Padres Acquire Carlos Quentin

The Padres have acquired Carlos Quentin from the White Sox for pitching prospects Simon Castro and Pedro Hernandez, the teams announced.  It's the second time Padres GM Josh Byrnes and White Sox GM Kenny Williams have gotten together for a trade involving Quentin; Byrnes was the Diamondbacks GM when the outfielder was traded from Arizona to the ChiSox in 2007. 

Quentin, 29, grew up in San Diego and will instantly add some power to the offensively challenged Padres' lineup.  The right-hander hitter produced a .254/.340/.499 batting line with 24 homers in 2011, and he's hit .257/.352/.505 with at least 21 homers per year from '08-'11.

13076543During his time in Chicago, the outfielder has battled shoulder, foot, hamstring, and wrist problems, requiring four separate stints on the disabled list.  We project him to earn $7.5MM his third time through arbitration in 2012 before becoming a free agent after the season.  On the surface, the deal appears to be a cost-cutting measure for the White Sox.

Castro, a 23-year-old right-hander, was ranked as the Padres third best prospect at this time last year by Baseball America but was left off of this year's top ten list.  In 2009, Castro was tabbed as the best pitcher in the Padres system after turning in a 3.33 ERA with 10.1 K/9 and 2.4 BB/9 for the club's Single-A affiliate.  The 6-foot-5 hurler started off 2011 with Double-A San Antonio before being promoted to Triple-A Tucson.  Combined, Castro posted a 5.63 ERA with 7.4 K/9 and 2.7 BB/9 in 2011. 

Hernandez, 22, was also left off of Baseball America's top ten list of Padres prospects in 2011.  The left-hander worked his way up from Class-A+ Lake Elsinore to San Antonio and finished the year in Tuscon.  In total, Hernandez turned in 116 innings of work with a 3.49 ERA, 7.3 K/9 and 1.7 BB/9.

Neither prospect was ranked among the top 25 in San Diego's system by John Sickels of Minor League Ball while Kevin Goldstein of Baseball Prospectus had Castro tabbed at No. 20.  Goldstein writes that Castro has "gone backwards from [his] big prospect days" and cites the fastball as his only dependable pitch.

The first time Josh Byrnes and Ken Williams hooked up in a trade involving Quentin, the outfielder was sent to the White Sox for first baseman Chris Carter.

Zach Links contributed to this post.


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426 Comments on "Padres Acquire Carlos Quentin"


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coolstorybro222
3 years 6 months ago

Ok, I’ve build a time machine and jumped to the deadline when the padres are in last place and will trade him for propsects.

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jpkinney7
3 years 6 months ago

Little Known Fact:  Carlos Quentin brings a brick with him every time he steps into the OF.  The only way this makes sense is if CQ is dealt w/ Rizzo to acquire more prospects

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jpkinney7
3 years 6 months ago

Little Known Fact:  Carlos Quentin brings a brick with him every time he steps into the OF.  The only way this makes sense is if CQ is dealt w/ Rizzo to acquire more prospects

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Mario Saavedra
3 years 6 months ago

As a padre fan, I hate this trade. 2012 is a rebuilding year, let the young guys play, don’t trade them for 1 year deals for Christ sake…

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anthony88
3 years 6 months ago

I’m not a padre fan but I think he can help the young players in their development. besides I wish my team the orioles would sign such a player. the only player we have that gets close is endy chavez who is btw so-so 

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3 years 6 months ago

Have you ever been to a game in Tucson?

Did you see Castro play in 2nd half for SA? He was lights out the last two months. Slider was biting and FB was consistently in mid 90s.

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3 years 6 months ago

Have you been to Tucson and watched a game?

Did you see Castro pitch in last two months of 2011?

He was lights out in last two months.

Member
3 years 6 months ago

Padres have 4-5 guys better and cheaper in their system. (Used to have 6) No thanks.

But wouldnt put it past Byrnes after last trade he made.

Member
3 years 6 months ago

Davis is not an ace either. A #4 in Padres staff today.

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eck78
3 years 6 months ago

Its amazes me people keep saying the Sox could of gotten more. So to all the internet GMs, what better package was out there the Sox could of gotten for Carlos? The market for CQ wasnt there. He’s a good player with flaws.

Guest
3 years 6 months ago

The Sox could have gotten more if they traded him last year before the deadline. You know…when he actually had some value

But that’s why Kenny Williams is Kenny Williams

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eck78
3 years 6 months ago

tell me the package.

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Khabibulan
3 years 6 months ago

Who else with the Sox ship out?
OF looks like Rios, De Aza, Viciedo (could be decent if Rios rebounds)
IF is Konerko, Beckham, Alexei, Morel, AJ…also okay.
 Could see Beckham being dealt, but if I was KW I would give him another year to see what happenns. I’d like to see Flowers get some more dish time.
DH is Dunn…can’t be any worse, so hopefully he actually trains in the offseason now.
SP: Danks, Floyd, Peavy, Sale, Humber…bleh. I like Danks, Floyd is too random, Peavy is too broken, Humber is fine for a #5, and Sale is unproven.
Bullpen: Closer: Thornton (not again)…or Reed (why not)?, Crain, Ohman, Frasor, Alexrod, Stewart. Not bad, just need someone to close.
So I think this is a .500 team, +/- 8 wins. Lightning in a bottle type season gives them a shot to win the central, but that would require Rios and Dunn to bounce back huge, Beckhams bat to wake up, Viciedo to bring power, Peavy to stay mostly healthy, Sale to flash some brilliance, and the Sox to find a closer.
too many things need to break right for a post-season, and if Tigers land Garza, fuggetaboutit.
I hope KW is very active at the deadline if the Sox aren’t leading the central. Rebuild! Don’t become the Mets!

