Justin Upton Rumors: Wednesday

Today's Justin Upton rumors…

  • One AL exec told SI.com's Jon Heyman (Twitter link) that Arizona's asking price for Upton is "ridiculous."
  • The Rockies inquired on Upton, according to the Denver Post's Troy Renck. A Diamondbacks official expects the team would be willing to deal within the division, though they'd have to receive a very strong offer.
  • The Upton rumors are more than just talk, says ESPN.com's Jayson Stark, who was told the D'Backs are "genuinely open" to moving the 23-year-old. However, it might take a package of five players who could help the team in the short- and long-term (Twitter links).
  • The Red Sox discussed Upton with the D'Backs late into Tuesday night, reports CSNNE.com's Sean McAdam, but talks are now stalled over Towers' latest demands.
  • The Braves are unlikely to pursue Upton after trading for Dan Uggla, GM Frank Wren implied (via Joel Sherman on Twitter).
  • The D'Backs will seek at least four or five players in return for Upton, reports Nick Piecoro of the Arizona Republic.  He believes perhaps three of those players would have to be big league ready.
  • USA Today's Bob Nightengale introduced the idea of Upton as a trade candidate on Monday, and the rumors took off yesterday.  Today, Nightengale says the Yankees' offer for Upton has fallen short but the Red Sox remain engaged.  Diamondbacks GM Kevin Towers described the Upton trade talks as "people kicking the tires right now." 
  • Towers told Joel Sherman of the New York Post, "[Upton] would be a tough guy to move.  But you always seek out the information on what teams will do because you never know if, to get one player, a team will grossly overpay."  Sherman added via Twitter that the D'Backs "have [a] growing belief [they] will trade Upton based on [a] ton of interest."
  • Sherman talked to one team executive who says the Marlins have had the most interest in Upton for a while.  An exec speculated that Logan Morrison and Ricky Nolasco would get it done, notes Sherman.
  • It's not known if the Rays would like to add a second Upton, but the execs Sherman spoke to consider them an early favorite along with the Marlins.


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447 Comments on "Justin Upton Rumors: Wednesday"


TwinsVet
4 years 9 months ago

I know the Twins aren’t going to be in on it, but Revere + Baker + ???

It’d be great to replace Cuddyer with Upton.

Too bad the Twins never make a splash with trades or signings…

4 years 9 months ago

I’m guessing the Twins would need to offer at least one other significant prospect. Revere is good but he isn’t on the same level as Morrison. Baker and Nolasco are roughly equal, Nolasco better numbers but in the N.L. and could earn a bit more through Arb.

TwinsVet
4 years 9 months ago

Kinda what I figured. One of Hicks/Revere could be made available, but I don’t think Hicks/Revere + Gibson/Sano is an option for us. Of our top 4 prospects (Hicks, Revere, Gibson, Sano), we could really only afford to part with one of them.

shysox
4 years 9 months ago

I’m not aware of the Twins system at all, but isn’t Aaron Hicks better then Ben Revere?

And if the twins can give up Nolasco and Morrison to get it done, do you think that John Danks and Gordon Beckham can get it done? Well, it’s too bad the White Sox have no interest in Upton, hopefully he doesn’t turn out like his brother though.

TwinsVet
4 years 9 months ago

Hicks has better upside than Revere, but is also further away from arriving in the bigs.

I’d think Danks + Beckham + B+ prospect would be a pretty attractive package, and worth taking a look at. Gordon’s stock took a hit last year (IMHO), but if he can stick at MI, he should still be a fairly attractive trade chip.

shysox
4 years 9 months ago

Well, obviously you’re right about Gordon’s stock taking a hit, he was absolutely horrible last year but he ended the season hitting above .250, fortunately he hit (.310/.380/.497/.877) in the 2nd half compared to a (.216/.277/.304/.581) in the first half. and he had a pretty good 2nd half but this will be a completely biased thought, but would John Danks+Gordon Beckham+Dayan Viciedo+cash considerations be a better package then a nolasco+morrison and a baker+hicks/revere? i mean, you might think I’m a homer but i personally think, IMO Danks is better than Nolasco and Baker and Beckham is better than Revere/Hicks and Morrison, I mean of course this is coming from a White Sox fan, but despite his down season I still think he has A potential and he’s a 5 tool player, if he has a few more years in the majors i think he could develop into an elite player, but Morrison will probably be a better hitter, but he doesn’t hit much power, but he can hit for a much higher average, of course. But before you say that my statement is wrong, consider this. If beckham had more then 5 minutes in the minors, he could’ve easily been a top 5 prospect, and he was rushed to the majors, i think he should’ve spent 2009 completely in the minors, but that’s just me. Beckham also never played 2nd base in the minors before, but after the Mark Teahen trade next year, they told him to move to 2nd base, a position he has never played in the minors, that might’ve been one of the reasons he started off the season slow, too much focus on his fielding, but what do you guys think?

jwsox
4 years 9 months ago

well looking at danks he is by far better than those two pitchers…not saying those two are back but danks is an over all better pitcher ad younger than both i believe…..as for gordon he is better then the prospects simply because he is not a prospect and has proven for more time than the others he can handle big league pitching

jwsox
4 years 9 months ago

well looking at danks he is by far better than those two pitchers…not saying those two are back but danks is an over all better pitcher ad younger than both i believe…..as for gordon he is better then the prospects simply because he is not a prospect and has proven for more time than the others he can handle big league pitching

BrocNessMonster
4 years 9 months ago

That second half line is more what he should be good for in the majors, and let me say this, coming from a second baseman? An .877 OPS from your 2nd baseman???!!!??? That’s beast mode right there. If they want to get rid of him, I’d hope the Dodgers are all over it.

JustMyLuck
4 years 9 months ago

Kenny Willimas is trying to move either Gavin Floyd or Edwin Jackson, not Danks. Plus they are looking for a run producing left handed bat.

jwsox
4 years 9 months ago

kenny williams is trying to move them? where have you heard this?

jwsox
4 years 9 months ago

kenny williams is trying to move them? where have you heard this?

4 years 9 months ago

Yeah last i heard on Danks they were trying to extend him.

jwsox
4 years 9 months ago

his stock is actually just as good as it ever was…he kit something like .330/.380//.400 after the all star break…(obviously not those exact numbers but it was crazy good) and while his stock may be lowered all the gm’s also know it is his second year in the bigs, his 3rd position in 2 years, and he is under team control for the next 6 years

TwinsVet
4 years 9 months ago

I’m not saying he doesn’t have incredible potential.I’m just saying I think his trade chip value was higher this time last year, before people realized he’s actually human.

M_Harden
4 years 9 months ago

How many humans do you know are 23 years old, put up 3.8 WAR in a “down” year, and do so in only 571 PA?

TwinsVet
4 years 9 months ago

Again, the kid’s a stud. I’m not saying he isn’t going to make several All-Star games. I just get the sense that he could have brought a bigger return this time last year.

