Yankees, Pirates Talking A.J. Burnett Trade

9:50pm: Talks were ongoing as of Friday evening, according to Bill Brink of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, and do not include Garrett Jones. Brink adds that Bucs are more receptive to taking on salary than moving a player or prospect.

4:14pm: The Yankees are telling the Pirates that absorbing $10MM isn't enough, Joel Sherman of the New York Post tweets.

3:47pm: The Pirates appear to be willing to absorb $10MM in a trade, Heyman tweets. The Yankees have been pushing for an even split and seek an OK prospect in return. Heyman tweets that the chances of a deal remain "decent." The clubs are talking, but aren't close to a deal, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports tweets. The Pirates are also looking at other starters.

12:34pm: There seems to be a fair amount of optimism about a deal, Heyman tweets.

10:28am: The Pirates haven't yet offered to pay $10MM of the $33MM remaining on Burnett's contract, Heyman tweets.

7:57am: The Yankees and Pirates continue discussing a possible A.J. Burnett trade, Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com reports. The Yankees are willing to pay a substantial portion of the $33MM remaining on the right-hander’s contract through 2013, but the teams are still a few million apart. The Yankees first asked the Pirates to pay well over $11MM, Heyman writes.

The Yankees want to create payroll room for a designated hitter and appear to be leaning toward Raul Ibanez, perhaps because they prefer his ability to play the outfield. Johnny Damon and Eric Chavez also intrigue the Yankees as possible free agent additions, according to Heyman. The Pirates rejected the Yankees’ request for Garrett Jones, Heyman writes.

Joel Sherman of the New York Post reports that Burnett’s no-trade list includes all of the teams on the West Coast (Twitter links). Sherman expects the Yankees to trade Burnett before Spring Training and suggests the team is waiting to see if the Pirates or another club offers to absorb more money.


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268 Comments on "Yankees, Pirates Talking A.J. Burnett Trade"


NYYANKEES
3 years 6 months ago

Pirates are downright sad. I don’t mind if AJ stays or goes. But the Pirates doing this thinking they will do anything in 2012 & 2013 is laughable

3 years 6 months ago

give the pirates the Yankees revenue for one season and get back to me.

3 years 6 months ago

Ahh this argument again. The Yankees, and Brian Cashman have to spend the money correctly to build a winner. If you gave the Pirates front office of the early 00’s (not sure if it’s the same one as today) that money, they would probably put the same team on the field and added that east wing to their houses they’ve always wanted. 

Let me stop you before you begin, Cashman doesn’t always spend smartly but he’s human he’s allowed to make mistakes.

3 years 6 months ago

you may be right, but the McLatchey era is over.  and yes, cashman has to spend wisely.  but the Yankees have such an advantage.  FACTS:  Pirates are the least valuable team in MLB.  Pirates do not own their stadium.  Pirates dont even make money from parking.  Pirates are not a world wide iconic brand that generates money just from name recognition alone.

The yankees can afford a mistake or three, just like Burnett for example.  The pirates cant afford a $16MM a year mistake ONCE.

johnsilver
3 years 6 months ago

You forgot to throw in severely economically depressed area in general to draw from. That never helps.

The Pirates were never world winners at drawing back when they had Stargell, Parker,Moreno, Candy Man, Stennett.. Can go back further even and the Clemente, Veale era.. the team never did light up the turn styles.

Not hammering them here, just only in short spurts did they draw good and always did like the old Buc teams, just never were consistently good at drawing.

Patrick Flynn
3 years 6 months ago

Economically depressed area?  You must not know anything about Pittsburgh anymore because it is not economically depressed.  Not by any stretch. 

johnsilver
3 years 6 months ago

Long time since been to the area, granted.. Am from WV originally and many of the steel mills were in trouble when was there last is what based that on.

Patrick Flynn
3 years 6 months ago

No worries.  The problem is that tv sells Pittsburgh as a steel town still.  It’s on all Monday Night Football games when the Steelers play and they show steel mills.  Not like that at all.  Pittsburgh came through that and is now a leading area in education, technology and the medical fields.  cost of living is low and the real estate market was never really hurt.

Still a small market though and until the economics of baseball change to be fair to all teams, they will struggle.  Or until someone like Mark Cuban can buy the team.   

3 years 6 months ago

99% correct except the Cuban part.

levendis
3 years 6 months ago

thanks for clearing this up, the media potrays pittsburgh like its a total dump and struggling to just exist. I was clueless on the matter, so glad to know things arent as bad as we are lead to believe

3 years 6 months ago

Until the late 2000s, the Yankees didn’t own their stadium either. They still don’t make money from parking (the city and state have that money). It really does come down to putting together a good on-field product.