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mgsports
3 years 6 months ago

Know Clark/Blanks or Rizzo or Alonso will be Traded.

Guest
3 years 6 months ago

Hey, maybe this opens up Kyle Blanks to be traded? His stock is pretty low right now, but I’d love to see him in Atlanta and San Diego could really use some rotation help(their home/road splits are disturbing.) He’d fit right in to LF and let us UT or trade Prado.

Nonetheless, I’m liking the Pads competitive spirit. Very nice to see a poor team actually making an effort to improve through wise trades instead of giant free agent signings. This lineup does not look nearly as bad as people make it out to.

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Amish_willy
3 years 6 months ago

What kind of arm would you suggest for Blanks?

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Drew Tweedie
3 years 6 months ago

Potentially it does, although I hope they let him audition for one more season at least. San Diego probably wouldn’t be searching for rotation help, they’d much prefer to bolster the middle infield. 

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Wrek305
3 years 6 months ago

Proven player and white sox got nothing good back. Another questionable move for Kenny Williams. Regardless of rebuild mode or not. He could’ve got something better out for Quentin.

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johnsmith4
3 years 6 months ago

This trade does make more sense when you factor in White Sox recently hired Blue Jays Director of Latin American scouting to assist Ken Williams.  Ken Williams must have targeted these two players based on his new scouting intel similar in the way he targeted Nestor Molina.

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Guest
3 years 6 months ago

What the padre lineup SHOULD be not necessarily gonna happen:
1. CF- Cameron Maybin
2. 3B- Chase Headley
3. LF- Yonder Alonso
4. RF- Carlos Quentin
5. 2B- Jesus Guzman
6. 1B- Anthony Rizzo
7. C-  Nick Hundley
8. SS- Jason Bartlett

This gets as many good bats in the lineup as possible.  1-7 could be great!
I know they said Quentin would be in left but he is used to right and isnt as bad as people say fielding.  Hudson must go and Guzman must be in the lineup.  He has played some 2B, he could work to be passable.  Quentin and Headley and Bartlett could go at the deadline, with Gyorko and Cumberland best case replacing in the infield.  Still have Blanks on the bench

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3 years 6 months ago

Quentin has been THE very worst defensive outfielder in baseball over the past 3 years in UZR, UZR/150, DRS and 3 other metrics along with have a bb gun for an arm and slow feet.

How bad are people saying he is if he is worse than that?

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rizdak
3 years 6 months ago

Lol how is Guzman going to play 2B? He can barely play 1B. Try again.

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rootman1010
3 years 6 months ago

I think it’s much more likely to be this:

1. Bartlett ss
2. Hudson 2b
3. Maybin cf
4. Quentin rf
5. Alonso 1b
6. Headley 3b
7. Venable lf
8. Hundley c

Guzman will still get plenty of time at first and in left. Denorfia will also get a lot of time off the bench. Rizzo will be traded and Blanks will be at triple-A if he still has options left.

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3 years 6 months ago

Headley will hit 3rd or 5th. Alonso will hit 6th. Venable likely will not start. Blanks will probably platoon with Venable and get the lions share of starts.

Guest
3 years 6 months ago

Bartlett doesn’t lead off.

For now, it’s Maybin, until we can find a real lead-off hitter.

1. Maybin2. Hudson/ Bartlett
3. Guzman/ Headley
4. Quentin
5. Alonso
6. Hundley
7. Venable
8. Bartlett/ HudsonBut that’s just my idea.

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Ohhhplease
3 years 6 months ago

I am not sure it’s would be “great”, but it’s serviceable……Sounds like no-one wants Hudson….which I understand….as a Pads fan I would be content with this, but doubt it would happen.  Hudson will play 2nd, Blanks will be in AAA and Guzman will play all over…..

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ZoinksScoob
3 years 6 months ago

So as of right now, the White Sox OF is Alejandro De Aza, Alex Rios and Dayan Viciedo, with Brent Lillibridge and (gulp) Adam Dunn as the backups. No help on the way from the farm on that front for a year or two at least. KW either has another deal in the works, or this “we are not rebuilding” stuff is a big smokescreen.

As for SD, with Quentin in LF and Maybin in right, they have a glut of OF (or OF types) for RF:  Will Venable, Chris Denorfia, Kyle Blanks and Mark Kotsay. At this point, the Pads need Venable in the leadoff spot, so I see them trading Blanks away to someone who wants to use him as a 1B/DH (his best positions), with Denorfia and Kotsay as the backup OF’s.

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3 years 6 months ago

I am sure we will see a Jordan Danks appearance at some point this year as well.

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Ohhhplease
3 years 6 months ago

Maybin is a CFer……and a very good one.  Maybin will lead off, stole 40 bags last year.

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roberty
3 years 6 months ago

Quentin just lost $5 in fantasy value.

