Athletics Acquire Seth Smith

The Athletics acquired outfielder Seth Smith from the Rockies for righty Guillermo Moscoso and lefty Josh Outman, according to the Rockies' Twitter feed.  The A's are a somewhat surprising match for Smith, but they did need corner outfield help after losing Josh Willingham and David DeJesus to free agency.  Josh Reddick and Coco Crisp round out Oakland's outfield.

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Smith, a 29-year-old left-handed hitter, batted .284/.347/.483 with 15 home runs in a career-high 533 plate appearances for the Rockies last year.  The corner outfielder has struggled against southpaws in his career.  Smith (pictured) is under team control through 2014, and MLBTR reported last night that he'll earn $2.415MM in 2012.  The Rays, Mariners, Braves, and Mets are among the other teams that showed interested in Smith this winter.  He became expendable after the Rockies signed Michael Cuddyer for $31.5MM in December.

Moscoso, 28, had his first prolonged big league exposure last year for the A's.  He posted a 3.38 ERA, 5.2 K/9, 2.7 BB/9, 0.98 HR/9, and 26.8% groundball rate in 128 innings.  His flyball/pitch-to-contact approach might not play well at Coors Field.  Originally signed by the Tigers, Moscoso was traded to the Rangers in December of '08 for Gerald Laird and then to the A's a year ago for Ryan Kelly.  Prior to the 2010 season, Baseball America wrote, "Moscoso is ready for a big league role, either as a back-of-the-rotation starter, a long reliever, or a swingman."

Outman, 27, tossed 58 1/3 big league innings last year and another 78 1/3 at Triple-A.  He's been a useful starter in the Majors, with a chunk of missed time due to June 2009 Tommy John surgery.  Outman was drafted by the Phillies in 2005 and traded to Oakland in '08 as part of the Joe Blanton deal.  Prior to that season, BA said Outman profiled as a number three starter.  Now, he'll join Moscoso in what Rockies GM Dan O'Dowd called a "raging competition" for rotation spots.  The Rockies are actually close to adding a veteran starter to the mix for more depth, tweets Troy E. Renck of the Denver Post.

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  1. chris_synan1 3 years ago

    wow

  2. redsx968 3 years ago

    Decent pickup for the A’s I think.

    • diesel2410 3 years ago

      I feel terrible for Seth Smith

      • redsx968 3 years ago

        haha as do I. I should correct myself. Decent pickup for the A’s, awful pickup for Seth Smith

        • corey23 3 years ago

          Outman and moscasco are great pick ups for the rocks. 

          • melonis_rex 3 years ago

            You want to put Moscoso in Coors Field. 

            Even the Giants and Padres will hit homeruns off him. 

      • roberty 3 years ago

        Didn’t you see Moneyball???  He is the missing piece!  Now the A’s will win as many games as the Yankees! 

      • Jeff Weissbuch 3 years ago

        I agree his numbers will take a nose dive

  3. Lastings 3 years ago

    Since when do the A’s need a QB?

    • CaseyBlakeDeWitt 3 years ago

      OOH, OOH! I KNOW THIS ONE! He used to be Eli’s backup QB!

      • dbreer23 3 years ago

        Yep…the Rockies were a great football team, between he and Helton…

        • lairdd 3 years ago

          smith backed up eli manning and peyton manning backed up helton until he was hurt with a knee injury

          • Sam 3 years ago

            They almost even got Russell Wilson

        • Thomas Wilson 3 years ago

          Matt Holliday, Dexter Fowler were highly recruited HS Football players, the Rocks also drafted Michael Vick and Kyle Parker

  4. Like this for the Rockies pitching depth at the major league level and only give up an expendable OF who is mediocre at best anyway.

  5. Magorphenger 3 years ago

    Great sign for the A’s

  6. just my opinion btw don’t kill me.

  7. Stockpiling pitchers apparently is the Rox MO this year. I like this trade. 2 Decent Arms for a player that we gave up on seems fine to me. Good luck Seth (vs righties)

  8. Always loved Josh’s name. Straight and to the point…

  9. And Helton was Paytons backup…now this bit of Trivia is gone

  10. Seth is a good player but can’t hit Lefties…not sure what your needs are on the A’s…I do like this trade from the Rockies side. We have depth in pitching apparently now

  11. I’m not exactly sure how this is good for the A’s…? Quick, someone name the A’s rotation on opening day. Remember, Anderson is stil rehabbing, Braden may not be ready. The A’s needed SP depth, now they don’t have it. Bartolo Colon is the opening day starter? Ugh.

