Astros, Blue Jays Swap Anthony Gose & Brett Wallace

Just minutes after the Astros officially acquired Anthony Gose, they sent him to the Blue Jays for Brett Wallace. The Blue Jays obtained Wallace for Michael Taylor last winter right after the Roy Halladay trade. Now, the first baseman could become the heir to Lance Berkman in Houston. 

The Blue Jays believe Gose, 19, is an "athletic, Gold Glove caliber center fielder," Jays GM Alex Anthopoulos told the FAN 590. They tried to acquire him in the Halladay deal and again this spring. Meanwhile, Astros GM Ed Wade says Wallace is a "hitting machine," according to Alyson Footer of the Astros (via Twitter).

ESPN's Jayson Stark first reported that the Astros were sending Gose to Toronto and Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reported on Twitter that the Astros were getting Wallace in return. The Blue Jays confirmed the trade.


439 Responses to Astros, Blue Jays Swap Anthony Gose & Brett Wallace Leave a Reply

  1. why would AA flip Taylor for Wallace if all he wanted was an outfielder? This move makes zero sense.

    • Sniderlover 5 years ago

      Not to mention Taylor is in AAA while Gose is in A+.

    • Sniderlover 5 years ago

      Not to mention Taylor is in AAA while Gose is in A+.

    • nepp 5 years ago

      Things change in 8 months? Who knows. Maybe they’re less impressed by Wallace than everyone here. His bat is good, not great for a 1B/DH.

      • Sniderlover 5 years ago

        He is hitting .300+, .350+ OBP with 15+ HR and 61 RBI. That’s a pretty good bat if you ask me.

        • explodet 5 years ago

          Pretty average bat for a first baseman. Adam LaRoche could give you that. A lot of Wallace’s value as a prospect is tied to whether he can stick at 3rd.

          • Sniderlover 5 years ago

            He could be a 30 HR/100 RBI with .300 batting avg. That’s average? While I do agree he has more value as 3rd but he still has good value at 1st.

          • adlenon 5 years ago

            Maybe not in all of baseball, but that just might be below average in the NL Central which is loaded with first baseman. Albert Pujols, Joey Votto, and Prince Fielder. That puts 3 guys in front of him, and therefore below average in his division, even if he could put up those numbers.

          • explodet 5 years ago

            Wallace is hitting .301/.359/.509 right now in the ridiculous hitting environment of Las Vegas. Last year the average first baseman hit .277/.363/.483 and this year they’re hitting .271/.356/.462. Even if you assume he hits EXACTLY as well in the majors (unrealistic given his track record and scouting reports in regards to his power), it’s a better than average bat, but not MUCH better.

  2. why would AA flip Taylor for Wallace if all he wanted was an outfielder? This move makes zero sense.

  3. chucktb 5 years ago

    Wow!!! What a great trade for the Astros. That’s not something you can say very often either! It’s going to keep Lee in LF next year rather than moving to 1B but Wallace has got to have a lot of value to the Astros.

  4. chucktb 5 years ago

    Wow!!! What a great trade for the Astros. That’s not something you can say very often either! It’s going to keep Lee in LF next year rather than moving to 1B but Wallace has got to have a lot of value to the Astros.

  5. Ferrariman 5 years ago

    Wallace is gonna absolutely rake at minutemade park.

    man..its gonna feel weird when he plays the cardinals.

  6. Ferrariman 5 years ago

    Wallace is gonna absolutely rake at minutemade park.

    man..its gonna feel weird when he plays the cardinals.

  7. There is no way there is any deal that’s Gose for Wallace straight up. Unless Wallace just lost an arm in a chainsaw accident…

    • like i said only way it could happen if AA lost his brain and JP took over as intern

  8. There is no way there is any deal that’s Gose for Wallace straight up. Unless Wallace just lost an arm in a chainsaw accident…

  9. Seriously, given AA’s track record so far this move makes zero sense whatsoever.

  10. Will 5 years ago

    I am shocked…

  11. Will 5 years ago

    I am shocked…

  12. IndyNate 5 years ago

    Wow, really surprised it’s Wallace. As a Cards fan, I just want to see him finally play in the majors so we can see how good he really is. Sad to see him continually traded. Surprised they didn’t keep him for next year though.

  13. IndyNate 5 years ago

    Wow, really surprised it’s Wallace. As a Cards fan, I just want to see him finally play in the majors so we can see how good he really is. Sad to see him continually traded. Surprised they didn’t keep him for next year though.

  14. philliesfan27 5 years ago

    is AA dropping acid?

  15. philliesfan27 5 years ago

    is AA dropping acid?

  16. i bet it’s wallace for gose + Jason Castro-C

    DREAM ON

  17. Well, the Fan590 must be happy. This might be the most popular interview they’ve ever had in 10 minutes. Everyone is going to tune in to see what the hell is going on.

  18. Well, the Fan590 must be happy. This might be the most popular interview they’ve ever had in 10 minutes. Everyone is going to tune in to see what the hell is going on.

  19. Will 5 years ago

    I feel like our tiwtter and messagboard are going to explode with angry Jays fans any second now.

  20. Will 5 years ago

    I feel like our tiwtter and messagboard are going to explode with angry Jays fans any second now.

  21. davengmusic 5 years ago

    sets up a berkman trade?

    • booyahtastic 5 years ago

      That is exactly what i was thinking. My guess is the ChiSox since the Dunn talks dont seem to be going anywhere

  22. davengmusic 5 years ago

    sets up a berkman trade?

  23. HerbertAnchovy 5 years ago

    This is insane. Who is the 1b of the future now?!

    • Sniderlover 5 years ago

      Lind? or Arencibia.

      • HerbertAnchovy 5 years ago

        Possibly, but it’s still a horrendous trade. I hope something is missing here. Good call on Lind, I forgot that they tried him out a while back.

        • Sniderlover 5 years ago

          Very horrendous trade. If it really is straight up… then I would have just lost all my faith in AA. Up until now, I trusted him well because he has made very good moves but this would just be dumb straight up.

          There has to be more pieces involved which may explain why it’s not official yet.

          • HerbertAnchovy 5 years ago

            I still have trust in AA, for now. He’s done so much good in his short tenure, but hopefully he does something smart soon to redeem our trust (the fans) in him.

  24. HerbertAnchovy 5 years ago

    This is insane. Who is the 1b of the future now?!