Guest
3 years 6 months ago

Riiiiight

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Khabibulan
3 years 6 months ago

I think Kenny Williams is schizophrenic.

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joeybw
3 years 6 months ago

Hearing Rizzo for Davis is imminent, will keep you updated.

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Rangersfan32
3 years 6 months ago

Terrible deal for the Padres. They’re going to give up a top prospect, who was the key to the AGon trade, for a #5 starter?

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Ohhhplease
3 years 6 months ago

Hearing from whom?  Quote a source, other than the voice in your head.

Guest
3 years 6 months ago

. . . Also says other doors are now open with the freed up money.

Guest
3 years 6 months ago

Per Joe Cowley: KW says they have seen the mechanics on Castro that have hurt him,
identified how to fix him, and will go forward with his development

Member
3 years 6 months ago

Package him and Rizzo to SD for young talent. Sweetens the deal a little… I am sure I will be seeing CQ play in the cell this year at some point again.

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Ohhhplease
3 years 6 months ago

Huh?????

Member
3 years 6 months ago

Oh, oops. I meant to TB* Probably essential to have that reinserted in there.

Guest
3 years 6 months ago

Well, look at the overall value that was determining for this trade. 2 good prospects for a good player (Quentin) who is in his final year of his contract. This is a good deal for the padres if they can lock him up for under 10 million. I think he hits the open market next year though. Not a bad deal for the Sox. Decent!

Guest
3 years 6 months ago

If Chicago finally admits that they are rebuilding, they need to fire Kenny Williams.

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algionfriddo
3 years 6 months ago

Maybe flip Bartlett & Quentin to the Braves for JJ?

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Brv Rocks
3 years 6 months ago

As a Braves fan I would do that trade.

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Ohhhplease
3 years 6 months ago

Pads will keep Quentin, hope t hat he posts enough numbers and stays healthy enough to be a Type B (at least) free agent.  Braves don’t need Rizzo, Pads need 2b/ss…..doubt Braves are willing to give up Pastornicky.

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bravesdude
3 years 6 months ago

“Pads need 2b/ss”

So how about Prado+Diaz for Quentin and Bartlett ?

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Brv Rocks
3 years 6 months ago

That would be a HORRIBLE trade for the Braves.  I would rather give up JJ for Quentin/Bartlett than Prado.  With two injury prone players like Quentin and Chipper in the lineup, Prado would be even more valuable.

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Beersy
3 years 6 months ago

Only if JJ and Rizzo could bring back a haul, which they probably could.

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GasLampGuru
3 years 6 months ago

Headley projects better as a #2 hitter for the Padres due to his limited power.  He hits line drives all over the field and runs well, attributes you need in a #2 hitter.  Hitting him 3rd or 5th is an exercise in frustration because he’s by no means a run producer.

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3 years 6 months ago

Actually he projects as a number 3 hitter because of his high batting average and good doubles power. And take a look at his numbers with men on base.
.338/ .410/ .500/ .910 is pretty darn good.

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GasLampGuru
3 years 6 months ago

It’s a moot point, you can bet Alonso will be hitting 3rd when they break camp.  I actually think Headley would be more comfortable hitting 2nd than 3-5 because he seems to press with RISP.

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GasLampGuru
3 years 6 months ago

PetCo is tiny from foul line to foul line, and the gaps are enormous.  Also, it’s not the wind that is the problem.  It’s the extremely dense coastal air that knocks balls down.

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rootman1010
3 years 6 months ago

How about this trade:

SD gets:
– Reid Brignac SS/2B
– Wade Davis SP

TB:
– Anthony Rizzo 1B
– Kyle Blanks 1B/OF

Davis would help the Padres’ rotation after trading Latos and LeBlanc while Brignac would get a change of scenery and become the Padres’ top backup to Bartlett and Hudson.

Rizzo could take over at first base for the Rays while Blanks could become the team’s main DH.

I think it makes sense for both teams.

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Ohhhplease
3 years 6 months ago

If you change Brignac for Hak Ju Lee then I think they would talk.  Pads have Brignac in Andy Parrino, they need a full-time, long term shortstop.

 

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Beersy
3 years 6 months ago

I don’t see Byrnes making that deal.  Rizzo still has a ton of upside and to be honest Blanks would/could be a very good DH, Davis and Brignac don’t have as much upside together as Rizzo does.  If the Rays want Rizzo it should cost them Lee or they need to get another team involved IMO.

Guest
3 years 6 months ago

How about this trade… How about No!
You want the Padres compiling stinky shortstops from The Rays?

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Daniel Han
3 years 6 months ago

they are not ranked because padres farm system is stacked

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Amish_willy
3 years 6 months ago

Exactly, where as the Orioles take a rule-5 guy in Faherty and he becomes a top 10 prospect for them, the Padres have legit talent 40-50 players deep.

Castro turning into a dynamic reliever for the Sox is within reason. Hernandez is probably more of a 6th inning guy, but he had a very nice year in 2011.

