’t throw his fastball hard enough to get away with how little movement it has and his breaking stuff leaves much to be desired. His command issues are a huge issue and the big reason that he throws way too many pitches. How many times did we see Tillman make it past the fifth inning in his 13 starts in 2011? Four, by my count. And he failed to get through the fifth inning six times. Heck, even in his “no-hitter”, he threw 101 pitches in six innings, and then put up a 9.14 ERA in his next five starts. Nice.

    Talking up Tillman in your post here, you mentioned two starts. Any chump can throw two good starts out of 13. I need to see real progress to believe in a young kid as a real MLB starter. And in three seasons, Tillman hasn’t even shown a hint of progress. Sure, he still has a shot, since he is young. But at this point, he’s nothing more than a overhyped chump.

  33. Rabbitov 4 years ago

    nah dude, just nah

  34. Rabbitov 4 years ago

    I think at some point you got to “he’s a bottom end util guy” and I don’t agree with that either. 

  35. There’s no one else out there? We’re not allowed to trade for a second baseman? Why not? But who!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????????????? For whom would you trade?

    Plus we don’t even have a GM???

  36. not_brooks 4 years ago

    Nope. Never said that.

    I talked about how he’s way overhyped by some O’s fans, and that’s 100% true, as you can see from Lefty’s comments. But I never said he was “bottom end” anything.

    I’ll say what I said about Andino again: He’s a nice utility guy. Nothing wrong with that.

  37. not_brooks 4 years ago

    Adrian Cardenas? Eric Young? Daniel Descalso? Johnny Giavotella?

    I don’t know. A young guy who can platoon with Andino. Or maybe Mark DeRosa – an old guy who can platoon with Andino.

    Just because you don’t know of any available second basemen off the top of your head doesn’t mean there aren’t any out there.

  38. niched 4 years ago

    O’s bullpen was the best part of the team by the end of the year, after the trade with the Rangers.  The O’s are probably feeling pretty good about the pen for 2012, as long as they can kick Alfredo Simon out of the rotation into the pen (maybe Tommy Hunter too) and never let Kevin Gregg pitch again.

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