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Mets Closer Plan Starts With Free Agents

Let's try to decipher the Mets' strategy for acquiring a new closer.

  • Bart Hubbuch of the New York Post says the Mets will pursue a free agent out of the gate, perhaps with Brian Fuentes ranked above Francisco Rodriguez on their list.  Still, K-Rod's agent noted that they're not "wedded" to a five-year deal, and he didn't toss the reported $15MM demand out there.  Hubbuch believes the Mets will move on to trade targets such as Bobby Jenks and Huston Street if they fail to sign Fuentes or Rodriguez.
  • Ken Davidoff and David Lennon mention J.J. Putz as well, while suggesting the Mets don't love Street.  They agree that the Mets will try free agency first, with Kerry Wood a third target.  Davidoff likes Jenks over K-Rod, but expects it'd cost Fernando Martinez and maybe Bobby Parnell.  The White Sox have reportedly scouted Parnell and Eddie Kunz.


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I don't understand. Okay, the bullpen needs to be completely redone becuase it is just plain bad. Trade show.,felic.(maybe),heilman, sanchez and get Krod. Okay Krod will be closing but why not pursue another reliever that could close out the 8th and have a shutdown duo with jenks. Also why not only acquire jenks,krod and go fora biemel or someone of his calibar. Have 3 guys that you can rely on,period and not just hope things will be all smiles after Krod being the closer. The Mets have about a good 45 million+ to spend this offseason. I say get Krod(cost about 13 million a year),Jenks(controlled for 3 years,aka could trade him after 2 if he blows out the NL,and another reliver for maybe(around 5-6 million) so that is about 22 million spent on the bullpen. Theres still money to sign hopefully resign Perez for 14 million a year and a maybe go for a 2-3 year contract on sheets(would be a killer rotation)but if not sheets, Neise will be just fine. And if your not signing sheets why not sign Hudson to play second and murphy will take LF. All problems solved within budget.

I think you can basically put K-ROD at Citi Field now. I don't see him going anywhere else now since the Angels backed off. That's fine, let's have at him. Hopefully the Angels wore him out last year.

The guy the Sox will want for Jenks is Daniel Murphy. Along with probably one of Niese or Bobby Parnell, and Eddie Kunz (can contribute now).

The Sox aren't rebuilding. They need players who will fill voids NOW (mainly 3B/CF). Murphy at 3B fills one. F-Mart is a few years down the line and won't fill a void until then.

Also on Neise, do not trade him under any curcumstances. When I see that Kid pitch, Im seeing the old Barry Zito. I dont know if thats just me but that child looks like he could evolve into one sick animal of a pitcher.

Id give the sox to choose within parnell,kunz,carp,f-mart or anyone else but niese,murphy.

They need to get serious and sign K-Rod. If you're going to sign a closer, get the best.

"Davidoff likes Jenks over K-Rod"
I'll take a guy who throws 92mph and can strike guys out over a guy who throws 100mph and can't.

You need to watch some baseball than ice. Jenks throws 95-96 and doesnt need a ton of strikeouts because he gets so many groundouts on his curveball and cutter. Not many people remember, but Jenks was a starter and can throw 5 pitches. He just knows his heat and hammer work best.

"When I see that Kid pitch, Im seeing the old Barry Zito. I dont know if thats just me but that child looks like he could evolve into one sick animal of a pitcher."

Oh yeah. I've seen Zito pitch so many times in his heyday, and I see the Niese/Zito comp, although I havent seen that much Niese.

But remember though, Barry was very lucky to have as much success in his heyday as he did. His sparkling ERA did not reflect upon his overall peripherals: he had many favors done by the A's defense, the pitcher's park he played in, and sheer luck.

In my opinion Jenks is better but K-rod is no scrub. I would rather have Jenks but the Mets need to adress some other posistions as well (Left Field) that will likely need to be done via trade so it might make more sense to keep the prospects, sign K-rod, and then trade for a left fielder (Jermaine Dye maybe?).

I would also look at possibly acquiring Houston Street as well. He's a solid reliever who could thrive as the 8th inning man. I heard the Rockies like Heilman so a deal based around him could get that done.

Then I would sign Lowe and possibly even Randy Wolf or maybe make a trade for Jermaine Dye and take on Vasquez's contract as well seeing as the White Sox are interested in moving both of them.

Also on Neise, do not trade him under any curcumstances. When I see that Kid pitch, Im seeing the old Barry Zito. I dont know if thats just me but that child looks like he could evolve into one sick animal of a pitcher.

Can we please see him pitch more than a handful of games before we go making ridiculous statements? If you're talking about the game where he beat the "Richmond" Braves then ya he could do great in AAA but he still has much to prove. I understand not wanting to trade an unknown commodity but that's all Niese is at this point.

