Yankees Rumors: Abreu, Burnett, Teixeira

I don't know how seriously we can take stuff like "The Yankees aren't in on Peavy." Maybe its true, maybe its not, but the point is we never actually know what is going on behind closed doors. All these teams do so much spinning and engage in so much deception, its like the proverbial iceberg. We probably see 10% of what is actually happening, and 90% of it is below the surface and we will never know. If Peavy were traded to the Yankees tomorrow I would be a little surprised, but not by much.

What are the Yanks' views on Sheets? Isnt he a better option than Burnett??

Pettitte's agent doesn't want a pay cut for his client.

Duuuuuh!!!! Of course not. His own commission would be lower. 1+1 = 2

A package starting with Hughes AND Cano would be a starting point for the Yanks. I like Peavy/Hudson for the yankees a lot more than I like Hughes/Cano. I think Cano will be a phenomenal player soon and putting him into SD lineup with Adrian Gonzalez could help add a lot of pop to a dead offense.

Depending on what else they would need to include in a deal for Peavy, I think the Yanks should do it. By not wasting money on Burnett, they can sign Hudson and save some of that endless cash supply for next offseason when Holliday and/or Crawford will be available. Just because they have $70Mil so spend doesn't mean you have to spend it all in one offseason.

the yankees are setting themselves up for some epic fail if these big deals pavano on them. AJ Burnett is good, but not $54 million good. i dont get the hostile environment to make the best team right now, give it acouple years and make better moves, cashman must have runs from the stress these days from hank

Thunderk,

Cano would NOT be included. The Padres would have no interest in him. He makes $6 mil already. Peavy only makes $11 mil this year.

i guess Hank didn't get the memo about the economy. When will they learn they can't buy championships.

Also a question for Tim, If the Yanks sign a ridiculous amount of free agents how is it decided who gets their draft picks as comp and will they lose them from now until 2015 (at the rate they're going).

The prospects SD would be after are Hughes, Jackson and Kennedy, with the pitchers a priority. Given the rotation NY could field by acquiring Jake, and the likely small impact Hughes or Kennedy could have in 09, it seems like a good match for a trade.

i guess Hank didn't get the memo about the economy. When will they learn they can't buy championships.

I apologize for the Yankees for needing pitching and for using free agency to try and improve it.

I don't want to hear this crap about the economy and the big bad Yankees. We have a ton of money coming off the books and our starting rotation is in shambles. Wouldn't Cashman be the worst GM in history if he didn't at least attempt to fix these problems via free agency?

People that make such complaints are usually just jealous. If you're team had the market and the resources that the Yankees had, you'd be jumping up and down for a potential rotation of CC/Wang/Joba/Burnett or Lowe/Pettite. And if you disagree with that statement, then you're just lying to yourself.

if dempster get's $13M/season I am going to puke on my keyboard.

The Yankees are the prime example as to why I hate the fact that there is NO SALARY CAP IN MLB! The Yankees have offer CC an outragous contract that only a couple of team would be capable of matching. Now they want to offer Burnett a sane deal that may prevent the Braves and Jays to even compete to acquire him. Now they have Lowe under the radar.

if dempster get's $13M/season I am going to puke on my keyboard.

Posted by: mmontice | November 18, 2008 at 09:33 AM

If he doesn't take the Cubs $13 million offer he is going to get at least that or more elsewhere.

chieftomahawk,

I don't think a salary cap is the answer. A salary cap would just put more money in the owners pockets, which the players would not like. I like the revenue sharing but maybe it needs to be distributed more.

Yankees aren't the only team that overspend either. Look at the Dodgers with their failed contracts: Andruw Jones, Pierre, Dreifort, Kevin Brown. Look at the Giants with Zito. Rangers with Millwood, Padilla and Chan Ho Park.

GMs are rich housewives with nothing better to do than spend someone elses money. Just like a rich house wife they overspend on stuff they don't really need.

Scottsdale ... you are correct about the draft pick scenario.

