Justin Upton Rumors: Wednesday

Today's Justin Upton rumors…

  • One AL exec told SI.com's Jon Heyman (Twitter link) that Arizona's asking price for Upton is "ridiculous."
  • The Rockies inquired on Upton, according to the Denver Post's Troy Renck. A Diamondbacks official expects the team would be willing to deal within the division, though they'd have to receive a very strong offer.
  • The Upton rumors are more than just talk, says ESPN.com's Jayson Stark, who was told the D'Backs are "genuinely open" to moving the 23-year-old. However, it might take a package of five players who could help the team in the short- and long-term (Twitter links).
  • The Red Sox discussed Upton with the D'Backs late into Tuesday night, reports CSNNE.com's Sean McAdam, but talks are now stalled over Towers' latest demands.
  • The Braves are unlikely to pursue Upton after trading for Dan Uggla, GM Frank Wren implied (via Joel Sherman on Twitter).
  • The D'Backs will seek at least four or five players in return for Upton, reports Nick Piecoro of the Arizona Republic.  He believes perhaps three of those players would have to be big league ready.
  • USA Today's Bob Nightengale introduced the idea of Upton as a trade candidate on Monday, and the rumors took off yesterday.  Today, Nightengale says the Yankees' offer for Upton has fallen short but the Red Sox remain engaged.  Diamondbacks GM Kevin Towers described the Upton trade talks as "people kicking the tires right now." 
  • Towers told Joel Sherman of the New York Post, "[Upton] would be a tough guy to move.  But you always seek out the information on what teams will do because you never know if, to get one player, a team will grossly overpay."  Sherman added via Twitter that the D'Backs "have [a] growing belief [they] will trade Upton based on [a] ton of interest."
  • Sherman talked to one team executive who says the Marlins have had the most interest in Upton for a while.  An exec speculated that Logan Morrison and Ricky Nolasco would get it done, notes Sherman.
  • It's not known if the Rays would like to add a second Upton, but the execs Sherman spoke to consider them an early favorite along with the Marlins.


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TwinsVet
4 years 7 months ago

I know the Twins aren’t going to be in on it, but Revere + Baker + ???

It’d be great to replace Cuddyer with Upton.

Too bad the Twins never make a splash with trades or signings…

Guest
4 years 7 months ago

I’m guessing the Twins would need to offer at least one other significant prospect. Revere is good but he isn’t on the same level as Morrison. Baker and Nolasco are roughly equal, Nolasco better numbers but in the N.L. and could earn a bit more through Arb.

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TwinsVet
4 years 7 months ago

Kinda what I figured. One of Hicks/Revere could be made available, but I don’t think Hicks/Revere + Gibson/Sano is an option for us. Of our top 4 prospects (Hicks, Revere, Gibson, Sano), we could really only afford to part with one of them.

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shysox
4 years 7 months ago

I’m not aware of the Twins system at all, but isn’t Aaron Hicks better then Ben Revere?

And if the twins can give up Nolasco and Morrison to get it done, do you think that John Danks and Gordon Beckham can get it done? Well, it’s too bad the White Sox have no interest in Upton, hopefully he doesn’t turn out like his brother though.

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TwinsVet
4 years 7 months ago

Hicks has better upside than Revere, but is also further away from arriving in the bigs.

I’d think Danks + Beckham + B+ prospect would be a pretty attractive package, and worth taking a look at. Gordon’s stock took a hit last year (IMHO), but if he can stick at MI, he should still be a fairly attractive trade chip.

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shysox
4 years 7 months ago

Well, obviously you’re right about Gordon’s stock taking a hit, he was absolutely horrible last year but he ended the season hitting above .250, fortunately he hit (.310/.380/.497/.877) in the 2nd half compared to a (.216/.277/.304/.581) in the first half. and he had a pretty good 2nd half but this will be a completely biased thought, but would John Danks+Gordon Beckham+Dayan Viciedo+cash considerations be a better package then a nolasco+morrison and a baker+hicks/revere? i mean, you might think I’m a homer but i personally think, IMO Danks is better than Nolasco and Baker and Beckham is better than Revere/Hicks and Morrison, I mean of course this is coming from a White Sox fan, but despite his down season I still think he has A potential and he’s a 5 tool player, if he has a few more years in the majors i think he could develop into an elite player, but Morrison will probably be a better hitter, but he doesn’t hit much power, but he can hit for a much higher average, of course. But before you say that my statement is wrong, consider this. If beckham had more then 5 minutes in the minors, he could’ve easily been a top 5 prospect, and he was rushed to the majors, i think he should’ve spent 2009 completely in the minors, but that’s just me. Beckham also never played 2nd base in the minors before, but after the Mark Teahen trade next year, they told him to move to 2nd base, a position he has never played in the minors, that might’ve been one of the reasons he started off the season slow, too much focus on his fielding, but what do you guys think?

