Latest On Roy Oswalt

7:09pm: Rosenthal now hears that the Reds are not actively pursuing Oswalt, but they are kicking the tires on the right-hander (Twitter link).

1:53pm: Pitcher Roy Oswalt is without a contract two weeks before the start of spring workouts and a number of suitors remain in the mix for his services.  Because the right-hander's top choices – St. Louis and Texas – are dealing with budget constraints, clubs such as the Reds continue to explore the possibility of signing him, according to Jon Paul Morosi and Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports.

Walt Jocketty & Co. have spoken with Oswalt’s representatives recently and would probably need to move payroll and stretch their budget in order to afford him, according to a source.  Signing the 34-year-old, the duo writes, would signal that the Reds are going all-in and looking to win before the potential departures of Joey Votto and Brandon Phillips via free agency.  Votto is signed through 2013 while Phillips is set to hit the open market next winter.

Oswalt and the Red Sox continue to have “mutual interest” in one another, according to one source with knowledge of the dialogue.  He also remains interested in returning to the Phillies, according to sources, but they haven’t been aggressive in looking for starters.


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UltimateYankeeFan
3 years 6 months ago

Cutting through all of the speculation about Oswalt the prevailing wisdom seems to be that no one has a clue as to where he might wind up.

MaineSox
3 years 6 months ago

Yeah, at this point all we have is logical fits and places he wants to play, and there doesn’t seem to be any overlap on the two lists.

UltimateYankeeFan
3 years 6 months ago

Actually Cincinnati seems like a pretty good fit for him.  It’s not as far from his home in Ms. as you might think and he’s familiar with the NL Central Division from all his year w/Houston.  And considering Pujols and Fielder have left the NL Central for greener pastures he should do well there pitching.  The only issue and it was brought up in the article is the money.  And where there is a will there is a way.

John Kappel
3 years 6 months ago

Yeah, I’d have to agree with you. Say what you want about Latos but he isn’t really the “Ace” that the Reds were and are looking for. The Reds could backload the contract so that they are paying even if he is on another team 2 years from now. Oswalt playing in Cincy makes way more sense then in St. Louis or the Rangers. The Reds can throw Leake or Bailey either in the bullpen or back to the minors for a year. Its not ideal for those two but if the Reds make the World Series in what could be Phillips last year in Cincy then it makes it all worth while. 

MaineSox
3 years 6 months ago

I’m a huge Oswalt fan, but at this point in their careers Latos is the better pitcher.

Gunner65
3 years 6 months ago

Leake yes, Bailey no as he is out of options. Bailey is a no for the pen either as it takes him a long time to get warmed up. Leake could go to long relief, but he was our 2nd best starter a year ago. So they’re in a bit of a catch22 with those two guys

Vottomatic19
3 years 6 months ago

Take Arroyo out of the Rotation…I hear he has been battling a broken hair follicle this offseason… it is the new excuse for his lousy play… but he will likely give us 200 pathetic innings again! Cueto, Latos, Leake, Oswalt, Bailey/Chapman is my rotation…pending, of course, the acq. of Oswalt…

Gunner65
3 years 6 months ago

If you can find someone to take Arroyo off our hands I am all for it … but that deferred money becomes an upfront bonus if he is traded. So that pretty much will null any chances of him going anywhere except out to the mound for the Reds every 5th day.

Beavis De Beppo
3 years 6 months ago

Leake isn’t going anywhere…not to the minors or the bullpen.  2012 will be Mike Leake’s coming out party.  As a Cincy fan, I could take or leave ‘ol Roy, but if it’s between us or the Cards – I’ll take him.

Beavis De Beppo
3 years 6 months ago

Leake isn’t going anywhere…not to the minors or the bullpen.  2012 will be Mike Leake’s coming out party.  As a Cincy fan, I could take or leave ‘ol Roy, but if it’s between us or the Cards – I’ll take him.

Tim
3 years 6 months ago

I couldn’t agree more!

CC
3 years 6 months ago

What about chapman?

MaineSox
3 years 6 months ago

Yes, but they have a full rotation and money concerns, so they aren’t any better fit than the Rangers or Cardinals.

