Yankees, Pirates Talking A.J. Burnett Trade

9:50pm: Talks were ongoing as of Friday evening, according to Bill Brink of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, and do not include Garrett Jones. Brink adds that Bucs are more receptive to taking on salary than moving a player or prospect.

4:14pm: The Yankees are telling the Pirates that absorbing $10MM isn't enough, Joel Sherman of the New York Post tweets.

3:47pm: The Pirates appear to be willing to absorb $10MM in a trade, Heyman tweets. The Yankees have been pushing for an even split and seek an OK prospect in return. Heyman tweets that the chances of a deal remain "decent." The clubs are talking, but aren't close to a deal, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports tweets. The Pirates are also looking at other starters.

12:34pm: There seems to be a fair amount of optimism about a deal, Heyman tweets.

10:28am: The Pirates haven't yet offered to pay $10MM of the $33MM remaining on Burnett's contract, Heyman tweets.

7:57am: The Yankees and Pirates continue discussing a possible A.J. Burnett trade, Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com reports. The Yankees are willing to pay a substantial portion of the $33MM remaining on the right-hander’s contract through 2013, but the teams are still a few million apart. The Yankees first asked the Pirates to pay well over $11MM, Heyman writes.

The Yankees want to create payroll room for a designated hitter and appear to be leaning toward Raul Ibanez, perhaps because they prefer his ability to play the outfield. Johnny Damon and Eric Chavez also intrigue the Yankees as possible free agent additions, according to Heyman. The Pirates rejected the Yankees’ request for Garrett Jones, Heyman writes.

Joel Sherman of the New York Post reports that Burnett’s no-trade list includes all of the teams on the West Coast (Twitter links). Sherman expects the Yankees to trade Burnett before Spring Training and suggests the team is waiting to see if the Pirates or another club offers to absorb more money.


268 Responses to Yankees, Pirates Talking A.J. Burnett Trade Leave a Reply

  1. NYYANKEES 3 years ago

    Pirates are downright sad. I don’t mind if AJ stays or goes. But the Pirates doing this thinking they will do anything in 2012 & 2013 is laughable

    • give the pirates the Yankees revenue for one season and get back to me.

      • Ahh this argument again. The Yankees, and Brian Cashman have to spend the money correctly to build a winner. If you gave the Pirates front office of the early 00’s (not sure if it’s the same one as today) that money, they would probably put the same team on the field and added that east wing to their houses they’ve always wanted. 

        Let me stop you before you begin, Cashman doesn’t always spend smartly but he’s human he’s allowed to make mistakes.

        • you may be right, but the McLatchey era is over.  and yes, cashman has to spend wisely.  but the Yankees have such an advantage.  FACTS:  Pirates are the least valuable team in MLB.  Pirates do not own their stadium.  Pirates dont even make money from parking.  Pirates are not a world wide iconic brand that generates money just from name recognition alone.

          The yankees can afford a mistake or three, just like Burnett for example.  The pirates cant afford a $16MM a year mistake ONCE.

          • johnsilver 3 years ago

            You forgot to throw in severely economically depressed area in general to draw from. That never helps.

            The Pirates were never world winners at drawing back when they had Stargell, Parker,Moreno, Candy Man, Stennett.. Can go back further even and the Clemente, Veale era.. the team never did light up the turn styles.

            Not hammering them here, just only in short spurts did they draw good and always did like the old Buc teams, just never were consistently good at drawing.

          • Patrick Flynn 3 years ago

            Economically depressed area?  You must not know anything about Pittsburgh anymore because it is not economically depressed.  Not by any stretch. 

          • johnsilver 3 years ago

            Long time since been to the area, granted.. Am from WV originally and many of the steel mills were in trouble when was there last is what based that on.

          • Patrick Flynn 3 years ago

            No worries.  The problem is that tv sells Pittsburgh as a steel town still.  It’s on all Monday Night Football games when the Steelers play and they show steel mills.  Not like that at all.  Pittsburgh came through that and is now a leading area in education, technology and the medical fields.  cost of living is low and the real estate market was never really hurt.

            Still a small market though and until the economics of baseball change to be fair to all teams, they will struggle.  Or until someone like Mark Cuban can buy the team.   

          • 99% correct except the Cuban part.

          • levendis 3 years ago

            thanks for clearing this up, the media potrays pittsburgh like its a total dump and struggling to just exist. I was clueless on the matter, so glad to know things arent as bad as we are lead to believe

          • Until the late 2000s, the Yankees didn’t own their stadium either. They still don’t make money from parking (the city and state have that money). It really does come down to putting together a good on-field product.

          • I was referring to just the pirates and how little revenue they get, not necessarily about comparing stadiums and parking.  but how about this:  next time you go to Singapore and see a kid wearing a Pirates cap, then we’ll argue about money, because the “NY” logo is everywhere.

            the Pirates could win just like the Rays and also still draw fans just like the Rays.  Dont forget that.

          • MB923 3 years ago

            The Pirates needed a better front office. As proven by the Rays
            success the past 4 years, who happen to be in the same division as the 2
            highest paid teams in the AL, money doesn’t always guarantee success
            and you can win with little money. Don’t blame the Pirates failures
            solely on lack of money. You can complain about the money issue all you want but if your front office is terrible (and the Pirates was for the past 15 years or so), then you should fault your own team more so than hating on another team’s success.

            As far as fan base goes, ummm, well, something I can’t really argue for either side.

          • Blue387 3 years ago

            There was a Sports Illustrated article in 2010 on the Pirates and there is a quote which surprised me.

            “For perspective, the Pirates reportedly will earn $24 million in gate receipts for this entire season. For further perspective, the Yankees can earn that much in ticket sales for a seven-game homestand.”

          • Yeah…you don’t really need parking revenue when you have a cable deal paying you 300 million a year, or whatever obscene number it is. 

          • boomer1344 3 years ago

            You must remember that for all their brand that sells, it goes to a pool under MLB marketing and each team gets an equal share. plus the money they get form the yanks in revenue sharing is a joke that the pirates don’t spend more. and Tampa has a much better team, and about the same payroll.

          • tacko 3 years ago

            It’s not an equal share. Teams only share 34% of their gate revenue. So the Yankees only share 34% of the revenue from the 45,000+ fans it gets each home game and keep 66%. Meanwhile the Pirates only draw less than 20,000 fans per home game.

            Baseball is unlike football, which splits pretty much 50% of each team’s gate revenue among its league. That’s why the degree of competitive balance in the NFL is so much higher than that of the MLB.

          • boomer1344 3 years ago

            i said the marketing pool, shirts, hats etc. if you think that the pirates sell more named stuff than the yankees, or even more that the 1/30 that they get, you need to think it out better.

          • 12in12 3 years ago

            That and the fact that there is a hard salary cap in football.

        • sammykhalifa 3 years ago

           Ahhh THIS argument again.  Yes, a team with money still needs to make good choices.  They can also just shrug off the bad ones without ruining the franchise for years.  Unless, that is, you’re honestly saying that a team with a billion dollar TV contract is on equal footing with one that gets like 10-15M a year. 