3 years 6 months ago

I was referring to just the pirates and how little revenue they get, not necessarily about comparing stadiums and parking.  but how about this:  next time you go to Singapore and see a kid wearing a Pirates cap, then we’ll argue about money, because the “NY” logo is everywhere.

the Pirates could win just like the Rays and also still draw fans just like the Rays.  Dont forget that.

MB923
3 years 6 months ago

The Pirates needed a better front office. As proven by the Rays
success the past 4 years, who happen to be in the same division as the 2
highest paid teams in the AL, money doesn’t always guarantee success
and you can win with little money. Don’t blame the Pirates failures
solely on lack of money. You can complain about the money issue all you want but if your front office is terrible (and the Pirates was for the past 15 years or so), then you should fault your own team more so than hating on another team’s success.

As far as fan base goes, ummm, well, something I can’t really argue for either side.

Blue387
3 years 6 months ago

There was a Sports Illustrated article in 2010 on the Pirates and there is a quote which surprised me.

“For perspective, the Pirates reportedly will earn $24 million in gate receipts for this entire season. For further perspective, the Yankees can earn that much in ticket sales for a seven-game homestand.”

3 years 6 months ago

Yeah…you don’t really need parking revenue when you have a cable deal paying you 300 million a year, or whatever obscene number it is. 

boomer1344
3 years 6 months ago

You must remember that for all their brand that sells, it goes to a pool under MLB marketing and each team gets an equal share. plus the money they get form the yanks in revenue sharing is a joke that the pirates don’t spend more. and Tampa has a much better team, and about the same payroll.

tacko
3 years 6 months ago

It’s not an equal share. Teams only share 34% of their gate revenue. So the Yankees only share 34% of the revenue from the 45,000+ fans it gets each home game and keep 66%. Meanwhile the Pirates only draw less than 20,000 fans per home game.

Baseball is unlike football, which splits pretty much 50% of each team’s gate revenue among its league. That’s why the degree of competitive balance in the NFL is so much higher than that of the MLB.

boomer1344
3 years 6 months ago

i said the marketing pool, shirts, hats etc. if you think that the pirates sell more named stuff than the yankees, or even more that the 1/30 that they get, you need to think it out better.

12in12
3 years 6 months ago

That and the fact that there is a hard salary cap in football.

sammykhalifa
3 years 6 months ago

 Ahhh THIS argument again.  Yes, a team with money still needs to make good choices.  They can also just shrug off the bad ones without ruining the franchise for years.  Unless, that is, you’re honestly saying that a team with a billion dollar TV contract is on equal footing with one that gets like 10-15M a year. 

sammykhalifa
3 years 6 months ago

 Was the money Cashman spent on AJ Burnett spent correctly?  If so, why is he trying to dump him off?  If not, it must be true that Cashman doesn’t need to spend money correctly to build a winner.  Yeah, nobody always makes the right choice, as you said.  The difference is that in this case he can just shrug it off and go get someone else.  It’s a totally different animal.

3 years 6 months ago

 Yes, the money on Burnett was spent correctly. He was an instrumental piece on a championship the following year. The Yankees had to overpay to lure him in, but still, those are risks teams in “win now” mode take on a regular basis (look at the Angels’ offseason or at the Phillies’ roster). And it payed. He regressed far worse than anyone had expected, but it was not universally criticized. Some times regressions happen that you can’t anticipate (I.E. John Lackey).

johnsilver
3 years 6 months ago

Jim Hendry had it and look where it got the Cubs.

HobokenMetsFan
3 years 6 months ago

Omar minaya and the Mets come to mind as well….

3 years 6 months ago

Yes, the Yankees have to spend wisely….Hideki Irabu, Jose Contreras, Kevin Brown, Javier Vazquez, Aaron Boone, Carl Pavano….those huge financial errors have crippled their spending!!!  Are you serious?  Their huge revenue and market allow them to cover for HUGE errors time and time again.  Comparing the Pirates to the Yanks is apples to Oranges…if anything given the advantages the Yankees are afforded their performance over the last 10 years is laughable….

3 years 6 months ago

None of those contracts were bad going in, except for Kevin Brown, probably, and he was ace material acquired for essentially nothing (there’s only one good Weaver). Pavano’s injury was not predictable and he has shown that he is a competent starter. Vazquez’s failures with the Yankees are a complete anomaly according to his career line. Contreras and Irabu (R.I.P.) were a failure, but were highly pursued pitchers and Contreras showed for a time that he was championship material (with the White Sox). There’s a difference between a failure and bad spending.

