Cubs, Tigers Talking Matt Garza

7:41pm: On Twitter, Kaplan clarifies that "down the road" means trade talks between the two teams have progressed "far beyond" the initial stages. Kevin Goldstein of Baseball Prospectus hears that the Tigers are willing to talk about Turner, but they are far more reticent when it comes to third base prospect Nick Castellanos (Twitter link).

5:52pm: The Cubs and Tigers are “down the road” in talks about a deal that would sent Matt Garza to Detroit for a package of prospects, according to David Kaplan of CSNChicago.com. The Yankees, Red Sox and Blue Jays have also expressed serious interest in Garza, Kaplan writes. However, the Yankees aren’t comfortable with the Cubs’ asking price despite their “tremendous” interest in the right-hander. 

The Tigers appear to be willing to meet the Cubs’ asking price of multiple highly-regarded prospects, according to Kaplan. Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reported last week that the Tigers could move right-handed pitching prospect Jacob Turner in the right deal.

The Cubs are nearing a deal with free agent left-hander Paul Maholm. Ryan Dempster, Chris VolstadTravis Wood and Randy Wells could fill the team’s rotation out and make Garza available. He’s under team control through 2013 and figures to earn $9MM or so in 2012 through arbitration.


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246 Comments on "Cubs, Tigers Talking Matt Garza"


joeybw
3 years 7 months ago

Not back in the AL! Former Ray pitchers tend to own us. Except Kazmir, we took him apart but so did everyone the last few years.

vtadave
3 years 7 months ago

Dempster
Maholm
Wells
Wood
Volstad

Guess if you’re going to rebuild, you may as well go full-rebuild.

nictonjr
3 years 7 months ago

 When Zambrano, Doug Davis and Casey Coleman were part of your rotation, that’s actually an upgrade in SPing.  If they can get Randy Wells out of the rotation, it’ll be a major upgrade….

j6takish
3 years 7 months ago

You NEVER go full rebuild. Just ask Sean Penn, you remember I Am Sam?

jtg102404
3 years 7 months ago

classic post from a very underrated classic movie! Im sure not many people got that at all lol…however i am in favor of a full rebuild tho…it needs to happen and is already looking promising imo

GaryLeeT
3 years 7 months ago

 That’s a tear down, not a rebuild. There must be a phenom in next year’s draft, because they are gunning hard for him. But hey, Cub fans are preconditioned for this. 100 loss team? No big deal.

stewie75
3 years 7 months ago

at least it’ll happen because we actually want it to this time haha

Hal_Jordan77
3 years 7 months ago

“That’s a tear down, not a rebuild. There must be a phenom in next year’s draft, because they are gunning hard for him.”

They’ve got a ways to go if they want to beat out the Astros for the 2013 #1 pick.

3 years 7 months ago

If Epstein is able to get two of Jacob Turner, Nick Castenellos and Drew Smyly, I would be beyond ecstatic.

JacksTigers
3 years 7 months ago

Not even the slightest chance.

gocubs418
3 years 7 months ago

How do you know?  I bet your wrong

JacksTigers
3 years 7 months ago

Keep dreaming.

nycub
3 years 7 months ago

The story reports that the Tigers are apparently willing to meet the Cubs’ demands…so idk about dreaming

wrestlingcritic
3 years 7 months ago

If it does happen, it would most likely be Smyly because hopefully Inge is gone after this year and Castellanos will be ready to take his spot

notsureifsrs
3 years 7 months ago

castellanos hasn’t even played in high-A yet

wrestlingcritic
3 years 7 months ago

I apologize, my contempt for the poor play of Inge last year has clouded my reasoning with unbridled optimism

RationalSportsFan
3 years 7 months ago

Dombrowski is known to overpay with prospects, but that would be a brutal overpay.  As a Tigers’ fan, I am a little worried though.

Edit: “known to overpay” is a bit strong. Probably should have said something like “willing to include to prospects.”

JacksTigers
3 years 7 months ago

They wouldn’t do it for Gio, so why would they do it for Garza?

gocubs418
3 years 7 months ago

You know *Hoyer* has full leverage here?  He will only take a supreme deal.  AKA  destroy your farm system.  Alright that is a bit of a dream, but Cubs will win this deal no matter what.

Encarnacion's Parrot
3 years 7 months ago

Except that Epstein isn’t the GM, so he wins nothing when it comes to trades.

RationalSportsFan
3 years 7 months ago

I thought Beane wanted all three, or at least Turner and Castellanos (Smyly is way below those two in value).

I legitimately fear something like Turner + Smyly for Garza.

