Stark On Garza, Orioles, Braves, Phillies, Headley

Arizona general manager Kevin Towers says he’s been impressed by Mike Trout and Bryce Harper from an offensive and defensive standpoint,’s Jayson Stark reports. "They can beat you on the basepaths. They impact the game defensively,” Towers said. “They can beat you with key hits or the long ball. They're both very special." Here are Stark’s latest rumors from around MLB…

  • One American League executive says the Cubs are basing their asking price for Matt Garza on last summer’s Ubaldo Jimenez deal. This means it’ll take two controllable, young players with upside to pry the right-hander away from Jed Hoyer and Theo Epstein.
  • Other teams say the Orioles are involved in the Garza talks. However, Manny Machado and Dylan Bundy aren’t going to be available in summer trade talks with any club.
  • The Braves are looking for "an impact starting pitcher" and they’ve scouted trade candidate Jason Vargas extensively
  • The Angels are desperate to add a really good bullpen piece and would dangle Peter Bourjos in the right deal, according to rival teams.
  • One executive doesn’t expect Luke Gregerson of the Padres to become available, though there would be heavy demand if San Diego were willing to listen.
  • Another executive suggests the Red Sox could trade Kelly Shoppach and call Ryan Lavarnway up from the minor leagues.
  • The Twins continue to tell teams they expect to hold onto Josh Willingham.
  • The Marlins are telling rival teams they haven’t discussed becoming sellers this summer. The Phillies also seem to want to add, not subtract. The Phils are considering a long list of relievers and have asked the Padres about Chase Headley.
  • The Diamondbacks have “window-shopped” for bullpen depth, Stark writes. Towers says he prefers his current team, now 38-37, to the one that won the NL West a year ago.
  • Stark also reported on the Blue Jays' approach to the trade deadline and you can read the details here.

93 Responses to Stark On Garza, Orioles, Braves, Phillies, Headley Leave a Reply

  1. Gregerson+Brach for Bourjos

  2. Philip Marlowe 3 years ago

    I’d love to get for Garza what Colorado got for Ubaldo. I wonder if the Yankees will part with Hughes, one of the Killer B’s, and Mason Williams for him. Perhaps not, but a guy can dream. As Cubs fans, that’s all we can do.

    • LazerTown 3 years ago

      The cubs would probably want banuelos, betances star has really fallen this year.  I wouldn’t really garza.  Everyone talks about how he has experience in the AL east, but his era there was ~3.90.  hardly dominating, and not the type of player that teams should give up a big haul for.  Especially when banuelos is probably ready to come up soon, and when williams is really shining.

      I wouldn’t mind giving up talent to get a good pitcher, but to me Garza is really not the player that I would give up a whole lot of good prospects for. 

  3. sdsuphilip 3 years ago

    will cost a lot to get headley.

    • nm344 3 years ago

      He’s a damn good player.  Would love the Phils to get him.

    • no it wont

      • Padres4lif3 3 years ago

        Yeah it will..Byrnes doesnt even want to give up Headley. He will ask ALOT and wont trade unless the team trading for him gives up ALOT

      • sdsuphilip 3 years ago

        Headley is one of the top 3B in the majors under team controll for a while longer, so yeah it will.

  4. ARod's Ring 3 years ago

    “The Braves are looking for “an impact starting pitcher” and they’ve scouted trade candidate Jason Vargas extensively” Oxymoron. 

    • Jamie Baker 3 years ago

      prehaps they should look to Garza??? Impact starter and they have some guys to make it happen.

    • erm016 3 years ago

      Ugh, why the hell would we want him? Hopefully Wren is smarter.

    • tomymogo 3 years ago

      Impact pitcher, and then they say Jason Vargas, that’s not an impact pitcher, that’s basically another Jamie Moyer 4th starter type

  5. thegoche 3 years ago

    I can only assume you put “an impact starting pitcher” in italics and quotes because the Braves are using the term ironically when they refer to Jason Vargas.

  6. The phillies need to subtract Thome and Victorino to an AL team for a semi decent bullpen arm….Woulndt mind having Darren O day from the orioles

    • nm344 3 years ago

      Ugh.. victorino will fetch more than a bullpen arm.

      • nm344 3 years ago

        Also, the Phillies need him if they are planning to compete this season.

        • LazerTown 3 years ago

          Especially since they don’t really have anyone else to replace him.

    • Colin Christopher 3 years ago

      As a Braves fan, I heartily support the Phillies trading Shane Victorino for a “semi decent bullpen arm.”

