Heyman On Garza, Jackson, Varitek

The Yankees and Red Sox have approached the offseason with uncharacteristic restraint — at least so far. Freddy Garcia ($4MM deal with the Yankees) and Nick Punto ($3MM deal with the Red Sox) represent their most extravagant open market expenditures of the winter (though the Yankees did lock C.C. Sabathia up to an extension). Here’s the latest on the longtime American League rivals from Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com:


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71 Comments on "Heyman On Garza, Jackson, Varitek"


3 years 8 months ago

Who the hell views Edwin Jackson as a number 2?

3 years 8 months ago

Blue Jays do.

LaffitesLanding
3 years 8 months ago

Back to Back years of 200 innings and an xFIP in the 3.70’s?? If Jackson’s not a #2, who is? 

3 years 8 months ago

Hes not, Hamels and Cains are #2’s Edwin is a 3-4

3 years 8 months ago

Well Hamels and Cain are only #2’s because of who’s playing in front of them. Most people think Cain will be better than Lincecum. Hamels is a beast that just happens to play behind Lee and Halladay.
I think on most teams Cain and Hamels would be the ace, because they already are.

MaineSox
3 years 8 months ago

I’ve never heard anyone say that Cain “will be better than Lincecum.”  They’re the same age, Cain has been in the majors longer, and he’s never approached Lincecum’s level.

3 years 8 months ago

I’ve heard it numerous times from SF fans, and a few analysts. I think it was more of them saying that if they had to extend only one that it should be Cain, not so much that Cain is better than Lincecum as of the past few years obviously.

strikethree
3 years 8 months ago

xFIP doesn’t consider hits. If you look at his career h/9 and WHIP numbers, you can see that he has a high propensity to give up hits. (not a good way to succeed in the AL East) At any rate, his 3.7 xFIP isn’t even his career rate.

Also, while I do like his declining walk rate, he can still be volatile (he had a 4 BB/9 with Arizona). I wouldn’t be willing to give him a 5 year contract just based on 2 years of decent xFIP numbers.

MB923
3 years 8 months ago

FIP doesn’t consider hits either (except HR).

And what’s funny for those who like it say “This is how good a pitcher is without his defense”. Except one problem, FIP does factor defense becuase Innings Pitched is involved, and of course Defensive outs add to IP as well.

redsx968
3 years 8 months ago

lol that’s what I was gonna say. Whatever though. Go for it Yanks. AJ Burnett part deux?

Leonard Washington
3 years 8 months ago

The Yanks are gonna need to acquire Garza to get a real premium no. 2. Kuroda, Jurjjens, Oswalt would be solid too, though Roy carries risk and those three guys won’t outperform Garza. Jurjjens is good but in a division like the AL East if he brings anything less than his best control he is gonna get slammed a bit and come back to earth a lot. Jackson could show number 2 stuff in stretches but I don’t think the Yankees is where its all gonna click, especially on five years. I mean Jackson has been on something like five teams in three years or so and none of them even seriously considered giving him an extension. For someone to just run out and toss him five years makes little sense. The league can wait Boras out and get him at something like two years, or one with an option. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him out there long after Kuroda and Oswalt are signed. As for the whole Tek thing I don’t see anyway he plays for AAA or the sox sign him and let Shoppach play there so I don’t see it happening. I personally wish they didnt sign Shoppach and just resigned him but hey its a business. He has always been a good guy and I hope he comes back to us somewhere in the org at some point. Wakefield could still be a fit in my opinion. If he is willing to take a contract at under 1M we could still  find use for him as a spot starter and long man again. He pitched some solid games last year nothing spectacular but for mop up duty and occasional starts you could do alot worse.