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Daniel Han
3 years 6 months ago

they are not ranked because padres farm system is stacked

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3 years 6 months ago

Yeah yeah, all the naysayers are right & Kenny Williams is wrong again.  Happens everytime he makes a move, or doesn’t.  Over the course of his career as GM much more good has happened free agent & trade-wise, and the Sox won a World Series.  I think sometimes Kenny overthinks himself, ala, trading for Thome, trading Gio Gonzalez the second time, the Edwin Jackson/Danny Hudson trade, and the Peavy trade sucked for both sides, and of course Dunn.  But I see all of these moves as being ones made to put an aging team back on top just one last time, and it flopped.  Pretty much every year the White Sox have had a shot, unlike our crosstown pals, the Cubs.  Though it has only worked out once, I think making the effort is much better than pretending.  I can respect Kenny for that even though it has made for some poor baseball.  I love Quentin, my kid is currently running around the house in his Quentin t-shirt, but he’s a dead end.  If there was any chance of a guy like Beachy or the like being available for Quentin, then it would’ve been done.  I like what the Sox got back, Don Cooper works wonders with these kinds of pitchers.  Just watch.  I wish Carlos the best, but his bird has flown.

Guest
3 years 6 months ago

Yep, no ones ever happy. Kenny is a great GM and is better with trading for the younger players anyways and  lower salaries.

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WillieWildkat
3 years 6 months ago

Yeah Kenny is more dangerous when he’s forced to economize. He’s a failure when he tries to be Theo Epstein and throw other people’s money around. 

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ChiCitySox
3 years 6 months ago

I can most definitely respect what Kenny has brought to the Sox during his tenure. It is not Kenny’s fault that Dunn forgot his bat last season. It’s not Kenny’s fault that Rios seemingly has no heart. It’s not Kenny’s fault that Peavy’s arm essentially fell off his shoulder and who knows if he’ll ever have sustained success again. Each of these players were exciting acquisitions for most fans at the time they took place, and nobody predicts the future. You have to wonder about the Daniel Hudson and Gio Gonzalez moves, and don’t forget about Chris Young. I agree it was best to let Carlos go, and Santos for that matter. But I would’ve liked to see more talent in return, especially for Quentin.

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3 years 6 months ago

Quentin is injury prone, a bad defensive player and an extremely streaky hitter.  He’s also 1 yr from free agency.  Viciedo will be the better player going forward.  I think this is a pretty good return for the White Sox

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ChiCitySox
3 years 6 months ago

If I were Kenny Williams, I’d probably refrain from doing business with the Padres from now on. That’s two strikes. Then again, maybe Carlos will go to San Diego and pull a Jake Peavy.

Guest
3 years 6 months ago

No one can pull a Jake Peavy. Quentin is only making 5.5 million dollars this year. Peavey is making like 17 million. Bad comparison.

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WillieWildkat
3 years 6 months ago

Kenny swung and missed due to Peavy’s health, but the idea was to get a #1 type who could go head-to-head with other aces in the playoffs.  He can be a bit of a meathead, but I like his confidence if he ever stays healthy. Buerhle was never an ace, durable, but really a middle of the rotation guy. 

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Joey Doughnuts
3 years 6 months ago

Quentin will make more around $7-8M.

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ChiCitySox
3 years 6 months ago

Sure they can. See Adam Dunn and Alex Rios, for starters.

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Joey Doughnuts
3 years 6 months ago

Yeah, he probably loses sleep over not having Clayton Richard, Aaron Poreda, Dexter Carter, and Adam Russell…….Peavy might have been a straight waiver-claim, because those guys are nothing.

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ChiCitySox
3 years 6 months ago

Yeah but for the money, Jake has been a major bust no matter how you look at it. And I realize it’s an entirely different front office in San Diego, it’s more about the stigma attached to the Padres in general for me. It’s been a domino effect ever since the Peavy move.

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Joey Doughnuts
3 years 6 months ago

Right, which is why I said it was more of a waiver-claim move now. The only reason the Peavy trade sucks is because of his contract and his health, not anything to do with the players we gave up. So the actual TRADE wasn’t bad, just the aftermath of Peavy’s inability to stay healthy.

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ChiCitySox
3 years 6 months ago

Yeah I see what you’re saying. But what about the Don Cooper factor? We’ll never know which one of those kids could’ve flourished under his guidance. So no matter what it resembles at this point, it was a trade. And a pretty bad one, considering the outcome so far. None of the pitchers we lost have Jake Peavy talent or even potential, but they also don’t command Jake Peavy money for long reliever/spot starter results. In other words, the Padres got what they paid for and the Sox got, well, what the Padres paid for. Bad move.

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WillieWildkat
3 years 6 months ago

What do you mean Don Cooper effect? Assuming any of the four anonymous pitchers developed, where would they fit into the rotation?  Supplant Gavin, Danks or the ascent of Humber and Sale? They were already juggling six starters much of last year.  Rather have the potential of Peavy’s upside when healthy then any of the marginal pitchers included in the deal.

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Joey Doughnuts
3 years 6 months ago

Don Cooper is one of, if not the best, pitching coach in baseball, and his specialty is turning around players who couldn’t find success elsewhere. His philosophy is repeating and correcting mechanics. He also loves the cutter (see Buehrle and Danks for example). He does the best with pitchers who have the stuff, but don’t have the control, or “can’t quite put it together”.

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Joey Doughnuts
3 years 6 months ago

We have the Don Cooper effect, but they have the Petco Park effect. Even with the massive help from Petco, Richard only put up a 0.3 WAR, while Peavy, in yet another injured year, put up a 2.9 WAR (same WAR Danks put up in a healthy year). Peavy is dominant when he is healthy.