    • You can have Hunter, Gregg, and Reynolds for Polanco, Thome, and we need a decent prospect or Mayberry. That might work. I don’t know.
      What I do know is that I am not all that interested in Victorino for whatever reason.

    • LazerTown 3 years ago

      I don’t think the phillies bullpen is attrocious, It just has been overexposed, and their starting rotation has been bad this year.  They have been getting less length out of alot of their starters and a higher era.

      Halladays at 4; Lee is 3.70
      Worley and hamels have been good, but using blanton and kendrick when your lineup is already missing howard and utley makes games hard to win.

  7. game_7_1991 3 years ago

    From that report it sounds like the Twins aren’t even listening to offers on Willingham.  I hope that’s not the case.  I would much rather see them trade Hammer than Span.  Actually I would like to see them keep both guys and spend a bunch of $$ on pitching in the offseason.  That ain’t gonna happen though.

    • LazerTown 3 years ago

      They wouldn’t been better giving the money they gave to mauer to santana instead.  There are no catchers I would give an 8/ 180 to, especially when he only topped 13 hr once.

      • game_7_1991 3 years ago

        No doubt.  And they should have handed him two options when he signed:  LF or RF.  Grab a glove & start shagging.  He’s worth too much to keep getting beat up behind the plate. 

        • LazerTown 3 years ago

          I remember the concerns with him being 6’5″

  8. bobrewer 3 years ago

    Because when I think “impact starting pitcher”, I think Jason Vargas. I’d much rather have Francisco Liriano if that’s the case.

    • scottandwtb 3 years ago

       Oh god. That’s like asking “would you rather burn to death, or drown?”

  9. johnsilver 3 years ago

    Shoppach is at his high mark the last few seasons as far as trade value. They have to move him before he slides back offensively to his last couple of seasons norm.

    Either that, or give Lavarnway a 1b mitt and let Lavarnway play 1b and catcher equally at Pawtucket, then sit the various retread that abound on that team.

    • ChefR 3 years ago

      What good would converting Lavarnway to a 1B be? AGon is GG and SS 1baseman.

      • cloudrambler 3 years ago

        What I want to know is what trade value Shoppach has anyway. You couldn’t get anyone of much value straight-up for him, so the trade will either include other prospects from the Sox or the Sox are hoping than an addition by subtraction (calling up Lavarnway) is worth it.

        Lavarnway doesn’t have a spot on the Sox if they plan on pursuing Ortiz this winter (which I think they will). He’s too good of a hitter to relegate to backup catching/DHing. If anything, the trade should sent Lavarnway.

      • johnsilver 3 years ago

        So he could fill in at the MLB level there and maybe get a few games in. Not as a regular. You enjoy watching Punto and ortiz playing 1b on defense I presume? That is who is left on the roster.

        They move Shoppach and Lavarnway can get into a game or 2 extra a month and it helps a little to keep him in tune.

        • ChefR 3 years ago

           umm.. AGon only averages about 160 games a year played. We have Gomez down in AAA hitting the lights out, and he has a serviceable glove. Ortiz can fill in at 1B if there’s a need there. How is converting Lavarnway going to result in anything better defensively at first than that?

  10. rundmc1981 3 years ago

    Jason Vargas?! He’s not even worth the frequent-flier miles needed for the scouts to make the trip!

    Greinke yesterday, now Vargas, so tomorrow we should expect this: “Braves have strong interest in Japanese pitcher Kenshin Kawakami”.

  11. 14 Rocks 3 years ago

     That should say that the Braves are looking for a midling starting pitcher that is no better than what they already have.  Jason Vargas?????????

  12. Colin Christopher 3 years ago

    “The Braves are looking for “an impact starting pitcher” and they’ve scouted trade candidate Jason Vargas extensively.”

    The Braves are looking for an “impact starting pitcher.” In completely unrelated news that is in no way connected to the aforementioned statement, they’ve scouted trade candidate Jason Vargas extensively.

    Fixed it for ya.

  13. Terrence Ireland 3 years ago

    And you make fun of Vargas now, but he’ll surprise you when he is that “impact starting pitcher”.

  14. GoatTastesGreat 3 years ago

    @101andCounting If by killer b’s you are refering to Banuelos or Betances, i hope we woud get neither. they are both overrated and reported to be have severe control problems. I would prefer not to deal with them at all. My opinion is that their prospects are somewhat overhyped due to pinstripe fever with some baseball media.

