Reds, Pirates Interested In Choo; Rangers Out

8:36pm: Rosenthal hears that the asking price for Choo is a good Major League player with less than three years of service time (Twitter link).

8:23pm: The Reds are also interested in Choo, according to Rosenthal (on Twitter). Choo would fit Cincinnati's desire for a left-handed bat and a leadoff hitter, but Rosenthal hears that the Indians are reluctant to move Choo.

5:29pm: A deal between the Rangers and Indians for Choo isn't happening, according to Jon Heyman of CBS Sports (on Twitter).

4:17pm: The Rangers also have interest in Choo, Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports report. Texas would prefer to add a left-handed hitter such as Choo to their lineup, but the Indians are reluctant to trade the right fielder. Cleveland would likely look for pitching in a trade, according to the FOX reporters.

11:04am: The Pirates are checking in on Indians outfielder Shin-Soo Choo, Rob Biertempfel of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reports (on Twitter). The Pirates would likely have to part with 23-year-old outfielder Starling Marte to complete a trade for Choo, Biertempfel writes.

The Indians are likely to keep Choo, but they'll listen to trade offers for him, ESPN.com's Jayson Stark reported three days ago. The 30-year-old earns $4.9MM this year and will get a raise this offseason when he goes to arbitration for the third and final time. Choo has a .295/.382/.489 batting line with 12 home runs in 422 plate appearances this year.

The Pirates acquired Wandy Rodriguez this week, but they continue seeking offensive upgrades. Marte, Drew Sutton and Alex Presley are among their current left field options.


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160 Comments on "Reds, Pirates Interested In Choo; Rangers Out"


Jack McCurry
3 years 1 month ago

I’ll take Marte for Choo…..his agent dont want Choo in Cleveland anyways

3 years 1 month ago

And his agent sure as hell won’t want him in Pittsburgh at the end of 2013 either, haha.

WUNNINE
3 years 1 month ago

Pull the trigger… show this team’s players management is serious about the playoffs.

3 years 1 month ago

You don’t just trade away top prospects to prove something

WUNNINE
3 years 1 month ago

You are not proving anything, getting an accomplished player to lead you to the playoffs and beyond… Now is the time, not next year or the year after…

3 years 1 month ago

It’s funny though cuz marte could very well put up just as good as numbers as a 24 yearold not 30.

WUNNINE
3 years 1 month ago

That’s the unknown variable you hope pans out for Marte… one never knows.. that’s what projections are for… do you go with someone who has yet to prove himself or with someone who already has…

asovermann
3 years 1 month ago

Really? I dont think Marte is on pace to put up almost 5 war this season. Choo is on pace for another 20-20 season and is a very very solid leadoff hitter who can also draw walks, unlike Marte. Choo is exactly the type of player that the Pirates are missing right now.

3 years 1 month ago

Actually their missing a four hitter not a 2 or 6

asovermann
3 years 1 month ago

Choo is a leadoff hitter and prior to Marte’s calling the Pirates had Alex Presley slotted there, if they trade Marte for an upgrade in Choo he would most definitely be their lead off hitter.

Todd Smith
3 years 1 month ago

No, but you do trade away prospects to improve the team and take a shot at winning. It’s one of the reasons you build up the farm system the way the Pirates have – so you have pieces to move when you have a chance to improve and win now.

3 years 1 month ago

No thanks

bigpat
3 years 1 month ago

Not sure if want.

3 years 1 month ago

No thanks…..Pence yep

monkeyking42
3 years 1 month ago

Why? Choo’s career line: .292/.383/.475. Pence’s .289/.342/.480. Pretty comparable in terms of defense and base-running

notsureifsrs
3 years 1 month ago

choo is significantly better than pence

Ron Opher
3 years 1 month ago

One of the most ridiculous rumors I have heard. There is NO WAY the Pirates are dealing Marte for Choo. It’s not likely to be much of an upgrade, Choo is injury prone, and the biggest reason is that it will cost the low-budget Pirates a fortune to keep Choo after this season.