        • sammykhalifa 3 years ago

           Was the money Cashman spent on AJ Burnett spent correctly?  If so, why is he trying to dump him off?  If not, it must be true that Cashman doesn’t need to spend money correctly to build a winner.  Yeah, nobody always makes the right choice, as you said.  The difference is that in this case he can just shrug it off and go get someone else.  It’s a totally different animal.

          •  Yes, the money on Burnett was spent correctly. He was an instrumental piece on a championship the following year. The Yankees had to overpay to lure him in, but still, those are risks teams in “win now” mode take on a regular basis (look at the Angels’ offseason or at the Phillies’ roster). And it payed. He regressed far worse than anyone had expected, but it was not universally criticized. Some times regressions happen that you can’t anticipate (I.E. John Lackey).

        • johnsilver 3 years ago

          Jim Hendry had it and look where it got the Cubs.

          • HobokenMetsFan 3 years ago

            Omar minaya and the Mets come to mind as well….

        • Yes, the Yankees have to spend wisely….Hideki Irabu, Jose Contreras, Kevin Brown, Javier Vazquez, Aaron Boone, Carl Pavano….those huge financial errors have crippled their spending!!!  Are you serious?  Their huge revenue and market allow them to cover for HUGE errors time and time again.  Comparing the Pirates to the Yanks is apples to Oranges…if anything given the advantages the Yankees are afforded their performance over the last 10 years is laughable….

          • None of those contracts were bad going in, except for Kevin Brown, probably, and he was ace material acquired for essentially nothing (there’s only one good Weaver). Pavano’s injury was not predictable and he has shown that he is a competent starter. Vazquez’s failures with the Yankees are a complete anomaly according to his career line. Contreras and Irabu (R.I.P.) were a failure, but were highly pursued pitchers and Contreras showed for a time that he was championship material (with the White Sox). There’s a difference between a failure and bad spending.

            You want contracts that are failures? Look for Darren Dreifort, Carlos Lee, Jason Bay, Alfonso Soriano, Ryan Howard, Andruw Jones (with the Dodgers), Oliver Perez and (yes, I admit it) even A-Rod’s current one as examples. A bad contract is one in which the team largelly outbids himself and overpays going in, no matter how good or bad the results end up being and without the need of using the contract as a statement of market competitiveness (like Jayson Werth’s contract with the Nationals, Magglio Ordonez’s first contract with the Tigers or even Jose Reyes’s current deal).

          • MB923 3 years ago

            Kevin Brown and Vazquez were traded for. So was Aaron Boone if I believe.

          • yes, Brown was signed to the first $100MM dollar deal by the Dodgers.

          • I know he was traded, I made reference to that. Still, the point was made about how the Yankees spend their money and ability to accomodate contracts into their payroll. 

          • MB923 3 years ago

            “if anything given the advantages the Yankees are afforded their performance over the last 10 years is laughable…. ”

            You’re from VA it appears by you’re profile, I’ll lean towards an Orioles fan. What’s more laughable is an Orioles fan laughing at the Yankees. Your team has one of if not the worst owners in all of sports.

          • johnsilver 3 years ago

            “Your team has one of if not the worst owners in all of sports”

            Hey now.. I like the Fish, but please don’t forget who there owner is when ranking the worst owners…

          • MB923 3 years ago

            Id still say Angelos is worse

          • Nope, actually I’m a Bucco fan which certainly does not preclude them from the worst ownership in sports argument!!  No argument, my Bucco’s are a laughing stock…have been for nearly 20 years.  As a baseball fan though I feel given the Yanks huge payroll advantage(for example nearly 2-1 over last years World Series teams) they have greatly underachieved over the last 10 years.  Whether they sign or trade for large contracts, their ability to absorb “busts” gives them a distinct competitive advantage.  The fact that the Yanks are willing to “eat” the equivalent of 25 percent of the Pirates payroll over the next 2 years to make Burnett disappear says as much.  The current system is slanted greatly in their favor(as also with Boston, Philly, NYM, and several others to a lesser degree) which is the way MLB wants it…Give Cashman a 45 million dollar payroll and I would suspect his performance would be comparable to Huntington.  1 WS ring in 10 years given their huge advantages is to me “laughable”… especially considering the current MLB financial structure makes rooting for the Yanks kind of like rooting for Walmart!

          • MB923 3 years ago

            Still not as laughable as 18 consecutive losing seasons. Laugh all you want but with all due respect, the pirates are one of the worst teams in sports. A pirates fan laughing at the Yankees is like a bills fan laughing at the steelers, or an islanders fan laughing at the penguins. And ill even diss one of ny other favorite teams, a knicks fan laughing at the Lakers

            To edit this at 12:30 AM EST – Maybe the Knicks at least for 1 night can laugh at the Lakers

          • crashcameron 3 years ago

            actually, to cross sports in your post, the Islanders are the Pirates! once the home of teams dominant in their eras that homes of horrendous/clown show management/front offices/ownerships

          • MB923 3 years ago

            Very true. Although back in the mid 00’s the Isles were a pretty solid team, but now they are a wrecking crew.

          • MB923 3 years ago

            Cashman would have to run an organization completely different if he had $45 million. As I said in the past, comparing big market GMs and small market GMs is apples to oranges

          • slider32 3 years ago

            That’s all garbage, in the past 10 years the Giants, Marlins, Diamondbacks, and Cards have won the series. With the addition of another wild card the champion will become random. The team that gets hot at the end of the season will win, like the Giants and Cards. The best teams no longer win.

          • MB923 3 years ago

            What does that have to do with what I said though?

      • MB923 3 years ago

        You’d expect them to be a 95 win team then? 

        • formerdraftpick 3 years ago

          96

        • more money couldnt hurt.  the team will still have the young talented players to build around. 

          • MB923 3 years ago

            I agree it wouldn’t hurt, but we would have no idea how they would use it.

      • jjs91 3 years ago

         I’d be more inclined to care if the last great prospect they developed and then lost wasn’t aramis ramierez.

        • goner 3 years ago

          The Pirates didn’t lose Ramirez, MLB *forced* the Pirates to trade Ramirez as a salary dump, because they didn’t meet MLB’s debt-to-equity ratio.  Look it up… google the phrase ‘Pirates prez says debt is manageable’.

          In contrast, when the Mets had debt problems recently, did MLB make them trade David Wright? 

    • pirateswillwinin2013 3 years ago

      Whats so laughable? Burnett and Bedard stay healthy they could easily be in the race in a weaker NL Central

      • chico65 3 years ago

        Bedard staying healthy is certainly laughable though

        • not necessarily.  his arm, in fact, was fine last year.  his injury wasnt arm related which is why this is a good signing.  and he still tossed 130 innings.  Add 5 more starts to that number and hes up there around Morton and McDonald already.

    • Ron Loreski 3 years ago

      The Pirates have a very good young core that is still 1-2 years away from prime. Plus they have VERY good pitching that should be MLB ready at some point in 2013.

