Justin Upton Rumors: Tuesday

Justin Upton's no-trade protection enables him to block trades to the Yankees, Red Sox, Cubs and Indians. The Yankees have checked in on Upton, but there doesn't seem to be much traction between the two teams. Here's the latest on Upton, who collected three hits against the Reds last night…

  • Agent Larry Reynolds told Bob Nightengale of USA Today that Upton hasn’t ruled out the possibility of accepting a trade to a team on his no-trade list (Twitter link). If nothing else, the no-trade list provides Upton and Reynolds with some potential leverage.
  • The Pirates have stayed in contact with the Diamondbacks about Upton, Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports reports. So far Pirates GM Neal Huntington has refused to part with outfield prospect Starling Marte or pitching prospect Jameson Taillon in trade talks, Morosi writes.
  • ESPN.com's Buster Olney spoke with more officials who are convinced the Diamondbacks will trade Upton.
  • The Blue Jays are interested in Upton, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reported today.
  • The Pirates and Diamondbacks are having trouble matching up on a trade because Arizona is seeking a shortstop, tweets Olney.


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102 Comments on "Justin Upton Rumors: Tuesday"


Guest
2 years 11 months ago

So the Pirates want to get Upton, but don’t want to give up Gerrit Cole, Taillon, or Marte? Are they offering a bag of beans for him?

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paulinpittsburgh
2 years 11 months ago

If you look more closely at Upton’s numbers, a bag of beans is probably on the high side of his true value.

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TophersReds
2 years 11 months ago

4th in MVP voting last year. Ok?

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paulinpittsburgh
2 years 11 months ago

Which only serves to reinforce my belief that most sports writers and announcers know less about baseball than the average housewife.

It’s not an objective measure of anything, it’s opinion and nothing more.

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Jason_F
2 years 11 months ago

How about a 150 game average of 4.0 WAR since 2008?  Those are some valuable beans.

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dylanp5030
2 years 11 months ago

Overreact much?

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paulinpittsburgh
2 years 11 months ago

Not as it relates to the Pirates and their interest in Upton.  Taking a right handed hitter who only hits well in the second friendliest hitters ball park in the majors and moving him to a the third least hitter friendly park and one that cripples right handers home run power would be an unmitigated disaster.

Giving up top prospects to inflict that sort of damage on themselves would be unimaginably harmful to both the near term and long term success of the franchise.

Make a trade, give up some top prospects if need be, but for god sake make sure the player you get in return can actually help the team and fits into the Park you play your home games at.

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Bob Cunningham
2 years 11 months ago

Jason Bay sure seemed to hit home runs at PNC.

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sdsuphilip
2 years 11 months ago

Except it’s not, Upton’s been one of the 10 best OF’s the last 4 years and is worth cole or taillon+ the chances of Marte having even close to the career Upton is on pace on is less than 1%

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paulinpittsburgh
2 years 11 months ago

In the opinion of some, but the numbers say otherwise and the numbers don’t lie.  31 home runs in 2011, 20 in 291 at bats at Chase Field, 11 in 301 at bats on the road …

That’s mostly park effect not hitting ability.

Lots of teams got cheated trading for what they thought were power hitters from Colorado once too, but GMs who know how to dig a little deeper into the numbers have wised up since then.

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sdsuphilip
2 years 11 months ago

Except the park while extreme doesn’t effect hitters as much as the stats say it does for Upton, in other words Upton’s been a bit lucky at home and unlucky on the road, he has randomly legitimately hit better at home without the park effects, similar to what carlos gonzalez’s career numbers say.

Guest
2 years 11 months ago

quite the hater seeing as mccutchen has just about the same career numbers, and a similar contract. though he his a much better outfielder. 

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KennyandtheMets
2 years 11 months ago

That’s a ridiculous statement!

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formerdraftpick
2 years 11 months ago

The Pirates should be talking about their other prospects that are second tier as if they are unattainable, such as Cain, Holt and Curry.  If they self marketed what they drafted, Hunt might be able to build a decent package without giving up the farm.