Their acquisition of Wandy Rodriguez fits their strategy a lot better – they were not in pursuit of the bigger names at higher prices.

The only way guys like Marte, Gerrit Cole or Jameson Taillon are dealt is if a Josh Hamilton or Matt Kemp type player were available. Pirates must not think Justin Upton is quite in that range, or the D’Backs wanted more than Marte – otherwise something would have happened there.

Instead, expect the Bucs to bottom-feed for players like Shane Victorino.

David C. Ruckman
3 years 1 month ago

What, exactly, puts Shane Victorino in the “bottom-feed” category? The guy’s having a “down” season to date but he’s still a pretty good player.

Ron Opher
3 years 1 month ago

The price for Victorino is a lot lower than for Choo:

First, Victorino is not as good a player.

Second, and much more important, is that Victorino heads into free agency in November, so he is a 2-month rental, while Choo is under control for 2013.

3 years 1 month ago

Choo would cost no more than 7 million to keep next year… and then you worry about an extension, or you get compensation if/when he leaves as a free agent

Ron Opher
3 years 1 month ago

I think he’ll ask for $9-10 million and settle around 8. His current figure of 4.9 was kept low by an injury-plagued 2011. He’s also a Boras client. But the point is the Pirates either don’t have the $8 million, or could keep Marte and use the $8 million elsewhere next season.

This is not a one-year window in Pittsburgh by any means.

What the Bucs should do is figure out who fits in their plans and who doesn’t and start moving the guys who don’t fit (Tabata, Gorkys Hernandez, maybe Garrett Jones) over the next couple of days and on through the off-season.

notsureifsrs
3 years 1 month ago

“It’s not likely to be much of an upgrade”

one of the most ridiculous comments i have heard. marte couldn’t hit in the minors what choo hits in the majors

Ron Opher
3 years 1 month ago

He won the Eastern League batting title last year coming off hamate surgery.

I’ll go make some money on my blog now – I’m tired of pointing out the obvious…that while the Indians might want Marte for Choo, the Pirates will not do that trade.

notsureifsrs
3 years 1 month ago

marte’s wRC+ in the minors

A+ – 143
AA – 138
AAA – 128

choo’s wRC+ since joining the majors

148
137
144
104
141

Colin Wynn
3 years 1 month ago

That seems like a win for both teams. The tribe get a young cost controlled OF and the Bucco’s get a proven stud in Choo to help them make a run for the division.

Ron Opher
3 years 1 month ago

“proven stud” is a major reach on Choo…he is a very good, but far from elite player

notsureifsrs
3 years 1 month ago

evidence? the only reason he’s not considered elite is because he plays in cleveland

if you take out his injured 2011, he’s played at a 4-6 WAR level over his last 3 seasons. even if you include 2011, he’s produced 4.7 per 150 games over the last 4

go look up all of the other players who have done that. every single one is a star

3 years 1 month ago

stud is definitely a strong word. Unless “stud” means an older version of Jose Tabata. Seeing as he is a glass cannon, and spends more time on the DL than playing.

asovermann
3 years 1 month ago

How is Choo injury prone at all other than when he got hit by a pitch on his hand thus breaking his hand?

notsureifsrs
3 years 1 month ago

one of the worst comparisons of all time. tabata has a 95 wRC+ (5% below league average) and is a below average defender. choo’s is 134

for perspective, that’s the difference between andrew mccutchen and delmon young

Pawsdeep
3 years 1 month ago

Choo is one of the most underrated outfielders in the game. He would be an awesome acquisition for the buccos and would make that outfield a force to be reckoned with.

Ron Opher
3 years 1 month ago

you just want the Indians to sell since it helps the Tigers!