      • toddcoffeytime 3 years ago

        Tabata, McCutchen, and….who else?  I agree they have some nice prospects, especially pitching prospects, but they just do not have a young core nearing their prime.

        • seriously?  Im sure Ron wasnt trying to imply that the lineup was full of allstars, but cmon man, the young guys do have a chance of being very good.

  2. seeking28 3 years ago

    Go on “take the money and run”…

  3. indybucfan 3 years ago

    This just magnifies a glaring problem with baseball that the powers that be refuse to acknowledge! Teams like the Yankees can pay a guy like Burnett, 25 million to go away, while a small market team like the Pirates, needs that much money of his salary paid in order to make the deal worth it. It’s really sad from both sides. I long for the day when baseball will wise up and get a salary cap with both a ceiling and a floor.

    • JacobyWanKenobi 3 years ago

      Yeah but they were going to give him the money anyway. It’s perfectly fair and logical that teams can pay part of the salaries of players they wish to trade. If anything, it helps the smaller teams, because they get higher market talent, for the most part, for less than market value.

      If you had a less wealthy franchise, would you rather spend a few million on a Doug Davis/Sergio Mitre or take a >small< risk on AJ Burnett who has the potential to be really good?

      Also, I don't see how people can blame teams for having more money. It just sounds like "No fair, they're better at running a business than we are."

      • $7562574 3 years ago

        the reason for more financial parity is because the rich teams play poor teams to earn all that money. if the poor teams close doors and the yankees have to play the sox all season long what fun is there?

        • The only way the poor teams would have to shutter their doors realistically was if they DID put in a salary cap because it would include a salary floor, and most likely one that was around $100 million which is what it is in the NFL where revenues for the league are not all that different.

          • MB923 3 years ago

            Why would a Salary Floor be at $100 million? That’s ridiculous.
             

          • Chris Barrows 3 years ago

            I’m not sure if the floor would be 100 million – but it would certainly be a lot higher than many teams are currently at or want to be at.

    • Why does baseball need a salary cap? What will it fix? I’ve been dying to hear someone with a good argument!

      • sammykhalifa 3 years ago

         Ever heard of the NFL?

        • MB923 3 years ago

          Yes but a salary cap is not solely why the NFL is more competitive. A short schedule surely does help too.

          There’s a salary cap in the NBA too. And that’s maybe an 8 team league.

        • Ever heard that they have more teams in the playoffs every year and only about have of the teams in the league have won a Superbowl?

        • Snoochies8 3 years ago

          notice how it’s usually the same teams making the super bowl? you hardly ever teams like the equivilant of the rays or rockies making the world series

      • MB923 3 years ago

        For starters, it prevents high market teams from spending overboard on all star free agents.

        • However, just because you have so many stars does not guarantee that you will even make the playoffs. It often is about growing talent…and those teams that have been bad for so long have simply done horribly in that regard—i.e., the Pirates.

          • MB923 3 years ago

            Yes the Pirates and Orioles. 2 franchises that have played poorly for quite some time and for quite some time still had below average farm systems. Thankfully the Pirates have move in the top 10 but the Orioles are still the 2nd worst in the AL East.

          • Those two teams have not evaluated talent properly and have had poor drafts for years that is their down fall. Also don’t these teams get revenue shares?? If there is a salary cap they will be losing that extra money.

          • $7562574 3 years ago

            revenue shares are peanuts from the giving teams’ point and walnuts for the receiving team. it definitely needs to change. don’t get me wrong. my team turned into a giving team around ten years ago but the game of baseball needs to achieve somewhat of a payroll parity.

          • Luckily they are changing Revenue sharing so that the teams in the 15 largest markets are disqualified from receiving revenue sharing proceeds.  A good change in my book.  If you are in a big market and still can’t bring in revenue than it’s on the owners.

          • $7562574 3 years ago

            i agree with you except one thing; it is not enough.

      • boomer1344 3 years ago

        if there was a salary cap, does that mean we can get rid of the scam nown as premium team pricing? every team would be the same then. of course the smaller markets complain about the rich teams getting richer, but when the schedule comes out, they all want and promote the richer teams, especially the interleague games.

      • and cue braves fans’ entrance music…

    • animal_strength 3 years ago

      you are speaking of a payroll cap, not a salary cap which would limit how much a player makes.

      and a payroll cap would do absolutely nothing in terms of making teams more or less competitive. teams would still rebuild; the “floor” would have teams like the pirates just over it. And the pirates get plenty of money from the yankees through revenue sharing, so no complaints to begin with.

      • $7562574 3 years ago

        just look at the competitiveness of the baseball pre-bud and post-bud. even a yankee fan would be a little smarter.

    • wickedkevin 3 years ago

      FACT:  Baseball has the most championship parity in any US Sport since 2000.

      • indybucfan 3 years ago

        Thanks for sharing that meaningless tidbit Mr Selig!

  4. Rick Buckholz 3 years ago

    The cancer that is AJ Burnett will not be on the Yankees this year. If they’re willing to absorb that much money then they are highly motivated to get rid of him. He can only improve being in the NL and out of the AL East. He’s an innings eater, and clearly no legitimate starting pitcher is willing to sign-up with the Pirates, so why not.

    • $7562574 3 years ago

      why is your team trying to throw a cancer to someone else’s lap?

  5. pirateswillwinin2013 3 years ago

    Ill Go Tim Alderson for AJ Burnett thats about it, While the Yankees pick up the whole contract

    • UltimateYankeeFan 3 years ago

      My friend I can tell by your moniker you’re a dreamer and eternal optimist.

      • pirateswillwinin2013 3 years ago

        Nah I’m a realist, with a sarcastic twist… What do you really think your boy Burnett is worth with a 5 + era the last two seasons n owed over 30 million?? You sir overvalue your beloved Yankees.

  6. UltimateYankeeFan 3 years ago

    …and talks between the 2 teams continue.  Regardless of what ultimately happens at this point that’s a good sign for the Yankees and Yankees fans.

    BTW, the Yankees will probably wind up eating $24 or $25MM of the $33MM and they will be better off for it.  At least that’s my opinion.

    • dook83 3 years ago

      I think the Yankees learned their lesson about signing non-elite pitchers to huge contracts.  This was a major driving force behind the Pineda/Montero deal.  It’s one thing if a pitcher with a high ceiling/dominant stuff is cheap, if he fails there will always be another team to take a chance on him – but if he is expensive (e.g. Burnett), you’re screwed.

  7. Brian Swope 3 years ago

    I wonder if Raul was ever signed because of his defense before…

  8. Isn’t the entire reason for trading Burnett is the money he is owed?  How can you expect anything of value in return unless you eat the majority of the contract?

  9. Please let this go through…Burnett is way too inconsistent to fit in the Yankees’ plans. Presuming that Michael Pineda continues to progress, this would be great news for the Yanks…and Burnett could do better outside the AL East.

  10. alan104 3 years ago

    A.J. needs a fresh start. New York stage is too much for him. Under all that scrutiny and rightfully so considering the huge contract. He would become super relaxed playing in Pittsburgh and should excel there.

