Quick Hits: Padres, Victorino, Red Sox, Liriano

ESPN's Buster Olney says (on Twitter) that one NL official called Saturday the calm before the trade deadline storm. Hanley Ramirez and Zack Greinke have already been traded, but there are still nearly three full days to go before the deadline. Here's the latest from around the league..

  • The Padres are leaning towards keeping Chase Headley and Huston Street unless the market changes considerably in the next few days, reports ESPN's Jim Bowden (on Twitter).
  • The Phillies are suggesting to interested teams that they may still sell Shane Victorino and other pieces, but also may wait right to the deadline tweets Danny Knobler of CBSSports.com.
  • The Red Sox are willing to deal from their bullpen and outfield surplus in order to upgrade their starting rotation, sources tell Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports (via Twitter).
  • Neither Francisco Liriano or the Twins pursued an extension for the left-hander (Twitter link), GM Terry Ryan told reporters (including MLB.com's Rhett Bollinger). The White Sox acquired Liriano earlier tonight.
  • Before Marco Scutaro was traded to the Giants, the Yankees and Athletics also tried to acquire the veteran, tweets Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports.

Mike Axisa contributed to his post.

39 Responses to Quick Hits: Padres, Victorino, Red Sox, Liriano Leave a Reply

  1. Phillies_Aces35 3 years ago

    “They might wait until right at the deadline.”

    What is one game really going to tell them that they haven’t seen since the All Star Break? They dug themselves too big of a hole. I understand wanting to give the veteran players a chance to win, but at some point reality needs to set in.

    • philliesfan123 3 years ago

      At this point, I agree. I had some hope they would make some kind of comeback after the 4-game win streak but I think even if they were to get the Wild Card they wouldn’t win a series. I say trade off everybody but Pence, Lee, and maybe Rollins.

      • tr2008 3 years ago

        Why would you not want to trade Rollins? He and that contract are brutal.

        • Max Power 3 years ago

          Because neither of those things is true when you compare him to other MLB SSs.

          • tr2008 3 years ago

            Id tend to agree with you more if he wasnt a leadoff. As it is, he is a 10 mill plus a year player well past his prime. Is that not true? His on base pct is atrocious and the fact is the phillies could have gotten someone like furcal who is cheaper and 50x the player rollins is overall this year

  2. padresfuture 3 years ago

    This is good news. The Padres need to keep Headley unless overwhelmed. Glad to se Byrnes doesnt undervalue Headleys worth.

    • greengrove 3 years ago

      I realize that they’re high on Gyorko, but if the Padres could buy out a free agent year or two along with the remaining arbitration for Headley, I would be ecstatic.

      Trade Gyorko in a prospect for prospect trade (maybe for a right fielder?) and that lineup would start looking fairly solid.

      • padresfuture 3 years ago

        I was thinking the Padres would be wise to buy oit a year of FA on Headley with something like 3 years 25 to 30 mil. Keep Gyorko and play him at 2b even if his d is no better than average there. If the new ownership wanted to be serious they would sign a guy like bourn in the off season. Bourn will solve the legit leadoff spot need and play above average RF defense. Imagine a lineup:

        You would still have bench guys like Guzman, Forsythe, Amarista, and Hundley. This team is Bourn away from being serious division contenders.

        • greengrove 3 years ago

          Bourn is having an amazing season in his contract year and is represented by Boras. His contract will likely be huge. Plus we’d be transitioning him to right field when he has more value as a center fielder (solid hitting center fielders are harder to come by).

          As nice as it sounds, it might be a little optimistic.

          • sdsuphilip 3 years ago

            I’d rather do a deal surrounding Gyorko and maybe 1 other decent prospect for a good RF, also extend Headley and buy out 2 of his free agent years.

        • Ed Duffy 3 years ago

          It’s nice to dream

        • You’d still be the Padres…

        • briankoke 3 years ago

          I wouldn’t touch Bourn with a ten foot pole. His next contract is going to make him overpaid and much of his value comes from his CF defense. He doesn’t have the bat for a corner.

    • Shawn 3 years ago

      You Pads fans keep drinking the Kool-Aid… “undervalue Headleys worth”… You do realize we’re talking about a guy with a career high of 12 HR and a .268 BA right? A guy like Yunel Escobar should demand more in a trade than Headley. He had almost 70% more WAR than Headley last season. He has better numbers and plays a premium defensive position. Headley is grossly overrated. Keep holding out for those top prospects…. they aren’t coming.

      • greengrove 3 years ago

        Home runs and average are not good indicators of worth. Headley had solid metrics (hence the “undervalued” opinion).

        Also, WAR takes position into account.

  3. greengrove 3 years ago

    First time I’ve heard Headley could stay. Then again, nothing said by management a few days before the deadline should be trusted.

    • Manny Being Manny 3 years ago

      I don’t believe it. I think its just a ploy to get teams to up their offers or he won’t be traded. I still think they’ll take the best offer available when the deadline is near.