Extrapolate his numbers to a full 33 game season, and he puts up a 5.3 WAR, which would have given him the 12th best WAR for a pitcher. His 2.9 WAR that he actually DID put up last year, was worth $13M. He got paid $16M. So, really, in an injured year, he was still almost worth his contract.

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ChiCitySox
3 years 6 months ago

For sure when Jake is Jake, he is among the best. But we can’t just extrapolate his results into actual success on the mound, so it just hasn’t been worth it thus far. However, I am very optimistic about Peavy this season. If he can’t stay healthy as a starter, I think he would make an excellent closer in the future, even if not for us.

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ChiCitySox
3 years 6 months ago

Yeah but for the money, Jake has been a major bust no matter how you look at it. And I realize it’s an entirely different front office in San Diego, it’s more about the stigma attached to the Padres in general for me. It’s been a domino effect ever since the Peavy move.

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dlacsa
3 years 6 months ago

Clayton Richard has better numbers and played more games than Peavy.

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Joey Doughnuts
3 years 6 months ago

Look deeper than ERA. Peavy’s peripherals are far superior. His WAR was 2.9 last year to Richard’s 0.3. Richard is example #1 of what pitching in Petco does for you. Look at his impossibly different splits. Home ERA – 2.30. Away ERA – 5.30. That’s a difference of 3 whole runs!!! Clayton Richard is an awful pitcher.

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leachim2
3 years 6 months ago

Richard was hurt for most of last year.

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Joey Doughnuts
3 years 6 months ago

Peavy and Richard were BOTH injured last year, and BOTH started 18 games in 2011. Comparison is still very valid.

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Joey Doughnuts
3 years 6 months ago

And it was a different regime in San Diego anyway (Hoyer vs. Brynes)

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Drew Tweedie
3 years 6 months ago

Peavy trade was actually Towers. Also, while Richard hasn’t been great, he has pitched 300 innings over two years, each season at league minimum.

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Joey Doughnuts
3 years 6 months ago

Oh ok, maybe it was Towers, I couldn’t remember. 

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Drew Tweedie
3 years 6 months ago

Eh, it was 2009, easy mistake.

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Joey Doughnuts
3 years 6 months ago

3 different GM’s from 2009-2012? That’s not a good sign. lol.

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Drew Tweedie
3 years 6 months ago

No kiddin’! I did like Hoyer and what he did with the farm, and I like everything Byrnes has done so far with the exception of the Kotsay signing. Hopefully Byrnes will succeed and be here for the long haul.

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Joey Doughnuts
3 years 6 months ago

Mark Kotsay? *shutters*

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Drew Tweedie
3 years 6 months ago

Peavy trade was actually Towers. Also, while Richard hasn’t been great, he has pitched 300 innings over two years, each season at league minimum.

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Joey Doughnuts
3 years 6 months ago

And it was a different regime in San Diego anyway (Hoyer vs. Brynes)

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ChiCitySox
3 years 6 months ago

If I were Kenny Williams, I’d probably refrain from doing business with the Padres from now on. That’s two strikes. Then again, maybe Carlos will go to San Diego and pull a Jake Peavy.

Guest
3 years 6 months ago

Its blatently obvious to me that both GMs were deep into their NYC celebrations while making this deal. It doesnt really help either team.

Guest
3 years 6 months ago

Not necessarily….
This might set-up a trade between the Orioles and Padres.
Trading for Quentin will be a waste if they do nothing else.
Trading Adam Jones really wasn’t a possibility until today with the Quentin trade, now there’s hope for all involved

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WillieWildkat
3 years 6 months ago

And then trading Adam Jones for Gavin Floyd? A three way trade in effect…

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Drew Tweedie
3 years 6 months ago

NYE?

Guest
3 years 6 months ago

Its blatently obvious to me that both GMs were deep into their NYC celebrations while making this deal. It doesnt really help either team.

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rizdak
3 years 6 months ago

Carlos Quentin will probably be Ryan Ludwick v2.0 for the Pads. (Read: a 100 OPS drop.) Not sure why they keep collecting OF and 1B pieces when they really need middle infield help. And if you’re gonna bring in Quentin for 1 year, why trade Latos? Use Quentin to gamble on 2012 and wait to deal Latos if the season goes south.

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hallwagner
3 years 6 months ago

so they traded a guy who can hit 30 homers a year (and has before) for 2 pitching prospects who’ve amounted to absolutely nothing in the minors, 1 of which somehow managed to have over a 10.00 ERA in AAA. great job white sux

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hallwagner
3 years 6 months ago

so they traded a guy who can hit 30 homers a year (and has before) for 2 pitching prospects who’ve amounted to absolutely nothing in the minors, 1 of which somehow managed to have over a 10.00 ERA in AAA. great job white sux

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Joey Doughnuts
3 years 6 months ago

Traded away a bad defender who does not hit for average, gets injured a lot, will make $8M next year, and will be a Free Agent in 9 months. Yeah, it’s really going to hurt the non-contending 2012 team. #GetAClue

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hallwagner
3 years 6 months ago

question: would you rather have an outfielder who can have a .260/30/100 line every year (albeit with bad defense) or nothing? because nothing is basically what the white sox got

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Joey Doughnuts
3 years 6 months ago

You aren’t even asking the right question. The question is, would I rather have an outfielder who can have a .260/25/100 every year with bad defense and misses 40 games due to injury or an OF with can have a .280/25/110 and 2 pitching prospects, one of whom was highly touted, AND save $8M. Umm…..I’ll take the second choice…..

