Poll: Will The Reds Pick Up Cabrera’s Option?

Last winter the Reds signed Orlando Cabrera to a one-year deal in part because of his leadership abilities and playoff experience.  The veteran earned $2.02MM in 2010 with a $4MM mutual option for 2011.  If Cincinnati declines the option, the buyout will be for $1MM and if Cabrera declines, it will be for $500K.

While Mark Sheldon of MLB.com writes that Cabrera delivered on the leadership, his offensive numbers slipped in 2010.  The soon-to-be 36-year-old hit .263/.303/.354 in 123 games while playing above-average (5.3 UZR/150) defense.  Meanwhile, Paul Janish improved his offensive production, posting a slash line of .260/.338/.385 in 82 games while also playing a solid shortstop (2.2 UZR/150) in a limited role.  Janish also did a solid job of filling in for Cabrera when he was injured for critical games in August.

Will the Reds pick up their end of Cabrera's option?

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60 Comments on "Poll: Will The Reds Pick Up Cabrera’s Option?"


Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

It’s all about the intangeableas…Yes

icedrake523
4 years 10 months ago

“Talent makes winners, not intangibles.” -Sandy Koufax

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

Sold

Ferrariman
4 years 10 months ago

Janish’s numbers are deceiving. he had a .308/.392/.446 lines against lefties and a ugly .237/.311/.356 line against righties. If he were to be the regular shortstop and face both lefty and righty, his numbers would be pretty bad, especially since he doesn’t have a track record of hitting in the majors either.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

what about signing a left handed SS to platoon with Pauliewood?

Hermie13
4 years 10 months ago

Like an Omar Vizquel?

Great defensive SS (still). Hit .280 with a .347 OBP against righties this year (career numbers are better against righties too).

Still don’t think he’ll leave the White Sox….but Omar does have Ohio roots with all his years in Cleveland. Omar didnt’ sign with Cleveland and chose the White Sox cause they were closer to winning a title……well, Reds are probably closer than the White Sox.

Decligning O-Cab’s option and signing Omar would likely cost less than $4M too.

4 years 10 months ago

This option seems pretty sound to me.. Anyone have the number on Vizquel from last season. The hitting seemed pretty decent to me.

RampantRedsFan
4 years 10 months ago

True that Janish’s splits are better against lefties, but he has 2x the plate attempts against righties. So the overall numbers are not deceiving due to being platooned like many players stats who play for good managers may be.

4 years 10 months ago

do people forget his poor defense in the playoffs or his lack of hustle in the late innings of game three?

Ethanator99
4 years 10 months ago

As a Reds fan I’ve watched Cabrera everyday this season. He D was about as bad as it could be and his bat was awful too. Janish’s D is flat out awesome. Watching him pick it is a blast. I hope they don’t pick up that option.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

it’s the intangables though. O-Cab is a veteran who’s won before thats what he brought to the table and was a big reason in the Reds success.

4 years 10 months ago

What are you Dusty Baker!!!!!! That totally sounds like him.

mrsjohnmiltonrocks
4 years 10 months ago

I’m with you. Cabrera doesn’t play a very good shortstop anymore, and his batting skills have declined. If there’s any team that ought to be able to carry a weak bat at shortstop like Janish’s, it’s the Reds.

4 years 10 months ago

Honestly if after watching about 90 percent of the games this past season. I would be ok with Janish and someone else new platoon. O Cab was just kinda blah all season it seamed.

schellis
4 years 10 months ago

If all you bring to the table are intangables its time to hang it up and start coaching.

Cabrera is a poor fielder with a weak bat, he doesn’t really walk, doesn’t really run, has poor range. He does field what he gets to though and doesn’t strike out much.

Of starting SS at the major league level I would say he’s in the bottom five, and at 37 that likely isn’t going to change. If he’s a bench player for 1 million fine, but not as a starter. I decline the option and turn the position over to Janish and Cozart or trade for a SS such as Stephen Drew or Jason Bartlett.

Cabrera also could have been named divisional series MVP since he did more to help the Phillies win that series then any of their offensive players.