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jwsox
4 years 7 months ago

well looking at danks he is by far better than those two pitchers…not saying those two are back but danks is an over all better pitcher ad younger than both i believe…..as for gordon he is better then the prospects simply because he is not a prospect and has proven for more time than the others he can handle big league pitching

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jwsox
4 years 7 months ago

well looking at danks he is by far better than those two pitchers…not saying those two are back but danks is an over all better pitcher ad younger than both i believe…..as for gordon he is better then the prospects simply because he is not a prospect and has proven for more time than the others he can handle big league pitching

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BrocNessMonster
4 years 7 months ago

That second half line is more what he should be good for in the majors, and let me say this, coming from a second baseman? An .877 OPS from your 2nd baseman???!!!??? That’s beast mode right there. If they want to get rid of him, I’d hope the Dodgers are all over it.

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JustMyLuck
4 years 7 months ago

Kenny Willimas is trying to move either Gavin Floyd or Edwin Jackson, not Danks. Plus they are looking for a run producing left handed bat.

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jwsox
4 years 7 months ago

kenny williams is trying to move them? where have you heard this?

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jwsox
4 years 7 months ago

kenny williams is trying to move them? where have you heard this?

Guest
4 years 7 months ago

Yeah last i heard on Danks they were trying to extend him.

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jwsox
4 years 7 months ago

his stock is actually just as good as it ever was…he kit something like .330/.380//.400 after the all star break…(obviously not those exact numbers but it was crazy good) and while his stock may be lowered all the gm’s also know it is his second year in the bigs, his 3rd position in 2 years, and he is under team control for the next 6 years

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TwinsVet
4 years 7 months ago

I’m not saying he doesn’t have incredible potential.I’m just saying I think his trade chip value was higher this time last year, before people realized he’s actually human.

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M_Harden
4 years 7 months ago

How many humans do you know are 23 years old, put up 3.8 WAR in a “down” year, and do so in only 571 PA?

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TwinsVet
4 years 7 months ago

Again, the kid’s a stud. I’m not saying he isn’t going to make several All-Star games. I just get the sense that he could have brought a bigger return this time last year.

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M_Harden
4 years 7 months ago

Well duh, but even at his lowest point he’s still got incredible trade value. Why even mention it? It’s so blatantly obvious. And your offer featured Revere and Baker as the core for the package. lol to the max. It’s going to take Gibson and Hicks as the centerpieces plus more.

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TwinsVet
4 years 7 months ago

It seemed relevant. This time last year, Beckham + A prospect could have got it done. Now, it’d take Beckham + A prospect + B- prospect.

Revere & Baker is the type of package that addresses “immediate and long term” value, which the reports indicate Towers would be looking for. I obviously don’t have any illusions such a package could get it done, I was merely stating that it’s probably the best we could reasonably offer.

Why is it some Sox fans just instinctively feel the need to bash anyone from Minnesota, even when they’re acknowledging they can’t put a winning package together and the Sox have a stud kid?

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M_Harden
4 years 7 months ago

Best you could offer? Baker and Revere are average players AT BEST. That’s absolutely ridiculous.

And I don’t know about the Sox fans insulting Twins fans thing. Maybe you should go ask a Sox fan.

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TwinsVet
4 years 7 months ago

You must have missed the part of the post where I listed Revere, Hicks, Sano, and Gibson, and indicated we could package one of them with Baker, but not 2 or more of them.

And yes, I stand by the notion that the Twins really cannot afford to give up 2 of our top prospects. They’d need to in order to make a deal happen, but our farm isn’t deep enough right now with blue chippers to afford to part with two of them.

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TwinsVet
4 years 7 months ago

I’m not saying he doesn’t have incredible potential.I’m just saying I think his trade chip value was higher this time last year, before people realized he’s actually human.