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hallwagner
3 years 6 months ago

well then you can have fun being in the cellar, although the padres will still probably be the worst of the 2 teams, even after this deal

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Joey Doughnuts
3 years 6 months ago

Lol, right, because the difference between Quentin and Viciedo + $8M is going to put us in the cellar. You really have no idea, do you?

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hallwagner
3 years 6 months ago

the white sox won’t be in the cellar, but you would be if you ran a team. it was just a really convoluted way of saying you would make a horrible general manager. the sox could have definitely done better in this deal than getting literally nothing for an above average OF

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Joey Doughnuts
3 years 6 months ago

I’m sure Kenny Williams WOULD doing a better job than some 21-year-old college kid. How is that even an argument? 

Also, not only do you need to learn QUITE a bit more about baseball, but you obviously have no grasp for the word “literally”. 

Plus, why does a Nationals fan have some irrational hate for the White Sox?

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WillieWildkat
3 years 6 months ago

Seriously, don’t any of these jokers have a sense of comparative value? You don’t stockpile those stats.  This frees up a spot for Viciedo, who should put up better numbers.  And I like the idea of picking up someone who was highly touted just two years ago. Like Coop’s track record– Danks, Floyd and Humber for starters. 

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blueandwhite89
3 years 6 months ago

The argument is that they should have gotten more (as Braves fans have been saying the Braves could have made a better offer).

Even waiting until the trade deadline might have yielded more. Assuming he’s not injured by then (which for him is not a safe assumption).

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Joey Doughnuts
3 years 6 months ago

We should have gotten more, if there was actually significant interest from other teams. Just because we could have gotten more from the Braves doesn’t mean the Braves were offering anything better. It’s hard to split hairs over a guy that didn’t really have much value, and it’s also hard to get a solid return when everyone knows it’s a salary dump to free up a blocked prospect.

And waiting until the trade deadline would just put Viciedo another season behind, while getting paid like a major leaguer. 

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blueandwhite89
3 years 6 months ago

The way some of the Braves fans are crying, I assure you he is not as useless as you suspect (has 20+ HR in last 4 seasons). I like playing the value game, so I would have kept him until the market got better (because when they need it, MLB teams will pay dearly for home runs). But giving the young player more playing time works too.

The fact that the padres have a low payroll and a poor team makes this trade seem like a value buy on the Padres part (especially considering the low return). My money says the Padres deal him for something more substancial before the trade deadline.

But you never know. They could lose him to FA and this trade will mean nothing.

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Joey Doughnuts
3 years 6 months ago

I highly doubt Quentin will have more value with 2 months on his contract vs. 6 months, even he is even healthy by that time anyway.

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blueandwhite89
3 years 6 months ago

Its not value, its opportunity. The guy is worth more than the two troubled prospects the White Sox acquired. By the deadline somebedy will want a corner outfielder with power and be willing to pay more.

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Dan_O62
3 years 6 months ago

Maybe Wren was only offering salary for salary? Seems Braves are excellent at catching teams at their most desperate (ie Houston, Pitts) but you can’t win that game every time.

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blueandwhite89
3 years 6 months ago

True. If the Braves get a better year from Heyward it won’t matter anyway.

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blueandwhite89
3 years 6 months ago

The argument is that they should have gotten more (as Braves fans have been saying the Braves could have made a better offer).

Even waiting until the trade deadline might have yielded more. Assuming he’s not injured by then (which for him is not a safe assumption).

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Joey Doughnuts
3 years 6 months ago

Traded away a bad defender who does not hit for average, gets injured a lot, will make $8M next year, and will be a Free Agent in 9 months. Yeah, it’s really going to hurt the non-contending 2012 team. #GetAClue

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Joey Doughnuts
3 years 6 months ago

Quentin’s biggest asset, and really his ONLY asset, is going to be stifled in Petco. He is a guy built on power hitting. He never had good defense, he never hit for average, he usually misses 40-50 games due to injury, and he is going to make around $8M with 1 year until FA. Not much value there, and even LESS value for the Padres who will lose some of that power. 

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Ohhhplease
3 years 6 months ago

Right handed power hitters do fine in PETCO, if you look at Quentin’s spray chart you will see almost everything goes to left.  Pads have Maybin in Center who covers an insane amount of ground, so his lack of range will not be that bad……nice pick up for the Pads giving up to pitchers who were not in the long term plans.

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3 years 6 months ago

Quentin is a LF-pull hitter, so he won’t be as stifled in PETCO.

We had a lot of money to play around with, and we finally found our #3/#4 hitter. In addition, we shipped off two pitchers who really weren’t part of out plans. I really think this solves a lot.

Really helps Padres fans cope with the entire year.

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Joey Doughnuts
3 years 6 months ago

Quentin hit a lot of balls to CF too. And Quentin wasn’t a part of our plans either. Viciedo has a good chance to put up similar production as Quentin (when you factor in Quentin is likely to miss 40+ games due to injuries).