EdinsonPickle
4 years 10 months ago

I like the idea of trading for Drew or Bartlett. I figure the Reds probably wouldn’t have to give up too much to get one of them, and you pretty much stated all the reasons why it would be preferable to have one of them starting as opposed to O-Cab.

$1529282
4 years 10 months ago

The Reds would have to give up a LOT to get Stephen Drew. Anyone would. He’s not leaving Arizona unless it’s for a solid package.

Bartlett won’t cost you anything, but I’d look at Brignac if possible.

jb226
4 years 10 months ago

I think the default option is to keep him. He played decently (during the season anyway) and the Reds did very well, well beyond most peoples’ expectations for them for the year. It’s a sort of “don’t rock the boat” thing at work.

The real question, however, is whether or not they can fill whatever needs they feel they have, pay out the big incoming arbitration raises to players like Votto and Bruce, and still afford Cabrera. I don’t know the answer to that; I didn’t watch them enough to get a good feel for what their needs may be and how much they may cost.

My instinct is that while the money is probably better spent elsewhere, they end up keeping him.

4 years 10 months ago

Your forgetting the Ca$htelli concept though.. The Reds owner has said in the past he would spend on the right person. We do have some money coming off the books this year Harang and some of the options years won’t get picked up. Yes there are going to be some nice Arb Case Rases but maybe not if multi year deals go down on Votto and Bruce and please don’t quote that report about Votto blowing off that reporter about a multi year deal. Votto is known for not liking to talk about his future.

slider32
4 years 10 months ago

Make a trade for a shortstop.
Reyes – Wood – Valaika
Bartlett – Alonso , Frasier or Heisey.

robdicken
4 years 10 months ago

I’d trade Valaika for Reyes and I’d trade Alonso for Bartlett. But other than that, I think you’re getting rather crazy offering Travis Wood for an older Jose Reyes and either Todd Frazier or Chris Heisey for Bartlett. But that’s just my opinion.

myname_989
4 years 10 months ago

A trade to the Rays seems to make a lot of sense, especially if they could pacakge a deal for one of James Shields or Matt Garza, since the Rays are likely going to deal one of them. I’m not sure about the Reds farm system (Span, help me out!), but I’m sure a package of Yonder Alonso, an outfield prospect, a projected middle to back of the rotation starter, and a bullpen arm would get a deal done.

Rays are looking to shed salary, so they might be able to steal Bartlett and Garza if they take on both their contracts, and only end up dealing Alonso and scrubs.

redsandyanksfan
4 years 10 months ago

So Yonder Alonso, our outfield Prospect could be Chris Heisey or Todd Fraizer he an play outfield but more in field ad i would keep him. Sam Lecure as the mid roation strter and th bullpen arm maybe Jordan Smith fastball in upper 90s or Logan Ondrusek. I’ddo that for Shields and Brignac. Who would you guys rather have Graza or Shields?

redsandyanksfan
4 years 10 months ago

So Yonder Alonso, our outfield Prospect could be Chris Heisey or Todd Fraizer he an play outfield but more in field ad i would keep him. Sam Lecure as the mid roation strter and th bullpen arm maybe Jordan Smith fastball in upper 90s or Logan Ondrusek. I’ddo that for Shields and Brignac. Who would you guys rather have Graza or Shields?

redsandyanksfan
4 years 10 months ago

I mean Bartlett not brignac

redsandyanksfan
4 years 10 months ago

I mean Bartlett not brignac

myname_989
4 years 10 months ago

A trade to the Rays seems to make a lot of sense, especially if they could pacakge a deal for one of James Shields or Matt Garza, since the Rays are likely going to deal one of them. I’m not sure about the Reds farm system (Span, help me out!), but I’m sure a package of Yonder Alonso, an outfield prospect, a projected middle to back of the rotation starter, and a bullpen arm would get a deal done.

Rays are looking to shed salary, so they might be able to steal Bartlett and Garza if they take on both their contracts, and only end up dealing Alonso and scrubs.

4 years 10 months ago

Travis wood highly doubt it. The guy is already loved in Cincy.

Barlette for Alonso and maybe someone else maybe. I do this deal even.