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jwsox
4 years 7 months ago

his stock is actually just as good as it ever was…he kit something like .330/.380//.400 after the all star break…(obviously not those exact numbers but it was crazy good) and while his stock may be lowered all the gm’s also know it is his second year in the bigs, his 3rd position in 2 years, and he is under team control for the next 6 years

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4 years 7 months ago

I think what TwinsVet was saying is they could improve it by offering Hicks over Revere, but they can’t do two of their top 4 guys…just speculating though.

Danks and Beckham are comparable to Nolasco, Morrison, but I’d have to imagine it would take more to get a deal done. I also think pitchers like Nolasco, Danks, Baker would have more trade value to a team other than the D-Backs. They all are good number 3 pitchers with value, but only have 2 years of team control remaining. I don’t see how centering a deal (first or 2nd piece) around a pitcher like that makes sense for Arizona. If they are moving Upton I don’t see how they are competing by the end of the deal. Sure they would have good resale value (i.e. Edwin Jackson), but the D-backs have to be regretting that Jackson deal even if the did get Dan Hudson and Ian Kennedy. Now maybe if this expands to a three team deal guys like Baker, Danks and Nolasco could be in play, but right now If I’m Arizona I want guys with 4 years of team control at least.

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Hoosierdaddy92
4 years 7 months ago

very true. The Dbacks should be looking at pitching PROSPECTS that can help them in the somewhat distant future like 3-4 years, not right now. Otherwise, dealing Upton, a player that can help you Now AND in the near future, is counterproductive. Dealing Upton would signify the Dbacks see themselves more likely to compete in 3-4 years with ALL the pieces they acquire from the Upton trade plus their own pieces, rather than just having Upton and paying him his full-salary as well as their own pieces. Team’s with a plethera of high quality pitching prospects, i.e. the Dodgers, Rays, or even Tigers should be the main people the Dbacks talk to.

Guest
4 years 7 months ago

Yeah they might take a 3 year arb. guy like Garza, but yeah they need guys for the future. I think an Upton deal could make sense for the D-backs esp. if they move Drew as well. I think they will want a pitcher or two, but remember their primary return for Jackson and Haren were pitchers plus Ian Kennedy. Arizona I’m sure would want another arm or two, but I also think they want a couple high upside position prospects.

It would not surprise me in the least to see two of the top three players back in the deal to be positional guys.

Guest
4 years 7 months ago

Yeah they might take a 3 year arb. guy like Garza, but yeah they need guys for the future. I think an Upton deal could make sense for the D-backs esp. if they move Drew as well. I think they will want a pitcher or two, but remember their primary return for Jackson and Haren were pitchers plus Ian Kennedy. Arizona I’m sure would want another arm or two, but I also think they want a couple high upside position prospects.

It would not surprise me in the least to see two of the top three players back in the deal to be positional guys.

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$1529282
4 years 7 months ago

Hicks is better than Revere, and just about any prospect we have (Gibson aside, maybe).

Baseball America ranked him 9th in MLB during their Midseason Top 25, which I realize is weakened because several elite prospects (Heyward, Stanton, Posey, etc.) have already been called up, but he’ll likely land in the Top 25 in MLB again preseason, along with Kyle Gibson.

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$1529282
4 years 7 months ago

Hicks is better than Revere, and just about any prospect we have (Gibson aside, maybe).

Baseball America ranked him 9th in MLB during their Midseason Top 25, which I realize is weakened because several elite prospects (Heyward, Stanton, Posey, etc.) have already been called up, but he’ll likely land in the Top 25 in MLB again preseason, along with Kyle Gibson.

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jwsox
4 years 7 months ago

I would guess that the deal from the whitesox could be one of these two…Danks+Quentin+jarred mitchel/jordan danks+relief prospect..but that deal is only if danks turns down the extension….now if danks agrees to an extension then this could possibly be a deal for them….Floyd+Gordon Beckham+jarred mitchell/ jordan danks+ relief prospect…both very good deals…maybe throw quentin into the second deal too but highly doubtfull…maybe try to get drew or kelly johnson back from the dbacks as well

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Nicolas_C
4 years 7 months ago

I would ABSOLUTELY NOT not Danks and Beckham for Upton. First of all, we have a full outfield. Second of all, it’s just not worth it. Let’s just look at Danks:

Danks- 4.3 WAR in 2010
Upton- 3.1 WAR in 2010

Yes, Upton did have 4.6 WAR in 2009, but Danks AND a potential future star in Beckham would not be worth it with our loaded outfield. And as you alluded to, you never know if Justin could be the next Bossman Junior.