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3 years 6 months ago

My theory is that Kenny accidentally hit the “submit trade” button. Quentin is overrated, sure, but he’s surely worth more than these two guys. Wouldn’t surprise me too much if the Pads turned around and dealt him to a team like the braves for a package that doesn’t suck. 

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drcreps
3 years 6 months ago

Q was only good in that park, with that protection, now he’s in the canyon with who? protecting him?? He is free swinger, which makes him a long out, I predict less than 20 hr’s this season, less than 90 rbi’s….and that if he doesnt get hurt….and good luck with that…I definitely would have kept the prospects

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3 years 6 months ago

The prospects weren’t part of our long term plans. 

Even if he produces 15 homers and 60 RBI’s for the Padres, it’s still wonderful. We didn’t even have a player last year who could pass the 10-HR mark.

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drcreps
3 years 6 months ago

So you give up 2 prospects and 8mm a year for 60 RBI’s and 10 HR’s(Maybe) see, this is my point with SanDiego….negotiated mediocrity

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Drew Tweedie
3 years 6 months ago

You give up two prospects and eight million to gain a valuable piece at the ML-level. You can still move Quentin or trade him at the deadline if he is producing, and you give the fans who believe the team to be AAA-affair something to look forward to next season.

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3 years 6 months ago

Honestly, this was a bad deal on both sides. I do enjoy the attempts of both sides to try to spin the deal as having been in their favor. 

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drcreps
3 years 6 months ago

So you give up 2 prospects and 8mm a year for 60 RBI’s and 10 HR’s(Maybe) see, this is my point with SanDiego….negotiated mediocrity

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Rick4SD
3 years 6 months ago

Great move for Pads, with a few more trades, which is expected, they may be getting closer to respectability. Still a long way away imo.

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3 years 6 months ago

I hope this opens the door for the Sox to sign Cespedes! VERY happy with this trade, two young arms for Q, probably weren’t gonna do any better than that. And now we have some salary flexibility. 

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Antonio Nicarelli
3 years 6 months ago

I get the trade, but I would not hold my breath for Cespedes or any other real help this season.  Payroll is now about $106M, and they said they wanted it under $110M.  The way I see it, they have one roster spot, hopefully for a back up 3B… should be a lefty… but hopefully born no sooner than 1970.

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bigpat
3 years 6 months ago

Huh, did Simon Castro suddenly become a scrub all of a sudden and are the Pads a player or two away from contending?

No offense, as I see nothing wrong with small market teams trying to improve, but I dont’ get this. Quentin only has one year of control left, and last I heard about Castro, he looked like a VERY good pitching prospect.

Their starting pitching is looking pretty thin right now, not sure why they would make this move after trading Latos… 

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Beersy
3 years 6 months ago

The Padres have Stauffer, Luebke, Volquez, Richard, Moseley, and Bass competeing for spots in the rotation come the spring with Kelly, Erlin and Wieland waiting in the wings.  They have also been in contact with Malholms’ agent, so I don’t think pitching is at all an issue for the Padres.  Sure they don’t have a bonafide #1, but #2’s and 3’s play up pretty good in Petco.

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nats2012
3 years 6 months ago

They have such a deep minor league system, that they wont even miss these two prospects.

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nats2012
3 years 6 months ago

They have such a deep minor league system, that they wont even miss these two prospects.

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Joey Doughnuts
3 years 6 months ago

He WAS a very good pitching prospect who had an awful 2011. Make this trade a year ago, and it’s a much different deal. Kenny or Rick Hahn or maybe pitching coach Don Cooper maybe saw something correctable in Castro’s mechanics and can get him back to his 2010 form. It seems to be a control problem, which is the most correctable thing you can change. He seems to have the pitch quality to be a major leaguer.

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Beersy
3 years 6 months ago

As a Padre fan I don’t think Castro is doen either.  He really turned it on late last season and is poised for a good year next season.  I’m not sure about this trade unless Byrnes has another iron in the fire.

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Drew Tweedie
3 years 6 months ago

Castro did not become a scrub, but he struggled with control of his pitches and took a step backwards. With plenty of pitching prospects ahead of him now, the Padres felt comfortable dealing him. The Padres have plenty of depth, for example, Erlin and Wieland (the two pitchers obtained in the Mike Adams trade), should be available for call-ups next year, barring any unforeseen circumstances.

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drcreps
3 years 6 months ago

When will good athletes realize that going to San Diego is is a career killer. The Padres and the Chargers seem to get in the way of their own success…Give me one good decision either club has made in the last 10 years…Great athletes have gone to San Diego  and that was the end of their success.

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Antonio Nicarelli
3 years 6 months ago

That is why they had to trade for a bat (though the timing is weird).  No FA bat was going to SD.  Quentin will get out in ’13 if he can.  then again he could end ’12 and start ’13 injured.

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3 years 6 months ago

The Chargers LOL
Well if Spanos fires Smith and Turner, which he should! Then goes out and hires Jon Gruden and Jack Del Rio as DC. The Chargers will be in good shape!