UltimateYankeeFan
3 years 6 months ago

Maine, as the poster (John) above you said they do have options to move one or move of their current starting pitcher options to the minors as for their payroll is the Reds payroll concern any more or less than what Cherington has said is the Red Sox payroll issue with the luxury tax for 2012.  Besides adding a veteran like Oswalt to their starting rotation could be just what the doctor ordered.

Also, what do they have to lose?  They can always move him at the trade deadline if necessary if they are not in contention.

MaineSox
3 years 6 months ago

This post says that they would likely need to move payroll and stretch their budget to add Oswalt; the Rangers wouldn’t need to do either one, they would simply need to move a pitcher to the bullpen (same with the Reds); and the Cardinals would have to move payroll or stretch their budget and also move a pitcher to the ‘pen.  Again, they aren’t any better of a fit than either the Rangers or the Cardinals, maybe even less so.  All three would need to move someone out of their rotation to make room, but the Red seems to be tighter on their payroll than either of the other two from what has been reported here.

I agree that, in a vacuum, he is a good fit for
Cincinnati, but actually making it happen isn’t any easier for them than it would be for Texas or St Louis.

UltimateYankeeFan
3 years 6 months ago

Like I said earlier where there is a will there is a way.

MaineSox
3 years 6 months ago

That’s fine, but the same could be said for all 30 teams; that doesn’t have anything to do with whether or not they are a better fit than the Ranges or the Cardinals.

Vossome93
3 years 6 months ago

Reds seem like a good fit. Probably the only place he’ll get close to the money he wants, be on a competitive team, and be somewhat close to home.

JPH_GSG
3 years 6 months ago

Except the article says that the Reds can only think about affording him if they move payroll or stretch their budget. Boston, Philly, and Cincinnati are all far enough away to warrant a long plane ride. If he goes to one of those three I don’t think “close to home” makes a difference.

Vossome93
3 years 6 months ago

All I’m saying is that the Reds are probably more willing to make room and give him what he wants than the Cardinals and Rangers. And a flight from St. Louis, MO to Weir, MS is about 44 minutes and from Cincinnati, OH to Weir, MS is about 57 minutes. So not that big of a difference.

timmytwoshoezzz
3 years 6 months ago

And if one of Roy’s top choices was Texas, I don’t think the “close to home” thing had any legs to start with.

TophersReds
3 years 6 months ago

Moving payroll is speculation. Bob Castillini has money and wants to win now. But, if a move happens, it would likely be a trade of Homer Bailey since he is out of options and isn’t a good fit for the bullpen. I’m not sure the slight upgrade from Bailey to Oswalt is worth it, but I trust whatever Jocketty is planning on doing.

redsFAN86
3 years 6 months ago

If we are looking at just this season and win now…I would pick oswalt over bailey. 100% I trust jocketty too.

rovert22044
3 years 6 months ago

I really think the Astros should sign him, or at least try. At one point they did, but I’m not sure what happened. Here’s what I think they should do:

Sign Oswalt to a 1-year deal worth $7-8MM (other teams are offering $5MM, he wants $10MM. Met him halfway). He said he wants to stay near home, and Houston is the perfect place. So sign him, swap him for 2-3 prospects at the deadline to a contender who needs pitching, and complete a win-win scenario. We get prospects to rebuild while putting more butts in the seat at Minute Maid this season from the signing!

I really don’t see why not doing it. Some people ask me what if he gets injured. And? What if he does? To build a successful organization, you have to take risks. After trimming quite a bit of our payroll last season, we could use some of that to sign Oswalt along with another veteran or two, then trade them all at the deadline for prospects towards the rebuilding project.

Just my two cents…

TophersReds
3 years 6 months ago

If he knows he’s going to get traded at the deadline for prospects, why wouldn’t he just choose where he is going to pitch for the whole year on his terms? It may make sense for the Astros, but it doesn’t for Oswalt since he really wants to be selective of where he wants to pitch the entire year. He would have almost no say in where he would get traded, and he could go to a city that he really doesn’t want to pitch for whatever reason. He might aswell start off pitching for a contender, rather than play for one of the contendors for half of the year that he can’t choose.

