Quick Hits: Youkilis, Darvish, Angels, Selig

Links for Monday evening…

  • If the Red Sox believe that third base prospect Will Middlebrooks is ready for primetime, then Kevin Youkilis might become expendable for them. If that's the case, then the Rockies would have interest, writes Troy Renck of The Denver Post (via Twitter).
  • It might make more financial sense for Yu Darvish to wait until his contract expires in Japan to make the move to MLB, write Patrick Newman and Eno Sarris for ESPN The Magazine. However, Darvish might still push to be posted in order to chase the dream of winning a World Series.
  • Mark Saxon of ESPN Los Angeles reports that the Angels will not renew the contract of long-time pro scout Rich Schlenker. The Halos have been purging their baseball operation department since Tony Reagins resigned as GM two weeks ago, cutting loose an assistant GM, a special assistant, and their player development director in addition to Schlenker.
  • "I thought it was constructive," said commissioner Bud Selig to reporters (including Jeff Passan of Yahoo! Sports) about his meeting with prospective Astros owner Jim Crane (Twitter link). Selig wouldn't comment any further as Crane awaits approval to take control of the team.
  • Selig told Passan and other reporters that his 14-man committee voted 14-0 in favor of expanding the playoffs (Twitter links). Passan hears that Selig considers ten-team playoffs to be one of his legacy items.


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68 Comments on "Quick Hits: Youkilis, Darvish, Angels, Selig"


3 years 9 months ago

 I’ve had this feeling that Youk was on his way out. We’ll see.

$7562574
3 years 9 months ago

budt selling and 14 puppets!

Infield Fly
3 years 9 months ago

It does seem like he never met a yes-man he didn’t like (or hire).

Swarley
3 years 9 months ago

While Youk’s days in a Sox uni are numbered, the organization does not think Middlebrooks is ready yet. They want him to get a full season in at triple-a before he comes to Boston.

dc21892
3 years 9 months ago

Doesn’t make sense for Youk to be moved.

StanleyHudson
3 years 9 months ago

As a Sox fan, I’m all for bringing more homegrown talent to the big club but the last thing I’d want the Sox to do is rush a guy like Middlebrooks. He’s got the tools to be a special player, don’t bring him up until he’s ready.

3 years 9 months ago

Youk to the Tribe? Doesn’t sound too far off. We need a RH Hitter. Maybe trade Chiz Kid somewhere.

Dynasty22
3 years 9 months ago

You shouldn’t let 1 season mortgage your future..

Hermie13
3 years 9 months ago

I actually think the Indians do make a lot of sense for Youk if he were to be moved.  Not sure they have the firepower to get him as trading Chiz only opens one hole for another (Youk would play 1B, leaving 3B open possibly).

Red Sox did show interest in Carmona at the deadline.  No way is he close to enough for Youk or the type of pitcher I’m assuming they’d want but could be a piece.  Not sure the Tribe can afford to part with ML pitching but the FO has shown they are willign to make moves after the Ubaldo deal.

Red Sox also showed interest in bringing back Masterson this past winter…..now that could be an interesting deal.  Really hurts the Tribe rotation so I say no way but would the Sox bite on Masterson for Youk? Or better yet, would the Tribe? (I doubt it)

Huge Masterson fan (and Tribe fan) and say no thanks on that…but as a baseball fan think it’s interesting…

If Grady were to come back (HUGE ‘if’ I know) but a lineup with Grady, Kipnis, Asdrubal, a healthy Choo, Santana, Youk, Hafner, and Chiz could make some noise.  Again though…at what cost though is it worth the upgrade….

0bsessions
3 years 9 months ago

From a Sox perspective, I wouldn’t give up Youk for Masterson straight up. I like Masterson and I always did, but he’d get eaten alive returning to the AL East considering he STILL hasn’t figured out how to get lefties out on a consistent basis. Out here, he’d be back in the bullpen.

notsureifsrs
3 years 9 months ago

people underrate youkilis pretty consistently. i’m guilty of it myself

the most productive hitters in baseball from 2008-2011:

bautista – 174 (2 years)
pujols – 170
cabrera – 154
votto – 152
braun – 148
holliday – 147
fielder – 146
gonzalez – 146
youkilis – 144
berkman – 144
mauer – 138
rodriguez – 137
teixeira – 136

he’s had trouble staying on the field the last 2 years and his best years may be behind him. but in those past 2 years, he’s still produced a 141 wRC+. when healthy he’s a tremendous hitter and i wouldn’t be eager to deal him

NomarGarciaparra
3 years 9 months ago

I’m too lazy to look this up, but I believe in the past few years, he’s top 3 of something in OPS (cumulative and obviously excluding 2011).