  25. Guest 5 years ago

    This is unbelievable. 30 minutes ago the entire city of Houston was ready to march on MMP, and then they spin Gose around for Wallace. Unbelievable

    I take back the previous comments I made about the Roy Oswalt deal. Well played Ed Wade, well played

  26. AA smoking some good sht i seriously wanna join the pot party

  27. AA smoking some good sht i seriously wanna join the pot party

  28. Table 5 years ago

    WTF. This is a horrible trade, Wallace is a far better prospect than Gose. Or at least a far more sure thing. Wallace is a 23 year old 1st baseman that is ready for the bigs. Gose is 19 in the low minors, is said to have good d, but has not shown anything else as of yet.

    • Ferrariman 5 years ago

      not true.

      he has shown he can get thrown out stealing.

      • Mick_In_Ithaca 5 years ago

        He’s 19 years old in advanced A ball. All the Toronto scouts love him. He covers a huge amount of ground in CF. He is raw. They had their player development guy on him many times through this season and they are certain they can develop him. He’s fast as stink. He gets on base, and will improve his strikeout ratio. The only thing he lacks is plus power, but he’s only 19.

        • Table 5 years ago

          He has not gotten on base yet. I know he is young so that COULD change, but he has a long way to go before you could project better than a 320 obp in the majors.

          • jeffdg 5 years ago

            Devon White had a 320 OBP year after year, and was the starting CF for a WS winning team.

      • Table 5 years ago

        +1

  29. ClarenceGaston 5 years ago

    AA will be on the FAN590 in 5 mins. We’ll see what he has to say!
    link to fan590.com

  30. OMG AA ARE YOU SERIOUS??? IF YOUR WANTED AN OUTFIELDER YOU COULD HAVE KEPT MICHAEL TAYLOR

    • Ferrariman 5 years ago

      taylor is sucking it up right now. Just saying.

      • and he can’t play CF like Gose.

      • Well to be fair, Taylor was playing through some injuries in May, where he had a .552 OPS. If you take out that month (assuming it was because of the injury) his OPS was .754 in April, .741 in June, and .838 in July. That is much more respectable.

  31. ClarenceGaston 5 years ago

    AA likes Springsteen..

  32. bevothephenom 5 years ago

    this is stunning…..ed wade dug his own grave and dug right back out of it in a matter of 5 hours….amazing

  33. jeffdg 5 years ago

    AA confirmed. Shocking. Straight up Wallace for Gose.

  34. ok ok ok, the SECOND i heard wallace for gose I lost it….BUT, and I might be alone on this, initially when we acquired Wallace he was supposed to be a 3B, and we ended up converting him at the EASY position to fill of 1B/DH…a lot harder to fill a CF speedy guy where we lack in depth…a 19 year old in HiA already? That’s very, very, rare…come on 76 steals last year in A ball. He can work on the caught stealing….BUT i agree why didn’t we keep taylor? unless they feel higher on Gose?

    • Sniderlover 5 years ago

      No, he was acquired to become our future 1B. Everyone knew he wouldn’t stick to 3B.

      What a fail trade.

      • agreed, Wallace a lot closer to MLB for sure…maybe they thought his defence was a bit of a problem? We won’t know for sure until Wallace succeeds Berkman and Gose matures and we see what he can do…

        On the bright side, a lot easier to replace a 1B/DH prospect than a CF prospect, but still. Shocking.

        • wasn’t Wallace ranked in the top 20 prospects… and u trade for some unproven dude in A ball…………………….

        • HillbillyHomeboy 5 years ago

          Jeff Bagwell is the Stros hitting coach I am sure they could have him teach Wallace to play the position as a 3b to 1b convert himself….

      • Mick_In_Ithaca 5 years ago

        Wallace isn’t a very good 1st baseman either. Gose is a guy they wanted in the Halladay deal, and couldn’t get him. He projects as a leadoff batter and a top class gold glove type center fielder, and Jays don’t have anybody like that in the system. What happens now is Lind plays first (and won’t be any worse than Wallace defensively), and it means your boy Snider has a place to play everyday, which is a definite positive I’d say.

        • Sniderlover 5 years ago

          I am not against trading Wallace. They should traded him for someone better or better yet, give a pitcher for Gose like Alvarez since we plethora of freaking pitching but nooooo… we should trade our 2nd best prospect for a guy who can’t even crack our top 5 prospects. Yeah, smart trade.

        • Snider had a place to play every day anyway, and burying him at DH is a horrible idea. You don’t DH a 22 year old unless his defensive abilities are at Lind levels (and even that was a bad idea). Either way, right now Anthony Gose looks like DeWayne Wise. A guy who can run, field and can’t hit a lick. I’m sure they expect that to improve, but there’s been no evidence of it so far.

          • Sniderlover 5 years ago

            I think Lewis may DH now. He’s not really great in the outfield anyways and it would be pointless to put Snider at DH.

  35. I just can’t believe this….AA just got knocked down several pegs…..this is a JP trade….I’m stunned.
    We were supposed to compete in 2 years….unless AA makes some killer deals (which I am now worried about him doing) the Jays just took a MAJOR step backwards.
    People are saying that we have a logjam at 1st – THAT DOESN’T MEAN WE GIVE AWAY TALENT
    @#$%@#$%

    • Yep JP phoned up AA and told him about how magically awesome Gose is… and he listened i bet he was gonna gave away JPA along with Wallace

  36. Fire AA.

  37. richmond20657 5 years ago

    Blue Jays got hosed!

  38. Mick_In_Ithaca 5 years ago

    AA wanted Gose in the Halladay deal. Phillies wouldn’t let him go. They’ve been on him massively for 2 years. All the scouts saw him extensively, and they had consensus on him as a guy they wanted. Evidently more than Wallace. Now Lind plays first, and maybe they’re on Montero as DH. I’m willing to trust this GM and his huge team of scouts.

    • Exactly. The entire Phillies scouting department and the all new gigantic Jays scouting system lose their mind about this guy…

      • jeffdg 5 years ago

        Something that i think has been overlooked: After listening to AA on the Fan today, clearly he offered Wallace to the Phillies for Gose and the Phillies have declined. Sure it isn’t a positional need for the Phillies, but if the talent weren’t close to equal, the Phillies would have made a trade just to acquire value.

    • moonraker45 5 years ago

      but the jays went back after wallace, made him switch positions to groom him for the start of next season. Fine they wanted gose badly, but their had to be a better way.. would it not have been easier to trade downs or buck to acquire gose? players who won’t be a part of next season regardless? You traded a 2011 starter. It makes zero sense, even if we do acquire montero, Wallace was worth a hell of a lot more

  39. pirateswillwinin2013 5 years ago

    Damn how many times is Brett Wallace going to get traded lol

  40. ukJaysfan 5 years ago

    Not that this could have been predicted, but Michael Taylor is .269/.345/.398 in AAA PCL, with only 5 HR. So the flip worked in terms of raw numbers… (Taylor for Wallace)

    • yeah the flip did work out well, apparently the A’s aren’t as thrilled with Taylor as they initially thought

    • Taylor’s overall numbers look terrible because of a miserable May (.204/.237/.315), but he was playing through an injury at the time. If you take out that month his stats don’t look nearly as bad.