4 years 10 months ago

From twitter:

Jocketty on Cabrera option: “It’s probably more than we want to exercise, we’ll try to find a happy medium..if not Janish would be our SS”

Ethanator99
4 years 10 months ago

Who on Twitter said that?

Ethanator99
4 years 10 months ago

Who on Twitter said that?

redsandyanksfan
4 years 10 months ago

Well remember last year when he said Janish already had the starting spot and sign O-Cab. so dont it to serious about either one. I still see O-Cab coming back and i kinda hope he does if not i think the Janish and Vizquel platoon or what about miggy tejada at short? he did play there for the Padres and he can still hit. If we miss out on Werth fo left which im sure we would what about Maggs for left? 300 average-15 to 25 hrs-80 to 100 rbis and tollerable defense?

4 years 10 months ago

Magglio I think will resign with the Tigers. And he’s solid defensively, just lackof range. He catches everything he gets to unlike Jermaine Dye(same age, usedto be a GG outfielder)could get to ball but then either drop it, or have it bounce off his glove.

redsandyanksfan
4 years 10 months ago

Well remember last year when he said Janish already had the starting spot and sign O-Cab. so dont it to serious about either one. I still see O-Cab coming back and i kinda hope he does if not i think the Janish and Vizquel platoon or what about miggy tejada at short? he did play there for the Padres and he can still hit. If we miss out on Werth fo left which im sure we would what about Maggs for left? 300 average-15 to 25 hrs-80 to 100 rbis and tollerable defense?

slider32
4 years 10 months ago

Bartlett and Garza are two very good players in the AL east the toughest division. Cincy will have to give up Alonso, Frasier, and Leake to get that quality.

4 years 10 months ago

decline! on the fact that he complained about getting no hit by halladay, not to mention he isn’t worth the money. his “veteran” presence sure didn’t help them in the playoffs this year

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

Maybe they should sign free agent to be Derek Jeter?

RampantRedsFan
4 years 10 months ago

How has Janish proven that he is not a MLB shortstop? Is it the solid defense or the fact that he was a plus player this year with the bat? Comments like this with no justification sound exactly like something Dusty Baker would say.

Not everyone can be true 5 tool players Derek Jeter used to be. Smaller market teams have to deal with a player missing a tool or two with 3 strong tools like Janish

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

i was kidding regardless. But yes, Jeter will sign for a big deal. Maybe the Reds will sign the other Yankee free agent. I think his name is Rivero? Rivera? Mariano Rivera? joke.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

Well i have some news for you. Theres a good chance it wont be 4/75…It might be 4/80.

4 years 10 months ago

Payroll at 80mil?? Where are you getting your numbers? With Harang and Lincoln gone there is 12 mil less than last year’s payroll of 74.

The_Silver_Stacker
4 years 10 months ago

I heard Rivera was signing with the Red Sox

RampantRedsFan
4 years 10 months ago

80 probably isn’t too far off… Votto and Bruce will likely take all of the Harang and Lincoln savings, Chapman is due a million, Gomes will have his option picked up for an extra mil over this year, BP is due an extra 4 mil, Bray, Cueto, and Volquez are all going to arbitration.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

I heard the chiba lotte marines

camisadelgolf
4 years 10 months ago

I don’t know about pitching–the Reds are doing fairly well there when you consider the following: Bronson Arroyo, Homer Bailey, Aroldis Chapman, Johnny Cueto, Mike Leake, Edinson Volquez, Travis Wood, and arguably more (i.e. Matt Klinker, Sam LeCure, Matt Maloney, etc.). The Reds are mainly looking to improve at shortstop and left field. With that said, the Rays may have interest in giving the everyday job to Reid Brignac and trading Jason Bartlett. Maybe we could see a deal involving both Bartlett and cash. I’m sure Alonso wouldn’t mind playing in the state of Florida again.

Hermie13
4 years 10 months ago

Very curious how Paul Janish was plus player with the bat. OPS+ was under 100,so below average according to that (albeit bad) metric. His wRC was also under 100….so below average according to that metric.

Agree on his defense though.

And FYI, Jeter was NEVER a 5-tool player. Never had a great arm and was never a great defensive player. He was overhyped in both those areas by the NY media.