  12. joeybw 3 years ago

    Great trade for the Rockies. Everyone knew they wanted to trade Seth Smith and they still got a nice return. What is the A’s rotation projected to be now? Moscoso was going to be in and Outman was depth. I think of McCarthy – Colon – Park – ? – ?

    • corey23 3 years ago

      anderson, mccarthy, colon, then probably 2 guys they got from arizona… i can only assume taylor is going to be in AAA again this year… i guess there’s no reason to rush him since they arent doing anything til the move to SJ

    • Snoochies8 3 years ago

      McCarthy, Colon, Braden, Milone, Ross (if healthy) and if they sign another FA starter

      I know it’s Six players, Milone, Ross, and Godfrey would be competing the 5th spot

    • dbreer23 3 years ago

      Is everyone assuming that Peacock starts the year in AAA?  Or maybe someone with the A’s has already stated that will be the case…

      • Snoochies8 3 years ago

        He doesn’t have a fully refined changeup, and he didn’t spend much time in AAA last year before being a september call up

  13. Oh just realized that Moscoso’s BABIP was .212 last year…thats not good. Also he’s a fly ball pitcher

    • Tyler Jedrzejak 3 years ago

      isnt chatwood also a flyball pitcher? and then Moscoso is too….wouldnt the Rockies want people that dont let the ball get in the air frequently?

      • Yea thats what I don’t get…Although its a HUGE outfield. The ball doesn’t carry like it used to but it falls in to alot of space. Not sure I get this trade considering Moscoso is an extreme FB pitcher.

        • Rangersfan32 3 years ago

          Moscoso will fall apart in Colorado. He does not handle hitters parks well at all.

  14. thekoshow 3 years ago

    Braves fans everywhere celebrate.

  15. 10Steele 3 years ago

    whew tht was a closeone. go braves

  16. Tyler Jedrzejak 3 years ago

    Thank god that all this braves trading prado for smith crap is finally done for good

    • Brian 3 years ago

      cue in the A’s flipping smith for prado

      • Going to have to be a 3-team trade to get Tim Wheeler from COL…and that ain’t happening.

  17. Eric Wright 3 years ago

    wow I guess no Martin Prado for the Rockies then. Not a bad trade for the Rockies either.

  18. vtadave 3 years ago

    Your 2012 A’s rotation:

    1. Brandon McCarthy until he’s traded
    2. Bartolo Colon
    3. Dallas Braden (if healthy)
    4. Jarrod Parker
    5. Brad Peacock

    Tom Milone on deck, Tyson Ross in the hole (unless he’s a full-time reliever now?), and maybe Brett Anderson in July.

  19. I have a feeling the ROX will be trading away some of these pitchers they’ve acquired. They have too many now don’t they?

  20. sdsny 3 years ago

    Good trade for the Rockies, but I can’t understand this from Oakland’s view.  He doesn’t fit the Oakland mold as a high OBP guy (although .347 isn’t terrible) and he’s 29.  This sounds like the Matt Holliday situation all over again.  Come July, he’ll be dealt to a team desperate for a left-handed bat.

    • Matt Holliday would probably hit you for comparing him to SS.

    • James Attwood 3 years ago

      Wrong comparrison.

      Also, Seth Smith isn’t likely to bring much back as a deadline deal. OFs with pop but only against RHP are nice to have, but only a contender with a gaping whole is going to give up much of anything to acquire one. A’s will be fortunate to get equal back what they paid for him.

    • sdsny 3 years ago

      Can somebody explain to me where I compared Seth Smith to Matt Holliday at all?  I said it sounds like that situation, not that Seth Smith was equal to Matt Holliday in any way, shape, or form. 

  21. wrestlingcritic 3 years ago

    Rox got a steal…Moscoso can be lights out when he’s “on”

  22. thekoshow 3 years ago

    BREAKING NEWS: A’S AND BRAVES IN DEEP TALKS WITH SETH SMITH GOING TO ATLANTA FOR MARTIN PRADO.

  23. coolstorybro222 3 years ago

    now the braves can finally get someone worthwhile

  24. NYBravosFan10 3 years ago

    It’s over…it’s finally over!!! No more Seth Smith for Martin Prado rumors!!! YAY!!!!!!

  25. What happened to Michael Taylor?

    • corey23 3 years ago

      i’m guessing he stays in AAA another season. not like they’ll compete anyways

    • him and cowgill will compete for the 4th outfilder spot

  26. Thank you OAK, now the Reds won’t go after Seth Smith! He isn’t even that good, why all the fuss?

  27. Snoochies8 3 years ago

    Do NOT approve, let the youngsters play!