"You need to watch some baseball than ice. Jenks throws 95-96 and doesnt need a ton of strikeouts because he gets so many groundouts on his curveball and cutter."

Agreed. Over the past few years Jenks has become a pitcher as opposed to the "thrower" he was when he first showed up. Yes, he pitches to more contact now, but he has still shown that he can throw the 95-97 mph when he has to. Bottom line is the guy is damn good and gets the job done regaqrdless of his K rates.

"Can we please see him pitch more than a handful of games before we go making ridiculous statements? If you're talking about the game where he beat the "Richmond" Braves then ya he could do great in AAA but he still has much to prove. I understand not wanting to trade an unknown commodity but that's all Niese is at this point."

Comparing his stuff/makeup to a successful pitcher's and anointing him the next big thing are two widely different things. Niese has great upside. Is he a great MLB pitcher yet? No.

That's just like saying Carlos Carrasco has sick stuff and could be really good.

Just to let you NON-Mets fans know, I went to 12 games last year, and saw the 9th inning bullpen blow 3 different leads. If you had a closer come in and close out 2 of those games, you would have been the Wild Card, with an option of winning the world series and 30 Million dollars for it.

Spend the Money on the bullpen, and deal with lower end #5 starter.

Johan, Maine, Pelphrey, Niese and Wolf/Pavano...sign a Japanese FA and they should be set .

"I'll take a guy who throws 92mph and can strike guys out over a guy who throws 100mph and can't."

All of K-Rod's extra walks make up for those extra strikeouts.

Jenks doesn't walk a lot of batters. K-Rod does.

Please stop with the whole
1) pick up Street for the 8th and K-Rod for the 9th;
2) pick up BOTH Fuentes and K-Rod;
3) pick up Jenks for the 8th and K-Rod for the 9th;
4) pick up K-Rod, trade for Putz, then sign Beimel and Cruz for middle relief
etc.

The Mets will NOT pick up two closers to pitch for them next year for two separate innings along with two Type-A middle relievers and some 3 year/$12 million guys for the 6th inning. This is a ridiculous proposal. Aside from the fact that Billy Wagner is on the books for $10 million next year, the Mets have other holes to fill. They can't just stockpile closers due to salary restrictions, draft pick consequences with free agents, etc. Expect for them to possibly pick up a traditional closer along with more underappreciated guys to get fresh faces for middle relief.

melonis,

yes absolutely. Carrasco has good stuff but i wouldn't dare compare him to anyone yet. Prove it for a year+ and then IMO the comparisons can begin.


I also agree with MattyMets. What closer is going to want to go anywhere to be a setup guy? Won't happen. No one that's a major leaguer will admit to being a second choice of a closer.

I also like the fan above who gave the $45 million to spend comment. In this economy? How is Citi Field selling BTW? That would put their payroll about $170 million, no? Are they really going there?

''Just to let you NON-Mets fans know, I went to 12 games last year, and saw the 9th inning bullpen blow 3 different leads. If you had a closer come in and close out 2 of those games, you would have been the Wild Card, with an option of winning the world series and 30 Million dollars for it.''

Ditto. I remember three off the top with my head, along with the most nauseating one of all in Game 162.

I love the idea of having Niese being placed in the role as the #5 starter along with signing Odalis Perez as insurance in the likely event that someone gets injured. I would let the kid roll with a starting rotation spot instead of trading him for a fix at closer. I can't imagine signing free agent starters at this point with all of the big money they have been getting the last few years. The Mets could also pick up a Kyle Lohse-type just by sitting out for a little while a lot of teams are jumping all-in on overpaying some of these guys.

"You need to watch some baseball than ice. Jenks throws 95-96 and doesnt need a ton of strikeouts because he gets so many groundouts on his curveball and cutter."

He barely had 4.5 K/9 this year. 4.5 K/9 is the lowest a pitcher can get without relying heavily on the defense behind him.

Interesting states from metsprospecthub.blogspot.com

Miguel Cabrera, age 19, A+: .274/.333/.421/.754
David Wright, age 19, A: .266/.367/.401/.768
Fernando Martinez, age 19, AA: .287/.340/.432/.772

Also,
John Sickles of minorleagueball.com has recently returned from a trip to the AFL. Sickles, however, did not have a chance to get a first hand look at Murphy because Murphy was sidelined with his forearm injury, but, Sickles had a chance to talk to some scouts about Murphy's defense, and the reports weren't encouraging for us Murphy fans.

From Sickles himself:
"People I talked with said his glove was not going to work at second base."