3 years 6 months ago

cmon sox sign him

BoSoXaddict
3 years 6 months ago

Pete Abraham from the Boston Globe summarized the Oswalt/Red Sox situation well IMO: “Here’s the problem with Oswalt: He’s the best guy you can get at this
point but he would come grudgingly. That’s not what you want, not in a
place like Boston.”
That said, I still hope we sign him.

MaineSox
3 years 6 months ago

I don’t think Abraham is right; Boston might not be his first choice, but he wouldn’t come “grudgingly.”  Oswalt is a professional and competitive, he would come to Boston (or any team) trying his hardest to win every time he took the mound.  Even it wasn’t a place he particularly wanted to be, he wouldn’t cause a distraction over it, and he would still play as well as he possibly could.

BoSoXaddict
3 years 6 months ago

I agree about his competitveness and professionalism but I have to think it’s more than just Boston not being hs first choice – I think he doesn’t want to play there. Why else would be trying so hard (and this close to ST) to sign with two other teams who don’t have a pressing need for starters?

MaineSox
3 years 6 months ago

Because he has reason to want to play in those two places.  Boston wouldn’t be an ideal fit because of the park and division they play in, but they are a competitor and they do need pitching.  If he didn’t want to play in Boston (as opposed to simply preferring other teams over Boston) he would have told them he wasn’t interested like he did Cleveland and Toronto, which he hasn’t done.

camisadelgolf
3 years 6 months ago

To bump the price up.

notsureifsrs
3 years 6 months ago

it’s not clear to me that his preferences are any stronger than the average player; he’s just been more public about it than most free agents are willing/can afford to be

oswalt has talked about retirement before. if he really had a problem playing in boston, i expect he just wouldn’t do it. he already went that route with teams like detroit, who offered twice the money

WeDontNeedToFinPracticeRANDY
3 years 6 months ago

I agree…Not to mention if it’s on a presumable one-year deal. That’s enough for anyone to come out guns blazing. 

3 years 6 months ago

Let him go Phils, the whole back issue is getting old.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 6 months ago

Depending on the dollars involved, I could see the Phillies dumping Blanton for $3-4 million dollars of relief. They’re already over the luxury tax threshold anyway and this could potentially be the last year Halladay/Lee/Hamels are together. Getting Oswalt for $5-$8 might work. I don’t think its likely but I wouldn’t rule it out, especially if he’s desperate.

TheHotCorner
3 years 6 months ago

If I am the Reds I find a way to sign him.  Go all in this year.  If they feel they won’t be able to afford to resign Votto after his contract is up I think this year would be the time to make a run.  Be a decent front three with Oswalt, Latos and Cueto.  Sometimes you just have to go all in.

redsFAN86
3 years 6 months ago

I agree. I say sign him if its possible. Oswalt is a reds killer so last thing I want to see is him in st. Louis.

TophersReds
3 years 6 months ago

He *WAS* a Reds killer. Oswalt is 0-3 in the last 3 times he faced the Reds. He was a Reds killer when the Reds were completely terrible from 2003-2009 when Oswalt got his “Reds Killer” status. They even beat him up in the playoffs in 2010. The current Reds team is completely different than it was in say 2008. I read something that we have only retained a few players (Bronson, Brandon, and one more I can’t remember) from 2008. This team has been completely flipped, and Oswalt doesn’t own these Reds as he did the mainly no-namers we sent out in 2000-2009 era.

redsFAN86
3 years 6 months ago

Ok, so I’m asking you. Would you sign him and make room for him or would you let him go to st louis and stick with what we have? I’m just curious from another fan view.

TophersReds
3 years 6 months ago

Considering payroll restraints, it’s not worth it. Check out his ground ball numbers from ’04-’08: 315, 390, 346, 375, 331. How about since ’08? 2009-2011 Ground Balls: 265, 278, 218. Roy Oswalt doesn’t quite keep the ball on the ground as often as he used to. Infact, he doesn’t do a lot of what he used to. Everything is down. Ks through 9, K/BB ratio, etc. It’s all going down.