    • LazerTown 3 years ago

      Most scouts are pretty high on banuelos.  Betances is a big guy and has struggled with control.  If he can get it right he could be a very good starter.  It is not uncommon for tall pitchers to have trouble with control. 

      There are so many talent evaluators, yankees prospects really aren’t overhyped. Prospects from many organizations don’t work out ALL the time.

    • Slopeboy 3 years ago

      Funny you should say that. That’s exactly how I feel- about Garza!
      His reputation has been built on two decent years he had on a team that improved dramatically in the AL East. Otherwise, he’s a front end pitcher that’s not worth going into panic mode to obtain. Cubs would be lucky to unload his salary and get some relief. Cub fans are deluding themselves if they’re expecting huge returns for Garza. Even if it’s for ‘over-hyped’ Yankees prospects.

  15. GoatTastesGreat 3 years ago

    @Eddie and Pam. The only sillier contract by far is the contract of Vernon Wells. A lesser ballplayer making far more money.

  16. In Jason Vargas’ defense, he gave up a horrid 10 runs in Arizona and while he’s been poor this month he’s also gone into at least the 6th in every other start he’s made this year which the Braves really need. You gotta assume taking away the DH will help him as well, I think Vargas is the Braves best option if they can get him for Pastornicky and 1 or 2 mid range pitching prospects.

    • 1980CHAMPS 3 years ago

      Have you seen Vargas numbers when he was in the NL East?  He would get eaten alive again.  Hopefully he gets traded to Atlanta.

      • Phillies_Aces35 3 years ago

        He pitched pretty well against us when we saw him last year. He’s not the same pitcher.

  17. SoCalAngelsFan75 3 years ago

    I hope that’s Vernon Wells in a Peter Bourjos costume the Halos are dangling. I understand we could use a BP arm but would really hate to see Peter B go.

  18. Robb Logan 3 years ago

    throw in Headley and Grandel and we will toss in either Callaspo or Izturis and Wilson or Conger then maybe.

  19. Dylan 3 years ago

    Headley to Phillies December makes so much sense. Padres will prob want some of their Draftees of last year like Walding or Quinn plus May/Biddle/Pettibone.

    • Dylan 3 years ago

      I’d have to extend him right away if Im giving up Biddle or May.

    • PhxPadsFan 3 years ago

       Cant trade last year draftees yet.
      Middle infield is what the pads need.

      • Dylan 3 years ago

        I said in December they make sense. In Decber they could trade Walding Quinn or T Greene who all project to be SS or 2B

        • PhxPadsFan 3 years ago

           Too far away. Phillies have no prosepects anyone wants. Including themselves. When are they going to put Lee or Hamel on the market?

          • 1980CHAMPS 3 years ago

            Phillies have a lot of good pitching prospects.  I’m sure they would have sub 2.00 ERA’s in Petco.  Either way Headley is mediocre and Ruben Amaro Jr is a terrible GM so he’ll probably give someone really good like Biddle or May.

          • Beersy 3 years ago

            Headley would not be mediocre in Philly.

          • Phillies_Aces35 3 years ago

            We really don’t. The highest upside on any of them is a 2-3 type starter.

          • Dylan 3 years ago

            Galvis would prob interest them.

          • PhxPadsFan 3 years ago

            Didnt he get suspended?

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  20. RiverKKiller999 3 years ago

    How is Vargas an “impact pitcher” to begin with? I call that a bluff, Braves.

  21. dstephens17 3 years ago

    okay angel fans. the braves will give you Bourn and Medlin for Peter, Ariel Pena, and Kole Calhoun. Sound fair?

  22. Phillies_Aces35 3 years ago

    The Braves have the prospects to get Felix Hernandez if they want… thankfully, the Mariners will never trade this guy.

    I think Matt Garza’s a good fit for them. He shouldn’t break the bank in terms of prospects and would solidify their rotation. No way they go after a rental like Grenkie.

  23. Josh Kanarek 3 years ago

    trade Izzy and mid-level prospect for solid reliever, Angels would be idiots to move PB. If anything eat 20-30million of Wells contract and see what they can get. Even better would be trading Santana, Izzy, and Morales for Grienke or Hamels. 

    • lefty177 3 years ago

      Who would they put into the DH spot then? Vernon Wells?

  24. herman Hainey 3 years ago

    Juan Francisco + Mike Minor/Randall Delgado for Garza?
    Is that something both teams could work with?

  25. Philip Marlowe 3 years ago

    You think not? If the Phillies decide not to move Hamels, Garza is the best arm available except for *MAYBE* Greinke. Unlike Garza, Greinke has durability and psychological questions. Garza’s also AL East-tested, which Greinke is not. They’re nearly equal, in my opinion, when it comes to actual ability, but those intangibles make Garza a much better option for a contending team.