  41. Brett Wallace must be like “again”

    Drafted by St. Louis
    Traded Oakland in Holliday trade
    Traded 4 team to Toronto in Halladay
    trade
    Now traded to Houston in a minor league trade
    4th team before reaching the majors lol

    • sacu 5 years ago

      Wallace was never traded for Halladay. From Oakland he went to Toronto for Michael Taylor, straight up.

  42. WOW…… I’m lost

  43. Bigger trade only thing i can think of… Montero???

    • better be Montero.. or else or else

      • adameb 5 years ago

        In his phone interview AA didn’t seem to suggest there was any other shoe about to drop as a result. He even said he’d be open to signing Overbay again.

        • blurnandez 5 years ago

          OF COURSE he said that. He’s a crafty dude, and is no way going to show all of his cards.

          • exactly man. especially because it’s AA and that’s his policy…listen to how vague he was about Bautista too.

      • indeed, rumour that the Yanks are willing to pay premium prospects for something they need (i.e. lefty bullpen help…Downs), they wouldn’t pay premium prospects for Dunn since he was more of a luxury…should be interesting to see.

    • moonraker45 5 years ago

      right i thought of that too, but then i thought to myself.. even if your about to acquire montero who would move wallace down a tick on the 1b/dh depth list.. wouldn’t you try to get more for Wallace then a glorified track runner? Or trade lind and keep wallace and montero?? i can’t wrap my head around this deal whatsoever

  44. mozelpuffski 5 years ago

    if we get gose in the doc trade then we don’t flip him for taylor – this is the player the jays wanted and could not get. all it took was two thirds of a season for the cookie to fall in place. not bad AA not bad at all – btw Lind has been practicing now all year for 1b and apparently feeling good there. lind can and will hit 25+ hr till he is done with baseball. cant have a young guy stuck at dh…

  45. mozelpuffski 5 years ago

    right on AA we get the player we wanted in the end of it all. phillies would not give us gose but after a couple of flips he ends up right where he belongs. lansing lugnuts here he comes

  46. mozelpuffski 5 years ago

    btw wallace is suppose to be a power hitter, he is being outhit from arencibia in a hitters ball park.

    • moonraker45 5 years ago

      Arencibia is outhitting everyone, wallace has displayed more the adequate power. your post makes no sense

  47. averykelly 5 years ago

    wow , initially , i was upset w/ what we got from oswalt and missing out on singleton , but this is much better .
    blue jays , i like your team , but your GM must be an idiot , like mine , ed wade .

  48. I think this is the first time as a Jays fan thinking about GM AA where I’m thinking.. WTF ARE YOU DOING!!?!?!?!!

    I’m not against trading Wallace. he plays a position in 1B that can be played by someone else. the Jays could just as easily put Adam Lind at 1B going into the future and use someone else at DH. the loss of Wallace isn’t what bothers me. what bothers me is that all they got was this Goose.
    what makes Goose so special? he is in AA right now with these numbers..
    .263/.325/.385/.710/
    this is his best season yet, as his previous 2 seasons he had..
    .259/.323/.353/.676
    .256/.293/.359/.652
    he must have A LOT of speed. this season he has 36 SB but 27 CS. last season he had 76 SB with 20 CS.

    Wallace is MUCH better prospect than Goose.
    this is what Wallace is doing this season- .301/.359/.509/.868/ 18 HR/ 61 RBI.

    the Jays could have gotten Goose AND ANOTHER similar level prospect for Wallace.
    the Jays could really regret this trade. Goose could end up being a Joey Gathright type player.

    I admit I don’t know anything about Goose other than what stats I’m looking at, but I don’t see some cant miss prospect like Wallace who is going to be a hitting machine in the majors.

    this is F’n ridiculous!!

    • briantalletsmoustache 5 years ago

      The Jays got Gose AND a player named Goose? And the Jays’ return gets bigger . . .

      • after doing some random reading apparently gose is drafted as a pitcher than can throw 97 but he wanted to play position.so now it’s not that bad of trade if you think about it wish AA gets like 1 more prospect out of it.

    • Gose has a lot of speed, but also you have to get on base in order TO steal…so you can’t just look at the average…look at the walks. The kid is four years younger than Wallace man! and walked more than Wallace this year in less games…sounds like the kind of future top of the order player I want on my team thanks.

      that being said, I do agree that giving up Wallace is a tough pill to swallow, considering our other options. But, time will tell.

    • Mick_In_Ithaca 5 years ago

      That’s why they have scouts actually watch the player. You can know nothing about a 19 by looking at minor league stats, or at least not enough to judge this deal. Wallace is by no means a “can’t miss” prospect; he’ll probably be a good hitter, mostly doubles, medium power, decent OPS — much like Overbay — but below average defensively — unlike Overbay.

    • adameb 5 years ago

      I’m betting he ends up more like Taveras, a except with a way lower steal %. At least by the time he flames out of the league, AA will have moved on.

  49. As much as I am sad to see Wallace go, it looks like AA wanted Gose for his glove. Wells isn’t going to be gold in center forever, and that is a harder position to find gold for than 1B which is usually a position anyone can play.

    No one will be complaining when Gose is diving for balls other fielders wouldn’t even get close to. I can see why this is a good deal, for both parties.

    • vick_jaswal 5 years ago

      noooo mann
      jays lost this trade big timee
      brett walace is a middle of the lineup type of guy who was going to be ready next year unlike gose
      and plus jays have needed a first baseman for soo long
      worst trade sice the micheal young trade
      AA is a moron

      • Mick_In_Ithaca 5 years ago

        Wallace is Overbay with a higher average, slightly more power, lower OBP, and poorer defense. He’s not the answer in the AL East. Whereas, Lind at 1st could be the answer.

        • vick_jaswal 5 years ago

          we’ll that’s where I disagree I think wallace is a better version of morales(of the angels) and he was ready to play nest year
          and plus this gose kid all he has is speed, yea he is young but wallace is a highly toughted prospect than gosee
          this is a horriable trade for the jays

          • Clearly it would not have been just AA evaluating this kids skill set. Obviously a whole host of people decided that they liked the bag that this kid was bringing, a bag that will certainly involve more than just speed.

    • jeffdg 5 years ago

      Wells looks worse and worse every month. He doesnt get to many of the balls he used to, especially those in front of him..

  50. damnitsderek 5 years ago

    AA must be drinking on the job. Gose for Wallace?