I would prefer to see a rotation of:
CC
Wang
Burnett
Mussina
Joba

Andy is better going back to Houston and getting $12mil ... that's the max I would pay him (think about it ... Mussina made $11mil last year).

the yankees problem his they like to keep players after their prime or trade for ones that are out of their prime

Maybe bringing names like AROD, CC, Texeira, will not bring championships, but it will certainly sell a lot of Jerseys, increase the price they charge for ads on the "Yes Network." I think Arod is the only player that has realized the potential of generating revenues from advertisement since he is the only one with an entertainment agent. It's a new game people. Mark McGuire and Sammy Sosa (Later Barry Bonds) all change the face of the game. It became about "The Show" and making the big money (e.g. Manny Opting out on Red Sox). Do you hear quotes like these anymore, "I want to thank the good lord for making me a Yankees"??? No you hear things like, "I'm glad the yankees are in it cuz i will get a bigger contract"

my bad, i meant to say are NOT bred overnight.

letsgoyankees,

after i re-read it again i would assume you meant that but admitted this @&#@*#& TypeKey doesn't let you make adjustments.

that makes sense now.

I agree with pettite's agent asking for way too much and to the person saying they should ask moose to come back, how do you know moose will perform like he did again? Gotta hope Wang comes back 100% and im not surprised that they are going after the top available pitchers, but it is funny how like someone already said that they were gonna keep there "kids" and go from there. Outside of Jaba they must see kennedy and hughes as failures because they didnt "produce now". I had the braves highly unlikely to land burnett just for this reason that they would be willing to overpay to get them, but now with this speculation that CC wants to play in LA, that may shake some things up.

Honestly, 5/80 for A.J. Burnett has disaster all over it. The guy has never seemed to perform really well except when a payday is forthcoming, and even though he probably has top 5 raw stuff in all of baseball, he doesn't have the command to consistently execute it. He's a solid 2/3 starter, but 5/80 is really more ace/good 2 money.

Will tell you why not 110 b. Melvin I mean HiHaters6. Everybody knows CC strong attaachment to the NL and the west coast. Yankes need to offer something strong. If they had offered 110 wouldn't be enough for him to go to the Yanks. Now when you offer 140, that will put you to think. Yanks couldn't offered something too close to the Brewers deal because he would take the Brewers offer.

"Trade for Peavy (makes less than Pettite did) by giving away Jackson, Hughes, Kennedy, 4th prospect."

The bright side is that you are the first poster in the history of posting to not grossly overvalue a package of Yankees players. Unfortunately, you've gone so far to the other extreme that you would think Peavy was half-man, half-god, with a golden rotator cuff, titanium elbow, and platinum hip flexors.

DD,,kudos to you, THAT was freakin funny!

yankees are a prime example of a team that uses there farm once in a blue...they rather buy free agents, throw ridiculous money at pitchers to fix there problems...

Hey there Mets fan, isn't that what you're doing with K-ROD and Juan Cruz etc?

oh and DunkinDonuts. he's undervaluing the Yankees prospects becuase he's a METS fan.

And congrats to Dustin Pedroia, the AL MVP. Yet still only the 2nd best 2nd baseman in the majors. The best one is on the "WORLD FREAKIN CHAMPIONS"

All this nonsense about too much money for burnett, who cares? Yanks have enough money if he doesn't work out send him to the minors, trade him whatever as long as we don't give up good prospects and keep getting better the money is the least of my concerns.I do agree its too big of a contract for a person who always gets hurt when it isn't his contract year, but I really think the yankees could care less.

Also, they are opening up a new stadium and some how they will have to justify why $200 dollar seats in the old stadium are now worth $2,000. I think showing them a roster of potential hall of famers will justify that.

I'll say this again. I know the Yanks end game every year is to win a world series but I think we can all agree that Arod give 110% every year to stay in great shape and plays his ass off thru injuries and booing fans. I don't think there's any doubt about how badly this dude wants to win. It's the one thing he wants to do. You can't hate this guy because he has the ability to command the absurd amounts of money he gets. Blame it on the owners. We're mad at a multi-millionaire who's getting paid by multi-billionaires. He's not taking any food out of anyone's mouth and he absolutely NOT prohibiting the Yanks from signing whomever they want, which is evident to the amounts of money the Yanks are willing to pay a combination of CC, Burnett, Lowe and possible Tex.