Richard Ellard
3 years 7 months ago

Keep Smoking that stuff if you think Smyle is way below! Bet Smyle has a better career then Turner!

wrestlingcritic
3 years 7 months ago

Garza is far more established and has big game experience, and has better command

TheBigNice
3 years 7 months ago

I really don’t think they will, but who knows. I’d sure like to see Turner in Detroit for years to come (assuming he pans out…eh?) But Including any two of Turner/Castenellos/Smyly for 2 years of Garza seems crazy after balking at the Gio demands. Maybe it’s Porcello on the block??? I don’t know…

Nick Novak
3 years 7 months ago

They are different pitchers with much different numbers and experience?  Idk, it makes more sense to me.  The AL Central doesn’t look like it’s going to be very strong this year, so obtaining Garza would be a great move for the Tigers.  Garza is more of a “win now” move than Gio

tennlions
3 years 7 months ago

The term “overpay with prospects” is interesting. How do you overpay with something that you can’t accurately judge the value of? If prospects panned out all the time every GM wouldn’t be willing to trade them away.

Jeff Westcott
3 years 7 months ago

Except for the Renteria deal I can’t think of another trade where Dombrowski “over paid.” It seems to me that most of his bad deals have been of the “give-up a little, gain nothing variety,” i.e. Jarrod Washburn. Dombrowski’s true weakness lies in handing out bad extensions, i.e. Dontrelle Willis, Nate Robertson, Jeremy Bonderman, Carlos Guillen, etc.

Jay
3 years 7 months ago

etc. = Leyland, Lamont, Inge.

jayrig5
3 years 7 months ago

I’m not sure I’d be so confident if I were you.  

Ferrariman
3 years 7 months ago

maybe for Castro.

Fstuffup
3 years 7 months ago

If detriot adds garza then they are just beast! Cleveland might have had a chance before but not anymore

wrestlingcritic
3 years 7 months ago

If they get Cespedes too…lookout

JacksTigers
3 years 7 months ago

I have very mixed feelings about this.

tfsmag
3 years 7 months ago

hah, i can’t wait to see the return on this. I’m sure Tigers fans are going to end up being disappointed with what they gave up.

joeybw
3 years 7 months ago

Tigers can’t be giving up what the A’s wanted for Gio, can they? It happened again though, as it always does. GM comes out and says “we wont trade Turner” and you just know he’s in this deal.

JacksTigers
3 years 7 months ago

I think there will be something around Jacob Turner, Andy Oliver, and Hernan Perez.

TophersReds
3 years 7 months ago

Damn. The Cubs rotation is going to suck without Garza. They’ll be like what, a 60-65 win team? I feel bad for Travis Wood, especially if Dempster is going to be their #1.

renegadeisback
3 years 7 months ago

I wouldn’t trade Jacob Turner for 2 years of Matt Garza.

RationalSportsFan
3 years 7 months ago

Agreed.  If you believe Turner is even a 3 or a 4, you don’t trade him for two years of Garza.

Lunchbox45
3 years 7 months ago

Lol

3 years 7 months ago

Tigers now accepting any and all Minnesota Twins cast-offs!

JacksTigers
3 years 7 months ago

Garza is a pretty good cast-off.

Fstuffup
3 years 7 months ago

Ya i bet the twins sure feel good about shipping Garza away… I think throwing in Bartlett was what really got the trade going

notsureifsrs
3 years 7 months ago

delmon young was the cast-off in that trade; garza was the prize the twins gave away … to get the cast-off

JacksTigers
3 years 7 months ago

Say what you will about Young, but that was a great move by the Tigers. He may not be very good, but for what we traded, we really can’t lose. Say we sign Cespedes or another outfielder who’s better, we could flip DY for something that’s at least half way decent. Even if it’s a bench player or a middle reliever, that’s better than Lester Oliveros.

notsureifsrs
3 years 7 months ago

it definitely wasn’t a great move, but it didn’t hurt them any. he was a replacement-level player for detroit in 2011 who hit well in 5 ALDS games and then poorly in 4 games in the ALCS

it’s pretty unlikely that anyone is going to give the tigers something useful for a ~$6M season of delmon young and oliveros could still pan out if he gets his control in order, but at least for 2011 the DY trade didn’t end as badly as it could have

tigers fans will probably remember him for that one great series instead of the 0-win player he really was

Jay
3 years 7 months ago

I’ll remember him as being the final piece that the lineup was missing, and the protection he gave to Cabrera and Martinez. Sad that you only saw him in the playoffs, while he was quite injured and STILL a presence. Delmon is still really young, too, and could really blossom. Look at what Cabrera and Martinez did for Alex Avila. Won’t make him any better of an outfielder, but his hitting could take a drastic climb soon.