  28. melonis_rex 3 years ago

    One of those trades that makes no sense for either side. Moscoso in Coors Field is a disaster waiting to happen. You just put a flyball pitcher who strikes nobody out in Coors Field. Outman’s also meh. 

    Seth Smith blocks an outfield prospect, AND the A’s need rotation filler for until its time for the young guys to be in the rotation. 

    Unless its McCarthy-Braden-Colon-Ross-5th guy.

    • Don’t forget about Brett Anderson.

      I know setbacks are common but he started throwing on Nov.14 and plans for a July return. Perhaps Beane will plug one of his heralded pitching prospects into the back end of the rotation for 3 months and see what happens. I mean heck, what does he have to lose at this point…

  29. rizdak 3 years ago

    Why is Seth Smith a ‘surprising’ match for the A’s? They needed OF help and it seems like a reasonable trade. Smith had to compete for ABs in 2010 with Dexter Fowler, Brad Hawpe and Ryan Spilborghs. Otherwise I think his historical stats and present perceived value would be higher.

    And a pitcher named Outman going to Coors… shows Billy Beane has a great sense of humor.

    • James Attwood 3 years ago

      For a rebuilding team, the A’s already had all the OF they needed with Cowgill-Crisp-Reddick-Taylor. What they were already thin on is pitchers ready to be in the starting rotaion. That number just decreased by 1-2. This trade all but assures that Milone, Parker, Peacock, and Ross will all be getting significant starts this year while the A’s lack a bullpen or closer.

      • tomymogo 3 years ago

        He will platoon with Cowgill, Reddick will play RF, Crisp CF, Taylor DH

        • Snoochies8 3 years ago

          It’s gonna be Carter and Allen at DH probably

  30. Jonathan Jacobs 3 years ago

    I don’t know about Smith to Atlanta but I think it’s entirely possible that Smith was acquired just to be flipped elsewhere. He could be a decent lefty dh/fourth outfielder for the Yankees,for example

  31. James Attwood 3 years ago

    Granted, Outman is most likely a bullpen arm now, though he might gedt it turned around, and Moscoso is currently a #3-4 in the rotatioin pitcher with a ceiling of a solid #2 if he ever realizes it, so it’s not huge, but trading them both away for yet another OF bat really doesn’t make much sense to me.

    Moscoso was pretty much a lock to be in the opening day rotation with Outman at least competeing for the 5th spot during ST. Now they need noth a 4 and a 5 starter, and by the end of the deadline will need a 1 and a 2 as well. Granted, they have a lot of pitching talent waiting in the wings, but a rotation comprised of 4/5 prospects, along with a mediocre bullpen and no closer usually would not be considered a recipe for success/positive development.

    Yes, Smith can crush some RHP. He’s also horrible against LHP. Cowgill-Crisp-Reddick-Taylor would have been fine for the OF with Crisp being trade bait.

    Sometimes Beane’s moves just baffle me.

    • TheHotCorner 3 years ago

      No way Moscoso was ever going to be a #2. 

  32. David Kravitz 3 years ago

    well Angels have albert..texas  has prince ( assuming he signs there) and the M’s have montero..and the A’s have smith.. have fun at the bottom Oak

    • letsgogiants 3 years ago

      I guess you didn’t hear that the A’s were rebuilding…

      • James Attwood 3 years ago

        Thre’s very little rebuilding in this trade. What there is, is throwing a whole bunch of prospects straight into the fire without any sort of safety net. There has to be something else still in the works.

        • letsgogiants 3 years ago

          They traded two guys, who weren’t even prospects, for someone who fills a void in their outfield and could potentially serve as trade bait at the deadline. Outman is a lefty who had potential before getting TJ Surgery in the middle of the 2009 season and was vying for a spot for their rotation. Moscoso had a pretty nice rookie year, but advanced stats showed that he did get a bit lucky last year and, given he is a flyball pitcher, will probably struggle in Coors Field. I think Beane got good value for two guys who didn’t have much of a ceiling long term for someone who adds to their offense and is more established in the big leagues then those two. Smith is someone who, even though he’ll probably regress in the Colosseum, will serve as someone who will provide depth in the outfield until the trading deadline where he can then be flipped for prospects. 

      • gmenfan 3 years ago

        I think what you meant to say was “I guess you didn’t hear that the A’s ARE ALWAYS rebuilding.”