Homer is much cheaper, has enough upside, and getting Oswalt would force a trade of Bailey (hence losing 3 years of Bailey for 1 of Oswalt, same argument some people used for the Latos trade when we lost all of those player controlled years). Signing a player just to block him from the Cards isn’t a good enough reason. There’s no gurantee that the Cards will get him either, because they also have a complicated situation.

I’ll personally stick with Bailey, but it isn’t mine nor your choice as to whether the Reds sign him. Whatever happens, happens.

redsFAN86
3 years 6 months ago

I can’t see the reds signing oswalt. Not that I would object. The reds already have cueto latos leake arroyo and bailey..and I believe bailey is out of options so if the reds were to sign oswalt bailey would be traded. Not to mention chapman may be a starter,possibly triple A, who knows. Also, the reds signed francis so they already have a possible 7 starters without oswalt. I don’t think the reds have the money to sign him for 7-12 mill for one year..if they did they would need to trade bailey to at least free up a little money.

theobi11111
3 years 6 months ago

Cueto, Latos, Oswalt, Leake, Chapman. Damnnnnn

TophersReds
3 years 6 months ago

A couple a years ago “Damnnn” in reference to the Reds rotation would be negative. Boy, times have changed for the better from a few years ago.

dylanp5030
3 years 6 months ago

I’m not quite sure Latos is going to put up number “2” type numbers in the ball park. He was an average pitcher last year posting an ERA+ of 102. I can see him being in the 3.8-4.00 ERA.

However, I think Cueto and Leake will put together great years.

TophersReds
3 years 6 months ago

We don’t want to start the Latos is a Petco product argument again. It has already been argued and shown multiple times that he is not. Sure, his ERA will go up a little, but I doubt it’ll go to 4. I’m guessing 3.5 or below.

MaineSox
3 years 6 months ago

ERA is a very poor way to evaluate a pitcher (and by extension ERA+ is only slightly better).  Latos is easily the best pitcher of the three according to FIP, xFIP, SIERA, tERA, and K/BB.

elscorcho the marlin
3 years 6 months ago

I know it won’t happen, but I would love for the Marlins to pick him up.  I see the Sox paying the most for his services.  

3 years 6 months ago

The closer we get to pitchers and catchers reporting, the more curious I get about which happens first.  Does Oswalt cave and accept an offer from a team like Boston or Detroit, or does one of his preferred teams find a way to make room for him?  Or maybe he retires?

cano24
3 years 6 months ago

So Oswalt has been downgraded from “actively pursuing” to “kicking the tires”…

Who signs first, Oswalt or Manny?

cano24
3 years 6 months ago

So Oswalt has been downgraded from “actively pursuing” to “kicking the tires”…

Who signs first, Oswalt or Manny?

3 years 6 months ago

ources say:  He also remains interested in returning to the Phillies, according to sources, but they haven’t been aggressive in looking for starters. 
I always thought him returning to the Phillies would be his best bet for a few reasons.. (1) He has a chance to put up great numbers in Philly, who won 102 games last year, and are better this year than last with a revived bench and a healthy Utley, Rollins and Polanco.. Howard won’t miss as much time as people thought, (2) Philly LOVES him and he loves to play there… (3) He’d be the #4 starter and have to face everyone else’s 4th best.. in other words, 15-18 wins easily. (3) Best shot at getting a ring.
 
NOBODY saw Halliday , Pence, and Cliff Lee signings… RAJ has found a way to get the big name in there… and if it means eating Blanton’s salary, or trading Kendrick – then its worth it, as the Phillies are in a WIN NOW mode as they are all getting old fast, so a 1 year deal would be a perfect marriage for both.
 
BRING BACK THE 4 ACES!!!!

Tim
3 years 6 months ago

Reds are going to get Oswalt. Think, the Angels said they weren’t interested in Pujols before they signed him and same with Prince and the Tigers. They will have him on the rotation next year for sure.