Booing this guy or calling him a flop is absurd as people wanting to sign Lowe based upon how he performed in the 2 post-seasons with the the Sucks. If all we are conerned with are player who play well in the post-season then let's trade Arod for Aaron Boone now and see if we even make the playoffs. I'll be the first to say that Arod choked in previous playoffs but while t takes heros like Aaron Boone and Buckey Dent to help you win the big games in the world series, it's players like Arod who help you get these. You can trade away his play over 162 games for what he does in 10. In no way shape or form is he holding this team back or preventing them from winning # 27. We're not a team shopping on the cheap and we dont have a salary cap. Even if we did the Yanks signed for his value off the field as much as they did for his value on the field.

I'd rather the Yanks take a fly on Oliver Perez for 3 years/45 mil rather than signing Burnett. I think I read somewhere that the last 2 years he's pitched 200 innings were in his contract walk years (05 when he became a FA from the Marlines and now in 08). That worries me a lot.

It pisses me off that ever since the Yankees got Swisher I have to listen to knuckleheads on the radio shows complaining about it? Do they realize that this is probably one of Cashman's best trades? Do they realize that he absolutely heisted Nick Swisher from the Sox? I guess the answer is no, they don't realize it. And it is just sickening.

Giambi was definitely worth it?

Here are the cold hard facts.

-- Giambi has been awful in the field.
-- Giambi is a terrible baserunner.
-- The Yankees managed to make it to the WS once in Giambi's 7 years.
-- Giambi's adjusted present value contract was approximately $20m/year.

During his 7 years his average season was:

Games: 128
AB's: 419
R: 74
HR: 30
RBI: 86
BA: 260
OBP: 408
SLG: 521

I count 4 out of 7 years where Giambi earned his keep. The other 3 years were extremely subpar when compared to his salary.

You could install a cap and a floor. $120m cap and a $60m floor would be reasonable.

Teams under $50m today could (in most cases) raise payroll to the $50m threshold and stay profitable.

And people who want to lambaste the Yanks for their contract offers please keep in mind that the only pitcher the Yanks have signed to a huge deal (years/dollars) was Mike Mussina (6/88). It's the other teams signing guys like Hampton, Dreifort, Park, Brown, Zito, etc to bad deals that have set the precedent.

Zito signed for 7/125 (est)
Santana signed for 6/135
CC ??????

And when it comes to Arod, we weren't the ones who signed him to the 10/250 mil deal. When it was time to re-negotiate were we suppose to ask him to take a pay cut coming off of a monstrous year in 07?

I have no problem with the Yanks paying the top dollar for the top talent (Arod, CC, Jeter) etc). If Pujols continues to have MVP type years he'll be pulling down numbers that might eclipse Arod's deal too. It's deals like JD Drew that set the tone for better players to get better money.

"Oh and most "World Class brands/organizations" aren't run by idiots. That's what Hank is. The best thing he ever did, or ever could do was be born into that family."

Hank may be an idiot, but George was no idiot. And btw, James Dolan begs to differ about idiots running world class brands, and MSG seems to be doing alright. Besides, Hank is in charge of the team, I am sure they have other people figuring out how to make money thru adds and merchandising and all that. Hank or not, the Yankees are a brand, as was said before, and they are free to spend whenever/whatever they want on whoever they want. It is what it is. And guess what, life is not fair, and this is no exception.

YanksFanSince1978,

do you forget Carl Pavano so soon? I'm sure there are others too.

nrmax88,

Yes, George is NOT an idiot. Some of the things he said/did were idiotic, but anyone who buys the Yankees and has the foresight to see what it COULD become can't be construed as an idiot. that being said firing managers every other Thursday as he did in his earlier years was idiotic along with many of his other individual acts.

And Dolan is a BAD example. He basically owns a monopoly (Cablevision). A monkey could run that company (and he pretty much does and is).

Towney007:

amazingly well thought out and contructed post! you hit the nail on the head there.

I agree with Towney, I'm glad I wasn't the one who had to type that out

YanksFanSince78,

your version of BIG long term deals and others are very different. Go try telling the 60% of MLB that 4 years 48 million isn't a big long term deal.