        • TheGrtBambino 3 years ago

          Sry there isn’t an extra $10 mill sittin around to waste on guys like rowand and Cody Ross. Must be nice though right gmen?

          • gmenfan 3 years ago

            Yes, even with the Giants obvious flaws, its nice to have been a relevant team within the last decade if that’s what you are asking.

            Listen, I don’t dislike the A’s but it seems like the front office is a doomsday ship with a lunatic at the helm. One day, the A’s are rebuilding – trading away all of their young, but getting expensive talent for a load of prospects. The next they are stocking up – signing ancient starting pitching and trading prospects for younger players who are starting to get expensive. I just seems like they are stuck in their odd baseball purgatory is all.

    • popular_mechanics_for_pitchers 3 years ago

      that was already assumed

  33. OaklandFan22 3 years ago

    wow wasnt expecting this

  34. Disgustedfan 3 years ago

    When billy beane woke up this morning he thought to himself man I havent made a trade in 2 full weeks time to trade somebody.

    Two starters in your rotation for a mediocre outfielder who will not be part of your long term plans.

    Good job billy

    • smith is a good player and is probly the best hitter on the A’s rite now

    • Phuong 3 years ago

      Are u kidding me, the A’s still have a ton of quality arms fighting for rotation spots. Josh had upside but moscoso has average stuff. Seth is the first offensive pickup this year that has a track record

  35. For some reason this thread made me think of the game I went to last year to watch Alex White pitch and dude let up 6 home runs. I’m not sure I’m trusting O’Dowd anymore (never did anyways)

    • bleedrockiepurple 3 years ago

      Lets see what White can do now with the ligament in his middle finger completely healed before we start ripping him. He’s a sinkerball pitcher so that middle finger has a lot of pressure on it. He said it was never 100% down the stretch last season.

      It’s not like FA pitchers are dying to come and pitcher in Denver so what’s the next best thing to do? IMO, create competition which will push these young kids to put forth the effort to get better and help the Rockies compete. More the merrier if you ask me especially if it’s for a platoon player who is doesn’t really have a spot on the club in 2012.

  36. Snoochies8 3 years ago

     a “raging competition”  

  37. lairdd 3 years ago

    i see this as the opening day outfielder and pitching lineup
    smith-crisp-reddick with cowgill as the utility outfielder
    mccarthey-colon-braden-milone-ross with anderson pushing ross out of the rotation when he comes back or when ross gets another injury peacock or parker will come in

  38. wow just got off work i have been calling this trade for a couple of weeks good trade for both teams we got colon yesterday i knew we were trading a pitcher 

  39. The RockA’s have more former A’s than any other team haha

    • melonis_rex 3 years ago

      I still think that’s the Diamondbacks. The Nats may also be in the run.

      • gmenfan 3 years ago

        That’s definitely a race that I’d like to be last in.

        • TheGrtBambino 3 years ago

          Don’t worry the giants don’t trade for any good players. They just pick up washed out guys and hope they relearn the game. Enjoy being last there

          • gmenfan 3 years ago

            Folks are getting punchy around here.

  40. DT Flush234 3 years ago

    I thought the A’s were rebuilding.

  41. Iconoclast17 3 years ago

    Good move by both teams to deal surplus players.

    Lots of insistence re: ‘delaying arby clock’ for A’s newly acquired pitchers is somewhat off base. This attitude is self-defeating for any organization.

    While it’s true gray won’t be rushed, Milone, Peacock and Parker all pitched in the major league’s last season. The A’s aren’t going to simply stash/waste them at AAA until 2014. (See Cahill/Anderson and Mazzaro, who were all rushed into into the majors).  

    It’s not the arby clock that is the problem, so much as affording to keep them in years 4-6, which won’t be a problem by 2015. Gray, on the other hand, is still working his way through the system and will most likely reach AAA this year and the majors no later thatn 2014.

    Milone should make the opening day roster and I wouldn’t be surprised to see Parker by June, if not sooner. Neither Braden nor Anderson will be on the opening day 25-man roster. Outman and Moscuso are gone. Ross is an injury waiting to happen and McCarthy may yet be traded. Do we really think Bean is going to make the Ben Sheets mistake twice re: Oswalt? 

    • melonis_rex 3 years ago

      “This attitude is self-defeating for any organization.”

      Except when Evan Longoria or David Price is involved? 

  42. theobi11111 3 years ago

    I feel bad for Seth. rumors had it he was going to boston, atlanta, cincinnati….. and they send him to oakland. poor guy.