M_Harden
4 years 9 months ago

Well duh, but even at his lowest point he’s still got incredible trade value. Why even mention it? It’s so blatantly obvious. And your offer featured Revere and Baker as the core for the package. lol to the max. It’s going to take Gibson and Hicks as the centerpieces plus more.

TwinsVet
4 years 9 months ago

It seemed relevant. This time last year, Beckham + A prospect could have got it done. Now, it’d take Beckham + A prospect + B- prospect.

Revere & Baker is the type of package that addresses “immediate and long term” value, which the reports indicate Towers would be looking for. I obviously don’t have any illusions such a package could get it done, I was merely stating that it’s probably the best we could reasonably offer.

Why is it some Sox fans just instinctively feel the need to bash anyone from Minnesota, even when they’re acknowledging they can’t put a winning package together and the Sox have a stud kid?

M_Harden
4 years 9 months ago

Best you could offer? Baker and Revere are average players AT BEST. That’s absolutely ridiculous.

And I don’t know about the Sox fans insulting Twins fans thing. Maybe you should go ask a Sox fan.

TwinsVet
4 years 9 months ago

You must have missed the part of the post where I listed Revere, Hicks, Sano, and Gibson, and indicated we could package one of them with Baker, but not 2 or more of them.

And yes, I stand by the notion that the Twins really cannot afford to give up 2 of our top prospects. They’d need to in order to make a deal happen, but our farm isn’t deep enough right now with blue chippers to afford to part with two of them.

TwinsVet
4 years 9 months ago

I’m not saying he doesn’t have incredible potential.I’m just saying I think his trade chip value was higher this time last year, before people realized he’s actually human.

jwsox
4 years 9 months ago

his stock is actually just as good as it ever was…he kit something like .330/.380//.400 after the all star break…(obviously not those exact numbers but it was crazy good) and while his stock may be lowered all the gm’s also know it is his second year in the bigs, his 3rd position in 2 years, and he is under team control for the next 6 years

4 years 9 months ago

I think what TwinsVet was saying is they could improve it by offering Hicks over Revere, but they can’t do two of their top 4 guys…just speculating though.

Danks and Beckham are comparable to Nolasco, Morrison, but I’d have to imagine it would take more to get a deal done. I also think pitchers like Nolasco, Danks, Baker would have more trade value to a team other than the D-Backs. They all are good number 3 pitchers with value, but only have 2 years of team control remaining. I don’t see how centering a deal (first or 2nd piece) around a pitcher like that makes sense for Arizona. If they are moving Upton I don’t see how they are competing by the end of the deal. Sure they would have good resale value (i.e. Edwin Jackson), but the D-backs have to be regretting that Jackson deal even if the did get Dan Hudson and Ian Kennedy. Now maybe if this expands to a three team deal guys like Baker, Danks and Nolasco could be in play, but right now If I’m Arizona I want guys with 4 years of team control at least.

Hoosierdaddy92
4 years 9 months ago

very true. The Dbacks should be looking at pitching PROSPECTS that can help them in the somewhat distant future like 3-4 years, not right now. Otherwise, dealing Upton, a player that can help you Now AND in the near future, is counterproductive. Dealing Upton would signify the Dbacks see themselves more likely to compete in 3-4 years with ALL the pieces they acquire from the Upton trade plus their own pieces, rather than just having Upton and paying him his full-salary as well as their own pieces. Team’s with a plethera of high quality pitching prospects, i.e. the Dodgers, Rays, or even Tigers should be the main people the Dbacks talk to.

4 years 9 months ago

Yeah they might take a 3 year arb. guy like Garza, but yeah they need guys for the future. I think an Upton deal could make sense for the D-backs esp. if they move Drew as well. I think they will want a pitcher or two, but remember their primary return for Jackson and Haren were pitchers plus Ian Kennedy. Arizona I’m sure would want another arm or two, but I also think they want a couple high upside position prospects.

It would not surprise me in the least to see two of the top three players back in the deal to be positional guys.

4 years 9 months ago

Yeah they might take a 3 year arb. guy like Garza, but yeah they need guys for the future. I think an Upton deal could make sense for the D-backs esp. if they move Drew as well. I think they will want a pitcher or two, but remember their primary return for Jackson and Haren were pitchers plus Ian Kennedy. Arizona I’m sure would want another arm or two, but I also think they want a couple high upside position prospects.

It would not surprise me in the least to see two of the top three players back in the deal to be positional guys.

$1529282
4 years 9 months ago

Hicks is better than Revere, and just about any prospect we have (Gibson aside, maybe).

Baseball America ranked him 9th in MLB during their Midseason Top 25, which I realize is weakened because several elite prospects (Heyward, Stanton, Posey, etc.) have already been called up, but he’ll likely land in the Top 25 in MLB again preseason, along with Kyle Gibson.

$1529282
4 years 9 months ago

Hicks is better than Revere, and just about any prospect we have (Gibson aside, maybe).

Baseball America ranked him 9th in MLB during their Midseason Top 25, which I realize is weakened because several elite prospects (Heyward, Stanton, Posey, etc.) have already been called up, but he’ll likely land in the Top 25 in MLB again preseason, along with Kyle Gibson.

jwsox
4 years 9 months ago

I would guess that the deal from the whitesox could be one of these two…Danks+Quentin+jarred mitchel/jordan danks+relief prospect..but that deal is only if danks turns down the extension….now if danks agrees to an extension then this could possibly be a deal for them….Floyd+Gordon Beckham+jarred mitchell/ jordan danks+ relief prospect…both very good deals…maybe throw quentin into the second deal too but highly doubtfull…maybe try to get drew or kelly johnson back from the dbacks as well

Nicolas_C
4 years 9 months ago

I would ABSOLUTELY NOT not Danks and Beckham for Upton. First of all, we have a full outfield. Second of all, it’s just not worth it. Let’s just look at Danks:

Danks- 4.3 WAR in 2010
Upton- 3.1 WAR in 2010

Yes, Upton did have 4.6 WAR in 2009, but Danks AND a potential future star in Beckham would not be worth it with our loaded outfield. And as you alluded to, you never know if Justin could be the next Bossman Junior.

BrocNessMonster
4 years 9 months ago

Agree. I’d maybe consider Beckham + a prospect and a lower level guy for Upton but….

$1529282
4 years 9 months ago

I wouldn’t put Revere in our Top 4 prospects. Joe Benson’s bat has far more upside, and Alex Wimmers could be ahead of him too. Revere just doesn’t have the power or outfield arm to be an elite prospect.

But by all means, give them Span, Benson, and Gibson… hell give them pretty much whoever they want. I’d give up just about anything short of Sano for Justin Upton.

$1529282
4 years 9 months ago

I wouldn’t put Revere in our Top 4 prospects. Joe Benson’s bat has far more upside, and Alex Wimmers could be ahead of him too. Revere just doesn’t have the power or outfield arm to be an elite prospect.

But by all means, give them Span, Benson, and Gibson… hell give them pretty much whoever they want. I’d give up just about anything short of Sano for Justin Upton.