3 years 8 months ago

most people would disagree with you about wakefield should be resigned, but i agree. although his ERA has been around 4.00 + i like him even as a yankee fan. and his ERA only comes with him being a knuckle ball thrower. but i do agree you could do alot worst, not to mention i think id prefer him over Dice-k or lackey. bet sox fans are happy  that lackey is out for the year lol

Leonard Washington
3 years 8 months ago

He is very high and low thats why he always had those 12-12 seasons. But despite the ERA he usually manages to give you 6 innings and on the cheap (Which he what would be required for his return) we could do worse. He is an icon here we all love the guy and though the playing time he will get is likely small he could still thrive off it. If he gets 9 or so starts throughout the season to save some guys health here and there and comes in during blow outs to save the pen he will be very useful. And the incentive for him is obviously another year to add a couple wins to his Sox record which is something we all want to see as long as the timing is right.

Leonard Washington
3 years 8 months ago

Oh and we are very happy Lackey is out. Now if he comes back strong from the injury we got him for one of those years at league minimum. He wasn’t that bad the first year, his second half was excellent. It was 2011 that was truly intolerable. So now that he is slightly cheaper if he can pull the rest together he might make that contract look a little better.

3 years 8 months ago

 Unless the Sox are thinking of trading Salty, why would they even think of signing Varitek. He’d give them 3 major league catchers, which no team carries anymore. Either something is up or it’s a line of BS by the Sox.

NomarGarciaparra
3 years 8 months ago

why in the world would they trade Salty though? that just doesn’t make sense to me.

Guest
3 years 8 months ago

So now Edwin Jackson and Matt Garza are #2 pitchers? And Jon Heyman, sorry, you’re wrong. The Yankees do not seek a #2 pitcher, what they seek is another ace like CC, to fill the top two spots and to pitch in different formations when necessary. Please, neither pitcher interests me and neither are meaningful upgrades from Hughes and Burnett when you consider all the costs involved, both prospects and dollars. If the Yankees want to toss $22mm over 2 years for Jackson, fine, but at any price that Garza commands it will be too much and just a waste of prospects for the Yankees.

Leonard Washington
3 years 8 months ago

I agree Garza is gonna cost too much (Everybody’s asking a  premium for starters) But I assert strongly he is an upgrade over both Burnett and Hughes. Until Hughes or Burnett prove otherwise Garza is a much better player. 

Stoibs
3 years 8 months ago

Yankees… Sign Oswalt! He fits all of the criteria without giving up a single prospect. Roy and CC could be a deadly combination at the top of that rotation. I’m blown away that he is still out there. This guy has been about as durable as it gets for his entire career. In the past eight seasons he has thrown over 200 innings six times. In one of those years he threw 181 with 30 starts. Last year was the anomaly. Even with the limited time he was worth 2.5 WAR. One year at 11-12 mill is a steal. 

3 years 7 months ago

 What “contributions” by Varitek? He couldn’t hit water if he fell out of the boat, is old and slow–and as Captain, he sat on his duff and did nothing as the Sox fell off the edge of the earth in Sept. Wave goodbye to him.

3 years 8 months ago

Or, he’s coming back to set up the post game meals in the clubhouse. I wonder what he’d serve?

jordan
3 years 8 months ago

Heyman is just relaying a boras “memo” that the sox are after him so they it looks like there is competition for tek so that his client gets a contract… as much as i love tek, i think its time for the sox to part ways. Although i want him back so the sox can groom him as a future manager of the sox. but not as a player. so perhaps the sox interest is for a coaching job like you said

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start_wearing_purple
3 years 8 months ago

That’s my hope. He’s always been credited as a good leader and great with pitchers. I was fantasizing for a while that he’d be named the bench coach or the pitching coach but I can’t think of a time that ever happened.

I do hope he stays with the team in some capacity.

3 years 8 months ago

the beer and chicken jokes got old the second they started

Nick Salvatore
3 years 8 months ago

probably chicken, pizza and beer

jordan
3 years 8 months ago

i am feeling the sox are going to sign kuroda in the end… I also think having BV will help the sox chances in getting him.

johnsilver
3 years 8 months ago

No use for Tek this year, was none for him last year and none the year before that.

Boston already gave him a job for 3 years when he didn’t deserve one. if they go out and give him one again, for what he did on the field 6-8 years ago, it is beyond foolish when they already have Shoppach and especially Lavarnway that are many times better.