  43. With Josh Reddick, the re-signing of Crisp, and now the pick up of Smith defensively at least the A’s are better. Billy Beane isn’t sitting around lamenting the upcoming season.
    Speaking of lamenting I wonder how Balfour feels, he might be the next pitcher traded away from the A’s. I think he signed with the A’s because he thought he had a chance of winning in ’11.

    PS You know I always gotta mention the O’s, but currently as both teams stands if they both got together to play each other exclusively. I am not sure if the O’s win 81 games! Grant it Beane had more trade chips, but I think Beane did more with his shoe string budget than Duquette has. If I get a chance to rip on Duquette, I do!

    • GearsofTed 3 years ago

      I wouldn’t say that Seth Smith makes the A’s defensively better.

  44. Right. That’s why you’re posting here.

  45. lairdd 3 years ago

    The only reason the a’s signed coco and traded for smith is for temporary depth that they need in the outfield. non of them were thought to be a longterm solution. it is to help some of their prospects (green, mitchel, taylor) groom in the minors. when some of them are ready coco and/or smith will be dealt for prospects at the deadline. coco may be dealt maybe not depending on the offer but if he does as good as he did last year id imagine seeing him being traded

  46. progmatinee 3 years ago

    Wow, more mediocre starters for Colorado. Its nice to know they can afford to lose their 4-5 starters twice over to injury and not skip a beat. That also means that 9 of their 11 starting candidates are pretty unspectacular.

    They desperately need to package some of these back end guys for a front end guy. How many 4/5 guys are worth a solid 2/3? Maybe 3 of these guys? Chatwood, White and Hammel for Wandy or Anebel Sanchez for example?

    • Guest 3 years ago

      i dont think 3 bottom of the rotation guys is worth 1 middle..whats the point?

  47. Robert Slye Jr. 3 years ago

    Full Circle?
    Willingham leaves A’s, signs with Twins
    Since Twins have Willingham, they let Cuddyer go
    Cuddyer signs with Rockies making Seth Smith available
    Rockies trade Smith to A’s

  48. mgsports 3 years ago

    Michael Taylor also in OF.

  49. Tyler Jedrzejak 3 years ago

    Maybe i am wrong. But if everyone is wanting the A’s to somewhat compete in 2013….and 2012 is a wash year wouldnt this be the year to test different options to see who belongs in the big picture? why not put peacock and Parker out there. No pressure to sculpt the mechanics and get a grasp at the MLB level. Then after this full year of tuning and bettering themselves, They are ready for the 2013 season where Oakland could try to compete a little. I mean these prospects are “MLB-Ready” so why not let them work it and grow so they can compete in the upcoming years

    • Iconoclast17 3 years ago

      This is my thinking on the subject. It may also be a necessity because of the injuries to Anderson and braden and the absence of Gio/Cahill. Parker, Peacock and Milone in Oakland by mid season, with Gray in Sacramento and Cook at AA.

  50. HHReloaded 3 years ago

    The Rockies are having a really, really bad offseason.

    • Vinnie White 3 years ago

      I don’t see how.  We didn’t grossly overpay for anyone and made some trades for players in positions of need.

      • HHReloaded 3 years ago

        Cuddyer is a MARGINAL upgrade over Seth Smith…and he costs 5x as much…and us much older.

        Tyler Chatwood, Kevin Slowey and these two pitchers are all pitch-to-contact/flyball pitchers.  The opposite of what you want, ESPECIALLY in Coors Field.

        • Christopher Everist 3 years ago

          Chatwood is a groundball pitcher.  Last year he posted a 59.1% groundball rate.  He’s got a high velocity fastball and is 23, under control for years to come.  That was a good trade for the Rox, coming from a Halos fan.

          • HHReloaded 3 years ago

            GB rate = 49% according to fangraphs…good, not great.  Anyway, what I really meant is that Chatwood is a ‘pitch-to-contact’ pitcher.  I’m not impressed by anyone with a 4.69 K/9 and 4.5 BB/9.

  51. roberty 3 years ago

    whew tht was a closeone. go braves

  52. Popular_mechanics_for_pitchers 3 years ago

    Mash?

  53. Tyler Jedrzejak 3 years ago

    mash against righties….but it seems that lefties “mash” him a lot.

  54. kevinfoley46 3 years ago

    And if he’s not healthy, they’re stuck with $12MM. Even if it works, you’re getting some prospects for $6MM, likely not great value.

  55. Tyler Jedrzejak 3 years ago

    heres the problem though…would Oswalt even consider playing for the A’s? And outfield of seth smith,coco crisp, and reddick…then the rest of the teams .250 averages. Im not sure he would want to play there..just a thought sure he wants to win for a contender. 