TwinsVet
4 years 9 months ago

True, Benson’s emergence and Sano’s signing last year have knocked Revere’s standing a bit. This time last year Revere was in our Top-4; at this point it’s debatable. I think Revere’s edge over Hicks/Benson/Sano is just that he’s closer to actually making a starting roster spot – he was the only one of the four who was a September call-up, after all.

I look at Upton as a long-term replacement for RF with Cuddyer’s pending departure. I still think Span is an above-average lead-off guy and competent in CF (not to mention cheap, and for several years). Gibson is our next best internal option for a quality SP. Those two guys are tough to move in my book.

Anyhow, this is all just a fantasy anyways. I think we can all agree the Twins aren’t even in the conversation.

mauerfan
4 years 9 months ago

Joe Benson>Revere. Revere isn’t all that, he has a terrible arm. all he can do is hit singles and run fast. reminds me of Span.

TwinsVet
4 years 9 months ago

Kinda what I figured. One of Hicks/Revere could be made available, but I don’t think Hicks/Revere + Gibson/Sano is an option for us. Of our top 4 prospects (Hicks, Revere, Gibson, Sano), we could really only afford to part with one of them.

4 years 9 months ago

I’m guessing the Twins would need to offer at least one other significant prospect. Revere is good but he isn’t on the same level as Morrison. Baker and Nolasco are roughly equal, Nolasco better numbers but in the N.L. and could earn a bit more through Arb.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

For the Twins, it would have to be

Ben Revere Kyle Gibson Danny Valencia Miguel Angel Sano

I still like the Royals as the best fit…Billy Butler, Mike Montgomery, Crawford Simmons, and Yordano Ventura.

TwinsVet
4 years 9 months ago

…and that’s just never going to happen. Gibson/Valencia/Sano all in the same package would simply not happen. There’s no single player out there who is good enough and cheap enough and young enough to justify a package like that.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

Valencia, Span and Sano and Slama I’d do that

TwinsVet
4 years 9 months ago

No way. Valencia is hugely valuable. 3rd in AL ROY voting, demonstrated ability to hit .300 with some pop, and under control for 5+ years still.

Sano is arguably the best 17-year old MI prospect in the world.

Putting one of them to headline a package would be tough. Both would be unthinkable.

BrocNessMonster
4 years 9 months ago

Kansas City is not a team that needs to be trading away top prospects. Even if it is for a potential franchise player.

4 years 9 months ago

In considering a package for Justin Upton, I took a look at what their GM was saying.
Towers is committed to rebuilding the bullpen and adding a closer, and the latter he said would more than likely come via a trade rather than the free-agent market. He’d also like another starting pitcher, a left fielder and more bench strength. The D-backs are also committed to cutting the player payroll from $75.5 million at the start of this past season to about $60 million in 2011. “I’d like to compete and hopefully win the division in 2011. So any move that we make is going to be for more Major League-ready players. I’m not looking to acquire A-ball prospects right now.”
So let start with Soria as the main part of this trade package. His remaining contract including club options totals $26.75 million through 2014. Only $4.75 million is guaranteed for next year and if the 2012 option is not picked up. While Justin Upton contracts runs from 2011 -2015 and has a total guaranteed value of $49.5 million 11:$4.25M, 12:$6.75M, 13:$9.75M, 14:$14.25M, 15:$14.5M). He also has a limited no-trade protection and may block deals to four clubs.
Soria would address his search for a closer and salaries for next year are about the same.
As far as reducing payroll, this has already been accomplished with the departures of Brandon Webb, Dan Haren, Rodrigo Lopez, Kris Benson, Adam Laroche, Mike Hampton, Aaron Heilman, Connor Jackson, Chad Qualls and Edwin Jackson. Players eligible for arbitration includes Joe Saunders, Stephen Drew, Kelly Johnson and Miguel Montero. Players with signed contracts for 2011 include Chris Young – CF (2011-2013 $32 million with $1.5 million buyout for 2014 – otherwise $11 million club option) and Mark Reynolds – 3B (2011-2012 $13 million with $.5 million buyout for 2013 – otherwise $11 million club option) and Geoff Blum – UT (2011-2012 $2.7 million)
I do not see Towers trading any of his salary arbitration guys. He might be interested in moving Chris Young but his contract seems pretty high for a career .241 hitter. Mark Reynolds is going no where. With over 200 strikeouts a season and a batting average under the Mendosa line last year, he is pretty much untradeable unless they eat a lot of his contract.
So what else is it going to take to make this attractive? In looking at their depth charts, I am not impressed with their personnel at 1B, LF, 3B and relief pitching. You could offer Clint Robinson (AA Triple Crown Winner) as a 1B candidate to compete with Brandon Allen. You could offer a choice between Wilson Betemit and Josh Fields as a possible bench player and to replace Mark Reynolds if they do something with him. As far as outfielders, I would offer a choice between Mitch Maier, Gregor Blanco, and Jarrod Dyson. As far as relief pitchers, I would offer a choice between Philip Humber and Greg Holland.
All of the latter candidates have low contract values and addressed the Diamondbacks immediate needs. I would love to see us move about 4-5 players off of our 40 man roster and use the slots to protect some more players before the Rule 5 draft. Maybe we could keep one open to take another Soria type player.
Just a thought!

4 years 9 months ago

Towers is committed to rebuilding the bullpen and adding a closer, and the latter he said would more than likely come via a trade rather than the free-agent market. He’d also like another starting pitcher, a left fielder and more bench strength. The D-backs are also committed to cutting the player payroll from $75.5 million at the start of this past season to about $60 million in 2011. “I’d like to compete and hopefully win the division in 2011. So any move that we make is going to be for more Major League-ready players. I’m not looking to acquire A-ball prospects right now.”

So let start with Soria as the main part of this trade package. His remaining contract including club options totals $26.75 million through 2014. Only $4.75 million is guaranteed for next year and if the 2012 option is not picked up. While Justin Upton contracts runs from 2011 -2015 and has a total guaranteed value of $49.5 million 11:$4.25M, 12:$6.75M, 13:$9.75M, 14:$14.25M, 15:$14.5M). He also has a limited no-trade protection and may block deals to four clubs.
Soria would address his search for a closer and salaries for next year are about the same.

As far as reducing payroll, this has already been accomplished with the departures of Brandon Webb, Dan Haren, Rodrigo Lopez, Kris Benson, Adam Laroche, Mike Hampton, Aaron Heilman, Connor Jackson, Chad Qualls and Edwin Jackson.

Players eligible for arbitration includes Joe Saunders, Stephen Drew, Kelly Johnson and Miguel Montero. Players with signed contracts for 2011 include Chris Young – CF (2011-2013 $32 million with $1.5 million buyout for 2014 – otherwise $11 million club option) and Mark Reynolds – 3B (2011-2012 $13 million with $.5 million buyout for 2013 – otherwise $11 million club option) and Geoff Blum – UT (2011-2012 $2.7 million)

I do not see Towers trading any of his salary arbitration guys. He might be interested in moving Chris Young but his contract seems pretty high for a career .241 hitter. Mark Reynolds is going no where. With over 200 strikeouts a season and a batting average under the Mendosa line last year, he is pretty much untradeable unless they eat a lot of his contract.