Jordan King
3 years 6 months ago

Hell there was even a source downplaying the Reds interest in Madson about an hour before they agreed to terms with him. I said a week ago when it came out about the Cards signing him that the Reds would ultimately get him. I’ll stand by it.

Tim
3 years 6 months ago

Reds are going to get Oswalt. Think, the Angels said they weren’t interested in Pujols before they signed him and same with Prince and the Tigers. They will have him on the rotation next year for sure.

3 years 6 months ago

he’s clearly not desperate, if he’s told teams he doesn’t want to play there.

redsFAN86
3 years 6 months ago

I don’t see them trading arroyo but that would free up much more money. I’m an arroyo fan as well. He’s going to bounce back this yr. And be healthy I hope

TophersReds
3 years 6 months ago

Nobody would take on his contract. There is a lot of deferred money, and his contract says that the deferred money would need to be paid straight up if he were traded.

Vossome93
3 years 6 months ago

The “close to home thing” keeps coming up because it appears to be a big factor to him. Why else would you turn down a $10 mil deal with Detroit.

If being home if a big thing for him he should just retire. He’s made enough money to set up a few generations of Oswalts.

camisadelgolf
3 years 6 months ago

Arroyo’s contract says he is owed a $12M bonus if the Reds trade him right now.  It would almost definitely be cheaper to keep Arroyo.

notsureifsrs
3 years 6 months ago

shouldn’t scare you any more than any of the guys he’d replace

MaineSox
3 years 6 months ago

He’s a very good pitcher regardless of what division he plays in, and even if you apply the generic half run jump to his ERA (hard ball times says going from NL to AL adds about .4 to your ERA) he’s still a sub 4.00 ERA pitcher, which is very good in the AL East and would be better than any of the other options Boston has for the #4 spot next year.

JPH_GSG
3 years 6 months ago

Time is an important factor when you have to get in your frontend loader to clear fallen trees.

timmytwoshoezzz
3 years 6 months ago

“Why else would you turn down a $10 mil deal with Detroit.”
I don’t know, maybe because he wants to rebuild his value for a 2-3 year deal next offseason and he doesn’t want to try to do it in the American League?  Or maybe because he’s pitched in the NL his whole life and doesn’t want to change that now?

TophersReds
3 years 6 months ago

He’s certainly a good guy, but isn’t worth what he’s being paid. I think it’s fair to say the Reds definantly won the Arroyo-Willy Mo Pena trade. He’s fun to watch when he’s on, but it’s hard to watch when he gives up 7 runs in 3-4 innings (which happens about once a month).

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 6 months ago

They do but a lot of that money is going to have to go towards signing a Center Fielder, Third Baseman, etc.

soxfan0928
3 years 6 months ago

Boston has quite a bit of money coming off the books as well, especially with DiceK, Ortiz, and Youkilis if Middlebrooks turns in a good season and is ready to make the next step. Depending on how Ortiz’s arbitration goes, that’s over $30mm right there, maybe closer to $40mm in payroll, and around $32-36 in AAV. 

MaineSox
3 years 6 months ago

I don’t know that anyone would expect him to come in and pitch like an Ace; most are thinking he could be a good #3 from what I’ve seen.

Of course, a pitcher who has shown the talent he has in the past would have the upside to be something more than that, but I don’t think it is (or should be) expected.

Blue_Bomb
3 years 6 months ago

No body’s expecting him to be an ace.

dylanp5030
3 years 6 months ago

Mayberry will prob. be in centerfield and Brown in LF. Then, you COULD move Jimmy to 3rd or have Galvis play third this year in AAA. It could be done. Also, Tyson Gillies could step in by July of next year as well in CF. There are options, just not “guarenteed” options.

I see Michael Bourn as a big option for the Phillies (if the Braves can’t work something out). If he is going to get a contract in the 4/50 range, I think the Phillies would reunite with him (as well as Pence). I just see Victorino asking for major money. But with the Kemp deal, Hamilton and Victorino could ask for 5+ years and someone may bite.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 6 months ago

I would LOVE Michael Bourn. As much as I love Victorino he just stops thinking in the middle of games. (I know its a serious medical reason but his defense in Game 4 of the NLDS last year, for example was inexcusable.)