You want contracts that are failures? Look for Darren Dreifort, Carlos Lee, Jason Bay, Alfonso Soriano, Ryan Howard, Andruw Jones (with the Dodgers), Oliver Perez and (yes, I admit it) even A-Rod’s current one as examples. A bad contract is one in which the team largelly outbids himself and overpays going in, no matter how good or bad the results end up being and without the need of using the contract as a statement of market competitiveness (like Jayson Werth’s contract with the Nationals, Magglio Ordonez’s first contract with the Tigers or even Jose Reyes’s current deal).

MB923
3 years 6 months ago

Kevin Brown and Vazquez were traded for. So was Aaron Boone if I believe.

3 years 6 months ago

yes, Brown was signed to the first $100MM dollar deal by the Dodgers.

3 years 6 months ago

I know he was traded, I made reference to that. Still, the point was made about how the Yankees spend their money and ability to accomodate contracts into their payroll. 

MB923
3 years 6 months ago

“if anything given the advantages the Yankees are afforded their performance over the last 10 years is laughable…. ”

You’re from VA it appears by you’re profile, I’ll lean towards an Orioles fan. What’s more laughable is an Orioles fan laughing at the Yankees. Your team has one of if not the worst owners in all of sports.

johnsilver
3 years 6 months ago

“Your team has one of if not the worst owners in all of sports”

Hey now.. I like the Fish, but please don’t forget who there owner is when ranking the worst owners…

MB923
3 years 6 months ago

Id still say Angelos is worse

3 years 6 months ago

Nope, actually I’m a Bucco fan which certainly does not preclude them from the worst ownership in sports argument!!  No argument, my Bucco’s are a laughing stock…have been for nearly 20 years.  As a baseball fan though I feel given the Yanks huge payroll advantage(for example nearly 2-1 over last years World Series teams) they have greatly underachieved over the last 10 years.  Whether they sign or trade for large contracts, their ability to absorb “busts” gives them a distinct competitive advantage.  The fact that the Yanks are willing to “eat” the equivalent of 25 percent of the Pirates payroll over the next 2 years to make Burnett disappear says as much.  The current system is slanted greatly in their favor(as also with Boston, Philly, NYM, and several others to a lesser degree) which is the way MLB wants it…Give Cashman a 45 million dollar payroll and I would suspect his performance would be comparable to Huntington.  1 WS ring in 10 years given their huge advantages is to me “laughable”… especially considering the current MLB financial structure makes rooting for the Yanks kind of like rooting for Walmart!

MB923
3 years 6 months ago

Still not as laughable as 18 consecutive losing seasons. Laugh all you want but with all due respect, the pirates are one of the worst teams in sports. A pirates fan laughing at the Yankees is like a bills fan laughing at the steelers, or an islanders fan laughing at the penguins. And ill even diss one of ny other favorite teams, a knicks fan laughing at the Lakers

To edit this at 12:30 AM EST – Maybe the Knicks at least for 1 night can laugh at the Lakers

crashcameron
3 years 6 months ago

actually, to cross sports in your post, the Islanders are the Pirates! once the home of teams dominant in their eras that homes of horrendous/clown show management/front offices/ownerships

MB923
3 years 6 months ago

Very true. Although back in the mid 00’s the Isles were a pretty solid team, but now they are a wrecking crew.

MB923
3 years 6 months ago

Cashman would have to run an organization completely different if he had $45 million. As I said in the past, comparing big market GMs and small market GMs is apples to oranges

slider32
3 years 6 months ago

That’s all garbage, in the past 10 years the Giants, Marlins, Diamondbacks, and Cards have won the series. With the addition of another wild card the champion will become random. The team that gets hot at the end of the season will win, like the Giants and Cards. The best teams no longer win.

MB923
3 years 6 months ago

What does that have to do with what I said though?

MB923
3 years 6 months ago

You’d expect them to be a 95 win team then? 

formerdraftpick
3 years 6 months ago

96

3 years 6 months ago

more money couldnt hurt.  the team will still have the young talented players to build around. 

MB923
3 years 6 months ago

I agree it wouldn’t hurt, but we would have no idea how they would use it.

jjs91
3 years 6 months ago

 I’d be more inclined to care if the last great prospect they developed and then lost wasn’t aramis ramierez.

goner
3 years 6 months ago

The Pirates didn’t lose Ramirez, MLB *forced* the Pirates to trade Ramirez as a salary dump, because they didn’t meet MLB’s debt-to-equity ratio.  Look it up… google the phrase ‘Pirates prez says debt is manageable’.