Pawsdeep
3 years 1 month ago

I’d love to see Choo out of the Central. That’s because he is an awesome player; but I’m also a pretty big pirates fan on top of my tigers. I love the city of Pittsburg and I love their franchise; I think choo would be an awesome fit for the pirates an I really want to see tem do well and I think he’d help them greatly. Plus, I’ve always liked choo as a players and gettin him out of the Mistake by the lake would make it easier for me to enjoy his success

PWNdroia
3 years 1 month ago

Exactly my thought. He is vastly underrated, as I accounted in my post before I saw this one.

BradyAndersonsSideburns
3 years 1 month ago

I’d go as far as to say he is the most underrated player in the league. He literally is above average in every aspect of the game. Plus if he goes to Pittsburgh, then I won’t have to watch him destroy Orioles pitching anymore!

paulinpittsburgh
3 years 1 month ago

Choo’s underrated and Marte is vastly over rated. If there’s really a deal like this on the table and the Pirates have jumped on it yet they’re fools.

nepp
3 years 1 month ago

Enough to give up Marte though? Marte has a chance to be a pretty great young OF for them in the next few years.

Is 1.5 years of Choo worth 6 of Marte?

vtadave
3 years 1 month ago

Not a fan of either team, but I’d love to see the Pirates pull the trigger on a Marte/Choo deal. Marte is no sure thing obviously, so for this year and probably next, this APPEARS to be a nice upgrade for the Bucs. Time to leverage the farm system and make a run.

paulinpittsburgh
3 years 1 month ago

If the Pirates have a chance to deal Marte for Choo and haven’t well shame on them. Marte is nothing but hype and if the can get quality in return for him before people figure it out the need to.

A lead off hitter with zero walks and a .280 on base percentage, yeah that’s what ever team needs.

Novito
3 years 1 month ago

This trade would make no sense to me. Not a pirates fan but keep marte there.

withpower
3 years 1 month ago

I know Presley hasn’t had the greatest year so far, but wouldn’t it be better to just hold on to Marte, and see if Presley can get this thing turned around a bit? They still have Garret Jones, too, though I suppose he’s been playing some 1B this year?

3 years 1 month ago

I think the general idea seems to be they want Jones at 1B, w/ McGehee off the bench. I don’t understand why the Bucs are entertaining including Marte in any deal. I know it takes prospects to get good Major League players, but the Pirates have pitching depth. That’s it. Their pool of position prospects are almost all below AA – predominantly in Low-A. Throw Tabata in a deal w/ pitching and maybe one of the 1B prospects?

monkeyking42
3 years 1 month ago

I think people are seriously underrating Choo here. With a year of team control left, there’s no way the Pirates land him without dealing on of their top guys. Better Marte than Tallion or Cole

Jimcass134
3 years 1 month ago

If they would trade those guys I’m pretty sure they’d want Pence

monkeyking42
3 years 1 month ago

They’d prefer the more expensive player with 40 fewer points of OBP?

Jimcass134
3 years 1 month ago

The player who can change the face of the line up? The player who would make teams throw McCutchen more hittable pitches knowing that the guy behind him can hurt them as well?

3 years 1 month ago

Jim C, looks to me like Choo and Pence have been very similar players during their career, but with Choo being slightly better most of the time. So are you claiming this is a reputation thing and not a reality thing?

Jimcass134
3 years 1 month ago

That’s exactly what I’m claiming. If they want a leadoff hitter then Choo is their guy but if they want a hitter that can protect McCutchen then Pence is the guy. It’s pretty much the same situation with the Cardinals a couple years ago when the aquired Holliday to protect Pujols.

monkeyking42
3 years 1 month ago

McCutchen’s season so far is about as convincing of an argument as there is that lineup protection is mostly a myth. How much better could he possibly be?