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MetsMagic
2 years 11 months ago

Alen Hanson is likely a top 50 prospect now too, they could build a package around him and/or the Bell/Heredia/Grossman tier if the Dbacks were interested. 

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slr5607
2 years 11 months ago

If the Pirates want Upton, I think they could get him. They have the talent to do it without destroying their team too. I would think that Pedro Alvarez, Gorkys Hernandez, and Jameson Tallion for Justin Upton and Ryan Roberts would be a great deal for both sides. The Pirates keep Cole and Marte, get a new 3B man that’s under team control, keep a LF platoon with Jones/Sutton. It’s the aggressive move that the Pirates need to make to show they are serious about winning.

The D Backs get a top of the rotation arm, an everyday, young 3B man with power, and a young outfield prospect. They aren’t going to get more anywhere else.

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2 years 11 months ago

I say Upton, Chris Young, Ryan Roberts Pedro Alvarez, Starling Marte, Tallion.

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2 years 11 months ago

ha! you do know a left handed power hitting 3rd basemen is more rare than upton…. not happening.

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2 years 11 months ago

why would they need more SP?

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BeatEmBucs
2 years 11 months ago

So a team in contention for a playoff spot should trade its every day 3B, who also has the 3rd highest OPS on the team amongst every day players…plus their top prospect…for a replacement level 3B and an OF with a lesser OPS than the major league player the Pirates would be giving up?

Makes sense.

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2 years 11 months ago

lmao really? every day 3b? same guy with a .229 career clip, an OPS 100 points lower than uptons career OPS, barely over .300 obp ANDDD he strikes out more than 1/3 of the time. Oh and he is the worst defensive 3B in the NL. all this while being demoted/injured over the course of 3 seasons. Thats your everyday guy?.. really dude.. really

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BeatEmBucs
2 years 11 months ago

Pedro Alvarez plays 3B for the Pirates. Every. Day. Really, dude.

He’s Top 10 in the NL in HRs and RBI and also has the 2nd fewest ABs per HR to go along with a 2.3 WAR.

He’s hit .300 over the last 30 days and drawn double digit walks in each of the past two months after having a miserable two in April. That led to a .356 OBP in June.

He’s not Brooks Robinson, but you could do a lot worse than Pedro at 3B. He has a high amount of errors, but according to Baseball Reference he has the 4th best range factor among NL 3B and the guy has a canon for an arm.

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2 years 11 months ago

I love how a string of 30 games convinces so many people of so many things… Pedro had an amazing june, no doubt. Im so proud. Thats awesome. But the fact that your sticking point is double digit walks in a month is reaching. He still strikes out a ton, and hasnt gotten any better. and he continues to decline everrrr so slightly with the glove. I dont care if his range is that of scott rolens in his prime.. an error every 5 games is turrrible. he is significantly below the avg fld pct at his position. Last year Upton was top 10 in slugging, XBH, runs, runs created, times on base(top 5 in most) while slugging a miniscule .529. Just dont understand why pirates fans of all people are worried about prospects and the future all of a sudden. Finally got a good team, and good management in place. a great chance to win the division, a player who will instantly become the 2nd best player on the team, no doubt about it. Anddddd he is the best player on the market

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2 years 11 months ago

ypu forgot to mention 2nd in the ML in errors!! 30 games certainly doesnt make a season, or a career. he still strikes out just as much as he did as a rookie. His glove gets worse and worse, his fielding pct is .935 for his career. The AVERAGE ML 3B is at .953. an error every 5 games, coupled with his impressive 34.4% K rate. I actually really like him as a player, but im not a pirates fan so i have 0 reason to BS. Upton would be the 2nd best player on the pirates, starting now. pittsburgh is desperate for the playoffs. especially a division. Not getting there by holding onto prospects with an ETA of 2015

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BeatEmBucs
2 years 11 months ago

That wasn’t my point, though. Upton would be the 2nd best or THE best player on many teams, I’m not arguing that. He is most certainly better than Pedro Alvarez. I just said that it didn’t make sense to give up a part of the major league roster to add to the major league roster. Especially, not when Pedro has been producing for the most extended period of his career thus far and is still very much a part of the Pirates’ future. And as of today, this very minute, probably the better source of offense than Upton. Long run? Probably not. This particular season? You could make a case.