Now as for the Padres, trading for Carlos Quentin shows that they are still alive. Maybe they will trade for Adam Jones next and we (O’s) get Rizzo and Maybin or something. Of course we’d have to trade some pitching, that we have a lot of, quality is questionable, quantity is not in “Charm City”

Whether they trade for Jones remains to be seen, however at least the Padres are showing a pulse by trading for Carlos Quentin. I thought they were on full rebuild mode before this trade today. Now, maybe they want to do something in 2012

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drcreps
3 years 6 months ago

Don’t get me wrong, I draft San Diego players, football and baseball, and then I am really disappointed that they don’t play to their potential until they go to another team. Think about the Chargers with Brees….and not the whiner at the helm. Think about Gozo as a life time Padre, and build around him.

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Ohhhplease
3 years 6 months ago

Hey Eyeore, go to a profootball site and talk Chargers!  The Padres in no way shape or form could afford Gonzalez, even with 24 other guys at league minimum. 

At what point do you realize that the Pads are a low payrool team, it is the fact.  This isn’t a fantasy baseball site, not a football chat site.

Go back and chat on CCNMoneyFeatures or the Bloomberg view some more

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drcreps
3 years 6 months ago

OK, I can keep it baseball, who did the pads get for Agone? and how do small mkt teams like Brewers, Tigers, next years Reds, Tampa, keep winning? They get something for their Prospects. they act like they want to win a Pennant, my point is SD fans deserve leadership that takes risks to win…not just 50% attendance.

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Drew Tweedie
3 years 6 months ago

Errr, three solid prospects from Boston? And how do you define winning? Cincinnati just had a losing season, and how can you predict what the Reds will do next year? 

The Padres just got something for their prospects, Carlos Quentin. Leadership has taken risks, that would be the Latos trade.

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Rick4SD
3 years 6 months ago

no chance of the o’s getting Maybin.

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swatrob
3 years 6 months ago

Trading Peavy, what has he done for the Sox since they got him? At least Richards has pitched a full season since that trade.
 

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The_Porcupine
3 years 6 months ago

Odd trade all around.  Surely the WSox could have gotten a better return elsewhere.  I liked what they’ve done in resigning Danks, but trading away an inexpensive closer in Santos never made sense given the less than impressive prospect return.  And while I think Quentin is overrated (really only had 1 good year) and injury prone, he should have gotten at least 1 higher quality prospect (lets face it, the Padres farm system isn’t that deep, so for neither prospect to crack their top 10…).  It’s like Williams is looking for quantity versus quality.  Next year’s offense will be brutal (Konerko is going to wish he signed elsewhere).

From the Padres stand point, I respect that they recognized the value of trading 2 mediocre prospects for a “supposed” power hitter/run producer.  But it doesn’t make sense to upgrade the offense at the expense of prospects after having trading Latos away.  I like what the Padres got from Latos and I’d make that deal again.  But they aren’t going to be able to contend for another year or 2, so why make a win now move with Quentin?  Sure you could flip him for prospects later, but that is a gamble considering he always gets hurt and rarely has put 2 good half seasons together.

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Rick4SD
3 years 6 months ago

If the Pads are done trading than everybody who questions this move is probably correct in doing so, why add CQ to this team? I say the Pads are not close to being done, we will wait and see.

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Beersy
3 years 6 months ago

Well from everything we’ve heard Rizzo is defiantely on his way out, so Byrnes isn’t done.  Aside form him though no one on the team really has any worth to another team.

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Drew Tweedie
3 years 6 months ago

The Padres system is regarded as one of the deepest farms in the game.

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jwsox
3 years 6 months ago

Everyone is acting like Williams got shafted here. He got two decent young pitchers with good potential for a guy who has not been anything special except for 08. Don’t get me wrong I like Carlos when he is on he can carry a team but he is way to inconsistent. His defense is meh, he does not have an arm and no speed. Plus he is a power hitter who played in of the games best hitters parks in a easy division with exception to verlander. He is now going to the pitchers parks of pitchers parks and into a division who has better over all pitching than the al central. He isn’t going to be as good in petco. Granted these prospects may never pan out but Carlos is a lock for the dl year in and year out and might not hit 20 hrs this upcoming season. I also believe this is a move to free cash for cepedes for Kenny.

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Joey Doughnuts
3 years 6 months ago

It was definitely a salary dump. Yes, it’s an underwhelming return, if you believe Sox were targeting Brandon Beachy for a while, but Quentin is just too injury prone, makes a lot of money, and is blocking Viciedo. The return is nothing special, but this team is not going to compete in 2012, so might as well dump the guys who still have some value with expiring contracts.

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Leonard Washington
3 years 6 months ago

This move makes absolutely no sense. You go out and deal a cheap controllable ace then make moves for a bat? Quentin is injury prone and isn’t exactly gonna benifit from hitting at Petco. Plus…..its not gonna make a difference. They arn’t competing with the Arizona or the Giants with their current team. 

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Beersy
3 years 6 months ago

It is becoming very obvious that Latos and his attitude had ran its course in San Diego.  I heard rumblings of his attitude being an issue last season, but once traded, everyone in San Diego County had a story about him being a jerk.  I’m sure some of the stories are being imbelished now that he is gone, but it makes you think. 

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NYBravosFan10
3 years 6 months ago

Wow, this one came out of nowhere!!! Ok, is this enough to stop people from insisting that Carlos Quentin will be traded to the Braves?