Janish does not have 3 strong tools…..he has maybe 2. arm/defense. Doesn’t have power, doesn’t have speed, and isn’t a good hitter.

RampantRedsFan
4 years 10 months ago

He’s a plus hitter for his position (96 OBPS+), which has him at a 0.7 oWAR.

I agree on Jeter. I was just saying that as a point that the Reds will never be able to afford a guy like him who has average (maybe slightly above) fielding, good baserunning, and good batting.

He is a solid 2 tool. I was trying to give him batting for average after this year, but I will concede that if you look at his full body of work he is likely 2 tool. I don’t think there is any “maybe” about it.

RampantRedsFan
4 years 10 months ago

He’s a plus hitter for his position (96 OBPS+), which has him at a 0.7 oWAR.

I agree on Jeter. I was just saying that as a point that the Reds will never be able to afford a guy like him who has average (maybe slightly above) fielding, good baserunning, and good batting.

He is a solid 2 tool. I was trying to give him batting for average after this year, but I will concede that if you look at his full body of work he is likely 2 tool. I don’t think there is any “maybe” about it.

Jessamynn
4 years 10 months ago

haha that would be wild

Jessamynn
4 years 10 months ago

haha that would be wild

Jessamynn
4 years 10 months ago

I agree that Janish should get a chance, but I think he’d have to improve offensively a little bit to be an asset. Defense is obviously important, especially at SS, but if he’s destined to hit like Jack Wilson for the rest of his career then he’s not really any more useful than…well, Jack Wilson.

RampantRedsFan
4 years 10 months ago

Any team would take Jack Wilson for about 400k/year for the next two years. Many would start him.

Janish is a better defender than Wilson, but likely not able to put up the numbers Wilson had in his best years.

Jessamynn
4 years 10 months ago

The question isn’t whether or not you’d take Wilson for 400k/year; the question is whether or not that type of player is enough for a club who wants a legitimate shot to win rings.

I’m not knocking Janish, I like him. But I think a lot of people forget that the goal isn’t simply to field a competitive club; the goal is to put together a team that CAN WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS.

Look at the Twins. Great organization, great management, superstar, MVP-caliber players…but it’s all somewhat muted by the fact that they haven’t won anything. Division crowns are nice (of course), but they don’t even have league pennants during this run. The point of the game is to win rings, and I think if you’re building a team, that has to be the goal. Otherwise, it’s just “potential”, which is nice. Regular season success and post-season appearances are nice too; and those achievements do matter. But at some point, it’s got to lead to something more.

4 years 10 months ago

I love Jeter to death but if they sign him for anything more than 55M$ I’m quitting golf.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

I would quit golf either way!

RampantRedsFan
4 years 10 months ago

“O-Cab is still way ahead of Janish” —> I’m guessing you didn’t watch too many Reds games. He’s a guy that has nothing going for him anymore besides his unique ability to catch balls that could fall in behind him (which was helpful with Gomes in left).

You are being very selective by taking just this year’s defense. His career sabermetric stats are much better than this year’s.

I’m not a big “eye test” guy, but watching about 120 Reds games this year has taught me that the only reason Ocab still looks good on D is because he doesn’t go for balls that he can’t get.

4 years 10 months ago

Please admit that Janish is at least improving his hitting.. Your numbers above do suggest that for the past 4 seasons.

Not saying start him though. Decent backup player for sure though

4 years 10 months ago

Keep Dreaming and I don’t really want him on the Reds

4 years 10 months ago

Agree any suggestions on a SS. Free agent market does not look that exciting to me. I did hear someone before say maybe bring in Vizquel. not sure how much of an improvement that would be though.

4 years 10 months ago

I don’t get the feeling that Gomes will be back or if he is they will do what they did to him the past 2 seasons and low ball him.. There are plenty of Free agents OF that could fill gomes shoes. Heck they might even give Heisey a shot at everyday in LF.
Also Rhodes wants to come back and I think he will probably be back same deal probably maybe slight increase. There is also a chance Hernandez wont be back with the catcher at AAA this past season killed it. They might give him and Hanigan the duties. Also I really believe that if the right person comes up for a trade the Reds owner will open up his pocket book to get it done.