    This is a mind-numbingly idiotic trade.

    • Mick_In_Ithaca 5 years ago

      You don’t know the player. Gose has way more upside than Wallace. They obviously have a plan for Lind at first base, and no doubt other trades are coming. This opens the DH slot either for a variety of players (keeps Lewis, Lind, Snider, Wells, Bautista in the lineup everyday) or for somebody they’re about to acquire (Montero?).

      • damnitsderek 5 years ago

        I know about Gose. I also know about Wallace. While Wallace is a question mark defensively, there is no doubt about his bat. Toronto has no other significant power prospects in the upper minors and are ready to unload Overbay. Basically, it was a perfect set-up to get Wallace into their lineup.Also, don’t forget that they got Wallace in exchange for Taylor, another player who should be considered superior to Gose. So essentially, what Toronto has done is turn Taylor into Wallace into Gose. Gose has his share of upside, but it’s all projection and he isn’t nearly ready to help the club.I just don’t like the trade. Toronto has the potential to compete within the next year, they only need to add a few more pieces. Taking Wallace out of the equation just adds to their shopping list.

    • moonraker45 5 years ago

      i cant wrap my head around it either. I’m guessing this means jays will be acquiring montero to play 1b of the future.. but basically he traded michael taylor for brett wallace for anthony gose? make zero sense whatsoever. Especially when the jays have wanted and tracked brett wallace for so long. i just dont get it.

      • damnitsderek 5 years ago

        As much as I’d love to see the Yankees trade Montero, I can’t possibly imagine that Cashman would deal one of the best prospects in the game within the division. If Montero really develops into the hitter that scouts believe he will, it’s a decision the Yankees would regret for at least half a decade.

  51. Vernon Wells is on the jays forever basically. This move shows me AA has no intention of competing anytime soon. Throwing the “this isn’t a re-build, it’s a build” out the window.

    I still don’t understand this move. I think it’s easy to say that Overbay has overstayed his welcome in Toronto. If Overbay is re-signed I will cry for a week straight.

    You gotta feel bad for Wallace too, AA probably promised him a future with Toronto. After being traded so many times, he’s got to be doubting his skills by now.

    • Mick_In_Ithaca 5 years ago

      Wallace is Overbay without defense. If you were counting on Cabrera or Tex, you don’t know the player. He’ll hit well (as Overbay has) but he’s not going to be a superstar. Snider will be a MUCH better hitter. Lind is and will continue to be a MUCH better hitter. And if they get Montero, he will be a MUCH better hitter, at DH, and if it’s him, he’ll be in the lineup this season.

      • HerbertAnchovy 5 years ago

        I would agree that Wallace isn’t a huge power threat, he had hit 18 home runs in very hitter-friendly Cashman Field.

    • HerbertAnchovy 5 years ago

      I don’t like the trade, but Arencibia or Lind can play 1b. Overbay won’t be re-signed, and I doubt Wallace really cares where he plays. To say that AA has no intention of competing because of one trade is stupid.

    • jeffdg 5 years ago

      Wells for Zambrano?

  52. I saw someone else say Goose with 2 o’s and just assumed that was his name, but I see it’s Gose with 1 o.

    still don’t like it.

    Gose looks to have a high ceiling, but I would also say he is a big risk. high risk/high reward.
    while he may walk, it doesn’t look like he is hitting all that much. evne with the walks his OBP..
    10- .325
    09- .323
    08- .293

    I also think the Jays could have gotten more along with Gose.

    I do think Wallace is a cant miss prospect. IMO in the majors he is 300+ AVG with 25+ HR power and he would be ready to produce that next season.

    • Mick_In_Ithaca 5 years ago

      Translating Wallace’s numbers from PCL as if they aren’t inflated isn’t going to work. He might hit 280-300, but with few walks and a ton of Ks. He’ll hit plenty of doubles and perhaps 20-25 HRs. His defense is suspect.

      Lind is going to hit 20-25 HRs in a bad year. He needs to play 1st. The kid, according to AA and scouting staff, will be a gold glove CF in 2-3 years, at which time he’ll be 22. He’ll get on base, hit 300, hit a ton of doubles AND triples (he has 11 this year), steal bases and catch everything anywhere near him. And he’ll be there for 6 years after that, or longer.

      You probably hated the Escobar trade too.

      • but prospects are prospects Gose might bust consider he has 2 more levels to go while Wallace is ready for majors i think. But according to AA on FAN590 he said top CF, C and SS prospects are hard to find and almost always unavailable.

      • moonraker45 5 years ago

        Everything you said makes sense. .. but one big hole comes to mind.. why trade for wallace in the first place? wasn’t like he suddenly stopped getting walks or striking out. He put up numbers that most expected.. So why trade for wallace if you didn’t think he was a legitimate starter for years to come. Especially when the player in question, although this year has not performed, was a highly touted prospect in a position that you sorely lack. makes no sense

        • Because obviously they liked the skillset they saw in Wallace better than they saw in Taylor. Taylor was never projected to play CF. They flipped prospects for what they thought was the better of the two. Now they are flipping for what AA sees is a bigger need (a future CF that can run down balls…which VW is having a hard time doing). In trades, you can only ever take the best that is available to you at the moment.

          • bang on stark.

          • moonraker45 5 years ago

            i’ve seen your posts. coming from you, that means nothing

          • moonraker45 5 years ago

            You’re right i won’t argue. but if the goal is to replace Vernon here, which as i agree defensively needs to be done sooner rather then later. Letting Wallace play for a year and then flipping him probably would have increased his value. Gose is still so raw that you could have drafted a player who was close to his development stage at this point. they could have drafted an heir to cf, no need to go and trade for one for anything less then excess depth, which at this point wallace was not

        • nother 5 years ago

          Because a GM would have to be brain damaged to try to please the fanbase with minor-league trades.

    • ppl are saying wallace should light up PCL but he is not compare him to JPA. JPA > X2000 than wallace’s number lol. if Wallace was putting up big # like JPA than management might hold on to him, also heard his defense is junk.

    • mkl_nyn 5 years ago

      Well said. Personally, I didn’t like the trade either, but a 19 year old already in High A ball with a higher ceiling at a premium position is something that a team like the Jays need in their system. They will never be able to lure an All Star CF through free agency, but 1st basemen/DH types are a dime a dozen. Toronto has been spoiled with players like Wells patrolling CF for years (Beltran and Soriano signed to simliar deals within those few years… who would you rather have now.) One of those wait and see trades. Relax folks.

  53. Triteon 5 years ago

    Remember when Brett Wallace was “too much” for the Cards to give up for Matt Holliday? Wallace has now been traded 3 times in the last 12 months.