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BrocNessMonster
4 years 7 months ago

Agree. I’d maybe consider Beckham + a prospect and a lower level guy for Upton but….

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$1529282
4 years 7 months ago

I wouldn’t put Revere in our Top 4 prospects. Joe Benson’s bat has far more upside, and Alex Wimmers could be ahead of him too. Revere just doesn’t have the power or outfield arm to be an elite prospect.

But by all means, give them Span, Benson, and Gibson… hell give them pretty much whoever they want. I’d give up just about anything short of Sano for Justin Upton.

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$1529282
4 years 7 months ago

I wouldn’t put Revere in our Top 4 prospects. Joe Benson’s bat has far more upside, and Alex Wimmers could be ahead of him too. Revere just doesn’t have the power or outfield arm to be an elite prospect.

But by all means, give them Span, Benson, and Gibson… hell give them pretty much whoever they want. I’d give up just about anything short of Sano for Justin Upton.

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TwinsVet
4 years 7 months ago

True, Benson’s emergence and Sano’s signing last year have knocked Revere’s standing a bit. This time last year Revere was in our Top-4; at this point it’s debatable. I think Revere’s edge over Hicks/Benson/Sano is just that he’s closer to actually making a starting roster spot – he was the only one of the four who was a September call-up, after all.

I look at Upton as a long-term replacement for RF with Cuddyer’s pending departure. I still think Span is an above-average lead-off guy and competent in CF (not to mention cheap, and for several years). Gibson is our next best internal option for a quality SP. Those two guys are tough to move in my book.

Anyhow, this is all just a fantasy anyways. I think we can all agree the Twins aren’t even in the conversation.

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mauerfan
4 years 7 months ago

Joe Benson>Revere. Revere isn’t all that, he has a terrible arm. all he can do is hit singles and run fast. reminds me of Span.

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TwinsVet
4 years 7 months ago

Kinda what I figured. One of Hicks/Revere could be made available, but I don’t think Hicks/Revere + Gibson/Sano is an option for us. Of our top 4 prospects (Hicks, Revere, Gibson, Sano), we could really only afford to part with one of them.

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4 years 7 months ago

I’m guessing the Twins would need to offer at least one other significant prospect. Revere is good but he isn’t on the same level as Morrison. Baker and Nolasco are roughly equal, Nolasco better numbers but in the N.L. and could earn a bit more through Arb.

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Dave_Gershman
4 years 7 months ago

For the Twins, it would have to be

Ben Revere Kyle Gibson Danny Valencia Miguel Angel Sano

I still like the Royals as the best fit…Billy Butler, Mike Montgomery, Crawford Simmons, and Yordano Ventura.

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TwinsVet
4 years 7 months ago

…and that’s just never going to happen. Gibson/Valencia/Sano all in the same package would simply not happen. There’s no single player out there who is good enough and cheap enough and young enough to justify a package like that.

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Dave_Gershman
4 years 7 months ago

Valencia, Span and Sano and Slama I’d do that

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TwinsVet
4 years 7 months ago

No way. Valencia is hugely valuable. 3rd in AL ROY voting, demonstrated ability to hit .300 with some pop, and under control for 5+ years still.

Sano is arguably the best 17-year old MI prospect in the world.

Putting one of them to headline a package would be tough. Both would be unthinkable.

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BrocNessMonster
4 years 7 months ago

Kansas City is not a team that needs to be trading away top prospects. Even if it is for a potential franchise player.