notsureifsrs
3 years 7 months ago

your optimism is charming, but nothing new. teams have been crossing their fingers with rationalizations just like yours for years now when it comes to DY. never pans out

delmon already had almost 200 PA (his entire reg. season in detroit) hitting with the protection of one of baseball’s best hitters in miguel cabrera. the result? a 101 wRC+ (that’s 1% better than the average MLB hitter)

and his wRC+ over the last 3 full seasons without that protection? exactly 100. so cabrera’s protection gave him a…1% boost

other hitters with 100 wRC+’s over that time:

maicer izturis
rafael furcal
jamey carrol

now if you like that because it comes in the form of an occasional home run binge, more power to you. who am i to judge. but objectively speaking, it’s not impressive for a corner outfielder – especially one so inept defensively making $6M. there’s just not much value there

3 years 7 months ago

I don’t like this.  No sir, not one bit.  Turner…fine, but it’s gonna take more than Turner. I also didn’t like giving up Miller AND Maybin for Miggy, but I guess that worked out…

FunkyTime
3 years 7 months ago

 Well, you were crazy then.  Any number of prospects are worth a 24 year old Miguel Cabrera.

Unfortunately a 28 year old Matt Garza is not worth near as much.

joeybw
3 years 7 months ago

You got it all wrong, Tigers are just making sure this man never no hits them again.

3 years 7 months ago

If we (Tigers) get Matt Garza…..we compare nicely with the Rangers. Yankees are not even on my radar this year, its the Rangers we have to worry about.

JacksTigers
3 years 7 months ago

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves. If 2008 taught me anything, it’s that everyone should be on your radar.

joeybw
3 years 7 months ago

You got that right and we’re still awesome. Man with our rotation, can you imagine a Paul Konerko type behind Longo? Rays should be favorite for the East this year unless the Yankees trade for a top end SP.

Onetimeaccount
3 years 7 months ago

ugh

Alladur7
3 years 7 months ago

There’s no way the Rays are favorite for AL East with their offense (or lack thereof). The Red Sox and Yankees are ALWAYS the favorites. Forget the Sept. collapse. Boston should still be greatly feared, especially if they get some kind of pitching…

Stuart Brown
3 years 7 months ago

If Beckett and Buccholz come back and pitch 190+ innings, it shouldn’t matter too much what their 4-5 guys do especially with that offense.

A 1-3 of Lester, Beckett, and Buccholz is very good.

cacavolante
3 years 7 months ago

im not sure the rays are the favorite but their rotation is good enough that i wouldnt dismiss them as you do.

wrestlingcritic
3 years 7 months ago

And the Angels are…where?

3 years 7 months ago

2nd in the West

GMwannabe
3 years 7 months ago

I love that nobody is even considering the Red Sox.. This time last year we were heavy favorites and have basically the same team..
Amazing what a few beers and a bucket of chicken will do

Alladur7
3 years 7 months ago

Nah people just take the September collapse to mean the Sox suck. But in reality I think they are actually improved already. Same lineup (best in baseball) and their bullpen is suddenly looking strong.

3 years 7 months ago

No, it’s amazing what a complete collapse and no sense of team unity will do.

GMwannabe
3 years 7 months ago

fair points.. im loving having a team this talented on nobodys radar..

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

there back end of the rotation is much weaker when you subtract the 4.00 era/200 innings they expected from lackey and matsuzaka.  lost their dominant closer, traded there ss for a setupman, lost both rf canidates.

EightMileCats
3 years 7 months ago

I’m hoping for something along the lines of Turner, Crosby/Oliver, Fields gets it done…

tigers22
3 years 7 months ago

Exactly.  Just not JT and Castellanos.  I’m fine with one of them, plus Oliver and another lower level guy. 

tigers22
3 years 7 months ago

As long as it’s not Turner AND Castellanos… I guess I’m on board.  Although I don’t really like trading Turner for another SP.  I think he’ll be better than Garza in a few years.  It’d really show a “win now” attitude from DD and Illitch

jumpsuitjohnny
3 years 7 months ago

Being a Tigers and SF giants fan I have a bad feeling about this. Its similar to the same feeling I had right before Sabean decided to trade his best prospect in Wheeler for two months of Beltran.

3 years 7 months ago

Its gonna be Turner or Castellanos plus. I’ll guess:

Detroit gets: Matt Garza, Marlon Byrd

Cubs get: Turner, Casey Crosby, Brenny Paulino and Eugeni Velez.

JacksTigers
3 years 7 months ago

Why would we want Marlon Byrd?

Kevin
3 years 7 months ago

Marlon byrd is worth nothing to us

Jeff Westcott
3 years 7 months ago

Marlon Byrd is nearly useless to the Tigers. If they agreed to take his $6.5M contract off of the Cubs’ hands they should then expect to sent FEWER players back to the Cubs not more.

BlueCatuli
3 years 7 months ago

Byrd? Explain yourself.