So what else is it going to take to make this attractive? In looking at their depth charts, I am not impressed with their personnel at 1B, LF, 3B and relief pitching. You could offer Clint Robinson (AA Triple Crown Winner) as a 1B candidate to compete with Brandon Allen. You could offer a choice between Wilson Betemit and Josh Fields as a possible bench player and to replace Mark Reynolds if they do something with him. As far as outfielders, I would offer a choice between Mitch Maier, Gregor Blanco, and Jarrod Dyson. As far as relief pitchers, I would offer a choice between Philip Humber and Greg Holland.

All of the latter candidates have low contract values and addressed the Diamondbacks immediate needs. I would love to see us move about 4-5 players off of our 40 man roster and use the slots to protect some more players before the Rule 5 draft. Maybe we could keep one open to take another Soria type player.
Just a thought!

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

Morrison and Nolasco for Upton????/

I’d do that in a heartbeat (if i’m the marlins)

Tko11
4 years 9 months ago

Agreed, Upton is a great outfielder. It might make up for all the bad moves they have made this offseason if thats possible.

marlinsfanatic
4 years 9 months ago

Why would you guys do that? LoMo projects be a great ball player. If we trade ricky we would have to sign a starter for sure. If i were marlins i would offer nolasco, kyle skipworth, and one of our good minor league arms like brad hand.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

Should have just traded Uggla for Drabek! lol

marlinsfanatic
4 years 9 months ago

Haha i guess so. Better than infante and dunn.

4 years 9 months ago

They have to offer Drabek first, which they didnt.

4 years 9 months ago

That was the joke…

4 years 9 months ago

Missed it, sorry. It’s been a long two days, lol

Tko11
4 years 9 months ago

I rather have a proven outfielder than a prospect who may still go either way(ex Brandon Wood last year). Nolasco isn’t exactly irreplaceable either… Either way Id imagine the dbacks would want more than just those two. I would not give more than those two if I was the Marlins…Upton’s value is overhyped at this point and as it has been said some team would have to overpay(player wise) to pry him away from the dbacks.

BrocNessMonster
4 years 9 months ago

I don’t think I’d be letting Skipworth go anywhere. And, LoMo, projects as a good hitter, but I can’t remember seeing any good reviews on his D. Upton scores runs with the bat, and saves em with the glove. LoMo would have to hit a ton to be close to Upton’s value.

ludafish
4 years 9 months ago

LoMo is actually a first baseman and they ranked his defense pretty high….not amazing but they said he had a chance to be great. he was never an outfielder. I would definitely prefer upton in the outfield over Lomo

ludafish
4 years 9 months ago

I would give up Ricky and someone else for Upton all day, but i dont want to trade LoMo either. He is projected to hit over .300 and about 20hr with 90rbi a season with a great OPB (at least thats what they predicted out of him before he came up) and we’ve really yet to see what he can do in a full season. Skipworth is supposed to be the future, but with Buck now he is expendable and they can find someone else by the time his 3 years are up. I’d give Gaby Sanchez, Ricky, and Skipworth. LoMo can go back to first and cogz in left…but i doubt it will happen

roberty
4 years 9 months ago

The Marlins interest in Upton is surprising to me, as he is owed a lot of money ($50 million) over the next five years. I’m not saying it wouldn’t be worth it, I’m just saying the Marlins are cheapskates and wouldn’t be very excited to be paying anyone $15 million a year.

tomymogo
4 years 9 months ago

I wouldn’t trade Morrison…….How about Gaby Sanchez, Scott Cousins, and Ricky Nolasco…….Move Morrison to 1B, Upton CF, Coghlan LF, Infante 2B, Viciedo 3B, Buck Catcher……Better defense, better offense, though less pitching, and less depth, and more salary.

Pretty good team, if they do that and use the money to acquire pitching and depth.

BrocNessMonster
4 years 9 months ago

Did I miss a post? The Marlins got Dayan Vicideo?!?!

shysox
4 years 9 months ago

yeah, what the hell, viciedo?

tomymogo
4 years 9 months ago

Sorry confused Viciedo with Matt Dominguez.

14 Rocks
4 years 9 months ago

I agree. That GM is out of his mind. It would take a lot more than that to get Upton.

iains
4 years 9 months ago

I imagine there will be a ‘We do not comment on possible negotiations’ comment from the Toronto front office. AA tends to be a real killjoy that way.

bbxxj
4 years 9 months ago

I hadn’t given Upton much thought since we got our ‘big right handed bat’ but he does make alot of sence for the Rays and they definately have the ammo to get it done. Wade Davis, Reid Brignac, Jake McGee, and Drew Vettleson? I bet Rays fans think thats too much and DBacks fans think its too little.

4 years 9 months ago

I’m neither fan and I’d probably say that is too much. If I’m the Rays I’d rather move Garza as part of the deal in terms of money and hang on to Vettleson. Garza, Brignac and McGee still could be ‘too much’ but I think the D-Backs might bite (if they are also dealing Drew that is). Still don’t think it will happen though.

4 years 9 months ago

I wouldn’t want to send off Mcgee or Brignac. Do you think we could send Garza, Bartlett and another prospect such as Torress?

4 years 9 months ago

Garza doesn’t have enough team control left to make sense for Arizona, unless of course a third team was brought in to which Garza was then flipped for more young, controllable talent.

bbxxj
4 years 9 months ago

Agreed. Arizona is going to want players still in their pre-arbi stages. To be the top bidder in this one a pitcher along the lines of Davis, Hanson, Porcello, Hughes, Nolasco etc will have to be going to the desert.

14 Rocks
4 years 9 months ago

Dave Cameron suggested on fangraphs that it would take an offer of something like Hanson, Minor, Freeman, Teheran plus another prospect from the Braves to get Upton. That is a ton more than this Morrison/Nolasco from the Marlins suggestion. I don’t see any team meeting Arizona’s asking price if Cameron is correct.

BrocNessMonster
4 years 9 months ago

Hahahah! I’d take Tommy Hanson straight up for damn near any player, including Upton.

The_Porcupine
4 years 9 months ago

What about Shields? He’s under a more budget friendly contract. Maybe if his brother is on the team, BJ will take his head out of his ###.

BrocNessMonster
4 years 9 months ago

Exactly.

4 years 9 months ago

Garza doesn’t have enough team control left to make sense for Arizona, unless of course a third team was brought in to which Garza was then flipped for more young, controllable talent.

4 years 9 months ago

Unfortunately not, the Rays have to give up a couple of good prospects to get this deal done. Garza has value, but Bartlett doesn’t make much sense for Arizona. Upton has one of the highest trade values out there right now (of likely traded players, so no Posey or Longoria type guys), with Greinke being perhaps the only guy I’d say with more value.