      • Sd_brain 3 years ago

        I agree, but Byrnes is a really unpredictable GM- we’ll see what happens

  4. iheartyourfart 3 years ago

    Headley for Upton this offseason. Calling it right now. WAR pegs them as pretty similar. Upton is younger, but Headley is cheaper and has more positional value. Byrnes loves Upton and gave him a multi-year deal while in AZ. Towers has been asking on Headley for weeks, and originally drafted him in San Diego.

    • padresfuture 3 years ago

      From an actual value perspective and team need you are spot on. However, there is still th eperception that Upton is a future HOF’er. This deal would solve the RF for Padres. Who knows?

      • greengrove 3 years ago

        I’m a Padre fan too but Uptons 25, 26, and 27 year old seasons for Headleys 29 and 30 year old seasons doesn’t sound even. Even if you include the discrepancy in pay. Upton is a more valuable commodity at this point.

    • sdsuphilip 3 years ago

      It’s funny how Towers seems interested in Headley now as the management treated him like **** when he was in the padres FO.

    • Bob 3 years ago

      It would take Headley and multiple prospects that you just dont have right now.

      • SD has as good a farm in the majors. In offseason if padres offered up a package of headley, gregerson, venable type and an arm like Casey Kelly for J Up it would be a done deal, Towers loves his own guys and all of them would be ( except Kelly)

      • johnnycomelately9 3 years ago

        Pads have the deepest FARM in baseball. They have EVERYTHING so you’re WRONG. BTW If you put Headley in Tampa and Longoria in Petco Headley would be a star and people would say Longo is just ok. Fun Fact? Who won the Texas League MVP award in 2008 Headley or Longoria? Answer: Headley!

  5. Teixeira vs. Headley

    I posted this in the comments section of the last update but I didn’t want it to get lost and wanted to see some people calling Teixeira the far better player comment on this:

    The funny thing about all this Teixeira talk and comparisons is people
    don’t even realize Headley is still so underrated that he’s been worth
    just as much as Teixeira was the three years before he was traded.
    Teixeira fWAR from 2004-2006 was 13.4 and Headley’s fWAR from 2010-2012
    (with 2012 pro-rated) is 13.6. So it’s funny I keep seeing people call
    Teixeira a superstar and Headley just a good, cheap player.

    • greengrove 3 years ago

      Chicks (fans, and gms) dig the long ball. Headley does not hit many home runs. He is not that number 3 or 4 hitter that strikes fear into the opposing pitcher.

      As cynical as that sounds, I believe the perception is everything in this case. And the perception is Headley is a solid, blue collar, player. Not a potential star.

      • If you believe home runs are the end all be all then you’re wrong. Why have they amassed similar fWAR if home runs are so important? They’re glamorous but overrated like BA, RBI, R, ERA, and WHIP. None of those stats are the best possible (or even close to the best possible) representations of a player’s skills. He may not be a #3 hitter but that isn’t the most important spot in a lineup; that’s reserved for the #2 and #4 spots, if you have ever read The Book. Headley is the ideal #2 candidate.

        You bringing up home runs is just a side step of the main argument: why are their fWAR so similar? Home runs are mostly irrelevant to a player’s value, and pretty much meaningless as a single stat when to attempting to evaluate a player. I’m guessing you think Ryan Howard is a superstar, too right? Yeah.

        And if you think smart GMs value home runs this much…..they dont’

        • greengrove 3 years ago

          I was agreeing with you. All I was saying was that perception drives down his value more than his numbers do.

          Headleys metrics show more than his batting average and home runs do.

      • briankoke 3 years ago

        The problem isn’t that Headley isn’t this or isn’t that. The problem with the perception of what kind of player he is, is Petco Park.

        • 1980CHAMPS 3 years ago

          Petco has actually raised his stock. Everyone is assuming if Headley is out of Petco his stats across the board are going to raise substantially. Its not happening. He strikes out a bit which Petco has nothing to do with. His BA, OBP, & HRs will improve at most any other park…but not nearly as much as the Friars want everyone to think.

          • briankoke 3 years ago

            There is zero basis for that opinion and a very large basis behind his numbers being substantially better in any other park.

  6. Ed Duffy 3 years ago

    bullpen and outfield surplus….lol

  7. bonaparte3 3 years ago

    There’s still time until the deadline; I expect more moves.

  8. Luke G. for V Wells, and the Angels pay 80% to 90% of salary of Wells?

    • briankoke 3 years ago

      Why would the Padres trade a valuable relief pitcher for garbage and have to pay some of his terrible contract too? Even if they paid 100% of his contract, they aren’t going to get anything that valuable. They’ll be lucky if any team takes on any of that contract and has to use one of their roster spots on him.

  9. Sd_brain 3 years ago

    I definitely wouldn’t mind keeping Headley, but if they do the Padres need to strongly consider bringing up Gyorko soon. Whether we keep Headley long term or trade him in the offseason the Padres need to evaluate where Gyorko fits if we keep Headley, or they need to have a strong sample size to see if Gyorko can indeed take over for Headley before we move him in the offseason.

  10. GoAwayNow 3 years ago

    If Ben can turn Fat Albers and Frankensweeney into a starting pitcher I will kiss his toes.

  11. 1980CHAMPS 3 years ago

    Rube is the second coming of Randy Smith.

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