  11. No idea what the actual WAR or any other relevant stats say but getting rid of AJ has to guarantee the Yanks oneor two extra wins this year v. the Sox and Toronto.

    • $7562574 3 years ago

      his war in 2010 was -.5 and ’11, 1.1. is this pitcher worth $4 million per year?

  12. Burnett is a #1 starter on almost any team, why should the Yanks pay so much of his contract.

    • SierraM363 3 years ago

       I think his 5.15 era might have something to do with it.

      • $7562574 3 years ago

        yankees need to pay at least $18 million for the trade to be worth for the bucs.

    • MB923 3 years ago

      Yeah and Jeff Mathis is one of the best hitters in the game.

    • SoxPopuli 3 years ago

      I defy you to name me ONE team that AJ Burnett is the undisputed #1 starter on.

    • Phillies_Aces35 3 years ago

      He’s got #1 potential but #4/5 execution.

    • GoAwayNow 3 years ago

      Lol and Lackey is a number 2… C’mon pal have some objectivity.

      • notsureifsrs 3 years ago

        a.j. burnett
        john lackey
        barry zito
        carlos zambrano
        derek lowe

        the contract aces

        • Snoochies8 3 years ago

          don’t forget the mike hampton contract, that was a true showing that he was such an ace

          • notsureifsrs 3 years ago

             he’s in the bullpen with gil meche

          • MB923 3 years ago

            Kevin Brown the closer? 

    • Come on now.  That just isn’t true.  You can most likely count the teams that would put him in the top 2-3 on one hand.

  13. levendis 3 years ago

    im gonna miss the crazy SOB. He pitched better than most people give him credit for. He had one atrocious month, which ballooned his ERA. He was consitently around a low 4.00 ERA the whole year. He helped win us a WS, and I’ll never forget about that. hope he succeeds anywhere he goes

    • $7562574 3 years ago

      2.8, -0.5 and 1.1 are his war last three years. he has been bad!

      • levendis 3 years ago

        idc what WAR says, i saw every game he pitched last year, he wasnt as bad as people think

        • notsureifsrs 3 years ago

          some random fan’s internet testimony > objective data

          • levendis 3 years ago

            he was giving the Yankees 6-7 innings of 2-4 run ball almost every night. his ERA was low 4.00 throughout the year until that atrocious month of august. Yeah hes no all star, but he was solid, hes not abysmal like most people think.

        • $7562574 3 years ago

          your eyes can be very deceiving.

    • Outside NY, he will.

  14. tadoyle 3 years ago

    Burnett would also benefit from not being in the NYY fishbowl (and the expectations that come with it). If he pitched near 165 innings for the Pirates (possible in the NL), over 27 or 28 starts, with an ERA of 4.2 or so (seems possible, given the league difference), he’d be a valuable addition to the Pirates rotation. But on the NYY, that same pitching effort would likely result in 154 innings and a 5+ ERA (which would make it hard for Girardi to keep him in the NYY rotation).

  15. Josh Conn 3 years ago

    It would be worth it to the Yanks for the roster and financial flexibility.  It would definitely be worth it to the Bucs, who need a veteran fairly reliable starter.  And most of all it would be worth it to Burnett, who just needs to get out of NY:  it doesn’t say anything bad about him that he hasn’t pitched well there, dealing with the NY media is not for everyone.  It would not be worth it to give up a Garrett Jones, but in the end I think, and I hope, that this gets done.

    • Chris Barrows 3 years ago

      I agree – people seem to look at the CURRENT contract the Yankees have with this deal and not the amount of money the Yankees would be covering (instead of the amount the pirates would be paying). 

      • Super_Hero 3 years ago

         Pirates would be better off saving that 10 mill

  16. cano24 3 years ago

    According to Fangraphs WAR, AJ has been worth $5.6 and 6.7 mil the past two years, so he’s probably worth at least paying $10 mil of his remaining contract.  Less than that I think the Yanks just keep him.

  17. NickEdge 3 years ago

    Lets get this trade done. Yankees need to get rid of all the pollution.

  18. FillyPhan 3 years ago

    Really an update to tell us what the Pirates didnt offer. Come on. Next update will say “The Pirates didn’t offer to take 9million.” and then 3 hours later “The Pirates didn’t offer to take AJ without any cash”

    • I think you have that in reverse. And it at least helps us narrow down what the Pirates are looking for. Doesn’t mean they won’t eventually accept Burnett at $10 million, but it gives you an idea of where they’re currently sitting and how potentially far/close the two teams are to negotiating a deal. Would you rather just hear nothing? I’d like to believe not. 

  19. Todd Smith 3 years ago

    Edwin Jackson: 199.2 IP, 3.73 xFIP, 1.437 WHIP, 2.8 BB/9, 6.7 SO/9, $11MM/year

    AJ Burnett: 190.1 IP, 3.86 xFIP, 1.434 WHIP, 3.9 BB/9, 8.2 SO/9, $4MM/year

    Seems like a good gamble for the Pirates to take.  If they were willing to give Edwin Jackson $30MM, this looks like a steal.

    • Yankees want them to pay 5 million per year. So……off a million on your salaries, but definitely a worthwhile post :)

    • Super_Hero 3 years ago

       and yet the yankees are trying to get rid of him. AJ is a Yankee mistake and soon to be Pittsburgh mistake

      • Todd Smith 3 years ago

        Certainly would be a mistake to pay him $16MM a year.  That won’t be an issue for the Pirates.

  20. oh snap!!!

  21. i bet you that the redsox make more profit from their tv deal alone than the pirates make in a 3 year period on EVERYTHING.

  22. bito66 3 years ago

    trade burnett to cubs for soriano and the cub pitch in 20 million

  23. bito66 3 years ago

    burnett to cubs for soriano and 20 million dollars

    • Gibson17 3 years ago

      Makes no sense.  Soriano is in steep decline and signed for 3 more years.  No use for him from a production standpoint and why pay more for him to clog up a roster spot.

  24. CowboyJames 3 years ago

    In 2001 Ichiro won the ROY and MVP. Has anyone else ever done that?

  25. I’m not sure why Pit would want AJ. As a Yankee fan, I think would be great for the 25 man roster to move him. That being said, what about trading a bad contract for a bad contract? Instead of paying him to play on another team, trade him even up for a guy like Alfonso Soriano or Carlos Lee? I feel that trading him to the cubs might actually work well for both teams. Yes both teams would have a bloated salary for the player but the Yanks could use the bat for the DH/OF and the Cubs or Huston could use an experience starter

  26. please realize that 1. the pirates do own there stadium as stated by the city of Pittsburgh 2. the pirates need another pitcher and burnett is an excellent person to do that with. there starters will consist of: Erik Bedard, AJ Burnett, Kevin Correia, Jeff Karstens, and Charlie Morton. That sets for a pretty good pitching core and puts the pirates in better position to win.