Fans of tek should be asking whatever happened to that leadership he is supposed to provide last September.

3 years 8 months ago

I think that’s what dudemanbro was explaining.

chaifetz10
3 years 8 months ago

Not really.  I still find them somewhat funny.  

3 years 8 months ago

Jokes involving John Lackey never get old. Sorry!

Douglas Rau
3 years 8 months ago

They definitely did NOT get old the second they started.  They were gold for a month or two.  But now they’re old.

3 years 8 months ago

There was an extremely funny Beckett KFC photoshopped picture posted on a page a few days ago. I shed a tear or two laughing at that one.
I wish I could find it again.

redsx968
3 years 8 months ago

I honestly don’t think they will. What makes people think Kuroda will pick the Sox b/c of Valentine. Valentine might have more experience with Japanese players, but the two have never worked together on a team. He’s just as likely to stick to the West Coast or go to a team with a Japanese player on it

MetsFanXXIII
3 years 8 months ago

Yes, but can he pitch?

Leonard Washington
3 years 8 months ago

They slumped bad that’s on them. But sorry, nearly every player in the league eats some unhealthy food and has an alcoholic beverage after a game. So please people explain how on an off day a pitcher having that caused this to happen. Beckett ect, have always done that and Sox players have been quoted as saying the same crap happened during 04 and 07. Its stupid to think any of that is correlated whatsoever.  Let me quote ignorant Boston haters ” What did Peter Gammons tell ya that?”. Use common sense people. If you can still blame beer and chicken your clearly underage and have never had a beer or some delicious chicken. Grow up. Spoiler alert….school teachers smoke cigarettes, and santa clause isn’t real.

johnsilver
3 years 8 months ago

I’d love to see Lilly back in the AL and on top of that with the NYY.
Classic get out of the AL and to the NL case of finding success and a
prime example person I always refer to.

3 years 8 months ago

although i agree they need another lefty in the rotation, but jackson or garza would be perfect. although it would take jackson taking a contract 20 million less then what hes asking for, and the cubs askin less for what they want in garza. and they would go after wandy if the stros would  eat up most of his salary which if their desperate enough to get rid of him they will. but i like jackson as a number 3 spot in their rotation. they wont have to give up a prospect for him.

3 years 8 months ago

Coletti would probably trade Lilly for a Jeter autographed jockstrap.

East Coast Bias
3 years 8 months ago

Hopefully that lefty can be MLBTR poster @807de6e19724da1ff1b5a49dc8b632c9:disqus lol 

vtadave
3 years 8 months ago

Sorry, but in my book, a guy doesn’t need a reason to punch Arod.

johnsilver
3 years 8 months ago

Come to think of it? That nice shot on Rodriquez might be the only reason to keep him as a coach. Almost as funny as when Fisk hammered Munson in ’73 after the collision at home plate.

East Coast Bias
3 years 8 months ago

Not to mention, Tek kept his mask on lol while “punching” him. Man up! 

vtadave
3 years 8 months ago

It wouldn’t even have to be autographed.

redsx968
3 years 8 months ago

There is use for Tek as a coach or advisor somewhere. The man knows baseball. 

3 years 8 months ago

Who am I kidding, you’re right.

LaffitesLanding
3 years 8 months ago

Edwin Jackson is a significantly more valuable players than Ted Lilly. 

jjs91
3 years 8 months ago

Nice shot? i heard he’s too embarrassed to sign pictures of the incident real men take there gear off before they fight…

East Coast Bias
3 years 8 months ago

nice shot? That was a sucker punch* followed by ARod putting him in a headlock, wrestle mania VIII style hahaha

*We say punch, but it was more of an open hand to the face.

Jonathan Gallo
3 years 8 months ago

Cause real men fight with their mask on….I wonder what other daily activities Varitek does with his catching mask on.

3 years 8 months ago

come on MLBTR community, find ways to spice it up!