  56. Red_Line_9 3 years ago

    I’m not sure Oswalt will ever be able to prove healthy.  Not given that he has had disk surgery as well as degenerative disks.  I have had the same basic back concerns as Oswalt…and I can attest that there’s really no getting healthy with this condition.  It will reoccur, and at a moments notice.

  57. CaseyBlakeDeWitt 3 years ago

    Oakland seems like a great fit for him now. He wants a one year contract to build value. He gets to play at a great pitchers park, and although he won’t immediately be with a contender, he would likely get traded at the deadline to one, so he could still go for the ring.

  58. Phillies_Aces35 3 years ago

    Oswalt might consider it with the thinking that a year in that park could make him a ton of money in the 2013 off season (although, unlikely given the market of Hamels, Cain, Grenkie, etc).

  59. melonis_rex 3 years ago

    If he’s not going to be signed by a definite contender, then sign where if he’s good, he’s nearly 100% guaranteed to be traded to one midseason. 

    And do some stats inflation in the process. 

  60. Patrick Beliveau 3 years ago

    With the new CBA, im pretty sure if a player is traded mid-season he cannot be offered arb… which would decrease the value of the prospects coming back… you used to be able to send a guy like Oswalt if he had a hot start for prospects, with the intention of the other team to offer him arb. so they can collect the picks… that wont be happening anymore.

  61. brian310 3 years ago

    I’m thinking it will probably be a platoon of Cowgill and Smith in left, with Cowgill as an option to back up center

  62. BraveCrowe 3 years ago

    it’s a trap

  63. sdsny 3 years ago

    As a Yankee fan I feel as though I can’t say much considering the pitching we’ve stockpiled in the last couple of days lol.

  64. kevinfoley46 3 years ago

    You’ll probably see half of them start in AAA and someone will get hurt, a couple might be long relievers. But it’s not a bad strategy for Denver. I mean, it’s not like free agent pitchers are dying to go there.

  65. Tyler Jedrzejak 3 years ago

    Never have too much pitching..plus one or two of these dominate then you have two pretty hot trade chips, seth smith was going to bring much more.

  66. They’re assembling a fearsome rotation of #4 candidates. Personally, I think they’ve added Dr. Frankenstein as a strength and conditioning coach and will assemble an ace from spare parts: Outman, Slowey, Hammel, and Rogers.

  67. haymaker9 3 years ago

    Didn’t you hear?… The Rockies are going to go with a 10-man rotation until DeLaRosa gets back.  Either that, or they’ll do a tandem 5-man, with each guy going 3 or 4 innings.

  68. The_Porcupine 3 years ago

    Um… of those mentioned, I only feel confident in Chacin.  Pomeranz is a likely to make the rotation, but it would be his first full season in the bigs.  I’m not sure if De La Rosa will be ready.  After those three, it’s just a crap shoot to me.  Depth is great, but I’d rather have good pitchers.

  69. HHReloaded 3 years ago

    Unfortunately, only 3 of those names are good at pitching.

  70. jumpsuitjohnny 3 years ago

    He might not, he’s already really dropping his value. And Oakland is actually a very fun place to see a game, the fans tend to be very blue collar, it has a very authentic feel to it, unlike many other corporate named ballparks with cheesy features. 

  71. Moscoso showed he is a legit starter… It sucks to lose Moscoso, and Outman hasn’t completely proven himself yet, but is a middle to back end rotation guy. The rockies just got a legitimate 4th and 5th rotation starters

  72. Snoochies8 3 years ago

    not necessarily

    McCarthy, Braden, Colon, Ross, Godfrey, Edgar Gonzalez (hopefully not), scribner, even banwart could push for a starting job, and if they sign another FA starter,

    i still see the only player we acquired via trade making the opening day rotation being Milone

  73. FS54 3 years ago

    Why does everyone think that Peacock and Milone are ‘prospects’ and not major league ready? Both of them pitched in AAA/MLB with decent success last season. Cole is years away. Parker might be a stretch, but could be a part of that rotation as well.

  74. CaseyBlakeDeWitt 3 years ago

    Good work Admiral. I couldn’t tell

  75. redsx968 3 years ago

    Our defenses can’t withstand firepower of that magnitude!

  76. nm344 3 years ago

    Meh, I dont think they’ll be much of an upgrade over last year’s staff.