4 years 9 months ago

Unfortunately not, the Rays have to give up a couple of good prospects to get this deal done. Garza has value, but Bartlett doesn’t make much sense for Arizona. Upton has one of the highest trade values out there right now (of likely traded players, so no Posey or Longoria type guys), with Greinke being perhaps the only guy I’d say with more value.

Hoosierdaddy92
4 years 9 months ago

The Rays have already dealt with one headache named Upton, you really think they want to chance having another one?

4 years 9 months ago

I know he has been frustrating but I am sure plenty of teams around the league would take BJ upton if he is available (which he could be)

Hoosierdaddy92
4 years 9 months ago

yea but then if the Rays trade BJ and get Justin, there’s might be a bit of a bad vibe there? just a thought. It’d be nice for the Rays to get Justin. It would be a Justince (lol) in Baseball considering all the good players they are losing this offseason.

Hoosierdaddy92
4 years 9 months ago

yea but then if the Rays trade BJ and get Justin, there’s might be a bit of a bad vibe there? just a thought. It’d be nice for the Rays to get Justin. It would be a Justince (lol) in Baseball considering all the good players they are losing this offseason.

4 years 9 months ago

I know he has been frustrating but I am sure plenty of teams around the league would take BJ upton if he is available (which he could be)

BrocNessMonster
4 years 9 months ago

D’Back fans should be all over getting like 5 or 6 years of Davis and McGee + for 5 years of Upton.

4 years 9 months ago

I wouldn’t move Morrison personally.

Guest
4 years 9 months ago

I’m waiting for a future opening line. The Boston Red Sox were interested until ______ slipped in and made the deal.

dizzle4
4 years 9 months ago

That offer makes me angry that the Jays sold so low on Brett Wallace. I figure something like Wallace and one of the Jays starters would be a similar offer, with maybe a small extra piece thrown in.

MeOnTheInternet
4 years 9 months ago

I’d rather have Logan Morrison over Brett Wallace 99 times out of 100. I rather like Nolasco too.

If Jays offered Wallace and Cecil, it still would have been a worse offer than Morrison and Nolasco IMO

4 years 9 months ago

Yeah despite being traded every 6 months, Brett Wallace has a lot of value, and in fact I’d say he is very similar to Morrison. Neither project as elite 1B (i.e. Pujols, Tex, A. Gonzalez) but both should be in that next grouping Derek Lee in his prime, Justin Morenau, Votto before this year etc.

Nolasco has more current value, but a guy like Cecil should do well in the N.L. and is cheaper with more years of control.

jdub220
4 years 9 months ago

Wallace is nowhere close to as good as Morrison.

jdub220
4 years 9 months ago

Wallace is nowhere close to as good as Morrison.

MeOnTheInternet
4 years 9 months ago

I still say Morrison has much more value.

Wallace seems like he’s a “hitter”, where Morrison seems a more complete “player” ( just try putting Wallace in the OF :)).

And, despite Wallace’s bat being his best attribute, Morrison did better in his first year.

Wallace was a K machine and his body looked even worse than I had heard. Whereas Morrison stayed around 300, almost 1:1 K:bb ratio, and had a long hitting streak too.

Morrison looked much better than Wallace, but Wallace looks like he’s got more power.

4 years 9 months ago

How is Morneau not an elite 1B? Is it because he hasn’t collected enough MVP votes over the years? I don’t see what AGon has on Morneau either than maybe a better health record.

4 years 9 months ago

You make it seem like I’m knocking Morneau which I’m not at all. Justin is well worth his weight in gold. I would probably put him 5th on my first base rankings above Fielder and Howard because of his defense. The reason I put Tex ahead of him is health as well as despite UZR saying differently I like his defense better. As for Adrian Gonzalez his home away splits are so opposite, he is in my opinion the 2nd best hitting first baseman (while having a good defensive track record as well). Gonzalez has a .150 point difference between his home OPS to his Road OPS. Morneau’s is .50 points (and still isn’t as high as Gonzalez’s). For me Morneau is at the top of the 2nd tier prennial all-star category, and that is the peak I see for both Wallace and Morrison.

Tko11
4 years 9 months ago

2010 is really the only year he has had injury problems, before this year he has played 135+ games each year for the past 5 years or so. But yea he is around number 5 amongst 1b…

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

agreed. Morrison has the higher upset, the goal would be to get the highest impact player backk. cecil trumps nolasco, but Morrison trumps all

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

you mean the same wallace who was traded for that player just named our #3 prospect ahead of D’arnaud, Stewart, Arencibia, and Marisnick?

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 9 months ago

It’s unlikely that Wallace will turn out to be anything special, a poor man’s Adam Dunn perhaps. Gose has a much, much higher ceiling albeit he has a long way to go to reach it.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

He didnt look comfortable in the batters box last year, who knows whats in store for him… he’s been traded by 3 different organizations. . I loved the deal, really shows what type of high impact players AA is gunning for. . No more lyle overbay types please

$1529282
4 years 9 months ago

Morrison >>>> Wallace

By a longshot. Wallace’s stock has really fallen off. I’ve heard two different prospect gurus project his ceiling as a “league average first baseman” at this point. One of the BA guys and Bryan Smith over at Fangraphs. Wallace just isn’t the elite prospect he once was.

$1529282
4 years 9 months ago

Morrison >>>> Wallace

By a longshot. Wallace’s stock has really fallen off. I’ve heard two different prospect gurus project his ceiling as a “league average first baseman” at this point. One of the BA guys and Bryan Smith over at Fangraphs. Wallace just isn’t the elite prospect he once was.

Char_Aznable
4 years 9 months ago

another shoulder waiting to blow out just like Nady A second opinion on outfielder Justin Upton’s ailing left shoulder revealed that the slight tear in his labrum that he suffered in 2006 has not gotten any worse and should not require surgery.

Char_Aznable
4 years 9 months ago

Ehh idk Probly another shoulder waiting to Blow up just like Nady…. A second opinion on outfielder Justin Upton’s ailing left shoulder revealed that the slight tear in his labrum that he suffered in 2006 has not gotten any worse and should not require surgery.

Two shoulder tears within couple years is not really a good thing

JEETtheHEAT17
4 years 9 months ago

The Yankees should get him and have Gardner as a 4th outfielder play Upton in left field . They have Austin Romine and a ton of talented good arms in the system and with the Dbacks GM coming from New York he knows more than the avg scout about the Yankees Farm system. But no way should they give Montero up

4 years 9 months ago

The Yankees should get him and have Granderson as a 4th outfielderFTFY

Also Sanchez would be a better trading chip for them than Romine IMHO

4 years 9 months ago

The Yankees should get him and have Granderson as a 4th outfielderFTFY

Also Sanchez would be a better trading chip for them than Romine IMHO

BentoBox
4 years 9 months ago

Yeah, I don’t think the D-Backs will give up Miguel Montero and Justin Upton in the same deal.