Heck even my Phillies won't sign a pitcher now because of Adam Eaton's 3 year $25 million albatross around our necks.

Sometimes I think all you Yankee/Dodgers/Cubs etc fans don't realize the different world you live in.

First of all, it wasn't the Yankees who drove up these prices. If you look at previous posts you'll see that the other teams (manny/red sox, zito/giants, hampton/rockies, rangers/park) that paid, w/ the exception to Man-NY lesser players huge sums of money. Once a guy who's a mediocre pitcher gets 7/120 with 16 wins and a 3.80 record then what do you think a 2x CY Young award winner will get (6/135) and then what does the reigning CY Young winner who's won 36 games and a sub 3.00 era in the last 2 years command at the tender age of 28??? Let's stop the non-sense. The Yanks are paying top dollar for the very best players (Jeter, Arod, CC). Even though Giambi's deal didn't work out perfectly he avg'd 35 hrs and 125 rbis w/ a .450 obp in the 4 seasons prior to the Yanks signing him. It probably should've been a 5 year deal instead of 7 but at the time he was a monster player coming into his prime. If you want to beef then beef at a deal like JD Drews 5 year/70 mill. When he opted out of his deal he was coming off of a career year of 20 hrs and 100 rbis. In the 4 years prior to that he had :

18-56
15-42 (injured)
31-93
15-36 (injured)

Did Boston give him a ridiculously absurd contract? Yes?

But what that does is give a smart agent like Boras an opportunity to say "Well if JD Drew is getting 14 mil a year then Texiera deserves at least 20 mil a year". And if you're a team that needs a superstar power bat what do you do? Pass because another team inflated the market or do you pay what you have to pay?

Also, how in the world do you say the Yanks paying a huge payroll is a bad business?

We have 4 world series rings, 6 world series appearances and, despite not winning one in 8 years we've made the playoffs in 13 of the last 14 years. We have more righs than any other team in that span and we are THEE most profitable and valued sports franchize on the North American continent. How can you say we're not practicing bad business? In sports how to do value a team? Championships and profitability? They have both.

Capitalism... what a beautiful thing

I mean, if you don't like it, you could defect into Cuba.

Anyways, enough with the rambling. I don't think I've seen Yankees giving such a big contract since they signed Daman in 05~06 offseason... which is relatively small to what they offered to Burnett. I sure do hope they don't go for Lowe anyways. I mean, Yankees surely did not win WS championship for years and it's a letdown considering the massive payroll they have and teams like Marlins or Rays shine at times. But the thing is that they are really consistent; even the bad year for them in 2008, they had 85+wins (forgot the exact #, maybe it was 89?) They had many years over 90+ wins over the period of time and WS champs or not, you gotta admit that they were consistent and I do think that their ability to spend money on players and buy big bucks to get some long term contracts... have to do something with it. I mean, without those they wouldn't have gotten or kept guys like Jeter, ARod, Mussina, Rivera, Matsui, Damon, etc. I like Cinderella stories mostly because of its gives feel-good atmosphere, but I have yet any of those teams become consistently good as Yankees.

we are bickering like women! arguing about things that will not change and at this point speaking just to be heard. Honestly i have been a yanks fan my whole life and been through the bad and the good. george needed to start spending but i dont agree on alot of his decisions. Sheffield instead of vladd? randy close to 40? conseco? Alot of the yanks farm system got traded away and are currently some of the best players in the majors. I dont think kennedy will amount to nothing but we would foolish to got rid of hughes,acevas and especially jackson. i have a good feeling about him.

What I don't understand is where is the uproar over the hideous contracts that were given to Manny Ramirez (8 x 20), Arod (10 x 25), Zito (15 7 x 18) or Drew (5 x 14)?

At least the Yanks are offering top money to top players (CC/AROD). I think we're overpaying for Burnett @ 5/80 but that's far from being anywhere near what the top contract for pitchers.

Let's face it. The Giants set the precedent for pitcers and the Rangers and Sucks set the precedent for hitters (Arod/Man-NY). The Yanks signed Jeter and Giambi in winter of 01 (after Arod and Man-NY's deals were signed in winter of 2000).