MaineSox
3 years 9 months ago

’08-’10 he was #2 overall, also #2 in wOBA over that period (add in this year and he’s still 5th in OPS and 4th in wOBA).

NomarGarciaparra
3 years 9 months ago

And there you have it folks!

0bsessions
3 years 9 months ago

Kevin Youkilis is criminally underrated. Constantly.

Of course, people were finally starting to come around to him this season (Though still underrating him, he was one of the top third baseman in the MLB going into like June, but he still wasn’t getting that huge recognition as an elite position player he deserves). Then his OPS went down from the previous year for pretty much the first time ever and suddenly everyone’s immensely undervaluing him again.

$7562574
3 years 9 months ago

no matter how many corrupt or stupid things sellig trys to devise, his legacy is steroid.

Rabbitov
3 years 9 months ago

tricksy sellig, corrupts is he, always try to devise. my precious. 

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start_wearing_purple
3 years 9 months ago

And the really sad part is he’ll get into the HOF. Thus changing my beliefs from the name should be changed from Hall of Hey They Were Pretty Good to Hall of We Probably Should Put This Person In.

3 years 9 months ago

To be honest, I am more interested in the whole 10 team play-off thing. That is ridiculous! It will allow players and OWNERS to get lazy and more cause for injured players even because playoff stress will mean more usage of high priced arms. and not have to spend to contend! Owners are bad enough with the whole small market stuff. They seriously pocket all the money and they don’t invest. This will give them more of a reason to hold back and not invest. I would prefer a solid salary cap like the NFL has. Baseball is getting out of control and losing fans rapidly due to the consistent and horrible marketing ideas set forth by the worst commissioner ever.

$7562574
3 years 9 months ago

hallelujah!

Infield Fly
3 years 9 months ago

I am more interested in the whole 10 team play-off thing. That is ridiculous!

But look on the ‘bright’ side: now folks in the U.S. will be able to watch baseball at Thanksgiving […Christmas…New Years…] :p

3 years 9 months ago

Gotta love “losing fans rapidly” with no actual evidence to support it.  They keep setting attendance and revenue records.  I don’t think the sport is in any trouble.

Casor_Greener
3 years 9 months ago

Attendance just went up for the first time in like 3 years…

Guest
3 years 9 months ago

didnt it rise from a record high, though? i remember hearing that somewhere, but i could very well be wrong.

Casor_Greener
3 years 9 months ago

Record high was in 07, declined since then until this year.

Before 07 it was rising for 3 years.

Guest
3 years 9 months ago

 gotcha.

bobbybaseball
3 years 9 months ago

The “dream of winning the World Series”? Right, how about the dream of making $15 million per?

3 years 9 months ago

Except he wouldn’t make that much money as a posted player.  At most he likely gets $10M per, and that’s not really a lot more than he’s already making in Japan.

missyae
3 years 9 months ago

Youk, Lackey, Bard, and Reddick for Bay and Wright

Lunchbox45
3 years 9 months ago

 i’d do it if I were the mets if they paid for lackey

0bsessions
3 years 9 months ago

If we were taking on Bay’s equally preposterous contract, I wouldn’t give up a dime on Lackey’s contract.

Lackey for Bay straight up is a standard bad for bad swap (And honestly, Lackey could probably perform pretty well in that park). Bay is actually MORE expensive than Lackey through the life of their contracts (Though whose is a bigger albatros is dependent upon whether Bay is a club or player option, of which I’m unsure).

Then the remainder, well, I wouldn’t give up Youk for Wright straight up, much less while including one of the game’s best relievers (Late season collapse aside) and a promising position player. Youkilis and Wright are signed for the exact same timeframe, except Youk is a good bit cheaper, has similar defensive numbers, has a very similar injury history of late AND is a better hitter who can play two positions compared to Wright’s one.

I’d take that deal without even a second’s hesitation if I were the Mets. You’re upgrading at third, getting out from under Bay’s deal, adding an elite reliever and a decent potential option for your outfield and Lackey’s a big bounceback candidate in Citi Field (And honestly, 215 innings of 4.50 ERA ball is enough to justify him being around, even at an overpaid rate). That proposed deal is absolutely awful for the Sox.

slider32
3 years 9 months ago

The Sox will look to sign some pitchers to be on top next year, I wouldn’t touch the offense it led the league in runs this year.