4 years 9 months ago

I wouldn’t accept that. I’d want Stanton at least. But a trade probably won’t happen anyway. People seem to think that Towers is shopping him.

4 years 9 months ago

The Marlins wouldn’t even give up Stanton 2-3 years ago for Manny Ramirez. And this was before Stanton was even known by anyone outside the team.

Stanton is not going anywhere. The offer would have to be unbelievably amazing.

Hoosierdaddy92
4 years 9 months ago

yea like Ozzie Guillen for Mike Stanton lol

JustMyLuck
4 years 9 months ago

I heard on the radio today in Chicago and they talked to Jerry Reinsdorf, that the player wasn’t Stanton but for Logan Morrison.

4 years 9 months ago

that was a fake story. sampson said stanton was never going to be moved.

4 years 9 months ago

I think Stanton would be too much, while I don’t think Morrison and Nolasco is a great deal (mainly because you only have two more years of Nolasco) it is in the ballpark. If the Marlins add in a good minor leaguer or two (read that to be guys in the 5-15 range of their system) I think you’d have the makings of a deal.

Florida would shock me a little bit considering Maybin could have been a piece they used, or Uggla in a 3-way deal. they have already given up two of their best trade chips for bullpen and UTL help, not exactly selling high.

The_Silver_Stacker
4 years 9 months ago

They were desperate for relief pitching so It’s understandable, Justin would be a luxury

JEETtheHEAT17
4 years 9 months ago

Yankees should move in . Upton is still very young with tons of upside. If there GM trades Upton for anything less than 2 future stars or 1 star and 1 high upside guy he would be dumb … Upton is only 22 years old and has all the talent in the world . He still has 8 years in the league before most players are considered in there prime. The only reason I could see the move is that Upton is due 14 million each of his last 2 years of his contract but he is only due like 4.5 this season.

Devern Hansack
4 years 9 months ago

How about Upton to the Red Sox for Ellsbury and Doubront? That would be a pretty fair trade.

jdub220
4 years 9 months ago

No it wouldn’t.
An outfielder coming off an injury filled season who is a Boras client, and a pitcher who the Sox are actually trying to get rid of? No thanks.

MaineSox
4 years 9 months ago

I’m not saying that that is a fair trade, but it is also not fair to say that the Red Sox are “trying” to get rid of Doubront; first of all they are not trying to get rid of him, they said they would listen to offers (kinda like the D’backs with Upton…) and the only reason they would get rid of him is because they have the rotation set through 2014 with other good starting pitchers coming up behind him in the lower minors.

I think a more appropriate way to put it would be “an outfielder coming off of an injury filled season who is a Boras client, and a pitcher who is unproven” because he did come up and pitch well out of the rotation as well as the bullpen but it was only for a little over a month so it is hard to say just how good Doubront really is.

jdub220
4 years 9 months ago

No it wouldn’t.
An outfielder coming off an injury filled season who is a Boras client, and a pitcher who the Sox are actually trying to get rid of? No thanks.

4 years 9 months ago

Looks like the ‘trade Joba’ or ‘trade Ellsbury’ posts are going to take over these posts about Upton.
-wtk

Guest
4 years 9 months ago

Yeah, but at least Joba has some use somewhere..

4 years 9 months ago

I’m sorry but Ellsbury has more value than Joba right now, even coming off an injury. Ellsbury is capable of starting on just about every team and leading off…what is Joba’s “use” exactly? A questionable set up man? A very questionable back of the rotation starter? Jacoby Ellsbury was overrated a few years ago but he is more than capable of putting up Carl Crawford like numbers. Ribs heal with a year of rest, I think he’s soft but if you think any GM wouldn’t have a use for Ellsbury you are crazy.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 9 months ago

It’s funny as horrible as ppl want to accuse Joba of being look at reality.

353 IP, 362 KO (9.2/9 IP), 143 walks (3.6/9 IP), 33 hr (Less than 1 per 9 IP), 3.77 ERA and a 1.33 whip. All ages 21 to 24 w/less than 100 career minor lge IP.

All the hate towards Joba boils down to? A bad Aug/Sept in 2009 and a bad May and July in 2010. Other than that his ERA and Whips have been acceptable.

BrocNessMonster
4 years 9 months ago

A bad Aug/Sept and a bad May/July? Dude, that’s 33% of the last 2 seasons. A 1.33 WHIP is not very good. Typically you want a late inning releiver to NOT give up base runners.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that people thought he was going to be a lot better, and a starter.

$1529282
4 years 9 months ago

If you click the “Like” button again it’ll unlike it for you. :)

BrocNessMonster
4 years 9 months ago

I like how they were all “Joba for CC, and Ellsbury for Kemp” a few years ago, and now Ellsbury is a good 4th outfielder and Joba is a 7th inning guy. Just like all the people who were laughing at the people proposing those deals said they were. Ugh…

4 years 9 months ago

oh Red Sox trade proposals never fail to amuse me.

BrocNessMonster
4 years 9 months ago

Ha, I liked that one a few years back where the Sox should send us David Wells for Matt Kemp right after he’d come up and hit 7 HR in his first month in the bigs.

The_Silver_Stacker
4 years 9 months ago

Not even close. They should ask for Clay Bucholz to start

Guest
4 years 9 months ago

Un-freaking-believable…What in the sam h_ll is wrong with you? Seriously dude…

Ellsbury is about as useless at the set of t_ts I grew this morning. Well, on second thought..

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 9 months ago

Perhaps you should either:

A: Get them looked at, or
B: Listen to ‘Lola’ by The Kinks and try to pick up a dude, or
C: Stop taking estrogen pills 😛

Ferrariman
4 years 9 months ago

maybe he’s a she?

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 9 months ago

If it were, I doubt she would have grown a rack in one night, unless puerty was in overdrive.

BrocNessMonster
4 years 9 months ago

Good song! Nice!

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 9 months ago

Perhaps you should either:

A: Get them looked at, or
B: Listen to ‘Lola’ by The Kinks and try to pick up a dude, or
C: Stop taking estrogen pills 😛

PookieGonzales
4 years 9 months ago

I know he’s overrated. But so say he’s bad is just stupid. Look at his numbers. Stop being a annoying redsox hater.

RedSox31
4 years 9 months ago

How about Ellsbury, Doubront, Kelly and Anderson. That would be the very least it would take to get Upton, even then probably not enough.

But he’s not coming to Boston.

4 years 9 months ago

The Diamondbacks would prefer Kalish probably. I find it ironic that all these people are acting like Kalish and Ellsbury are scrubs when their 2011 projections are almost the exact same as Carl Crawford. But whatever…

Guest
4 years 9 months ago

LOL.. christalmighty.

RedSox31
4 years 9 months ago

Then those predictions stink. I’m sorry, I like Ells and Kalish, but they won’t put up the same numbers as Crawford, especially not Kalish. He should spend another year in the minors, then be Drew’s replacement in 2012. Ells may put up similar BA, OBP and SB as Crawford, but Crawford has a bit more pop than Ells, and is arguably a better defender too (Ells never seems to get great jumps on balls, and his arm is pathetic).