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4 years 7 months ago

In considering a package for Justin Upton, I took a look at what their GM was saying.
Towers is committed to rebuilding the bullpen and adding a closer, and the latter he said would more than likely come via a trade rather than the free-agent market. He’d also like another starting pitcher, a left fielder and more bench strength. The D-backs are also committed to cutting the player payroll from $75.5 million at the start of this past season to about $60 million in 2011. “I’d like to compete and hopefully win the division in 2011. So any move that we make is going to be for more Major League-ready players. I’m not looking to acquire A-ball prospects right now.”
So let start with Soria as the main part of this trade package. His remaining contract including club options totals $26.75 million through 2014. Only $4.75 million is guaranteed for next year and if the 2012 option is not picked up. While Justin Upton contracts runs from 2011 -2015 and has a total guaranteed value of $49.5 million 11:$4.25M, 12:$6.75M, 13:$9.75M, 14:$14.25M, 15:$14.5M). He also has a limited no-trade protection and may block deals to four clubs.
Soria would address his search for a closer and salaries for next year are about the same.
As far as reducing payroll, this has already been accomplished with the departures of Brandon Webb, Dan Haren, Rodrigo Lopez, Kris Benson, Adam Laroche, Mike Hampton, Aaron Heilman, Connor Jackson, Chad Qualls and Edwin Jackson. Players eligible for arbitration includes Joe Saunders, Stephen Drew, Kelly Johnson and Miguel Montero. Players with signed contracts for 2011 include Chris Young – CF (2011-2013 $32 million with $1.5 million buyout for 2014 – otherwise $11 million club option) and Mark Reynolds – 3B (2011-2012 $13 million with $.5 million buyout for 2013 – otherwise $11 million club option) and Geoff Blum – UT (2011-2012 $2.7 million)
I do not see Towers trading any of his salary arbitration guys. He might be interested in moving Chris Young but his contract seems pretty high for a career .241 hitter. Mark Reynolds is going no where. With over 200 strikeouts a season and a batting average under the Mendosa line last year, he is pretty much untradeable unless they eat a lot of his contract.
So what else is it going to take to make this attractive? In looking at their depth charts, I am not impressed with their personnel at 1B, LF, 3B and relief pitching. You could offer Clint Robinson (AA Triple Crown Winner) as a 1B candidate to compete with Brandon Allen. You could offer a choice between Wilson Betemit and Josh Fields as a possible bench player and to replace Mark Reynolds if they do something with him. As far as outfielders, I would offer a choice between Mitch Maier, Gregor Blanco, and Jarrod Dyson. As far as relief pitchers, I would offer a choice between Philip Humber and Greg Holland.
All of the latter candidates have low contract values and addressed the Diamondbacks immediate needs. I would love to see us move about 4-5 players off of our 40 man roster and use the slots to protect some more players before the Rule 5 draft. Maybe we could keep one open to take another Soria type player.
Just a thought!

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4 years 7 months ago

Towers is committed to rebuilding the bullpen and adding a closer, and the latter he said would more than likely come via a trade rather than the free-agent market. He’d also like another starting pitcher, a left fielder and more bench strength. The D-backs are also committed to cutting the player payroll from $75.5 million at the start of this past season to about $60 million in 2011. “I’d like to compete and hopefully win the division in 2011. So any move that we make is going to be for more Major League-ready players. I’m not looking to acquire A-ball prospects right now.”

So let start with Soria as the main part of this trade package. His remaining contract including club options totals $26.75 million through 2014. Only $4.75 million is guaranteed for next year and if the 2012 option is not picked up. While Justin Upton contracts runs from 2011 -2015 and has a total guaranteed value of $49.5 million 11:$4.25M, 12:$6.75M, 13:$9.75M, 14:$14.25M, 15:$14.5M). He also has a limited no-trade protection and may block deals to four clubs.
Soria would address his search for a closer and salaries for next year are about the same.

As far as reducing payroll, this has already been accomplished with the departures of Brandon Webb, Dan Haren, Rodrigo Lopez, Kris Benson, Adam Laroche, Mike Hampton, Aaron Heilman, Connor Jackson, Chad Qualls and Edwin Jackson.

Players eligible for arbitration includes Joe Saunders, Stephen Drew, Kelly Johnson and Miguel Montero. Players with signed contracts for 2011 include Chris Young – CF (2011-2013 $32 million with $1.5 million buyout for 2014 – otherwise $11 million club option) and Mark Reynolds – 3B (2011-2012 $13 million with $.5 million buyout for 2013 – otherwise $11 million club option) and Geoff Blum – UT (2011-2012 $2.7 million)

I do not see Towers trading any of his salary arbitration guys. He might be interested in moving Chris Young but his contract seems pretty high for a career .241 hitter. Mark Reynolds is going no where. With over 200 strikeouts a season and a batting average under the Mendosa line last year, he is pretty much untradeable unless they eat a lot of his contract.