  77. Snoochies8 3 years ago

    Absolutely, Milone already proved himself at AAA, I just wonder if the A’s will overlook Banwart even if he pitches well at the level again

  78. popular_mechanics_for_pitchers 3 years ago

    What’s the point? honestly. Give the kids a shot.

  79. Snoochies8 3 years ago

    Unfortunately, they might just let him stew in AAA

  80. James Attwood 3 years ago

    If that’s the opening day rotation, then Parker and Peacock will both be pitching by May 31st. McCarthy and Colon are almost as good as gone already. Ross could very easily be a trade chip. If Braden can get his head on straight Beane will be awfully tempted to move him before he breaks down again. So Milone could be the lone hold-over through the deadline?

    Ouch.

  81. Iconoclast17 3 years ago

    No way Parker or Peacock pitch in Oakland next year? That’s a pretty bold statement. Peacok is 24 and Parker, what 22/23? If they are ready (especially after May) they will be brought up, arby clock obsession notwithstanding.

    Ross? Braden? You can’t be serious. There is no evidence either one will be healthy enough come April and Braden may never make it back. Anderson by July will have been in recovery one full year from an injury that almost always takes at least 1 and 1/2 years to recover.

    McCarthy if he isn’t traded. Colon. Milone. MAYBE AAAA pitcher Godfrey. That’s not enough. Now, I agree with you that BB may add another arm, but don’t count on Roy Oswalt signing. I can almost guarantee you that one or both of Parker or Peacock is going to pitch in the big’s in 2012. 

  82. popular_mechanics_for_pitchers 3 years ago

    never heard that before, I thought he was referring to power

  83. James Attwood 3 years ago

    In Colorado Moscoso is going to be hammered. In Oakland he fit nicely, especially while working through a rebuilding phase. I wouldn’t expect him to actually reach #2 status, but he could certainly develop into a traditional #3, especially in Oakland.

    Now in Colorado, he’s a bullpen guy at best. Outman probably is as well. Colorado is hardly getting value back for Smith in terms of Coors Field performance. But the A’s are divesting themselves of the bodies needed to help protect their prospects from getting thrown into the fire.

  84. The_Porcupine 3 years ago

    Ha, ha!  How true, Coors field is the new rehab from arm surgery.

  85. James Attwood 3 years ago

    They don’t have Ozzie for a manager. Otherwise you could almost spin a believable scenario out of that.

  86. rockies9216 3 years ago

    i’d have to say smith is actually very underrated.

  87. Encarnacion's Parrot 3 years ago

    I think using metaphors that refer the A’s to the Death Star are a little..  misplaced 😛

  88. James Attwood 3 years ago

    If/when Anderson comes back, things get a bit better. He is looking very good, but everyone knows, it only takes one bad rehab day to set a starting pitcher back 3-4 weeks.

    I would be shocked if McCarthy was still on the team come August. If Milone pitches well enough, then I would expect either Milone or Braden to be gone too. Milone is almost certainly the preferable of the two.

    Anderson/Braden/Godfrey/Banwart/Griffin?

    Oh my…

  89. lairdd 3 years ago

    im more excited about next years rotation being anderson-parker-peacock-milone-ross with cole, gray, and alcantra developing in the system it looks to be a good rotation for years to come. with 5 picks in the first two round in this years draft it looks to be a very promising 2014-15. They just have to adress the corner infield. I love what the a’s have done this offseason and in the draft.

  90. zonis 3 years ago

    Garland? No. Oswalt? Would be nice, but to be honest, he wouldn’t help us very much.

    If you view 2012 as a ‘lost cause’ rebuilding year, and just let the guys get experience towards Cisco Field’s opening, then it makes sense. Moscoso was basically a waiver wire pick up, who made it by through luck and the coliseum rather than being a good pitcher. Outman, though is the one I will miss, though after the TJ Surgery, he’s very risky.

    I say a good deal on both sides. A’s need offense, and had a surplus of back end starters with a desire to play the prospects. Rockies always need pitching. 

    Unfortunately, I feel that the A’s and Rockies are on the opposite sides of the paradigm. The Rockies grow hitters, but they are not nearly as good as they appear to be. The A’s grow pitchers, and while they are good, they are not as good as they appear to be. This matters less so for the superstar’s (the Big 3, Haren, etc…), but matters when you have a guy who is a #3 who, in the Coliseum looks like a #1, or you have a #5 hitter who some how looks like a superstar in Coors.

  91. zonis 3 years ago

    Garland is just not good. And Penny is not an innings eater. He’s a DL eater.