Now take that for what it's worth, I mean, Murphy is still learning 2B, and hasn't had enough time to get comfortable with the position.. But it seems like these particular scouts didn't see enough out of Murphy to think he could handle 2B.

icedrake,

In my opinion strikeouts are an overrated stat. More so for starters than relievers, but still overrated. If you have a decent defense behind you, you don't have to go out and throw your hardest every time and try to get strikeouts. Let the defense do what they are paid to do, and field the ball. Plus I'd rather have a guy who averages 4.5k/9 and has half the walks of a guy with 9k/9 and more walks. Walks are a guaranteed man on base, balls hit into play are more likely to be outs than hits.

If you look at the difference between krod and Jenks, Krod allowed 88 players to reach base, while Jenks only allowed 68

no, no, no, ice. dont look at stats. watch the games. we are not talking screaming ground balls. we are talking bottom of the bat grounders that three hop to the shortstop and are easy outs. His main problem is throwing too many curveballs after the count is 0-2 and 1-2, then he sometimes leaves one up. He gave up 1 hr all year. 1. I think K/9 is overdone if you can get outs. He does make things interesting with baserunners, but if you want to talk about that, you already know K-Rod plays with fire every game.

''Now take that for what it's worth, I mean, Murphy is still learning 2B, and hasn't had enough time to get comfortable with the position.. But it seems like these particular scouts didn't see enough out of Murphy to think he could handle 2B.''

Interesting information about Martinez's AA numbers.

If I had to take a guess out of what Omar is going to do, I say Castillo will stay and the Mets will attempt to see if his knees could withstand him batting over .240 next year. It's a sad but harsh reality -I don't know of a single team that would sacrifice anything of worth for Castillo that wouldn't want the majority of his contract eaten by the Mets as well. Everyone wants Castillo gone and so do I (despite being a fan of him when he was on the Marlins), but I think Minaya will reaffirm his loyalty to Luis and he'll rot away on the Mets roster again next year. You could only hope that he'd play adequate defense and somehow manage to post a .375 OBP next year.

I still see Murphy playing left field next year with Tatis and Endy Chavez backing him up.

Unless the Mets sign Hudson, or I recently heard Orlando Cabrera's name mentioned, to play 2B, I think Murphy will see some time at 2B during this season. Maybe 10% of the games, maybe more. If Castillo's health prevents him from playing a good 2B, then Murphy essentially can do all of the thing Castillo can. All of the talks about the offense make for good discussion, but we won't really know what the upgrade options are until the pitching situation is resolved. The Mets NEED at least 1 starter and a new bullpen. We will see how much money is left over to see where they can upgrade offensively/defensively.

Met fans, be careful what you wish for with Jenks. Who was the last pitcher Kenny Williams traded that had a great year? They usually are hurt or decline. McCarthy, hurt. Garcia, hurt. Even Garland's ERA jumped up to almost 5. Be careful. Kenny Williams is slick.

sweetswingingbw,

KW traded McCarthy because he was able to get a "similar" pitcher but left handed in Danks, Texas just didn't think he was ready yet, and they wanted someone who was ready for the MLB, they also got 2 other pitchers. Garcia I believe was hurt before traded, but the Phillies wanted proven, and they no longer were high on Floyd. Garland's ERA didn't jump almost to 5, it was almost 5 almost every single year he's been in the majors. He isn't as good as some make him out to be, he's basically Vazquez. How about Kip Wells or Josh Fogg? those guys haven't been hurt that I know of since they were traded.

The Mets are just like the Yankees, tons of hitters, no pitching. What about a deal involving David Wright for Matt Cain. Cain's a 23 year old with future Cy Young stuff. His era is great but his record is terrible due to 2 consecutive years of receiving the lowest amount of run support in the NL. My proposition would be Matt Cain, Travis Ishikawa or John Bowker and another mid level prospect. Expecting any more than that would be somewhat ridiculous considering Matt Cain has been said to hold more trade value than Jake Peavy right now.

SFG55, you can't be serious. Wright for TIM LINCECUM straight up is fair. I'd say Cain and Brian Wilson, or Cain, Pablo Sandoval, John Bowker, and two more prospects.

Minaya is bias, he will only sign Spanish speaking players. Bye Damion, bye Aaron, bet you Joe Smith is gone and they're trying to trade Wright. Resign Pedro, Perez, Tatis and go after Colon and Ramirez.
Lineup:
Reyes(sp)
Castillo(sp)
Beltran(sp)
Wright(english)
Delgado(sp)
Tatis(sp)
Church(english)
Castro(sp)

Starters:
Santana(sp)
Perez/Colon(sp)
Maine(english)
Martinez(sp)
Pelfrey(english)

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