So what else is it going to take to make this attractive? In looking at their depth charts, I am not impressed with their personnel at 1B, LF, 3B and relief pitching. You could offer Clint Robinson (AA Triple Crown Winner) as a 1B candidate to compete with Brandon Allen. You could offer a choice between Wilson Betemit and Josh Fields as a possible bench player and to replace Mark Reynolds if they do something with him. As far as outfielders, I would offer a choice between Mitch Maier, Gregor Blanco, and Jarrod Dyson. As far as relief pitchers, I would offer a choice between Philip Humber and Greg Holland.

All of the latter candidates have low contract values and addressed the Diamondbacks immediate needs. I would love to see us move about 4-5 players off of our 40 man roster and use the slots to protect some more players before the Rule 5 draft. Maybe we could keep one open to take another Soria type player.
Just a thought!

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moonraker45
4 years 7 months ago

Morrison and Nolasco for Upton????/

I’d do that in a heartbeat (if i’m the marlins)

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Tko11
4 years 7 months ago

Agreed, Upton is a great outfielder. It might make up for all the bad moves they have made this offseason if thats possible.

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marlinsfanatic
4 years 7 months ago

Why would you guys do that? LoMo projects be a great ball player. If we trade ricky we would have to sign a starter for sure. If i were marlins i would offer nolasco, kyle skipworth, and one of our good minor league arms like brad hand.

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moonraker45
4 years 7 months ago

Should have just traded Uggla for Drabek! lol

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marlinsfanatic
4 years 7 months ago

Haha i guess so. Better than infante and dunn.

Guest
4 years 7 months ago

They have to offer Drabek first, which they didnt.

Guest
4 years 7 months ago

That was the joke…

Guest
4 years 7 months ago

Missed it, sorry. It’s been a long two days, lol

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Tko11
4 years 7 months ago

I rather have a proven outfielder than a prospect who may still go either way(ex Brandon Wood last year). Nolasco isn’t exactly irreplaceable either… Either way Id imagine the dbacks would want more than just those two. I would not give more than those two if I was the Marlins…Upton’s value is overhyped at this point and as it has been said some team would have to overpay(player wise) to pry him away from the dbacks.

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BrocNessMonster
4 years 7 months ago

I don’t think I’d be letting Skipworth go anywhere. And, LoMo, projects as a good hitter, but I can’t remember seeing any good reviews on his D. Upton scores runs with the bat, and saves em with the glove. LoMo would have to hit a ton to be close to Upton’s value.

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ludafish
4 years 7 months ago

LoMo is actually a first baseman and they ranked his defense pretty high….not amazing but they said he had a chance to be great. he was never an outfielder. I would definitely prefer upton in the outfield over Lomo

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ludafish
4 years 7 months ago

I would give up Ricky and someone else for Upton all day, but i dont want to trade LoMo either. He is projected to hit over .300 and about 20hr with 90rbi a season with a great OPB (at least thats what they predicted out of him before he came up) and we’ve really yet to see what he can do in a full season. Skipworth is supposed to be the future, but with Buck now he is expendable and they can find someone else by the time his 3 years are up. I’d give Gaby Sanchez, Ricky, and Skipworth. LoMo can go back to first and cogz in left…but i doubt it will happen

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roberty
4 years 7 months ago

The Marlins interest in Upton is surprising to me, as he is owed a lot of money ($50 million) over the next five years. I’m not saying it wouldn’t be worth it, I’m just saying the Marlins are cheapskates and wouldn’t be very excited to be paying anyone $15 million a year.

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tomymogo
4 years 7 months ago

I wouldn’t trade Morrison…….How about Gaby Sanchez, Scott Cousins, and Ricky Nolasco…….Move Morrison to 1B, Upton CF, Coghlan LF, Infante 2B, Viciedo 3B, Buck Catcher……Better defense, better offense, though less pitching, and less depth, and more salary.

Pretty good team, if they do that and use the money to acquire pitching and depth.

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BrocNessMonster
4 years 7 months ago

Did I miss a post? The Marlins got Dayan Vicideo?!?!

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shysox
4 years 7 months ago

yeah, what the hell, viciedo?