  54. moonraker45 5 years ago

    WHY DIDNT WE JUST KEEP JOEY GATHRIGHT!?? AHH AA everyone is allowed mistakes but trading wallace… really?

    • cuz Joey failed? and he is old?

      • moonraker45 5 years ago

        because at this point Gose has only shown himself to be a track and field star not a baseball player. . a minor leaguer with a career obp of .323 is not someone you trade a player ready to play everyday and be an impact bat.. I don’t mind the acquisition i don’t think we got fair return

        • cuz he just started hitting 2 years ago? maybe that is why

          • moonraker45 5 years ago

            exactly. so at this point you don’t know what you are going to get from him. He could be a ellsbury or crawford type, or just an expendable pinch runner type. . Do you trade a player who is a lock to be a fulltime 1b? i’m not saying don’t go and get gose, i’m saying at this point Wallace > Gose.

    • because Gose has a much higher ceiling than Joey Gathright. (emphatic period).

      • moonraker45 5 years ago

        At this point, many people know what to expect from wallace. Where as gose could be a carl crawford or a joey gathright.. you traded a small IF for a huge IF straight up, makes no sense to me. Wallace could have gotten so much more, or been a part of a package that brought back a player much better then gose. and more mlb ready.

  55. As much as this appears to be a terrible trade for the Jays, I’m going to have to trust AA on this one. Every move he has made has been money so far, why not let this one play out alittle bit before we all act like he traded away the franchise.

  56. I trust AA with all the scout we have he did his research so come down people. i was angry tooo but i came back to earth. Gose potential higher than wallace from what AA was saying. WE DON’T NEED AVERAGE PLAYERS how the hell are we gonna compete with average players

    • By being in any other AL Division.

    • vick_jaswal 5 years ago

      AVERAGEE? i would say he was above average with high potential and BASEBALL AMERICA ranked him no.17 ahead of drabek
      and if u think wallace was going to be averge so why dont we trade OVERBAY, WELLS, ESCOBAR, HILL, LIND, BUCK, MORROW, LEWIS, DOWNS, GREGG, FRASOR, JANSEEN, CAMP and whoever is left

      • pretty sure most people would consider Escobar, Hill, Lind, and Downs as above average. Wells was an all-star this year and Morrow clearly has front of the rotation material.

        • vick_jaswal 5 years ago

          yea and wallace had the potential to be better than all those names above MAYBE and that is MAYBE except morrowand wallace was ready next year and his power was just comming into its own as a 21 year old with 18 home runsthis GOSE kid can run and maybe he has alot of potential YESSS that would be right but that is a huge risk on a for sure thing

          • disagree. poor seasons aside, I’m pretty sure that any team, and I mean any, would gladly trade Wallace for Hill. Anyday. Hell, I will go as far as to say that 95% of teams would take Lind instead of Wallace as well.

          • oh, and Brett Wallace is turning 24 this August. He’s not 21.

    • Yea to compete in AL East u need Allstars players not avg players, gamble is a must to be competitivein AL EAST since yanks and sox just buy players.

  57. ButWhatDoesMineSay 5 years ago

    what’s with all this montero chat earlier in the thread? anything more than just rumours? seems quite farfetched to me.

    • Down + stuff for Montero plz ^^

      i like to dream?

    • It was merely people trying to think of a way that this was actually real. That way was that the Jays were getting Montero in some other deal

  58. I loved the Escobar trade. Escobar is going to contribute right away.
    how far away is 19 year old Gose? in AA right now and not exactly tearing it up, 3 to 4 years at least?
    Wallace could have been an impact next season. I could understand if the Jays were nowhere near contending right now and your building the team to contend in 3+ years, but they could contend even next season.
    the Jays were set with a majority of their team going into next season. OF of Lewis/Wells/Snider with Lind at DH and Wallace at 1B.
    the Jays now have to replace what Wallace could have contributed with next season in order to contend.
    both Overbay and Bautista should go this season and should not be counted on for 2011.
    even if you can move Lind to 1B you still then have a hole at DH, which is going to likely have to be filled by signing for or trading for someone else who is more likely going to cost a lot more than what Wallace would have cost.
    I really hope the Jays are not counting on returning with either Overbay or Bautista.

    • Why not Jose Bautista? You don’t like high OBP, great personality, HR power, and outfield assist?

      • Bautista is having a fluke season. he has been a bench player for years and prior to this season his career high in HR was 16. he has almost doubled his career high. I don’t think he all of a sudden found power at 29 years old(30 in October).
        factor in that and that Bautista is arbitration eligible after the season he is going to be getting a significant raise through arbitration. next season Bautista is going to be overpriced and when he comes back down to his normal type numbers he is going to be really overpriced. his value is never going to be higher than it is right now and the Jays should cash in on that to get a prospect while they can.

        • TheodoreRoosevelt 5 years ago

          Why are you so convinced that it is a fluke season as opposed to a late blossoming from a man who, as you said in your post, never really had a crack at being a regular?

          The cannon arm is legitimate. The laser-aim is legitimate. The versatility is legitimate. The power is legitimate. Maybe he won’t hit 30+ home runs next season, but do you really think he’ll sink below 20 – 25? Anybody who has been watching the Jays for the past year would not bet a cent ont hat.

        • Mick_In_Ithaca 5 years ago

          Again, you don’t know the player. Or you listen to Keith Law, who also doesn’t know the player very well. Bautista has made 2 significant changes to his swing since getting sizable playing time last August: Murphy and Gaston have taught him to load up slightly earlier, and you can see it if you look at plate appearances from early last season, or even now when he isn’t going good; also, he’s aiming to hit the bottom half of the ball, thus putting it into the air more often than not, particularly against right-handers, against whom he was heretofore unsuccessful. Those two changes have lead to more deep fly balls, and thus HRs. He leads the majors in “barely over the fence” homers, but also in “no doubt about it” homers, so I think he will continue to hit for decent power for the next few years.

          As for the price, I have no doubt that AA, if he doesn’t trade Bautista, will sign him to a team friendly contract, and Bautista has said he’d like to stay with the Jays. He’s a good player, with versatility, several offensive pluses, and I hope he stays.

          I watch every Blue Jays game, and have done for the past several years. Bautista is an impressive and useful player, and his hitting is far from a fluke. They have hitting coaches for a reason; unfortunately, not every player can learn something.

        • johnsmith4 5 years ago

          Bautista is on pace to clear well over 40 HRs….plus he has hit 40 HRs in the past 365 days…

          Other players did not hit 40+ HRs until their 30s…Willie Stargell at age 31 hit over 40 HRs (48) and was the HR leader for the first time in his career at age 31 in 1971…same happened for Frank Howard (44 HRs) three years earlier…they both went on to hit 40+ HRs after their “fluke” year.