Jimcass134
3 years 1 month ago

How much better could Pujols have been? Also how is that a myth? If you know that the guy behind a hitter is easier to get out then why throw to the tougher hitter? Now if you put a guy behind him that can also rake, the pitcher can’t just pitch around him in game changing situations.

monkeyking42
3 years 1 month ago

It makes intuitive sense, but it sort of falls apart when you look at the actual examples. Pujols finally did get some protection with Holliday behind him, but he didn’t any better. Cabrera hasn’t hit better with Fielder behind him this year. You can find some examples that go the other way, but not nearly as many as you might think. The studies done suggest if there is an effect at all, it’s minimal.

Jimcass134
3 years 1 month ago

I apologize if it seems that I am against Choo. He’s a very good baseball player and I agree that it would help McCutchen with more RBIs, I wasn’t even thinking about that. He actually would be the same shot in the arm as Pence would.

3 years 1 month ago

The bottom line is that when you add a good hitter to the lineup, that’s presumably a good hitter taking 4 ABs/G away from a poor one. Another quality bat is never a bad thing.

monkeyking42
3 years 1 month ago

Even if it did help Cutch to have a better hitter behind him, I fail to see why that would be intrinsically better than having a good hitter atop the lineup. He’d have a ton more RBI opportunities if the Pirates didn’t have Presley and his .276 OBP leading off.

3 years 1 month ago

i don’t think i’d trade Marte for Choo, but i’d love to see Choo on the Pirates.

3 years 1 month ago

Well that’s the type of player you’d have to give up to acquire Choo. No way would Cleveland give away their fan favorite franchise leadoff hitter for some scrub who could turn out to be the next Matt LaPorta. MLB talent for MLB talent, period.

3 years 1 month ago

i hope the pirates arent like the jays, cause theyll be interested in all the big names but only acquire marginal players.

bill waters
3 years 1 month ago

Just don’t get this, Marte seems to have given the Pirates a huge shot in the arm….I know some people don’t rate RBI’s as that important, but 39 RBI’s in 400 + AB’s seems to me pretty lame. See he has only 1 HR with RISP for the whole season…

monkeyking42
3 years 1 month ago

Choo’s been hitting lead-off most of the year. He’s more of an on-base guy than a slugger, which is something the Pirates lack right now.

WUNNINE
3 years 1 month ago

Amen

stl_cards16
3 years 1 month ago

The only thing worse than using RBI’s to evaluate a player is using RBI’s to evaluate a player that primarily hits leadoff.

UrkillingmeSmalls
3 years 1 month ago

And not only is he leadoff, the bottom of the Indians lineup has generally consisted of some trio of Aaron Cunningham, Johnny Damon, Jack Hannahan, and Casey Kotchman.

3 years 1 month ago

As a Pirate fan, I sincerely hope this is nothing more than a rumor. Marte for Choo would go down as one of the worst trades in club history.

Chiburgh
3 years 1 month ago

I like the thought of Choo joining the Pirate’s outfield, but losing Marte. I’m not so sure I’d make the trade.

David C. Ruckman
3 years 1 month ago

Marte’s value exceeds that of Choo at this point based on potential and controllable years. There should be no motivation whatsoever to make that swap. If anything, why don’t the Pirates consider shopping Jose Tabata? He looks completely checked out mentally in AAA, so maybe his value has hit the doldrums. But at least dangle him out there with a couple prospects of value and see what comes back. Let Marte continue being the beast that he seems likely to be.

WUNNINE
3 years 1 month ago

Marte may be a beast in AAA but has not proven anything in the bigs yet

Ron Opher
3 years 1 month ago

With that logic, practically no trades would get done in MLB at the trade deadline

3 years 1 month ago

Marte went 2 for 4 in the first game and 0-9 since… just saying

Robb Logan
3 years 1 month ago

Your basis is on 13 at bats? Laughable.

3 years 1 month ago

I’m not saying Marte can’t be good… just reminding people prospects usually struggle in the first taste of the bigs… Trout and Harper have made people forget that fact

Todd Smith
3 years 1 month ago

Even Trout struggled badly in his first trip to the majors last year.