In contrast, when the Mets had debt problems recently, did MLB make them trade David Wright? 

pirateswillwinin2013
3 years 6 months ago

Whats so laughable? Burnett and Bedard stay healthy they could easily be in the race in a weaker NL Central

3 years 6 months ago

agreed

chico65
3 years 6 months ago

Bedard staying healthy is certainly laughable though

3 years 6 months ago

not necessarily.  his arm, in fact, was fine last year.  his injury wasnt arm related which is why this is a good signing.  and he still tossed 130 innings.  Add 5 more starts to that number and hes up there around Morton and McDonald already.

Ron Loreski
3 years 6 months ago

The Pirates have a very good young core that is still 1-2 years away from prime. Plus they have VERY good pitching that should be MLB ready at some point in 2013.

toddcoffeytime
3 years 6 months ago

Tabata, McCutchen, and….who else?  I agree they have some nice prospects, especially pitching prospects, but they just do not have a young core nearing their prime.

3 years 6 months ago

seriously?  Im sure Ron wasnt trying to imply that the lineup was full of allstars, but cmon man, the young guys do have a chance of being very good.

seeking28
3 years 6 months ago

Go on “take the money and run”…

indybucfan
3 years 6 months ago

This just magnifies a glaring problem with baseball that the powers that be refuse to acknowledge! Teams like the Yankees can pay a guy like Burnett, 25 million to go away, while a small market team like the Pirates, needs that much money of his salary paid in order to make the deal worth it. It’s really sad from both sides. I long for the day when baseball will wise up and get a salary cap with both a ceiling and a floor.

JacobyWanKenobi
3 years 6 months ago

Yeah but they were going to give him the money anyway. It’s perfectly fair and logical that teams can pay part of the salaries of players they wish to trade. If anything, it helps the smaller teams, because they get higher market talent, for the most part, for less than market value.

If you had a less wealthy franchise, would you rather spend a few million on a Doug Davis/Sergio Mitre or take a >small< risk on AJ Burnett who has the potential to be really good?

Also, I don't see how people can blame teams for having more money. It just sounds like "No fair, they're better at running a business than we are."

$7562574
3 years 6 months ago

the reason for more financial parity is because the rich teams play poor teams to earn all that money. if the poor teams close doors and the yankees have to play the sox all season long what fun is there?

3 years 6 months ago

The only way the poor teams would have to shutter their doors realistically was if they DID put in a salary cap because it would include a salary floor, and most likely one that was around $100 million which is what it is in the NFL where revenues for the league are not all that different.

MB923
3 years 6 months ago

Why would a Salary Floor be at $100 million? That’s ridiculous.
 

Chris Barrows
3 years 6 months ago

I’m not sure if the floor would be 100 million – but it would certainly be a lot higher than many teams are currently at or want to be at.

3 years 6 months ago

Why does baseball need a salary cap? What will it fix? I’ve been dying to hear someone with a good argument!

sammykhalifa
3 years 6 months ago

 Ever heard of the NFL?

MB923
3 years 6 months ago

Yes but a salary cap is not solely why the NFL is more competitive. A short schedule surely does help too.

There’s a salary cap in the NBA too. And that’s maybe an 8 team league.

3 years 6 months ago

Ever heard that they have more teams in the playoffs every year and only about have of the teams in the league have won a Superbowl?

Snoochies8
3 years 6 months ago

notice how it’s usually the same teams making the super bowl? you hardly ever teams like the equivilant of the rays or rockies making the world series

MB923
3 years 6 months ago

For starters, it prevents high market teams from spending overboard on all star free agents.

3 years 6 months ago

However, just because you have so many stars does not guarantee that you will even make the playoffs. It often is about growing talent…and those teams that have been bad for so long have simply done horribly in that regard—i.e., the Pirates.

MB923
3 years 6 months ago

Yes the Pirates and Orioles. 2 franchises that have played poorly for quite some time and for quite some time still had below average farm systems. Thankfully the Pirates have move in the top 10 but the Orioles are still the 2nd worst in the AL East.

3 years 6 months ago

Those two teams have not evaluated talent properly and have had poor drafts for years that is their down fall. Also don’t these teams get revenue shares?? If there is a salary cap they will be losing that extra money.

$7562574
3 years 6 months ago

revenue shares are peanuts from the giving teams’ point and walnuts for the receiving team. it definitely needs to change. don’t get me wrong. my team turned into a giving team around ten years ago but the game of baseball needs to achieve somewhat of a payroll parity.

3 years 6 months ago

Luckily they are changing Revenue sharing so that the teams in the 15 largest markets are disqualified from receiving revenue sharing proceeds.  A good change in my book.  If you are in a big market and still can’t bring in revenue than it’s on the owners.