        • paorta2 5 years ago

          “I don’t think he all of a sudden found power at 29 years old.”

          I hate it when people say this. He did, somehow. He’s not flying the baseball over the wall with kites.

    • eviola1 5 years ago

      Try A+

  59. Jays writer MLBastian on twitter..
    “ays tried to get Gose from the Phillies but talks broke down a few days ago and Anthopoulos began working with the Astros.”
    “The Astros asked for Wallace. “We tried to find ways to make this trade without including Brett Wallace,” Anthopoulos said.”

    because the Jays GM had such a hard on for Gose he stupidly was willing to give up Wallace.

    • vick_jaswal 5 years ago

      I think AA had a thumb stuck up his ass and apperently GOSE was the only one that could help him with that
      worst trade since micheal young trade

      • TheodoreRoosevelt 5 years ago

        What are you basing this on?

        • vick_jaswal 5 years ago

          hmm lets seee shall we
          wallace (even though you might not think that much of him) was suppose to be the 1st baseman of the future who was ready next year.
          I makes me soo angry is that wallace was finally becomming the player that he was though to be when he got drafted in the first round
          I mean the power was comming along so nicely and the average was there as well
          i mean its just a horriable trade as it looks right now

          • TheodoreRoosevelt 5 years ago

            A few years ago Overbay was brought in to be the 1B of the future. He’s done pretty well over that time, but not blown anyone away. I honestly don’t think we’re losing out on much more than that with Wallace.

            If we were trading out a young Carlos Delgado or a Jesus Montero, then I’d understand the anger. We’d be throwing away generational bats. But instead, we are upgrading at CF, Lind can slot in at 1B creating space for a legit power bat at DH, or we could go out and get a Montero-type at 1B perhaps…

          • johnsmith4 5 years ago

            I wouldn’t downplay Wallace….he has hit well in AAA at ages 22 and 23…..which is significant…Also of significance….Philly thought Gose was more valuable than Taylor…in fact….they did not want to trade Gose for Halladay.

          • TheodoreRoosevelt 5 years ago

            I don’t mean to downplay Wallace. The guy will be a regular 1B in MLB, and that achievement speaks for itself.

            The point I’m trying to make is that there are the Vottos, Pujols, Delgados, and Teixeiras of this world…then there are the Overbays and Wallaces…and then there are the third-raters. He is not irreplaceable.

            To be honest, I’d have been far more annoyed if we’d traded Bautista instead of Wallace.

          • johnsmith4 5 years ago

            Got your point…Big difference between Wallace and Votto

            By the way….who is Teixeira?….Is that Italian or Portugueese?

          • vick_jaswal 5 years ago

            i guess time will tell who won this trade but there are going to be alot of angry jays fans including me if wallace has a 25 homer season with 280 average or above next year with the astros.

          • TheodoreRoosevelt 5 years ago

            Yep, time is everything.

            That said, considering it will be anyone *but* Overbay at 1B next season, I can’t see a serviceable MLB 1B’s statistics being too far off the ones you mention. Certainly not enough to matter a great deal.

            It’s all about how Gose turns out, and that will take time.

          • jeffdg 5 years ago

            And Votto’s, Pujols, Delgado’s and Teixeiras are readily available some place?

          • TheodoreRoosevelt 5 years ago

            No, of course not. That’s my point: the Jays know that it’s a lot easier to get somebody the equivalent of Wallace at 1B than it is to get players with elite ceilings/talent like Gose and Escobar, which is why they take the opportunities when they arise.

          • moonraker45 5 years ago

            Teddy, heres the issue i have with your post. You’re naming allstar first baseman and comparing them to what a star minor leaguer may or may not become. Basically insinuating that at this point Wallace is fully developed and has no room to grow and become a all star, similar to votto or tex.. Lets play a game shall we.. The following are the AAA stats of Wallace, Overbay, Fielder, and Votto.. keep in mind that Wallace’s stats are still growing…1/.294/.381/.478 ops.859 22 hr2..301/.359/.509 ops.868 18 hr3..291/.388/.569 ops.957 28 hr 4..343/.396/.528 ops.923 19 hrBesides the 3rd one which is leap and bounds more powerful (fielder) the rest are pretty comparable.. Yet you clearly suggest, Wallace will be nothing more then a lyle overbay, never a joey votto. 1.Votto2.Wallace3.Fielder4.OverbayYet Votto had worse AAA stats then Wallace, and substantially worse stats then overbay, yet he has grown in to a player you list among pujols, tex and fielder..So for you to suggest that his limit is a lyle overbay is completely inaccurate, because the very same could have been said for Joey Votto who has grown to be an elite 1b..

          • TheodoreRoosevelt 5 years ago

            You only need to look at Jose Bautista to see how a player can defy their career statistics and projections, whether in the majors or the minors.

            So I do not dispute that it is possible for Wallace to exceed expectations, but like the vast majority of prospects, it is highly unlikely. What do you think a snap poll of users would think about the chances of Wallace becoming an elite 1B tell us?

            I’m not beating up on the guy. I’m sure he’ll have a long, fine career. And it would have been cool to see him in the Jays uniform, to see how he would have done. But I don’t think we’ll be taking a significant decline if Lind (or a trade/FA) plays there, and the long-term talent ceiling of this team continues to increase.

          • vick_jaswal 5 years ago

            first of all i dont think the yanks are going to give up a MONTERO type of a guy for a 2 month rental even if they get 2 high draft picks and if that happens it would be a major steal for the jays
            but back to the wallace trade i understant what u are trying to say but wallace is much different than overbay… i mean he is much bigger and stronger in size therefore there is more potential for power especially that he is only 21 just like J.P. Arencibia (sometimes it just takes time)
            and what i just dont like is who they got. this GOSE guy hasnt been doing much either and has no power potential

          • R_y_a_n 5 years ago

            Wallace hasn’t been compared to Overbay in anyway, just because they were both pronounced the “1B of the future” doesn’t make them alike. Wallace projects to be a middle of the order bat…Overbay always projected to be an average-above average 1B.

          • TheodoreRoosevelt 5 years ago

            Considering that a lot of people are going ape over the trade, it’s only right to evaluate what we’re losing – and comparing him to our 1B of the last few years is fair game, especially considering that Overbay hasn’t exactly overwhelmed the fanbase.