Cyyoung
3 years 9 months ago

Lets see he had .299 BA with RISP, 62 rbis, 134 AB’S, .339 avg. 2 outs with RISP. You dont think it hurt the Sox in Sept. he was out of the line-up? His avg. was much higher with RISP,before injury, was probably biggest loss down the stretch. I wouldn’t move him.

0bsessions
3 years 9 months ago

The point wasn’t that Youkilis was somehow ineffective, the point was that you could probably have inserted Ted Williams into that lineup in his place and the Sox still wouldn’t have made the playoffs. Our biggest problem was that our pitching absolutely imploded for the month of September.

The absolute BIGGEST loss we faced was Clay Buchholz by a mile. Not only because we were down a starter, but because being down a starter resulted in the bullpen being used even more, which resulted in guys like Albers and Bard collapsing in September. The few strong starting performances we got were undone by multiple bullpen implosions (Bard single handedly cost us like three or four games in the last month of the season).

Cyyoung
3 years 9 months ago

Agree 100% the Sox still had Lester and Beckett, but a guy that hit .320 at Fenway this season was a big loss too. This is about moving Youk, and all Im saying is I wouldn’t.

0bsessions
3 years 9 months ago

I’m not arguing that he should be moved, I’ve made that position clear. What I’m arguing is this:

“You dont think it hurt the Sox in Sept. he was out of the line-up? His avg. was much higher with RISP,before injury, was probably biggest loss down the stretch”

Yeah, losing him hurt, but he was far from our biggest loss. With or without him, we were still scoring runs in bunches. The problem was pitching.

As for that .320 figure, all well and good, but you have to take the converse with it: a .320 BA with his final numbers means he hit an absolutely terrible .191 on the road this season. His OPS outside of Fenway dropped over .300 points (He had an exceptionally ugly .667 road OPS)and that’s an abysmal split. I love Youk, but that’s the same thing I’ve been riding Teixeira for as overrated on for like three years running now. Great home numbers are neat and all, but if you’re hitting like garbage for the other 81 games, your value is significantly diminished. Considering how much time they spent on the road in September, if he was sticking with those numbers, he wouldn’t have made a difference.

3 years 9 months ago

I really think we can match up well with Colorado, plus we dont have to see him in the AL.
Bettis,Nolan, and Pomeranz for Youkilis would work to give Sox youth in the upper levels in pitching.

0bsessions
3 years 9 months ago

The issue is, we need SOME depth, but quality depth at the high minors is not what we need at the moment unless we can somehow move Lackey. 1-4 is pretty much locked in as Lester, Beckett, Buchholz and Lackey for the next few years at least. We could definitely use a competent fifth starter and Bedard may fill that role. Past that, we’ve got Weiland and Miller developing in the minors and Aceves available for the fifth role if necessary.

Too much depth added to the high minors and we’ve suddenly got those guys blocked. I’d love to have some more depth,l but two of those three guys could very realistically be wasted here. IF we were to trade Youkilis for prospects, we’d want guys for the middle levels, AA guys with extremely high upside.

notsureifsrs
3 years 9 months ago

love youk long time, but if colorado dangled a sexy enough package of pitching prospects, i’d do it and bring ortiz back to DH

that seems completely unlikely however given colorado’s need for pitching right now, and i wouldn’t actively shop youkilis elsewhere

GoinCoastal
3 years 9 months ago

Hmm. I wonder at the possibility of a three way involving the Reds, Red Sox and a third team. Move Youk to Cincy to play 1B and save the wear and tear on his body at a decent contract (plus coming home) plus prospects, Votto to that third team (Jays, TB, etc.) and OF/SP help tp Boston. I think the right combo of prospects and matching OF/SP pieces from that third team could make it an interesting and viable possibility. Who knows… it’s fun to guess, though.

MaineSox
3 years 9 months ago

I don’t see it.  The reason the Reds would move Votto is a) to play Alonso at 1B and b) to save money, and Youk is only about 1mil cheaper than Votto (assuming they pick up his option in ’13).

0bsessions
3 years 9 months ago

Not to mention the fact I doubt the Sox have much interest in helping the Blue Jays acquire a guy like Votto. We may as well just send them Youk with a note saying “there’s not enough competition in this division, enjoy with our compliments.”

3 years 9 months ago

Yes we need a 5th starter. Whether we go after Bedard, Capuano, Harang, Juroda or whomever. You are missing the point here. We have WMB ready but maybe he will play until June or July in AAA Youkilis is my favorite player but taking emotions out of this and being practical, the 3B market is horrid this offseason and we have a guy with a small injury track record but also a proven numbers track. I probably sold short on Youkilis but with Arenado, Pomeranz and Bettis that is a good sample of what is available.. We trade out Youkilis for Starting Pitching Depth. We give Bettis and Pomeranz a year more to develop. We dont have someone like Pomer in our system, as you can see by the struggles of Britton and from RHP side Ranaudo and Weiland. Weiland is only going to be a BP arm similar to the way Bowden was. Every scout from Gammons to Edes said the same thing.