  27. Floyd7070 3 years ago

    What I find interesting is that some folks seem to think the Pirates won’t be really competitive this year or next. Same has been said about the Astros, Orioles, Royals, etc. Probably true. However, the great thing about baseball is that you never know. You never know what team will surprise one year. It happens. That is one of my favorite aspects of the game…there is that unknown beauty that comes along every year, and it is intriguing, fascinating and marvelous.

  28. Wait a minute. The YANKEE$ have payroll concerns?? And they’re looking to the PIRATES for help?? My eyes must be going bad.

  29. I just CANNOT picture AJ in a Pirates uniform. lol 

  30. jondogg2010 3 years ago

    NYY would be wise to do this deal if PIT is willing to eat $10 MM………………….

    • levendis 3 years ago

      yeah i just saw this and i dont understand why the Yankees think they can get more than 10 mill in his deal. Theyre not going to get 1/2 of it taken. They should just accept it now

  31. jhfdssdaf 3 years ago

    Seems to me that we have a buyers market.  Pittsburgh is better with Burnett than without, but not likely to make a playoff run either way.  They really don’t need to eat too much in the way of salary or give up too much in the way of a prospect.

    Yankees want a DH, but have to clear salary to get one.  $5 million salary room would be enough to get Ibanez.  Pirates know this.  Why should they substantially increase the amount they are willing to pay?  If they do increase, why would they be willing to give up any real prospect?

    Sure, Yankees could start the season with Burnett in the rotation, and a lesser DH in the lineup.  The Pirates could go with their current starting five.  The Yankees are favored to win the AL East either way, and it would take alot more than Burnett to move Pittsburgh from the 4 spot in the NL Central.

    Yankees aren’t looking to just win the AL East, though.  They need the Pirates far more than Pittsburgh needs Burnett.  Unless another team can be duped into taking his salary, Pittsburgh should hold firm.  For that matter, if you’re Pittsburgh – offer Ibanez the $5 million the Yankees won’t accept for Burnett.  That should speed up the trade negotiations and reduce the Yankees’ demands.

    • Too Many Idiots 3 years ago

      And then Ibanez accepts the Pirates’ offer and they are screwed out of $5M.

  32. GriffeyandSizemore 3 years ago

    Cashman save your 10mil don’t be dumb!

  33. formerdraftpick 3 years ago

    “4:14pm: The Yankees are telling the Pirates that absorbing $10MM isn’t enough, Joel Sherman of the New York Post tweets.”  “4:15pm Yankee Fans tweet Yankees and tell them, it’s enough, take the money and run.”

    • JacobyWanKenobi 3 years ago

       That’s worth like 50 trillion dollars in team moral currency. Take it and run.

  34. baseballdude 3 years ago

    the yankees are getting greedy

  35. nestleraisinets 3 years ago

    Just give them the 10. If I were the Pirates, I would even have 2nd thoughts of eating 5 million…

    JUST DO IT!

  36. nictonjr 3 years ago

    He wants the Pirates to take on 1/2 the salary AND give something good back??  If you don’t want to trade him, just say so.
     
    If I’m the Pirates I’d eat 4 mil a year.  If Cash wants them to eat more, start adding prospects.  AJ at $8 mil a year and Banuelos?? Sold…

  37. jondogg2010 3 years ago

    As a die hard Red Sox fan it’s funny to see when the Yankees fail. As I wrote earlier, the Yankees have (capital H) to do this deal is Pittsburgh is willing to absorb 10MM. What are they holding out for? 15? Because I think Pitt is pulling $$ out of areas they didn’t know they didn’t have it in (not to take anything away fom the Pirates) to do 10MM! I’m going to laugh when the Pirates back off this deal, thus realizing they almost made a horrible horrible mistake.

    • reality20122013 3 years ago

      As a Yankee fan I loved it when the Sox failed last fall & continued to fail this winter…its a beautiful thing.

    • At least the Yankees have a reasonable rotation.

    • hardcoreforhardcore 3 years ago

      Fail? The Yankees, on paper, have a great rotation with a surplus of arms. They’re looking to remove a bad contract and free up some space for a dh on the payroll. The Yankees don’t have to do anything. They could just as easily slot Burnett into the 5th starter roll if they so felt it. It’s not like they’re trying to deal 6 years and 120 million that’s committed to a rapidly declining injured left fielder…

  38. Chillin_in_California 3 years ago

    Even though Burnett has struggled big time in NY the last couple seasons the guy still has above average stuff. Its not like he is helpless like barry zito and throws a high school fastball like zito does, he can still throw heat and has a nice breaking ball. I think a change of scenary and a league change will do wonders for him.

  39. slider32 3 years ago

    Burnett still has good stuff, and won a playoff game last year. He acually pitched better than CC in the playoffs. This is a good trade for both teams, AJ will give the Bucs innings and will pitch better in the NL.

    • tiger313 3 years ago

      even though im glad the tigers beat the yankees in the playoffs. That series was a huge joke. Rain every single game, our aces out, huge rain delays, canceled games. I would have loved to see that series playout without the rain.

      • MB923 3 years ago

        True but hey at least it came down to the end and the decisive game was only a 1 run game. Real baseball fans would take that all the time.

        • tiger313 3 years ago

          oh yeah, dont get me wrong, it was amazing. but the rain really ruined things. Game 5 put me through heart attacks, strokes, shock, everything.

          • roomwithamoose 3 years ago

            wow and you survived?! What’s your secret? but in all seriousness that rain just reminded me of every rainout last year, I felt like it rained every time the Yankees had a home game or at least threatened to. I don’t know if that happened to your Tigers throughout the season, but it gets frustrating.

          • tiger313 3 years ago

            Well everyone thought april was going to be pretty bad. If I remember right we had a ton of april home games, and not one rain out or delay. Then may hits and the clouds opened up and the gods poured upon us. I think we have a stretch of 20 games in a row without a break or something like that. Im hoping this year will be better, this very mild winter has me scared of whats in store for us.

  40. arthur3 3 years ago

    Burnett has shown himself to be an under-performing, overpaid, clubhouse headache in his time with the Yanks. There is little doubt that Burnett will not pitch another inning for this team. Why would any rational general manager want to pay more than $5 million annually for New York’s biggest nightmare?

    • slider32 3 years ago

      First of all, most free agents are overpaid. AJ has pitched in the AL East which is much tougher than the NL Central, and he has pitched 12 years in the majors with a lifetime record 121-111 record with a 4.10 ERA. AJ still has good stuff, the problem is he has dropped off the last 2 years. There have been many good pitchers that haven’t been able to pitch in NY. I would take a chance on him if I’m the Bucs, you have nothing to lose.

      • arthur3 3 years ago

        For a team payroll like the Pirates, the asking price of over 5 million annually is unlike “nothing to lose”. If Burnett cannot pitch for a team with a formidable line-up in New York, how can you expect him to win in Pittsburgh? As for the NL central, didn’t the NL Central’s second place team win the  World Series? I seem to remember reading that in one game last year, Burnett nearly blew a 17 run lead and was a clubhouse cancer/managerial nightmare for most of the season. It sounds like another Matt Morris deal for Pittsburgh…. too much salary for a pitcher who last pitched well five years ago.