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tomymogo
4 years 7 months ago

Sorry confused Viciedo with Matt Dominguez.

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14 Rocks
4 years 7 months ago

I agree. That GM is out of his mind. It would take a lot more than that to get Upton.

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iains
4 years 7 months ago

I imagine there will be a ‘We do not comment on possible negotiations’ comment from the Toronto front office. AA tends to be a real killjoy that way.

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bbxxj
4 years 7 months ago

I hadn’t given Upton much thought since we got our ‘big right handed bat’ but he does make alot of sence for the Rays and they definately have the ammo to get it done. Wade Davis, Reid Brignac, Jake McGee, and Drew Vettleson? I bet Rays fans think thats too much and DBacks fans think its too little.

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4 years 7 months ago

I’m neither fan and I’d probably say that is too much. If I’m the Rays I’d rather move Garza as part of the deal in terms of money and hang on to Vettleson. Garza, Brignac and McGee still could be ‘too much’ but I think the D-Backs might bite (if they are also dealing Drew that is). Still don’t think it will happen though.

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4 years 7 months ago

I wouldn’t want to send off Mcgee or Brignac. Do you think we could send Garza, Bartlett and another prospect such as Torress?

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4 years 7 months ago

Garza doesn’t have enough team control left to make sense for Arizona, unless of course a third team was brought in to which Garza was then flipped for more young, controllable talent.

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bbxxj
4 years 7 months ago

Agreed. Arizona is going to want players still in their pre-arbi stages. To be the top bidder in this one a pitcher along the lines of Davis, Hanson, Porcello, Hughes, Nolasco etc will have to be going to the desert.

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14 Rocks
4 years 7 months ago

Dave Cameron suggested on fangraphs that it would take an offer of something like Hanson, Minor, Freeman, Teheran plus another prospect from the Braves to get Upton. That is a ton more than this Morrison/Nolasco from the Marlins suggestion. I don’t see any team meeting Arizona’s asking price if Cameron is correct.

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BrocNessMonster
4 years 7 months ago

Hahahah! I’d take Tommy Hanson straight up for damn near any player, including Upton.

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The_Porcupine
4 years 7 months ago

What about Shields? He’s under a more budget friendly contract. Maybe if his brother is on the team, BJ will take his head out of his ###.

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BrocNessMonster
4 years 7 months ago

Exactly.

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4 years 7 months ago

Garza doesn’t have enough team control left to make sense for Arizona, unless of course a third team was brought in to which Garza was then flipped for more young, controllable talent.

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4 years 7 months ago

Unfortunately not, the Rays have to give up a couple of good prospects to get this deal done. Garza has value, but Bartlett doesn’t make much sense for Arizona. Upton has one of the highest trade values out there right now (of likely traded players, so no Posey or Longoria type guys), with Greinke being perhaps the only guy I’d say with more value.

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4 years 7 months ago

Unfortunately not, the Rays have to give up a couple of good prospects to get this deal done. Garza has value, but Bartlett doesn’t make much sense for Arizona. Upton has one of the highest trade values out there right now (of likely traded players, so no Posey or Longoria type guys), with Greinke being perhaps the only guy I’d say with more value.

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Hoosierdaddy92
4 years 7 months ago

The Rays have already dealt with one headache named Upton, you really think they want to chance having another one?

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4 years 7 months ago

I know he has been frustrating but I am sure plenty of teams around the league would take BJ upton if he is available (which he could be)

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Hoosierdaddy92
4 years 7 months ago

yea but then if the Rays trade BJ and get Justin, there’s might be a bit of a bad vibe there? just a thought. It’d be nice for the Rays to get Justin. It would be a Justince (lol) in Baseball considering all the good players they are losing this offseason.

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Hoosierdaddy92
4 years 7 months ago

yea but then if the Rays trade BJ and get Justin, there’s might be a bit of a bad vibe there? just a thought. It’d be nice for the Rays to get Justin. It would be a Justince (lol) in Baseball considering all the good players they are losing this offseason.

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4 years 7 months ago

I know he has been frustrating but I am sure plenty of teams around the league would take BJ upton if he is available (which he could be)

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BrocNessMonster
4 years 7 months ago

D’Back fans should be all over getting like 5 or 6 years of Davis and McGee + for 5 years of Upton.

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4 years 7 months ago

I wouldn’t move Morrison personally.