3 years 9 months ago

Bud Selig’s legacy will be his love of money and his complete disregard for fans of the game (save one kid from Chicago that got interviewed after an All Star Game ended in a tie).

Hoosierdaddy92
3 years 9 months ago

If they are this concerned about Youk, they should just offer Ortiz arbitration but not resign him, and just move Youk to DH/3b platoon with Middlebrooks in an effort to keep him healthy. Ortiz will most likely latch on with a lower level AL team considering most contenders (Tigers, Yanks, Rangers, Rays) are set at DH. This would mean that Boston is likely to get the draft picks of a team with a good draft position this year, making Papi a bit more valuable if he’s gone.

They can then use the payroll space made from Ortiz and Drew to bring in 1-2 high end starters like Wilson and Darvish, depending on if the find a way to trade Lackey. Adding Wilson and Darvish to Lester, Bucholz and Beckett would make their rotation extremely fearsome.

SixAces
3 years 9 months ago

While you’re at it, you can lure Halladay from the Phillies with a bag of cheese doodles!

SixAces
3 years 9 months ago

While you’re at it, you can lure Halladay from the Phillies with a bag of cheese doodles!

Tommy L
3 years 9 months ago

Check out my take on the Red Sox at http://thebestsoxblog.mlblogs.com

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start_wearing_purple
3 years 9 months ago

I never would have guessed a guy with NY in his screen name wasn’t a Red Sox fans…

To be fair the collapse was less about losing Youk and more about the entire team forgetting that it was September and not November. As for trading Youk, I agree it’s a bad idea. I’m kinda hoping they manage a way to keep Ortiz one more year and then move Youk to DH if they think Middlebrooks can take over. Youk is a pure gamer, the kind of guy who thrives in a place like Boston.

0bsessions
3 years 9 months ago

Youkilis likely isn’t going anywhere. If anything, Middlebrooks’ development has more to do with Ortiz than anything. If Middlebrooks looks capable of stepping in soon, there’s no reason to retain Ortiz. Ortiz is the better hitter, but Youkilis is the more valuable player. As our primary DH, he’d be capable of backing up first and third competently whereas Ortiz can’t really play any position.

BoSoxSam
3 years 9 months ago

I disagree that Youkilis played a big role in their collapse. It was pretty clearly the pitching. Yes, the offense had it’s off-days, but that happens when you’re working out of a 3-4 run hole nearly every night. In September we still had one of the best offenses around.

If Youkilis moving was a way for Boston to bring in some solid starting pitching, I’d be okay with it. I worry that losing Youkilis would be detrimental to the clubhouse, but I don’t feel that it would destroy the lineup. If they felt that Middlebrooks could at least survive in the big leagues for 2012, they have the offensive strength to give him a shot. Especially with Youkilis not being healthy for big parts of the last two years, they may be worried about that going forward, especially at third. He might be happy to move somewhere he could play first, too.

NomarGarciaparra
3 years 9 months ago

Thank you! Finally some honest and non-biased discussion going on.

I totally agree with you btw.

JoeSeadog
3 years 9 months ago

I’ve always been a Youkilis fan,despite the fact I’m a Yankee supporter, he just seems to play the game right, good and hard. Now, more than one of my Red Sawks friends are bemoaning the fact he won’t play hurt and that his end of season swoon was little more than fear of playing hurt. Boston media has, more than once, worked in concert with Bosox management to blow the reputation of player they wanted to move to cut future trade or re-signing failure back lash (Vaughn, Garciaparra, Boggs). I just wonder if that’s happening again here. I mean, I had Red Sox fans telling me that “at least A-Rod was playing” when I complained of his desultory playoff run this year. (He did look like A-rod in the field but was completely aimless at the plate.) What would cause these fans to support A-rod and spit fire at Kevin?

JoeSeadog
3 years 9 months ago

I’ve always been a Youkilis fan,despite the fact I’m a Yankee supporter, he just seems to play the game right, good and hard. Now, more than one of my Red Sawks friends are bemoaning the fact he won’t play hurt and that his end of season swoon was little more than fear of playing hurt. Boston media has, more than once, worked in concert with Bosox management to blow the reputation of player they wanted to move to cut future trade or re-signing failure back lash (Vaughn, Garciaparra, Boggs). I just wonder if that’s happening again here. I mean, I had Red Sox fans telling me that “at least A-Rod was playing” when I complained of his desultory playoff run this year. (He did look like A-rod in the field but was completely aimless at the plate.) What would cause these fans to support A-rod and spit fire at Kevin?