            Ripped from Drunk Jays fans:

            “Following up in a comment on his post, Smith explains that “Wallace could be a 25 home run hitter in 2011 and [still] not be worth three wins above replacement. And the math isn’t even hard. Say he gets 600 at-bats (+20 replacement), all at first base (-12.5 position adjustment), where he is bad defensively (-5 UZR) and hits like Juan Rivera did last season (.287/.332/.478 with 25 homers), which is only +10 with the bat. We add it all up, and Wallace is only worth 1.3 WAR.”

            To compare, Lyle Overbay was worth 2.0 WAR in 2008 and 2.7 WAR in 2009.”

            There seems to be a common consensus that Brett will make a fine 1B at the major league level, but come on, some perspective is needed here. There is nothing in the statistics or current performance to suggest that we’ve traded out a truly exceptional first baseman.

        • Mick_In_Ithaca 5 years ago

          Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Talk about thumbs up asses.

          • TheodoreRoosevelt 5 years ago

            Huh?

          • Mick_In_Ithaca 5 years ago

            What are you (ie Vick) basing this on? I’m suggesting Vick’s answer.

    • TheodoreRoosevelt 5 years ago

      In fairness, he was hardly going to say “Wallace was expendable. We didn’t value him as much as Gose. So off he went.”

  60. TheodoreRoosevelt 5 years ago

    I’m liking this trade. A lot.

    Wallace is good, but let’s not pretend he is the next coming of Carlos Delgado. I’d be surprised if he surpassed the accomplishments of Lyle Overbay…a very decent 1B, but no more than that.

    Gose, on the other hand, could be a legitimate CF stud. And he should be developed nicely by the time that Wells is on the way out.

    We can slot Lind in at 1B or trade for a genuine high upsider like Montero, or even pick up a free agent (doubtful). Wallace was a fair sacrifice. I think this makes the long-term look stronger and better for the Jays.

    • 3 teams have traded Wallace that has to say something about him, since we dont have the reports the management has we can only speculate what is wrong with him.

      • vick_jaswal 5 years ago

        he has been traded in some big deals though as a highly thought prospect that being MATT HOLLIDAY and the halladay trade
        he is ranked no.17 as a top prospect in the country and was a big part in both those trades obove and that is until noww.
        the third time is was traded apperantly as a total steal bacause the jays GM won’t stay off the bong pipe

        • that is what i was saying before AA is smoking some good stuff i want some !!!

          • vick_jaswal 5 years ago

            loll
            MAN i really hope this GOSE kid is as good as AA thinks he is because they defenatly gave up on a sure thing as a middle of the lineup type of guy

        • Actually, he was only an auxiliary part in the Halladay deal. I am pretty sure that Drabek was really the centerpiece of that deal.

      • moonraker45 5 years ago

        to the other side of that, 3 teams have scouted and acquired wallace.

      • TheodoreRoosevelt 5 years ago

        It may not be that there’s anything *wrong* with him, but perhaps there is nothing *special* about him, and that’s what encourages GMs to flip him for positional players with higher ceilings.

        He’s a hit-for-average 1B with a glove that doesn’t even match Overbay’s. That’s it, or am I undervaluing him? He certainly didn’t “tear it up” in the minors.

    • Mick_In_Ithaca 5 years ago

      Yes, I agree. Wallace has so inflamed the desires of the Overbay haters that he’s viewed as a player far better than he actually is. He is an Overbay type, perhaps with a tad more power, but not much more. Unlike Overbay, he doesn’t get on base much. And unlike Overbay, he doesn’t play first base well.

      Overbay last year was the third best player on the team, and he’s been good this year once he got over his early slump.

      Not that I would advocate resigning him. Much rather have Lind at first, even though he’s not as good defensively. Opens up the DH for resting players, or for somebody like Montero, who isn’t much of a defensive player either, but is a very good hitter with very good power. Much better than Wallace.

    • R_y_a_n 5 years ago

      Sure, Gose “could” be a stud, but he hasn’t shown any real brilliance in the minors – let’s not act like Wallace has no room for growth, as he has plenty.

  61. Sleepykarl 5 years ago

    Why does everyone think the Blue Jays can get a 20 year old, top 5 prospect in baseball for a 35 year old RP under contract for two months? AA asking for Montero does not mean in anyway that the Yankees would give up Montero.

    (sidenote, Downs has nearly identical FIP and xFIP as Joba)/

    • Downs will be type A free agent. whatever team signs him as a free agent, the previous team Downs was with will get two 1st round draft picks.
      it’s not just Downs for whoever, it’s Downs and potential draft pick compensation.

      • And the yankees are in need of bullpen help, specifically lefty bullpen help. Add the fact Downs is the best available RP right now. You can go off about FIP and xFIP, but look at the real stats of ER, BB, H/9, BB/9…no comparison.

        That being said, obviously there’s no definitive way this will net the Jays Montero.

      • but i doubt yankee will trade him

      • Mick_In_Ithaca 5 years ago

        Downs will sign a contract with whatever team he’s traded to. Or else he’ll be offered arbitration, which he would likely take since there aren’t many teams willing to give up — not two first rounders, Ed — a supplemental and another 2nd or 3rd round pick for a set-up guy.If, say, the Yankees traded for Downs, and gave up something decent, they’d likely sign him to a 2 or 3 year deal with options, and Downs would likely take it. He’d be crazy not to. Because otherwise he’d have to accept arbitration.

    • johnsmith4 5 years ago

      All Yankees have to do is name their price for Montero…and…AA will most likely pay it….as he has proven with Gose….he wanted Gose as part of the Halliday trade…but…Philly wouldn’t include him…so he settled for Michael Taylor…turned Michael Taylor into Brett Wallace…and…when Houston named Wallace as their price for Gose….AA paid it.So…for Montero…you can get Downs and whatever prospect you name….what is wrong with this deal?

      If you only want to offer marginal prospects for Downs….you want get much interest from AA

      • eviola1 5 years ago

        Halladay

      • Sleepykarl 5 years ago

        Downs + any Jays prospect still makes zero sense. It’s just not in the cards to move Montero to the Jays.

    • Mick_In_Ithaca 5 years ago

      Nobody’s saying Downs for Montero. You’re right, the Yankees wouldn’t do it. But Montero was available for Lee, right? Along with Joba, I think. So Montero’s available. Yanks want Downs. What else do they want.

      AA is pretty close to the vest as to what he’s doing, and that’s as it should be. But it has been noted by various sources that AA has been the most aggressive GM out there, going to clubs and saying: “Here’s the guy we’d like. What does it take to get him.” In the case of Gose, it was Wallace. If the Halladay deal had gone AA’s way in the first place, they’d have gotten Gose, Drabek, and D’Arnauld, and never would’ve had Wallace. There are usually good reasons why teams want the guy they want, and aggressive GMs make it happen, even if it takes a while.