        • slider32 3 years ago

          By the way AJ also one a playoff game last year, and out pitched CC in the playoffs. His overall track record is acually better than Don Larsen, plus AJ will give you 190-200 innings. The Bucs need another starter and no one seems to want to go their.

  41. If the Yankees expect Pittsburgh to take on more salary, they better throw in a prospect. Burnett’s not that great, so for the Pirates, giving up a decent player and paying Burnett over about 5 mill a year isn’t really worth it.

  42. bucs15 3 years ago

    It would be smart for the pirates to trade Jones to the Yankees for Burnett. Burnett’s numbers will improve in the NL and if the Yankees eat most of his salary it would be a great move for the Pirates.

  43. Runtime 3 years ago

    AJ will probably thrive in the NL.

  44. johnsilver 3 years ago

    Because when he gets the luxury of facing a pitcher and not a DH, plus weaker lineups in general he will improve like most older veterans do that switch leagues.

    you can look it up.. Lilly, Vazquez right away and more names escape me.. Guthrie will be the next, followed by Matsuzaka after 2012.

  45. I can think of one team that would be more than willing to kick the tires on such an arrangement and that would be the Cubs. Soriano’s contract is their last major contractual headache, they are dying to move him, and Burnett provides pitching depth at the very least (which is what Theo/Jed have been preaching about building since coming to Chicago).

  46. Blue387 3 years ago

    The NL Central is a weak division with Pujols and Fielder gone and Braun out for fifty games for his PED suspension. And you have teams like the Astros who are on pace to lose over 90 games.

  47. formerdraftpick 3 years ago

    They need a starter who can absorb more than 5-6 innings per game to give their bullpen a rest.  Burnett may provide that nice balance.  If you remember last year, the bullpen was begging for some extra help, which is why they obtained Grilli.  Although he is good, I’m not sure a 30-40 inning per year guy can offer much help.  I do commend the Pirates for going after Oswalt and Jackson even though the results yielded nada.  I know players don’t want to play for a “losing team” but the city is nice and the area is relaxing.  If offered the chance, I’d work there.

  48. Patrick Flynn 3 years ago

    Because the economics of baseball force the Pirates to overpay for has-beens and over the hills. 

  49. redsx968 3 years ago

    Over. No question

  50. MB923 3 years ago

    Depends on what team he goes to. If he goes to a small market team like Pittsburgh, certainly over. 

  51. Over

  52. pennypincher 3 years ago

    Over if the Yankees get someone, under if somehow Yankees doesn’t get anyone.  (Don’t know how, but yes.)

  53. AJ Burnett wouldnt even be the 6th starter on the Yankees.  They have Hughes for the 5 spot and Garcia to be the long man/fill in if someone gets hurt, there is just no place for him.  Yankees will eat 25 mil to make Burnett cost 4 mil per year.  He’ll provide good value for a team like the Pirates who need somone to eat 200 innings and prob have a low 4 ERA in the NL.  That extra 8 mil the yanks free off the books will be used for their lefty DH and then call it a day.  Good move for both teams

  54. Terry Hudson 3 years ago

    I dont want my 5th starter to have an ERA over 5. I would say a lot of teams have a 5th starter under that. Get rid of him!

  55. animal_strength 3 years ago

     how is it hindering the teams financial structure if we are saving money?

  56. dook83 3 years ago

    He’s 95% gone, my friend…

  57. john 3 years ago

    every division has bad teams. the orioles are a joke.

  58. formerdraftpick 3 years ago

    I don’t know.  The Astros are assembling a pretty good team.  I’m so curious to see the end result this year. 

  59. bleachercreature 3 years ago

    so are the Mets

  60.  Yes, but the Red Sox, Rays, and Blue Jays are not.

  61. YanksFanSince78 3 years ago

    The Orioles had a team OPS of .729. The Rays had the worst OPS of any AL East team at .724. 

    10 of the 16 NL teams had an OPS lower than .724 (the lowest OPS in the AL East) and 2 of those teams are opponents AJ would face often in the Astros and Cubs (who are now w/o Ramirez). Also, figure that the Brewers w/o Braun and w/o Braun for 50 games and the Cards w/o Pujols (even w/ Beltran) are not going to be as strong as they were in 2011.

    If you think that AJ COULD potentially benefit from not facing 3 of the top 12 teams in OPS, not having to pitch in Fenway or NYS, and not have to face the glaring media then I’m not sure what to say.

  62. Ry.the_Stunner 3 years ago

    Soriano has had ONE sub-.300 OBP season.  I wouldn’t say “can’t”.  You can’t go off of JUST last season’s stats for Soriano and then in the same sentence say that you can get that production from Andruw Jones (who hasn’t hit that many HRs since 2007).

  63. JacobyWanKenobi 3 years ago

    Definitely prefer to give Hughes a chance to bounce back.

  64. cubsfan97 3 years ago

    Dont get your hopes up!

  65. “The Astros are assembling a pretty good team.”
    ——–
    “Pretty good”?  Like who?  Duke and Hernandez don’t really fit that description, neither does Snyder.  Lowrie could be good but has missed alot of time the last few years.  They traded their closer.  Who has been added that makes up for the players they have lost in the last 1-2 years?

  66. johnsilver 3 years ago

    I see the point in wanting Jones.. he would be the somewhat economical replacement for swisher after next season and can’t see Jones salary getting anywhere near 6m after arbitration this winter and next winter, plus his bat does have the power of Swishers at least. For a team it seems looking to cut costs some? That aspect makes sense, but I don’t see the Bucs as willing to give him up for Burnett, even though I do believe Burnett will thrive in the NL, his value has bottomed out so much and he’s just no longer seen as anything but a #4-5 type innings eater now.

    BUT.. Back in the NL?? No reason for him to not fully resurrect his career and possibly become the guy he was in Toronto once again.

  67. The Astros don’t move to the American League until after this season.

  68. redsx968 3 years ago

    It’s not Disqus it’s MLBTR. It’s frustrating, but at the same time I guess there’s a large demographic using the site, so I understand. Also everyone hated Bleacher Creature or whatever, so that explains the caps rule

  69. Phil Hughes doesn’t even need to bounce back; after he came off the DL, he was pretty solid in his starts (although he had one rough relief outing).

  70. $7562574 3 years ago

    2.8 war is not that great of a year.

  71. $7562574 3 years ago

    hey, manny was once a dominant player, you know.

  72. GoAwayNow 3 years ago

    Rhetoric does not a good argument make.

  73. MB923 3 years ago

    First of all I’m not crying, its more of sammykhalifa and white angus who are.

    “if your team cant afford to pay then sell the bussiness”

    My avatar should give away what team I am a fan of.

  74. chico65 3 years ago

    No, attracting people to Pittsburgh forces the Pirates to overpay 😉

  75. formerdraftpick 3 years ago

    It is also a rehab center.