$7562574
3 years 9 months ago

the first thing they need to do is firing stoneman.

notsureifsrs
3 years 9 months ago

“I’d be willing to give up, say Chatwood”

i bet you would

MaineSox
3 years 9 months ago

From 2007 through 2010 (his last year at 1B) Youkilis was as valuable as any 1st baseman not named Albert.  You don’t trade that for Andrew Miller redux.

MaineSox
3 years 9 months ago

Eh, maybe the package of Santana and Chatwood, depending on who the prospect(s) were.

But look at it this way: Youkilis has been one of the best hitters in the game since ’08 (and is one of the best defensive 1st basemen) and is only owed $25M over the next two years.  Based on production and contract he is about equal to Votto, now you have to take into account that Youkilis is older than Votto and hasn’t been as durable the last couple of years, so he clearly doesn’t have as much trade value as Votto. 

But is the difference between the two great enough that Youkilis alone wouldn’t be worth a mid-rotation starter and a pitching prospect who was rushed to the majors (a group that doesn’t have a good track record), particularly when you figure in the fact that Youkilis could also be a 3rd baseman (something none of the other top 1st basemen can say)?  For what it’s worth Dave Cameron had Youkilis in the top 30 on his most recent trade value list.

SouthPawRyno
3 years 9 months ago

Santana and Chatwood for Youk and Middlebooks. sounds about right.

johnsilver
3 years 9 months ago

Agreed. I really, really hope that they play it smart and keep Youk around for several more years. this guy has Dwight Evans bat with the Glove of Petrocelli and is far more valuable than Rico ever was.

It almost seems like the management under values youk at times, like when he was a prospect, same with Boggs under the prior ownership and Gorman. Maybe time to sit back and take advantage of what they have in this case, rather than smell the hype of a kid they really don’t know if will help and honestly has not been spectacular in the minors overall and not knocking on Will, he has had problems other than his glove.

0bsessions
3 years 9 months ago

Youkilis’ health concerns the last few years is just another reason I’d love to see him moved to DH. Stick him there and not only do you have him available to back up Middlebrooks and Gonzalez when necessary (Gonzo could take “off-days” DH’ing and we’d have no discernable drop in defense), but you also preserve Youkilis’ health by keeping him off the field.

The only issue I’d foresee is that Youkilis seems like the type who’d get angry about moving to a role like that.

0bsessions
3 years 9 months ago

There hasn’t been any media attacking of Youkilis, this is all just the usual “in the fanbase’s head” whining. It’s the same thing with Drew where people were basically whining about injuries while the Sox media machine was silent. It’s really not looking like a case of the brass trying to run him out.

In point of fact, I’ve seen more action defending Youkilis than anything. There was a lot of recent hand-wringing about Youkilis’ statements about Ellsbury’s rehabbing in Arizona in 2010 compared to his performance this season. The Globe actually ran a lengthy article recently defending Youkilis.

0bsessions
3 years 9 months ago

I wouldn’t touch that trade with a ten foot pole.

MaineSox
3 years 9 months ago

No it doesn’t.

Not only is it very lopsided, but it would make absolutely zero sense for Boston to do that.

Casor_Greener
3 years 9 months ago

According to the popularity of football, apparently it is…

BoSoxSam
3 years 9 months ago

I would have a really, really hard time dropping Ortiz right now, after the last two years he’s had. Even at DH I would be worried about Youk’s health compared to Ortiz, as it’s clear who’s healthier.

What I would like to do would give Ortiz a one-year deal, keep Youk at third for 2012 to give Middlebrooks more time, and then NEXT year say goodbye to Ortiz (which will still sting), assuming Youk is okay moving to DH, and slot Middlebrooks over at third once he’s proven himself in AAA.

However I agree, I don’t see Youk taking too kindly to moving off the field, which is why I think a trade for Youk, maybe next year after he’s bounced back, wouldn’t be out of the question. He wouldn’t mind moving to the NL and play first base for someone like the Rockies, I’m sure.

SouthPawRyno
3 years 9 months ago

Sorry, the sarcasm wasn’t evident enough for you to comprehend. The whole reason Youkilis would be traded, would be to open up room for Middlebrooks.

MaineSox
3 years 9 months ago

I thought I heard a whoosh when I typed that…