Should be an interesting off season. I could see Mayberry in Centerfield but I don’t think he’s going to be anything more than a fourth outfielder long term.

MaineSox
3 years 6 months ago

Something like half of that will go to raises for current players.  Crawford, Youkilis, Pedroia, Lester, and Buchholz all have raises built into their contract for 2013 (totaling $9.5M assuming they pick up Youk’s option, which they will), and the arbitration eligible guys (Ellsbury, Saltalamacchia, Melancon, Bailey, Aceves, Albers, and Bard) will also get raises of unknown amounts.

soxfan0928
3 years 6 months ago

Disagree completely. First off, Crawford doesn’t get another raise from 2012-2013. His salary levels out starting this year. Second off, unless Youk has some kind of a stellar season where he’s healthy for 150+ games (which he’s never done), he will get let go and Middlebrooks will be up. Youk is too fragile to play 3rd, he’s a first baseman. 

If Ortiz gets a multi-year deal (2/16 is what he should get, but I bet they settle at 2/20), then we won’t have to worry about him. 

Plain and simple – what it boils down to is this.  Next year (according to Cots), after all raises have been issued, we drop payroll by $44mm. That’s plenty of money for arbitration players, a $18-20mm AAV contract to Hamels, and fill in the rest of the roster. The big names that we would lose would be Youk (12.25mm), Cody Ross (3mm), DiceK (10.33mm), and Jenks (6mm). If Ortiz signs a 1 year deal, count him out too (12.6-16mm) with Lavarnway or an OF/DH replacing him.

soxfan0928
3 years 6 months ago

Disagree completely. First off, Crawford doesn’t get another raise from 2012-2013. His salary levels out starting this year. Second off, unless Youk has some kind of a stellar season where he’s healthy for 150+ games (which he’s never done), he will get let go and Middlebrooks will be up. Youk is too fragile to play 3rd, he’s a first baseman. 

If Ortiz gets a multi-year deal (2/16 is what he should get, but I bet they settle at 2/20), then we won’t have to worry about him. 

Plain and simple – what it boils down to is this.  Next year (according to Cots), after all raises have been issued, we drop payroll by $44mm. That’s plenty of money for arbitration players, a $18-20mm AAV contract to Hamels, and fill in the rest of the roster. The big names that we would lose would be Youk (12.25mm), Cody Ross (3mm), DiceK (10.33mm), and Jenks (6mm). If Ortiz signs a 1 year deal, count him out too (12.6-16mm) with Lavarnway or an OF/DH replacing him.

MaineSox
3 years 6 months ago

Actually Crawford’s contract goes up every year, but it doesn’t really matter because I was being a dolt and talking about actual salary and not AAV, so none of those raises actually matter (the raises in contracts; the arbitration raises do matter).

As far as Youkilis goes, $13M is a pretty good deal for a hitter of Youkilis’ quality, so it’s not like they need to drop a bad contract.  The way I see it there are 3 possible scenarios, and they all end with the Youkilis option being picked up: 1) Youkilis plays a full healthy year and handles 3B well enough to stick there, in which case it’s a no brainer to pick up the option 2) Middlebrooks suffers a set back and isn’t really ready for 2013, in which case they’d likely pick up the Youkilis option even if Youk has another year like this one, or 3) Middlebrooks plays well enough to force his way onto the team at 3B, in which case they would likely pick up Youkilis’ option and play him as a DH/1B/3B to keep his bat on the team and to give themselves some flexibility in the field/lineup.

The only possible scenario where I see them not picking up the option is if Youkilis has a really bad year (and/or misses a ton of time) and Middlebrooks has a really good year.  Even then though there would be a chance they pick up the option for the flexibility it would give them, and on the (likely pretty good) chance that Youkilis has a bounce back year.

Vottomatic19
3 years 6 months ago

Arroyo is not as nice as ppl say he is…met him several times…Redsfest, Parking Garage… too full of himself and a major excuse maker…barely over .500 as a Red

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 6 months ago

ADHD.