  76. redsx968 3 years ago

    just because Y is “seomtimes” a vowel, does not mean it is ‘an’ year. A year. Please. sometimes I think we should have a basic grammar test. I hate to be a stickler, but come on….

  77. Patrick Flynn 3 years ago

    Best park in baseball.  Fans that are rabid to have a winning team.  Great city listed by numerous publications as the best place to live in the country. 

    I’m not stupid to say that people don’t want to play here and that’s on the management team and owner.  Guys at the end of careers want championships and thats not gonna happen.  Younger guys want money and term and thats not gonna happen either.   

  78. HobokenMetsFan 3 years ago

    plus the pirates have one of the nicer stadiums ive ever had the pleasure to attend a game in

  79. captainjeter 3 years ago

    Burnett can be  a  head scratcher . But, he does  take the ball every 5  days and  does give  you 6-7 innings for most of his starts.
    Name one Pirate pitcher that does that . None. Even if you are not a competitive  team , you need  to fill those innings  or you are  going to  burn out your   bullpen. Burnett would provide  relief for the pen.
    Huntington needs to come back to reality. If  he is not willing to give the Yanks Garett Jones or even an okay  prospect in return , he needs to absorb   more of Burnett’s remaining  33 milion.
    To ask the Yankees to eat  23- 25  million is not only unfair but makes this not a fair trade for both teams.
    Yankees should only have toeat  18-20  million of this contract. But, the Pirates  are basing this on what Lowe is getting paid, which is 5  milion. They keep forgetting that they can’t get a free agent to sign with them. Jackson turned them down and they were more than willing to offer him the monies and years he wanted,

  80. captainjeter 3 years ago

    aparently he does not understand that. Burnett would not have to deal with the pitchers or in alot of cases a decent hitting catcher.

  81. Plus, Pittsburgh boasts a stadium that slightly favors pitchers, specially flyball pitchers. Also, Burnett’s August was so incredibly bad that there is just no way he can repeat it. Even being half as bad a he was in August last year he would’ve had the worst month of his season. Removing that month and replacing it with one similar to the rest of his season, plus adjusting for park, league and division and I think that Burnett would be equal or better than any of the Pirates’ starters from last year.

  82. Lunchbox45 3 years ago

    its not even just older not so good pitchers

    even high tier pitchers such as Lee and Doc have seen their numbers improve from coming out of the AL .

  83.  Burnett is way more valuable than Soriano.

  84.  The first time I have heard of Jones was through this trade. Just looking at his stats, he seems like a solid pickup. I can understand the Pirates holding on this one. He will absolutely hit more HR at yankee stadium, much like any LH bat. For the Yankees sake…..I hope it gets done :)

  85. WeDontNeedToFinPracticeRANDY 3 years ago

    No way the White Sox will or should move Dunn…Yes it was an epically terrible season, but the guy has posted over 100 RBIs 6 out of the last 7 seasons before this last year and has been all but a lock for 40 HRs over the same period. He might’ve been struggling through some injury that he neglected to bring up seeing as it was his first year under a fairly hefty contract. Or he could’ve just had something off mechanically. Who knows…But you don’t give up on a guy like that after an outlier season. 

  86. Too Many Idiots 3 years ago

    Because Dunn is on the books for $15M in 2014.  The Yankees’ goal is to be below the $189M luxury tax threshold in 2014.  Burnett, trade or no trade, is off the books in 2013.  Only way the Yankees make this trade is if the White Sox paid all of his salary in 2014, and that will NOT happen. 

  87. tiger313 3 years ago

    The guy came back fast, really fast from his appendectomy. I honestly think that compensating from have an exploded organ in your abdomen played a huge part in why he had the year he had.

  88. Thomas Wilson 3 years ago

    From 1999-2009 Burnett posted a 112 ERA+ his first year in New York he posted a 114 ERA+ the last 2 years he has been awful, and don’t blame new Yankee Stadium he has been worse on the road.

  89. MB923 3 years ago

    That’s why it could be smart, like the Rays did with Longoria and Mariners did with Felix, to give them extensions early on in their career.

  90. formerdraftpick 3 years ago

    Personally, I think it is interesting all of the up and coming prospects who can immediately contribute to the club considering their financial restraints.   

  91. toddcoffeytime 3 years ago

    Nor are the Brewers, Cardinals, and Reds…the NL Central has its bad teams, yes, but thats 3 solid teams at the top.

  92. formerdraftpick 3 years ago

    Check out the 40 man roster on MLB com.  They have more than Duke and Hernandez.  Snyder is definitely an upgrade from last years catching situation.  I’m just curious to see what happens. 

  93. formerdraftpick 3 years ago

    Over

  94. formerdraftpick 3 years ago

    and void

  95. actually, when he’s on, Burnett is a ground ball pitcher…  but youre right on.

  96. if this is sarcasm, well done sir!

  97. …  and a franchise valued to be at the bottom of MLB.  this is the main reason why its always going to be hard to attract top free agents.

  98. redsx968 3 years ago

    Edit. I am dumb. Read that wrong.

  99. thanks for the toss under the bus.

  100. WeDontNeedToFinPracticeRANDY 3 years ago

    He hit .128 in September…I’m sure the appendectomy had something to do with it towards the beginning of the season, but a laproscopic appendectomy wouldn’t be felt that late. I think there’s something more to it. Either way, I expect the big guy to return to full form this season.

  101. MB923 3 years ago

    Sorry :(

  102. None of those teams are as strong as the AL East teams, and Prince Fielder/Albert Pujols aren’t even there anymore.

  103. YanksFanSince78 3 years ago

    And two of those teams have lost two of their best hitters and won’t have the other for 50 games. How does that get lost? 

  104. MB923 3 years ago

    It could cripple them but don’t you think that’s a chance they have to take? The Pirates attendance went up 5000 last year. That might nto seem like a lot, but that’s a 25% increase from the year before, and I’m pretty sure McCuthen had a lot to do with that too.

    As I said, keep bringing up salary cap all you want. It will not work without a salary floor. It will limit the Yankees spending but it’s also going to boost your Pirates’ spending. And as you said, an extension might cripple them, so imagine if a salary cap came along? They’d have no choice.

    Giving him an extension would be the smartest thing the Pirates can do. Whether or not he accepts it is another story, but if there have been no talks, then that’s the Pirates fault

  105. johnsilver 3 years ago

    Pirates are still sort of high on him as more than a platoon guy as they seem to not be willing to swap him out for Burnett so far and also.. Remember Swisher came to NY with a reputation as weak vs lefties as recall.

    Now am not saying that Jones is some kind of all star here by any meas, but that NY was thinking ahead here and Jones as *just* a platoon player at the least in 2013.

    it could all be for naught anyway.. NY hang onto Burnett, him turn around his NY career a bit with his contract winding down even and then head on over to the NL.. We just don’t know.

  106. Numbers are the tools a fool uses to measure a pitcher. If AJ started on any other team he is a #1. Girardi abused him emotionally and tactically the last 2 years. He is the pitcher we saw the first season he had in NY. Did you see his playoff starts the last few years?