Running Scared
3 years 7 months ago

could be worse.Could be Soriano…puke in mouth

dickylarue
3 years 7 months ago

Stunned the Yankees are willing to bet that their top pitching prospects are all sure things. The chances that all of them turn into something equal to Garza is silm. I wouldn’t deal Montero for him as he’s part of the lineup as designed and they need RH power. That said, acting like their top pitching prospects are all as good as middle rotation starters or better is just ludicrous. No team has that kind of luck.

Kevin
3 years 7 months ago

Verlander
Fister
Max.s
Garza
Porcello

This would be a great rotation for us

tigers22
3 years 7 months ago

Verlander
Garza
Fister
Scherzer
Porcello

Fixed it for ya.

tigers22
3 years 7 months ago

Verlander
Garza
Fister
Scherzer
Porcello

Fixed it for ya.

101andCounting
3 years 7 months ago

Garza’s definitely your #2. then Scherzer, Fister, Porcello.

3 years 7 months ago

Your just a Cub fan lol, you  dont know what Fister did with the Tigers. 

gladdyontherise
3 years 7 months ago

No he’s really not. Fister proved in a Tigers uniform he’ll be the #2 starter. Have you watched Fister at all?

That’s what I thought.

tigers22
3 years 7 months ago

I’m a Tigers fan and have seen Fister throw quite a bit.  That said, we are sure to see some regression from what we got out of him down the stretch last year. 

As EightMileCats said I think its a 2a and 2b situation, but I’d slot Garza into the #2 spot.  The really amazing thing would be having Max as the #4 on the staff.  That’s pretty solid. 

EightMileCats
3 years 7 months ago

I think it’s more like:
1 Verlander
2a Garza
2b Fister
4Scherzer
5 Porcello

3 years 7 months ago

Is there a special reason as to why Dave Dombrowski wants to help out Theo Epstein here? The Tigers won the division by 15 games! They won 95 games and that was with Brad Penny in the rotation for most of the year. Why in the world is Dombrowski sweating bullets here? The rest of the division is either retooling or still building up to being a contender. The Tigers have a good team, they have a good rotation. It would be shear folly to give up Jacob Turner for Garza. The real reason the Tigers lost the series to the Rangers wasn’t pitching. It was because of

A.) goofy weather
B.) Delmon Young’s oblique strain. He was smoking the ball all playoffs and probable would have been the Cody Ross of 2011 except for that pesky injury.

PS I guess Old Man Selig is going to bury his nose in busy work and not question the Rizzo trade? Way to go Selig! Stand Up Guy! Woooooo! When will you get a “Bust” in the Hall of Fame? The caption underneath could read “Strength and Honor”.

3 years 7 months ago

did theo sleep with your girlfriend or something?

JacksTigers
3 years 7 months ago

What was wrong with the Rizzo trade?

tigers22
3 years 7 months ago

that trade screamed “collusion.” 

cacavolante
3 years 7 months ago

come on, dude.

cacavolante
3 years 7 months ago

come on, dude.

3 years 7 months ago

it’s not collusion if theo used his jedi mind trick on byrnes

xcal1br
3 years 7 months ago

Because winning your division only gets you into the playoffs, not in the same league as the big three from the AL East or even the Angels.  The Tigers need another strong SP.  Garza could be the man to take them into the upper echelon of the AL.

Paul Shailor
3 years 7 months ago

ROFL not in the same league as the 3 from the AL East? I am sorry didnt we beat the yankees in the playoffs? No AL east team made the alcs last year. Get over your division.

xcal1br
3 years 7 months ago

Haha, my division is the NL Central (I know, nothing to write home about).  All I meant was that winning your own division only does one thing:  It guarantees you will make the playoffs.  After that, you have to match up against teams that are, by definition, much better than the teams you beat in order to win your division in the first place.

Over the course of a seven game series, even Roy Halladay can be beaten twice.  That’s why we play the games instead of just handing the trophy to the team with the best roster.

GaryLeeT
3 years 7 months ago

 Ahhhh the NL Central produced the NL W.C. team, and the W.S. champion.

xcal1br
3 years 7 months ago

Yes, but after the Cards and Brewers, it was a p1ss-poor division.  After the losses of personnel this off-season, it is an even weaker division.  The Brewers will be lucky to hit the .500 mark, the Cards are a rudderless, albeit somewhat talented team and the Reds look to run away with the division.  He77, the Pirates could easily surprise us all and fight for the wild card or division.  They are much improved over last year.

jedicouncil
3 years 7 months ago

hes right, the tigers play the majority of their games in a division with all sub .500 teams, the A.L. East only had 1 weak team

Jntg4
3 years 7 months ago

Get back on CCS

3 years 7 months ago

Quit being a postwhore son.

Jntg4
3 years 7 months ago

LMAO troll…

inleylandwetrust
3 years 7 months ago

Texas was the better team. A rotation of Verlander, Garza, Fister, Scherzer, and Porcello would be damn good, and help take the team to the next level.