  92. zonis 3 years ago

    But I do not think the A’s should/want to spend a lot of money right now, the Crisp deal not withstanding. I think Crisp was just a play to keep the unions off their backs, but if you read ML’s analysis at newballpark, due to the new debt rules, the A’s have every reason to keep payroll as low as possible if they can in order to fight the new debt rules. They need to have as low a debt as they can from the start to get as much ceiling as they can gather to fund the stadium.

  93. zonis 3 years ago

    Garland is better than Moscoso. But thats like being the tallest midget. He’s just not good in general, AND because MLB loves mediocre pitchers with experience, he’ll cost a lot. And anything over league minimum is too much to pay for Garland. This is why we signed Colon anyways, so the point is kind of moot.

    tldr; Garland sucks, only reason to sign him is for a better draft position next year (i.e. losing more)

  94. Jon Melton 3 years ago

    At least youre not a biased fan of the A’s either right Pete.

  95. Red_Line_9 3 years ago

    That’s fascinating.  That’s the kind of info that’s interesting about a team and their fans.  I got the same vibe in Oakland.  It seemed like a blue collar crowd…but not in the same sense as you’d get at Comiskey.  Like the blue collar crowd that had spent some time in college.  The music WAS excellent.

  96. i agree

  97. letsgogiants 3 years ago

    I’m actually both a Giants and A’s fan. I’ve always liked the Giants a little more, given they were the first team I rooted for. But I’ve also been following the A’s for awhile. I’ve always liked Beane and support most of his trades, as opposed to Sabean at times.

  98. melonis_rex 3 years ago

    IIRC the A’s aren’t operating in the red, and haven’t been for a while. 

    (I may be wrong though) 

  99. melonis_rex 3 years ago

    Name tags! 

  100. I’m not sure how unfortunate that is. Taylor hasn’t shown he can do much against AAA pitching. He shouldn’t be handed a major league role of any kind (even if it is as a fourth outfielder) based on his past prospect status. Make him earn it.

  101. Iconoclast17 3 years ago

    Beane is on record as saying Taylor has to show it in AAA, first. I’m also concerned about burning Taylor’s arbition clock before it absolutely necerssary.

  102. lairdd 3 years ago

    Yea in an earlier post today its say that beane is STILL looking for right handed outfield depth. Someone along the lines of johnny Gomes.

  103. Iconoclast17 3 years ago

    Then, we need to remove some of the failed position players as well—Carter, Barton, Taylor, Cardenas, et. al. If the A’s thought they had anything in either Carter or Taylor they wouldn’t need to add players like Smith.

    I think BB’s done a pretty good job of rebuilding the outfield on the cheap with Cowgill, Reddick and now Smith. Now, let’s get a legitimate player at first and a DH.

  104. Snoochies8 3 years ago

    the obp was there last year (.360), and he is a quality defender, he just wasn’t the same power hitter everyone thought he’d be before injuring his wrist. The power will come back though

  105. GearsofTed 3 years ago

    i doubt that

  106. Red_Line_9 3 years ago

    I’m guessing it’s likely due to the Giants also being more costly.  I’m actually a little mystified how people can afford to take their kids to games…very few teams offer discounts. 

    The White Sox have a kids club that offers free upper deck tickets…without the need to pay a $20ish fee to join.  That’s pretty solid.

    I’ve sometimes seen the A’s as kind of a sister franchise fan base wise to the White Sox.  Both play in a market that gets dominated by another team.

  107. melonis_rex 3 years ago

    I love The Cell though. I really do. I got to see a game there a few years ago when visiting Chicago. 

  108. sdsny 3 years ago

    That’s arguing semantics if I’ve ever heard it.  3 years ago, the A’s traded a group of young players to the Rockies for an outfielder.  Earlier today, they did it again.  I don’t care what the talent level was.

  109. Iconoclast17 3 years ago

    Beane didn’t say that. And, both Parker and Peacock are 22/23, with some big league experience. It’s not like they would be rushed like Cahill/Anderson/Mazzaro.

    I agree, though that one or both will start in AAA, but one or both will likely be up by June.

    Also, it’s a mistake to count on injured players like Ross, Braden and Anderson for the rotation at the beginning of the year. McCarthy, Colon, another FA, Milone and Godfrey or Parker is my guess to start the season.

  110. Iconoclast17 3 years ago

    If you leave the young pitchers in AAA for clock purposes, then it’s defense and defense. Barton is not the player he’s being made out to be, either. Without Gio, Bailey and Cahill and arby clocking Peacock and Parker you can’t count on the pitching part of the equation.

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