WUNNINE
3 years 1 month ago

and if you read, there are not a lot of trades for that same reason

Ron Opher
3 years 1 month ago

I’ve read all your comments and you favor the established guy over the prospect in every comment.

Faulty logic is –

1. Every MLB player is a prospect at one time.

2. There is not an unlimited supply of money to keep investing in established players, especially in an organization like the Pirates.

WUNNINE
3 years 1 month ago

for the Pirates yes I do favor the established player… they cannot go another season in reverse… they have the fan base back in their favor right now and it is not fair to the players and city of Pittsburgh to not get an established player at the expense of a potential prospect… they have to do something today not tomorrow…

3 years 1 month ago

Lol its been four games

3 years 1 month ago

Sample size

notsureifsrs
3 years 1 month ago

“Marte’s value exceeds that of Choo at this point based on potential and controllable years.”

can be said about virtually every prospect-for-star trade that has ever happened. i know the pirates are new to this, but it isn’t rocket surgery

Todd Smith
3 years 1 month ago

It’s clear that Marte isn’t ready to contribute to the major league team this year. He needs more time in the minors. Presley clearly isn’t getting it done either. If the Pirates really want to take a shot at the playoffs this year (and I can’t imagine why they wouldn’t want to), then they need to find an upgrade for the outfield.

They aren’t going to get that upgrade by scraping together left over scraps like Tabata, Correia and Meek. It’s just not realistic.

I’m as excited about Marte as anybody, but he’s not an untouchable prospect. I certainly wouldn’t move him for a rental, but for a guy like Choo with some control left, I could live with. Choo is basically what we hope Marte will eventually turn into a few years from now.

chris hines
3 years 1 month ago

I’d like to see the Yankees trade for Choo in the offseason to replace Swisher, Marte for Choo that is way too steep for the Pirates.

3 years 1 month ago

Well since this a only a rumor, I speak on behalf of Doug Melvin, send Marte and a pitching prospect to the Brewers for Corey Hart

Greatone1210
3 years 1 month ago

No if Marte is involved. Correia, Tabata, and one 10-20 prospect, maybe 5-10 if it comes down to it. But no on Marte.

sportsnut969
3 years 1 month ago

Taillon /Dickerson & Garcia would be fair for Choo

If it was Marte I would think it would be Marte for Choo 1 for 1.

asovermann
3 years 1 month ago

Taillon is a better prospect than Marte is…

CaptQT
3 years 1 month ago

Fair for who?

Greatone1210
3 years 1 month ago

That is extremely steep and would set the bucs back at least a year or two

3 years 1 month ago

Will take cabrera santana and choo

coachL
3 years 1 month ago

Hahaha, Taillon for Choo is laughable.

3 years 1 month ago

No, Pirates would need to give up Marte and at least one other player. Choo is a franchise OF…gone are the days when the Tribe gives up its top players for “should be’s” or “could be’s”. If Pirates are serious they’re going to have to give up some serious MLB-ready players.

coachL
3 years 1 month ago

Well, the problem with this logic is that the Pirates need Marte and Choo. So this wouldn’t help their cause. Yes, Choo is proven and all that other bs, but so what. He walks after 2013, while Marte is here for 6 years, and a much lower cost. And he has an extremely high ceiling. You don’t give up guys like that for an above average 30 year old who will surely be gone after next year. Its just bad business.

3 years 1 month ago

Where does this Idea that Choo is injury prone come from? He got hit in the hand by a Jonathan Sanchez fastball but outside of that he’s been healthy 156 games in 09, 144 games in 10, 95 games so far this year

Ron Opher
3 years 1 month ago

TJ surgery in 07-08 and back problems at the end of last season to go with the broken thumb.

3 years 1 month ago

156 in 09, 144 in 10 and 95 this year… the TJ surgery was in Sept 2007 and he got called back up at the end of May in 2008… to call him injury prone is a bit much