I’d love to get Upton, but I just can’t see it happening. Just a pipe dream.

azdsnd
4 years 9 months ago

No. A package begins with Buchholz and Kelly.

Buchholz, Kelly, Bard/Doubront, and Kalish. That could *actually* get a trade done.

Dustroia15
4 years 9 months ago

So the Sox trade an ace/2nd starter, plus their top prospect, plus their most likely closer for the next 3 seasons, plus their second best prospect who is projected to put up Crawford like numbers next year? …..and that’s just to start? …..bwahahaha

If they had the same amount of team control, Ellsbury for Upton would be close. Doubront right now would be the 4th or 5th starter on nearly every team in the MLB.

I think the player being overrated here is Upton. The reason the Sox are so interested is because dollar wise he is cheaper than Werth and Crawford.

Dustroia15
4 years 9 months ago

So the Sox trade an ace/2nd starter, plus their top prospect, plus their most likely closer for the next 3 seasons, plus their second best prospect who is projected to put up Crawford like numbers next year? …..and that’s just to start? …..bwahahaha

If they had the same amount of team control, Ellsbury for Upton would be close. Doubront right now would be the 4th or 5th starter on nearly every team in the MLB.

I think the player being overrated here is Upton. The reason the Sox are so interested is because dollar wise he is cheaper than Werth and Crawford.

RedSox31
4 years 9 months ago

How about Ellsbury, Doubront, Kelly and Anderson. That would be the very least it would take to get Upton, even then probably not enough.

But he’s not coming to Boston.

BrocNessMonster
4 years 9 months ago

LoL you’re nuts! A 5 starter and a 4th outfielder?!?! I gotta quit reading these comments!

gothamgator
4 years 9 months ago

Seriously, if Upton could be had for Morrison and Nolasco, the Braves could trump that without blinking…

Jay212033
4 years 9 months ago

I know Wren said he’s done but if he isn’t in on this he’s a fool! Jair Jurrjens, Martin Prado and Randall Delgado/Arodys Vizcaino would get it done. An OF with Heyward AND Upton in it wuld be awesome!

atlbravosfan11
4 years 9 months ago

i think even that is too much. maybe take jj out of the equation and it’s ok, but why would we give up 2 of our top 3 pitching prospects… 2 of the top 50 prospects overall, along with our best starting pitcher from 2 years ago and the heart of our team… way too much.

azdsnd
4 years 9 months ago

Unlike the dolt who previously responded to you, I’ll provide some sense here. This is WAY too little. Prado is a nice player, but not a premium player. Jurrjens is a good pitcher, but he keeps getting worse (his ground ball rates keep falling – not a good thing for Chase Field).

A deal with Atlanta begins with Hanson or Teheran. If those guys are “untouchable” to you, then you have no idea what type of player you’re trying to trade for. No prospect is untouchable if you want Justin Upton.

Jay212033
4 years 9 months ago

I know Wren said he’s done but if he isn’t in on this he’s a fool! Jair Jurrjens, Martin Prado and Randall Delgado/Arodys Vizcaino would get it done. An OF with Heyward AND Upton in it wuld be awesome!

bbxxj
4 years 9 months ago

I think the Braves could trump that but I really don’t believe Wren will do it. Unless we add one of Hanson, Freeman, or Teheran into the deal we will very likely get trumped by another more free dealing GM. I can’t even count how many times Wren has hinted at or almost come out and said he won’t trade his ‘core prospects’ and we haven’t traded a big time prospect since Wren took over (unless you count Tyler Flowers or Gorkys Hernandez top prospects which I wouldn’t – just valuable prospects).

This Braves team will be built on the backs of Heyward, McCann, Freeman, Prado (maybe Uggla if extended) and a continual stream of top pitching prospects in both the rotation and pen and its time we Braves fans need to realize and embrace that that is what Wren is doing.

4 years 9 months ago

You sir, have a vast (and objective) knowledge of the Braves and I applaud you for that.

gothamgator
4 years 9 months ago

I absolutely agree that other GMs could trump a Braves offer if Atlanta is not willing to include an established young pitcher and/or elite prospect… but my basic reaction was to the idea that Morrison and Nolasco could get the deal done. I agree with Jay that a core of JJ and Delgado or Vizcaino, with a couple other pitching prospects may be able get it done. (and truthfully, as close to untouchable as he is, I’d seriously consider Teheran in a deal too if it meant Heyward and Upton patrolling the OF for the next 5 years). I definitely don’t see young position players (a weakness in the organization) being included in a deal, but a deal centered on young pitching might work, and the Braves have plenty of that to make it happen. I mean, if you’re a GM thinking that it’s time to rebuild your organization, doing it around a bevy of young pitching talent would be a good place to start.That said, do I think it will happen, most likely not… but if Arizona would seriously consider trading Upton for Nolasco and Morrison, it would behoove the Braves to get in on the conversation…

gothamgator
4 years 9 months ago

I absolutely agree that other GMs could trump a Braves offer if Atlanta is not willing to include an established young pitcher and/or elite prospect… but my basic reaction was to the idea that Morrison and Nolasco could get the deal done. I agree with Jay that a core of JJ and Delgado or Vizcaino, with a couple other pitching prospects may be able get it done. (and truthfully, as close to untouchable as he is, I’d seriously consider Teheran in a deal too if it meant Heyward and Upton patrolling the OF for the next 5 years). I definitely don’t see young position players (a weakness in the organization) being included in a deal, but a deal centered on young pitching might work, and the Braves have plenty of that to make it happen. I mean, if you’re a GM thinking that it’s time to rebuild your organization, doing it around a bevy of young pitching talent would be a good place to start.That said, do I think it will happen, most likely not… but if Arizona would seriously consider trading Upton for Nolasco and Morrison, it would behoove the Braves to get in on the conversation…

roberty
4 years 9 months ago

The Braves minor league pitching is so deep we could trump any other teams offer without giving up any of our top 5 pitching prospects. I think Brandon Beachy is a prime trade candidate. His minor league numbers are mind boggling but he probably won’t get a chance to pitch much with Minor ahead of him and Medlen coming back from surgery later next season.

14 Rocks
4 years 9 months ago

Beachy is projected to be a #5 type starter or a middle reliever. He has very, very limited trade value.

gothamgator
4 years 9 months ago

Seriously, if Upton could be had for Morrison and Nolasco, the Braves could trump that without blinking…

Just_MLB
4 years 9 months ago

if the mets could move beltran, acquire some prospects, then package them along with some others for upton, it would be a win-win for both sides

timmytwoshoezzz
4 years 9 months ago

How are you going to get a substantial haul of prospects for Carlos Beltran with that albatross of a contract? The only way you get someone substantial for him is if the Mets eat nearly all of the money

Just_MLB
4 years 9 months ago

essentially…u would have to AT LEAST eat up 10 mil…

azdsnd
4 years 9 months ago

If I could fart silver, marry Scarlett Johansson, win the lottery, solve world hunger, and magically inherit x-ray vision, that would be a win-win for me and the world too. Just maybe not for Scarlett Johansson.