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2 years 11 months ago

If u dont think Upton+Roberts for Alvarez added to the 2012 pirates makes them better, you are clearly smoking bath salts. my point was hypothetically adding roberts and upton for alvarez and their top prospect would be retarded for the d-backs. And if Upton has “diminished” value, then on that same scale alvarez’ value would be currently higher than ever. yet u say certainly upton is more impactful. As bad as i have said pedro is on D, upton isnt any better so thats a wash. So why would pittsburgh even mention trading the combined reincarnations of rolen’s range/chipper’s swing/ and glaus power?? The last thing the snakes need is another mark reynolds roaming 3rd anyways. alvarez is a good player, again i do like him and think he will pan out for more than a month sometime in the future

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Casey
2 years 11 months ago

So the list of teams that he can block trades to suggests that he has changed the teams in which he has no trade for. Is this accurate? There isn’t much information on Cot’s about how/when he can do that sort of thing.

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Guest
2 years 11 months ago

It’s not 100% accurate as his agent, Larry Reynolds, never confirmed it when he was asked yesterday.

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2 years 11 months ago

Anthopoulous: “Hey, Josh, so I’m interested about this Upton character you seemingly have available.  What’s your price?”

Towers: “Lawrie, Hechavarria, Rasmus, Sanchez, and Syndergaard.”

Anthopoulous: “Okay… have fun with that.”

Towers: “Wait, did I ask for Bautista too?  If I didn’t, be sure to add him to the list.”

(click)

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dylanp5030
2 years 11 months ago

It would end at Lawrie…the rest of the list is moot.

Lawrie, Bautista, Romero, and d’Arnaud are prob. untouchable.

A package centered around Gose and Hechavarria seems more likely.

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2 years 11 months ago

Well yes, the list is exaggerated, as I’m sure people could see.  But my point still stands: all the evidence points to Towers asking for a Gio Gonzalez-type overpay, and I’m not so sure Towers moves him for less unless the owners really force his hand.

As such, I don’t see the Jays participating in this trade, unless the price comes down.

Guest
2 years 11 months ago

I would think Kevin Towers would just hang up right away after being called Josh.

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2 years 11 months ago

+1

Guest
2 years 11 months ago

why would anyone “like” that?

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Abbas Saleem Khan
2 years 11 months ago

uhm ken… the jays are interested in everyone lol. 

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paulinpittsburgh
2 years 11 months ago

It’s very troubling to hear that the Pirates have any interest in Upton, a speed guy who’s OPS out side Chase field the last two season’s is around .720, but somewhat heartening to hear they won’t entertain the thought of giving up anything of value for such a weak bat.

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Casey
2 years 11 months ago

Is this a serious remark? A speed guy? He has had only 1 season where he hit less HRs than he had SBs. When he had 17 and 18 respectively. He’s also only 24 years old.

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Mark Ludwig
2 years 11 months ago

Upton is really talented and has the potential to be a legit cleanup hitter. As you point out, he’s only 24. However 
Upton is currently on pace for his second <2 WAR season in the past 3 years and is owed ~$40M over the next 3+ years. He also benefits from the launching pad ballpark in Arizona. Even in his monster 2011, Upton had just a .767 OPS away from Chase. Giving up a Top-10 pitching prospect (Taillon) and a Top-50 OF plus the other complimentary pieces that this deal might take scares me.

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2 years 11 months ago

 I would bet a significant amount of money that Justin Upton generates at least 2 WAR this season