East Coast Bias
3 years 8 months ago

stay classy

johnsilver
3 years 8 months ago

No arguments there, then I put little to none in Lilly having value in the AL either.. he is in the absolute perfect places:

A) NL
B) HUGE playing stadium that plays perfectly to pitchers.

stick him back in the AL and above that, the AL East? Javy Vazquez x2 for the Yankees.. Cashman wouldn’t dream of getting Lilly MO.

Douglas Rau
3 years 8 months ago

I don’t think either Lilly or Jackson is a good fit in the AL East now.

johnsilver
3 years 8 months ago

Don’t know about Tek and his not signing photos of the incident, but Fisk used to sign the newspaper photo of the skirmish with Munson.. I got it during ST one year. he would even joke about it “malice” between the 2.

As for removing gear.. Sour grapes.. reckon Tek takes the time to remove everything before he decks him?
Get real.

East Coast Bias
3 years 8 months ago

Sorry dude, not much I can do. The rules now forbid writing in all caps… =/

Encarnacion's Parrot
3 years 8 months ago

You’ve done been Vader’d.

East Coast Bias
3 years 8 months ago

It’s ok, Rodriguez took his mask off for him lol

CaseyBlakeDeWitt
3 years 8 months ago

I find it interesting that he gets to keep his likes even though the comment is deleted. He now averages 187.4 likes per comment.

Edit: And by the way, why is writing in all caps forbidden now? I write in all caps on occasion, but it’s not like it’s offensive or anything.

jordan
3 years 8 months ago

just like what A-rod did with the slapping of the ball out of the glove of a sox player in the playoffs? yah, a-rod deserves it, he has no class.

3 years 8 months ago

i will admit, that was pretty funny

Guest
3 years 8 months ago

bleacher creature struck again

East Coast Bias
3 years 8 months ago

Hey do you know what the term “false equivalence” means?

He deserved to be an out or get hbp next time at the plate, not “punched” in the face. Get real. 

MB923
3 years 8 months ago

Not to defend A-Rod (I never will), but just to note, the V-Tek/A-Rod fight occurred before the ball slap. 

johnsilver
3 years 8 months ago

Yeah. Always someone with bad feelings in thegame it seems.

Who was it that Julian Tavares stomped their fingers on while they were lying on the ground a few years back at HP? Ortiz and Gregg last year Crisp and Shields several years back.. Always something/someone..Just the ‘faces” change

Lastings
3 years 8 months ago

They can’t take your “Likes” away. That’s a God-Given Right.

Leonard Washington
3 years 8 months ago

Yeah the Lackey situation is good, and I do agree Wakefield has been trending downward (Mostly because of his back) but I still think in the limited capacity we would be using he would be worth the sign for under a million.

RetroRob
3 years 8 months ago

Problem is there are no number two starters.  Garza in the AL East is a nice #3.  Jackson is a 3-/4. 

The biggest mistake a team can make is to try and fill a clear need (such as a #2 starter for the Yankees) by pretending, and overpaying, for a pitcher in a mediocre free-agent class. The Yankees have a clear #1 in Sabathia, a maybe #3 in the making with Nova, and a bunch of #4/5 types on the MLB roster and in the minors.  They don’t have a number two starter and none really seem to be available.

In other words, they should pass on these guys, unless they can get one cheaply and on a one-year deal, such as Oswalt.

ImSmartherThanYou
3 years 8 months ago

Well said.  Jackson should not be on the Yankees’ radar at all, and Garza isn’t worth the price.  They should just sit patiently waiting for a better free agent class, or for a more viable trade option, all the while making sure that Manny Banuelos progresses nicely.

East Coast Bias
3 years 8 months ago

And I would have liked to see Tek get more of a suspension for STARTING the fight with ARod. They both got 4 games for “inciting bench clearing brawl” or something. Ridiculous.

ARod gets HBP, then hit by Varitek (still in his protective gear), and gets the same amount of games suspension? How does that make any sense. Cursing = hitting to MLB.

jjs91
3 years 8 months ago

And what rule exactly did he break? And how is it different from when pediora did it?

CaseyBlakeDeWitt
3 years 8 months ago

Ees God geeven?