$7562574
3 years 6 months ago

i agree with you except one thing; it is not enough.

boomer1344
3 years 6 months ago

if there was a salary cap, does that mean we can get rid of the scam nown as premium team pricing? every team would be the same then. of course the smaller markets complain about the rich teams getting richer, but when the schedule comes out, they all want and promote the richer teams, especially the interleague games.

3 years 6 months ago

and cue braves fans’ entrance music…

animal_strength
3 years 6 months ago

you are speaking of a payroll cap, not a salary cap which would limit how much a player makes.

and a payroll cap would do absolutely nothing in terms of making teams more or less competitive. teams would still rebuild; the “floor” would have teams like the pirates just over it. And the pirates get plenty of money from the yankees through revenue sharing, so no complaints to begin with.

$7562574
3 years 6 months ago

just look at the competitiveness of the baseball pre-bud and post-bud. even a yankee fan would be a little smarter.

wickedkevin
3 years 6 months ago

FACT:  Baseball has the most championship parity in any US Sport since 2000.

indybucfan
3 years 6 months ago

Thanks for sharing that meaningless tidbit Mr Selig!

Rick Buckholz
3 years 6 months ago

The cancer that is AJ Burnett will not be on the Yankees this year. If they’re willing to absorb that much money then they are highly motivated to get rid of him. He can only improve being in the NL and out of the AL East. He’s an innings eater, and clearly no legitimate starting pitcher is willing to sign-up with the Pirates, so why not.

$7562574
3 years 6 months ago

why is your team trying to throw a cancer to someone else’s lap?

pirateswillwinin2013
3 years 6 months ago

Ill Go Tim Alderson for AJ Burnett thats about it, While the Yankees pick up the whole contract

UltimateYankeeFan
3 years 6 months ago

My friend I can tell by your moniker you’re a dreamer and eternal optimist.

pirateswillwinin2013
3 years 6 months ago

Nah I’m a realist, with a sarcastic twist… What do you really think your boy Burnett is worth with a 5 + era the last two seasons n owed over 30 million?? You sir overvalue your beloved Yankees.

UltimateYankeeFan
3 years 6 months ago

…and talks between the 2 teams continue.  Regardless of what ultimately happens at this point that’s a good sign for the Yankees and Yankees fans.

BTW, the Yankees will probably wind up eating $24 or $25MM of the $33MM and they will be better off for it.  At least that’s my opinion.

dook83
3 years 6 months ago

I think the Yankees learned their lesson about signing non-elite pitchers to huge contracts.  This was a major driving force behind the Pineda/Montero deal.  It’s one thing if a pitcher with a high ceiling/dominant stuff is cheap, if he fails there will always be another team to take a chance on him – but if he is expensive (e.g. Burnett), you’re screwed.

soxin10
3 years 6 months ago

I so wish the red sox would learn that lesson

Brian Swope
3 years 6 months ago

I wonder if Raul was ever signed because of his defense before…

3 years 6 months ago

Isn’t the entire reason for trading Burnett is the money he is owed?  How can you expect anything of value in return unless you eat the majority of the contract?

3 years 6 months ago

Please let this go through…Burnett is way too inconsistent to fit in the Yankees’ plans. Presuming that Michael Pineda continues to progress, this would be great news for the Yanks…and Burnett could do better outside the AL East.

alan104
3 years 6 months ago

A.J. needs a fresh start. New York stage is too much for him. Under all that scrutiny and rightfully so considering the huge contract. He would become super relaxed playing in Pittsburgh and should excel there.

3 years 6 months ago

No idea what the actual WAR or any other relevant stats say but getting rid of AJ has to guarantee the Yanks oneor two extra wins this year v. the Sox and Toronto.

$7562574
3 years 6 months ago

his war in 2010 was -.5 and ’11, 1.1. is this pitcher worth $4 million per year?

3 years 6 months ago

Burnett is a #1 starter on almost any team, why should the Yanks pay so much of his contract.

SierraM363
3 years 6 months ago

 I think his 5.15 era might have something to do with it.

$7562574
3 years 6 months ago

yankees need to pay at least $18 million for the trade to be worth for the bucs.

MB923
3 years 6 months ago

Yeah and Jeff Mathis is one of the best hitters in the game.

SoxPopuli
3 years 6 months ago

I defy you to name me ONE team that AJ Burnett is the undisputed #1 starter on.

3 years 6 months ago

Orioles

redsx968
3 years 6 months ago

Long Island Ducks

SoxPopuli
3 years 6 months ago

Alright, you got me on that one. I really should have specified “Major League Baseball” so as to fully eliminate any possible options.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 6 months ago

He’s got #1 potential but #4/5 execution.