    Go look at Ubaldo’s stats from last year and tell me that it’s not possible that someone overpays for Garza just like the Indians overpaid for Jimenez.

  26. CubsFan5 3 years ago

    Ubaldo was pretty bad when that trade was made. 

  27. laffingrass 3 years ago

    I know right? Ubaldo is just an incredible pitcher.

  28. cubs223425 3 years ago

    In case you didn’t realize, what Colorado has gotten has been terrible. White is nothing, McBride’s hitting all right as a 27-year-old in AAA, Gardner’s been crap at AA, and Pomeranz is struggling with the Ks and HRs in the majors.

    So, why can’t the Cubs do better than 2 career minor leaguers, a garbage SP, and one with promise that isn’t showing yet?

  29. cubs223425 3 years ago

    What are the durability issues with Grienke? He threw 200+ inning from 2008-2010, including 220+ from in 2009 and 2010. 171 last season doesn’t indicate a durability issue by itself, either.

    Also, you might recognize that Garza was something of a 4.20-ish ERA in the AL East. It’s not like he excelled.

  30. WasianCU 3 years ago

    Ubaldo also had 2.5 years remaining on his contract.  Garza has 3 months left.

  31. cubs223425 3 years ago

    Wins, the ultimate proof of talent, haha!

    Maybe peopel say Jason Vargas sucks because Jason Vargas sucks. 4.54 ERA and 5.03 FIP in that park screams “GARBAGE!” He eats innings, but he still sucks.

  32. ARod's Ring 3 years ago

    Umm, what? I only have one. there’s someone else called “chico”. I’m “chiico”. and PoorMs. Jason Vargas is awful

  33. Robb Logan 3 years ago

    No Greinke for the Halos. We have not many impact prospects as is. Do not sell what we have on a probable rental. Not worth it. Also keep Well dump Bourjos. He will bring back a far better return and as it sits now he has zero room in the OF as the roster stands Wells or not. 

  34. WasianCU 3 years ago

    Fail on both trades.  No way the Angels only have to eat 10-15m to move Wells.  18M per year (so about 40-45M of the 53M remaining) might be enough to move him but there still wouldn’t be much of a return in prospects. 

    Also, 3 months of Greinke is not worth giving up two of the Angels top prospects (Segura and Cron). 

  35. LazerTown 3 years ago

    Should have traded him before the season like I thought, but people chewed me up on that one.  They have too many outfielders, trout, Hunter, and trumbo is a very good outfield.  Bourjos is a good prospect but the Angels DO NOT need a centerfielder.  Better trade him and keep some vet for left since trout CAN cover alot of ground.

  36. Robb Logan 3 years ago

    Both White and Pomeranz are young and learning on the fly. Also does not help that the rockies manager shows zero tolerance thus they are pretty much low on self confidence. The Ubaldo trade may still be good if the Rockies actually use both guys and not treat them like babies and play with there confidence level. 

  37. Taylor Hope 3 years ago

    Jason Vargas is having his worst year as a Mariner, and even then it’s not that bad. One outing this year literally increased his ERA an extra 0.69 points; take away that one start and he has a 3.85 ERA

  38. But under team control through 2014 via arbitration.

  39. baseball52 3 years ago

    No, he’s a free agent next year.

  40. sourbob 3 years ago

    Check Cot’s… Garza is under team control through 2013.

  41. Robb Logan 3 years ago

    Bourjos is nothing more than a glove with speed. His bat will never equate to what so many think it will. To streaky and more bound for the Mathis/Mendoza line than anything respectable. Trade him NOW before other teams catch on to his obvious weakness and his value bottoms out.

  42. cookmeister 3 years ago

    Calhoun or a FA

  43. michael hughes 3 years ago

    An impact starting pitcher needs to be better than “not that bad”.

  44. Cosmo3 3 years ago


  45. not_brooks 3 years ago

    Don’t worry. The Orioles aren’t going to trade Bundy.

  46. WasianCU 3 years ago

    You’re right.  Sorry, I was looking at Greinke instead of Garza for some stupid reason.

  47. Beersy 3 years ago

    I think you are correct.  Bonderman was a PTBNL in the Jeff Weaver deal years ago.

  48. baseball52 3 years ago

    He’s under team control until the 2013 offseason.

  49. sourbob 3 years ago

    Ironically, I just made the opposite mistake on another thread…

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