But it isn’t going to happen.

Just_MLB
4 years 9 months ago

so ur saying that if the mets eat Beltrans 2011 salary…and move him for lets say…3 prospects…1 high level, 1 mid-level, 1 low-level…then combine those prospects with 1 high-level, and one mid-low level of their own…giving the diamondbacks 5 prospects, 2 highly rated…that wouldnt be a win-win deal for both the mets and diamondbacks ?the mets get a under 25 corner outfielder….they keep pagan in CF…they dont dramatically increase payroll for 2012 and beyond. they take a bump this year but beyond that, castillo/perez and possibly k-rod’s contracts are off the books.the diamondbacks get to lower payroll and reload with 5 prospects, 2 ready to play this year…2-3 coming up soon…

minor tidbit – but supposedly David Wright and the Upton Brothers ( along with Ryan Zimmerman ) all played on the same team back in Virginia….

4 years 9 months ago

“An exec speculated that Logan Morrison and Ricky Nolasco would get it done, notes Sherman.”

The executive isn’t Larry Beinfest by chance?

$1529282
4 years 9 months ago

What exec suggested that? It was probably Beinfest himself. If he was dumb enough to think Infante/Dunn was a good return for Uggla, he’s probably dumb enough to think Nolasco/Morrison lands Upton.

Nothing against Nolasco and Morrison, but we’re talking about one of the most talented all-around players in the game and he’s just 22 years old and signed through 2015.

$1529282
4 years 9 months ago

What exec suggested that? It was probably Beinfest himself. If he was dumb enough to think Infante/Dunn was a good return for Uggla, he’s probably dumb enough to think Nolasco/Morrison lands Upton.

Nothing against Nolasco and Morrison, but we’re talking about one of the most talented all-around players in the game and he’s just 22 years old and signed through 2015.

4 years 9 months ago

Perfect fit for Philadelphia. They will need a power right-handed bat to replace Werth. If I am Ruben Amaro, I would think about sending Domonic Brown, Scott Mathieson, and one of the Phils low-level pitchers as an offer.

myname_989
4 years 9 months ago

I was in the process of typing almost the same exact thing right before I saw your comment. Good call. I’d certainly be willing to move Brown and Mathieson for Upton. I just don’t find a deal to be that simple. At 27, Mathieson is quickly aging out of “prospectdom” (although, injuries set him back, so he hasn’t realized his full potential yet.)

I agree though, depending on the area of need, I think they could match up. What would worry me is after 2011, when the Phils’ have Upton and Victornino in the outfield and a glaring hole in left field. The market for outfielders is weak in 2012, highlighted by names like Carlos Beltran, Jose Bautista and Nick Swisher.

elongenhagen
4 years 9 months ago

If a deal like that were to go down (Brown, Mathieson, Colvin or someone of the like) the worse case screnario for LF this season would be a platoon of Ibanez and Francisco/Mayberry. I think I could live with that.

myname_989
4 years 9 months ago

Definitely. I was talking about next season, after Ibanez (most likely) walks.

Dylan
4 years 9 months ago

They would be interested in Cosart, Singleton, and De Fratus. Cosart profiles as a starting pitcher with closing potential (Pappelbon-like). De Fratus could be a good set up guy. Singleton is a power bat that is a 1B naturally. I would trade Brown to get Upton, but I don’t know if Ruben would do that. Although I do like Upton, Victorino, Brown in the OF for the next couple years…

4 years 9 months ago

I figured Mathieson would make sense because he is ready to step in immediately and the Dbacks bullpen is deplorable. The Dbacks would probably want someone to step into that spot right away.

As for the left field issues, considering the depth of the Phillies OF situation in the minors, especially if Singleton is able to make the transition there, one of their prospects could be ready to step in by that point. Otherwise, you could have Francisco play there and pick someone else up off the scrap heap.

elongenhagen
4 years 9 months ago

If a deal like that goes down (Brown, Mathieson, Colvin or someone similar not named Cosart) then the worst case scenario for LF next season is a platoon of Ibanez and Francisco/Mayberry. I could live with that.

myname_989
4 years 9 months ago

Oh, I definitely agree, and I think the D’backs would have interest in Mathieson (and probably a couple of other guys that have starting / bullpen potential, like Worley) and I’d make a move for Upton in a heartbeat. I just think that they’d want more than Brown and Mathieson, and more of an impact in 2011.

As for leftfield… I personally, am hoping that Singleton can translate his success into the outfield. If he can show some athleticism out there, then by all means, I want him out there as soon as possible. The guy has shown some real skill with the bat. On the other hand though, the thought of having another Burrell out there scares me… just a little. We did win a championship with Burrell patrolling left field. Lol. Can’t see other prospects being ready, or more than a marginal outfielder.

elongenhagen
4 years 9 months ago

woops…sorry for the redundancy

Muggi
4 years 9 months ago

As a Phils’ fan I’d do that in a second, but I don’t think it’s going to be enough. I like Mathieson alot, but he has next to no trade value. There’s no “re-establishing trade value” after two TJ surgeries. The success rate after TWO is about 20% from articles I’ve read.

It would probably take Brown, two of Worley/Colvin/May, AND Singleton to get him, given the extremely team-friendly contract and Upton’s age. The Nolasco/Morrison rumor is ridiculous.

NOW if I’m the Phils I offer something like Brown, Mathieson, Colvin, and Mike Rizzotti and try like hell to make Rizzotti out to be a late-blooming future solid 1B.

14 Rocks
4 years 9 months ago

But are the Phillies prospects a perfect fit for Arizona?? Your proposal isn’t close to being enough. They want multiple elite level pitching prospects plus others. I don’t see the Phillies as having the pitching prospects to get a deal done. Maybe Brown plus Singleton and your top top 2 young pitchers get it done but I doubt it.

Muggi
4 years 9 months ago

The Phils actually have some crazy pitching prospects, the problem in terms of THIS trade is they’re all were in A-ball last season (May, Colvin, Cosart, Zeid, Rodriguez, etc).

The Phils’ Lakewood Blueclaws won the first half title, second half title, and overall league championship last season, the first team ever to do so. Scouts were calling it the most talented A-ball team ever assembled. It doesn’t really help though, since the D-Backs are looking for guys to step in immediately.

melonis_rex
4 years 9 months ago

What does that do for Arizona? Takes out five years of one elite outfielder and replaces him with an outfielder who MIGHT be elite? I love Brown and think he’s a top 10 prospect in baseball, but him + Mathieson is definitely no dice if I’m Towers.

azdsnd
4 years 9 months ago

Horrible offer. Brown might keep KT on the phone just long enough for him to remember that the Phillies have no young, controllable, cheap, elite arms in the majors or upper minors.

In other words, the Phillies could give us their entire farm system and we wouldn’t give them Justin Upton in return.