Stop blaming the Yanks for all the worlds ills.

Im not bashing anyone in particular here, but fans on this site bug me. every time you hear something about a trade that might happen its OH look at us we have the best rotation. no you dont, peavy isnt going to the yankees because he has no trade rights and has said he doesnt like the yanks. CC isnt going to sign with the yankees because he doesnt like that they have money to bully everyone else. he is a smart player and will sign in the place where its best for him to play... the NL. My best guess is a lower level team that is rebuilding, but not the yankees. CC has a quote someplace about not liking east coast money teams... anybody find that for me?

"and what is more foolish? having the money and not spending it. Or just sitting on it. It is hard for me to believe if any other team had that kind of money they wouldnt do the same? The yanks will eventually get it right! By the way, in my opinion the first person they need to get rid of is girardi. He is no good for the yanks. they should of persuaded larusso a little harder. I think pujols would have soon followed. please comment back."

How exactly would Pujols have followed? Last I heard he was under contract to another team, one that has no interest in ever trading him.

And please elaborate why exactly Girardi is wrong for the Yanks?

CC played in Cleveland all his career including signing an extension a few years ago. Ohio and NY are only seperated by 1 state. He may not LOVE the idea of playing for the Yanks BUT I've never heard him say that he wouldn't play in NY. As for all of the West COast teams he may not have a choice. If the Dodgers sign Man-NY I can't see them going after CC when pitching isn't a major need for them. If the ANgels sign Tex they already said they wouldn't sign another big name FA. And I can see the Giants investing another $100 mil ++ in another pitcher when they owe Zito another 100 mil, have Cain and Lincey a couple of years away from arbitration, already have the makings in of a very good staff and have numerous holes to fill in the field. Who's left? Padres, Rockies, D'backs, A's, Rangers and Mariner's? I just don't see any of those teams going after him, being able to match the Yanks 140 mil or being contenders that CC would want to play for. Even some of his friends (J.Rollins and LeBron James have said they think CC will sign w/ the Yanks). If he does great, if he doesn't then we'll be ok and so will he.

nutheads dad,

I do blame the Carl Pohlad's of the world just as much as the Steinbrenner's et al for what is wrong with MLB. There should be a floor as well as a ceiling. or preferably they should re-evaluate the revenue sharing which I'm sure they'll do when the next CBA is up.

And yes, the Yankees have been to the playoffs 13 straight years before this year or whatever it was, but you don't think a little of that had to do with Mr Torre?

Also Larussa wouldn't have come to NYC and he wouldn't have worked out here either. His personality is best in St Louis. One writer as opposed to 20. I also think Girardi isn't right for the team either. He's got a lot of learning to do when it comes to working with the media. Torre was a master of that. Heck his GM even threw him under the bus earlier this year (Mariano's injury at the end of the year). Oh and he didn't exactly leave the Marlins on the best of terms, although IMO that was less of his fault than the owner there.

Phils..the Yanks didn't get there because of Torre, he got there because of them. There is a reason he was a below .500 manager before given the reigns of the Yankees. Torre was perfect for the teams he had, in managing the personalities...the baseball man was Don Zimmer..he left and so did the titles. Dont get me wrong, I give Torre all the credit he is due, but to think that those teams couldnt have won with someone else managing is ridiculous.

Nuthead...you are so off base.
George is not making any decisions these days. Girardi was chosen by Hank and Hal.
The Yanks did not miss the playoffs because of managerial decisions. Girardi did very well with what he had to work with. They wouldnt have made the playoffs this year if God was managing them. And yes, I think he was a better choice than Larussa (at least get the name right, hard to take you seriously when you dont even know the name of your top candidate) Mattingly and Torre.

And do you know anything about Girardi at all??? Ass kisser??? I dont think so.
I don't judge a players career by one season, I wont judge a manager by that either.

I wasn't trying to be obnoxious phills. You implied that I didn't know the # of ws rings of my own team. Just wanted to let you know that I indeed knew how many we won as well as how many your's won. There's this idea that you can't be a Yanks fan as well as a fan of baseball in general and I wanted to address that belief. Didn't mean to offend my sensitive friend. :)