  107. johnsilver 3 years ago

    Exactly. Bay could have gotten 60m or so from several teams, but Boston and bay had a deal for…What was it?? 4/60m at the AS break and Boston voided it over him failing his physical and his knee?

    So there was red flags.

  108. johnsilver 3 years ago

    “You know how I know the Rays are a hopeless franchise (revenuewise)?”

    One day (you ever get a chance) take a trip to the Dumpster dome and see how horrible their current situation revenue wise is.. Location wise, then to watch a game once inside and all will make itself clear.

  109. tiger313 3 years ago

    yeah but him having to change his whole swing because of the pain could have caused him to get out of sync the whole season. Either way I was really dissapointed. He has been one of my favorite players. I hope he does well this year except when facing the Tigers. At least when Dunn hits the ball I dont have to worry about miggy or prince trying to field it.

  110. CowboyJames 3 years ago

    Awesome, Thanks

  111. Floyd7070 3 years ago

    Yes, anything can happen. Too bad you are too pessimistic to appreciate that anything can happen in baseball and using the possibility of using nukes as an analogy. 

  112. Size for one. He has the size of an ace. Mentality, if not for Girardi, He would have that. Stuff, He has the stuff of an ace. Playoff results, they are ace like. Contract, that is ace like. Thats all the proof you need.

  113. johnsilver 3 years ago

    For the most part. I think even when the reverse happens.. Like Garza last year.. it will right itself in 2012 and he will rebound to become what the cubs thought they were getting if they don’t move him.

    Now.. Garza was coming from an extreme pitcher’s park to an extreme hitters park, so that was a challenge, but Garza is a top quality pitcher regardless and expect him to do even better than he did the 2nd half of 2011.

  114. notsureifsrs 3 years ago

    “i didn’t notice much of a difference”

    – matt garza

  115. With one less year on his bloated contract, to boot.

  116. $7562574 3 years ago

    even in the angels? are you kidding me?

  117. $7562574 3 years ago

    thanks, man! it must have slipped through my mind.

  118. easy to read that one wrong with no puncuation

  119. Loomer55 3 years ago

    Good point that’s not often brought out.  I believe he’d do better in the NL, but due to the overall weaker league, rather than just the pitcher/DH switch. 

  120. Runtime 3 years ago

    Absolutely. The talent level is also much lower in the NL (sorry, if you are a fan of the NL)

  121. crashcameron 3 years ago

    “extreme pitcher’s park”? tampa??
    “extreme hitter’s park” wrigley?? depends on which way the wind is blowing, doesn’t it?
    i think you’re being extreme with the use of the word

  122. Lunchbox45 3 years ago

    I dont understand what you mean with Garza..

    he switched over the NL pretty well did he not?

  123. Yankees420 3 years ago

    Garza posted career bests in ERA, FIP, xFIP, K/9, HR/9, SIERA, tERA, and fWAR, all while his BABIP went up .30 points from any season he had in TB.  I think the Cubs are and should be very pleased with his ’11 performance. 

  124. johnsilver 3 years ago

    Tampa is an extreme pitchers park in most sense’s of the word by AL standards.. Now.. compared to some of those horrendous places in the NL.. LA, Land Shark, Petco, SF etc..  it is mild.

    But in the AL, only Oakland and Safeco would be worse.

    Wrigley? come on.. Only in the spring is it even remotely a pitchers park.. regardless of the wind factor.. That is like saying the wind makes fenway a pitchers park..

  125. formerdraftpick 3 years ago

    :)

  126. xcal1br 3 years ago

    Not for nothin’, but who won three of the last four World Series?  Oh that’s right, the National League.  Peace!

  127. PinstripeLife 3 years ago

    OK .. Those were miracle wins by epic AL collapse in the WS.  The Phils were the last to earn it in 08.

    Plus now the NL lost Albert & Fielder – 2 MVP candidates .. yea i’d say the NL is weaker at the plate than the Al for sure!

  128. xcal1br 3 years ago

    True, but that is what makes baseball the greatest sport in the world.  It is still the only sport where the most talented team does not always win the prize.  Even a relatively mediocre team can win the World Series.  It’s been done many times.

  129. johnsilver 3 years ago

    Early on he struggled some with the transition. Why mentioned the 2nd half he was MUCH much better.

  130. formerdraftpick 3 years ago

    See sarcasm comment above.  You are late to the party.

  131. MB923 3 years ago

    There’s a difference between “should” winning and being the favored to win. Just because the Yankees have the highest payroll doesn’t mean they are the best team. Before 2009, the Mets and Cubs were the 2 highest, if not 2 of the highest paid teams in the NL for quite some time and still are today. Should we consider them better than the Diamondbacks, Cardinals, Braves, etc., all whom have lower payrolsl than them?

    If the Yankees missed out on the playoffs for several years, it’s a different story. But winning the division 7 of the last 10 years, making it to the playoffs 9 of the last 10 years, and winning a WS in the last 10 years, I wouldn’t say is Failure. 

    And if you call that a failure, then what do you call your Red Sox team who increased their payroll about $20 million each of the past 2 seasons and missed the playoffs each time?

  132. MB923 3 years ago

    It’s not about the most money, it’s about the most talent. Vernon Wells was the 2nd highest paid player in 2011. Yes, Vernon Wells. This is a guy who would probably be a 4th OFer on almost every single MLB team. AJ Burnett and John Lackey were 2 of hte highest paid pitchers, these are guys who are fortunate to even be in starting rotations to begin with.

    You, as a Red Sox fan, and I as a Yankee fan, know a few things about bad contracts.

  133. MB923 3 years ago

    I wonder why @notsureifsrs:disqus responses to you got removed. Seemed innocent to me.

  134. MB923 3 years ago

    Seemed that 19 inning loss to the Braves turned their season around lol

  135. bayareabeast 3 years ago

    its starting to get annoying seeing those everywhere, they should remove the posts all together.

  136. captainjeter 3 years ago

    maybe so . But  in internet language all caps is taboo. It means you are screaming

  137. You must be joking…

  138. monroe_says 3 years ago

    so what’s the Cubs’ excuse?

  139. FunkyTime 3 years ago

    True, but that’s a point for the AL having more talent.  Not against it.

  140. Yankees420 3 years ago

    What does the amount of money per win have to do with offensive talent level?

  141. johnsilver 3 years ago

    Why is everyone missing the end of my post???

    ” expect him to do even better than he did the 2nd half of 2011.”

    Garza initially had a few struggles with the Cubbies and got stronger as the season progressed…

  142. xcal1br 3 years ago

    I clearly said “relatively” mediocre.  I don’t think the Cubs have surpassed pathetic since 1984, iirc.  :)

  143. xcal1br 3 years ago

    Why are you on a baseball board if you don’t think baseball is the greatest sport in the world?

  144. roberty 3 years ago

    The Mets scored 718 runs last year.  Yeah, they’re a bad team, but their offense was actually pretty good.  

  145. xcal1br 3 years ago

    I actually agree that the AL has more talented players overall.  I was just making the point that the most talented players do not always guarantee a winning team.

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