      Montero? Who knows? But I’d bet that Buck and Downs get traded, if not prior to the deadline, then afterwards, and that there may be other players (minor leaguers) involved, and Jays will get solid returns. Next year’s lineup will be different, and better (including “better than it would’ve been with Wallace”).

      • Sleepykarl 5 years ago

        Yes, Montero was available for 2 of the top 5 pitchers in the game. The Blue Jays have nothing worth giving Montero up for outside of RR, whom I’m sure they wouldn’t move. Buck has little to no value btw.

  62. jeffdg 5 years ago

    Something that i think has been overlooked: After listening to AA on the Fan today, clearly he offered Wallace to the Phillies for Gose and the Phillies have declined. Sure it isn’t a positional need for the Phillies, but if the talent weren’t close to equal, the Phillies would have made a trade just to acquire value.

  63. Adil 5 years ago

    i would have liked to have gose without giving up wallace, but its not the end of the world. wallace would be an average firstbaseman, it isnt like he is tearing up the minors, AA believes the team is 2-3 years away, why waste wallace’s clock on those years when gose can contribute during the prime jays years.

  64. Lanidrac 5 years ago

    Somehow I don’t like the idea of my team’s (Cardinals) former top prospect now being the first baseman of the future for a division rival.

  65. Trade to the Reds for Alonso because Joey Votto is blocking him and NL has no DH

    • ButWhatDoesMineSay 5 years ago

      this. yonder alonso was (falsely) rumoured to be in the rolen trade last year. instead it was encarnacion, stewart and roenicke. perhaps you’re on to something here.

  66. Trade to the Reds for Alonso because Joey Votto is blocking him and NL has no DH

  67. scrapi999 5 years ago

    So who’s gonna play first base next year, Wallace played 3b in the minors but doesnt have major league defense, so he was projected to play first base then gradually move to DH. Overbay is gone, so who is gonna play first??? Like to see Bautista stay with the jays and sign something similar to Adam Lind’s contract!

    • jeffdg 5 years ago

      Dunn and his brutal defence?

    • ClarenceGaston 5 years ago

      Adam Lind will play 1st. At this point I would say that Bautista is not deserving of a Lind type contract. The Jays might as well pay him the 7M next season and find out if he is for real befoe they hand him an extension

  68. scrapi999 5 years ago

    So who’s gonna play first base next year, Wallace played 3b in the minors but doesnt have major league defense, so he was projected to play first base then gradually move to DH. Overbay is gone, so who is gonna play first??? Like to see Bautista stay with the jays and sign something similar to Adam Lind’s contract!

  69. jeffdg 5 years ago

    If Jays are going to be active in Free Agency, seems like a team that might overpay a Carlos Pena.

    • mhunke 5 years ago

      Given how the Jays are making due, production-wise, without a slugging 1B like Pena, I highly doubt they will sign ANYONE to more than a one-year deal this offseason. Unless there’s nobody else available, the Jays aren’t likely to overpay any FA’s anytime soon.

    • mhunke 5 years ago

      Given how the Jays are making due, production-wise, without a slugging 1B like Pena, I highly doubt they will sign ANYONE to more than a one-year deal this offseason. Unless there’s nobody else available, the Jays aren’t likely to overpay any FA’s anytime soon.

  70. TimmyFranchise 5 years ago

    Kinda funny reading all the speculation about who got fleeced and what type of major league player these prospects project to be. Bottom line is nobody will know who won this trade or by how much for another 4 or 5 years at least.

  71. mhunke 5 years ago

    How easy is it, in today’s market, to find a cheap, productive veteran 1B, similar to Brett Wallace, compared to finding a cheap, productive veteran CF, similar to, say, Austin Jackson? That is what AA is thinking.

    If you’re going to fill a certain position with stopgap FA’s every year, there is no better position to do it than at 1B. For years the Jays have been doing this at and 3B and SS, but every year there is bound to be loads of Ty Wiggington, Adam LaRoche, Carlos Delgado or Russel Branyon types waiting for a bargain deal. Great move.

    • vick_jaswal 5 years ago

      u are talking about brett walace –the former 13th overall pick just a couple of years who is starting todaayyy
      wayy to go AA u stupid bumm

  72. mhunke 5 years ago

    How easy is it, in today’s market, to find a cheap, productive veteran 1B, similar to Brett Wallace, compared to finding a cheap, productive veteran CF, similar to, say, Austin Jackson? That is what AA is thinking.

    If you’re going to fill a certain position with stopgap FA’s every year, there is no better position to do it than at 1B. For years the Jays have been doing this at and 3B and SS, but every year there is bound to be loads of Ty Wiggington, Adam LaRoche, Carlos Delgado or Russel Branyon types waiting for a bargain deal. Great move.

  73. InLeylandWeTrust 5 years ago

    Nice haul for the Stros. What is this, Wallace’s 4th team now???

  74. 14 Rocks 5 years ago

    The Braves need to fleece someone now.

  75. Yankees420 5 years ago

    You’re forgetting the Angels fleecing the D’backs.

  76. PujolsHollidayWestbrook 5 years ago

    All valid points, but you fail to mention a couple things. 1. The Pirates have to be on this list. They are on their way to their 18th consecutive losing season. They’ve developed players in the past, only to trade them away for cost control, often for less than appealing packages. I believe this is WORSE than not developing anyone. Giving away major league ready talent for unproven continues to snowball. The only reason they aren’t #1 is because at the moment, they are in a good position. A good farm system/development system does ZERO good if the MLB team doesn’t EVER win.

    Most likely McCutchen, Alvarez, Walker, Tabata and others close won’t be here long enough to really make a difference.

    The Pirates problem is that they won’t spend any money.

    2. The Royals are in the same boat because they too cannot perform on the field. Moore continues to add unproductive, over-priced veterans to play over players in their system. Their prospects cannot develop this way. Again, ZERO recent success. Yes their farm system is WAY better than Houston, but again, no spending (at least positive spending). They are still a long way off.

    3. Houston’s farm system is in shambles. They are loaded with over-priced contracts with unproductive players, but they do spend and they are finally trying to rebuild. I have confidence that Houston will be back, even though at the moment, they probably are the worst, although Wallace helps, I don’t have that same faith in KC or Pittsburgh.

  77. Ferrariman 5 years ago

    wallace is a top 20 prospect. i doubt they would have gotten a top-20 prospect without eating half the salary. and happ can step up right now and be a #3 behind Myers and Wandy (not that it really matters right now).

  78. Finally (the last three posts), some sense and less gut reactions. GMs make trades for very carefully thought out reasons. It is not as if he just decided after hearing the news report on Oswalt that he wouldn’t mind spicing things up.

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