Blue Jays Still Showing Interest In Zack Greinke

The Blue Jays are still showing interest in Royals ace Zack Greinke, reports Bob Elliott of The Toronto Sun. They inquired about the right-hander last month, and Elliott hears that the Jays believe the need "one more big piece" to make a run at the AL East title next season.

The Twins, Rangers, Braves, Reds, Mariners, and Nationals have all inquired about Greinke according to Elliott. The Royals have said they won't trade the former Cy Young Award winner within their division, limiting their options somewhat. The market for Greinke could heat up once Cliff Lee signs, since both the Rangers and Yankees could turn their attention towards him since he's the only other ace-caliber starter that we know is available.


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4 years 8 months ago

Braves interested in Grienke? Where would a package even begin with that regard? Jurrjens?

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Not Jurrjens…

Here’s how I see it…

Braves: Mike Minor, Randall Delgado, Carlos Perez, and Christian Bethancourt
Rangers: Derek Holland, Engel Beltre, and Jurrickson Profar
Twins: Aaron Hicks and Kyle Gibson
Mariners: Michael Pineda, Nick Franklin, and Ramon Morla
Nationals: Drew Storen, Derek Norris, and Danny Espinosa
Reds: Billy Hamilton, Mike Leake and Devin Mesoraco
Angels: Hank Conger, Fabio Martinez Mesa, and Jordan Walden
Yankees: Jesus Montero, Dellin Betances, Joba Chamberlain, and David Adams
Blue Jays: Kyle Drabek, Travis Snider, Anthony Gose, and Matt Daly
Astros: Jordan Lyles, Jason Castro, Albert Cartwright, and J.D. Martinez
Cardinals: Colby Rasmus
Rockies: Tyler Matzek, Ian Stewart, Esmil Rogers, and Dexter Fowler
Mets: Not going to happen.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Forgot to mention…

Brewers: Jeffress, Lawrie, Odorizzi, and Rogers.

Sam_Lee
4 years 8 months ago

Or just pitch Rogers next season and have 3 top prospects still in the system.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Escobar would likely be asked to get by the Royals and the Brewers would probably say no. Odorizzi and Lawrie would be the centerpiece with Jefferss as the 3rd.

Keep in mind guys, your getting 2 years of an ace at a cheaper price then he would be on the open market. Also, good chance that Greinkes new team would be asked by Greinke for an extension

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Escobar would likely be asked to get by the Royals and the Brewers would probably say no. Odorizzi and Lawrie would be the centerpiece with Jefferss as the 3rd.

Keep in mind guys, your getting 2 years of an ace at a cheaper price then he would be on the open market. Also, good chance that Greinkes new team would be asked by Greinke for an extension

Sam_Lee
4 years 8 months ago

Or just pitch Rogers next season and have 3 top prospects still in the system.

Sixto_Lezcano
4 years 8 months ago

Jeffress, Lawrie, Odorizzi, and Rogers…

This is for Greinke, Moustakas and Montgomery, right?

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

No, for two years of an ace that could nab a division title at the very least for 2 years. Jefferss has real control problems and has only put up great numbers for a season. Rogers isn’t a sure thing, thus its 2 blue chippers and more.

The experts I’ve spoken to believe that my offers are in fact light.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

No, for two years of an ace that could nab a division title at the very least for 2 years. Jefferss has real control problems and has only put up great numbers for a season. Rogers isn’t a sure thing, thus its 2 blue chippers and more.

The experts I’ve spoken to believe that my offers are in fact light.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

No, for two years of an ace that could nab a division title at the very least for 2 years. Jefferss has real control problems and has only put up great numbers for a season. Rogers isn’t a sure thing, thus its 2 blue chippers and more.

The experts I’ve spoken to believe that my offers are in fact light.

Sixto_Lezcano
4 years 8 months ago

Jeffress, Lawrie, Odorizzi, and Rogers…

This is for Greinke, Moustakas and Montgomery, right?

Sixto_Lezcano
4 years 8 months ago

Jeffress, Lawrie, Odorizzi, and Rogers…

This is for Greinke, Moustakas and Montgomery, right?

shockey12
4 years 8 months ago

I think you are WAY overvaluing Grienke…

There’s no way he’s worth Drabek, Gose AND Snider plus others for one year of a pitcher

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

2 years of an ace.

Here’s the thing, from what I’ve heard from people close to Greinke, including Rany Jazayerli, Greinke due to some of his feelings, only has the will do pitch well when his team is doing well. I’d you remember, back in 09 the Royals got off to an awesome start, thus he was pitching fantastic until late may when the Royals started to play poorly. Then in mid-August when he figured that he was in the Cy Young mix, he started to pitch much better. His value is actually very high right now. He finished 7th in the league in WAR and going to the Jays, a winning team, he would he energized mentally to go out and compete every time out. So they’d be getting a mix of the Greinke of 08 and 09.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

2 years of an ace.

Here’s the thing, from what I’ve heard from people close to Greinke, including Rany Jazayerli, Greinke due to some of his feelings, only has the will do pitch well when his team is doing well. I’d you remember, back in 09 the Royals got off to an awesome start, thus he was pitching fantastic until late may when the Royals started to play poorly. Then in mid-August when he figured that he was in the Cy Young mix, he started to pitch much better. His value is actually very high right now. He finished 7th in the league in WAR and going to the Jays, a winning team, he would he energized mentally to go out and compete every time out. So they’d be getting a mix of the Greinke of 08 and 09.

vtadave
4 years 8 months ago

You’re a solid poster, but no way some of those deals go down. A trend worth nothing over the last few years is the skyrocketing value of having cost-controlled high-ceiling young talent. Yes, Greinke could put a team over the top, but for say the Jays to gut their organization of that level of talent is asinine. Are they really on the verge of overtaking the Yankees and Red Sox? No chance.

Same with a team like the Nats. All three of those guys are expected to be a huge part of the future success of the franchise. That’s a team that needs to ADD talent, not deal three for one.

I of course say this with all due respect.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

I hear you Dave, and do agree that my Jays and Nationals offers were a bit too much, but I think most of the offers are fair.

Think about what your getting. 2 years of an ace who’s bring paid less than he would get on the open market. he was 7th in the league in WAR and there are strong indications that he will have a much better season not on the Royals.

4 years 8 months ago

Solid post, but my problem with the jays trade is that the jays coudnt get both drabek and gose in the same deal for halladay, remember they had to make a few trades to get gose from the astros who acquired gose from the phillys in the oswalt deal last season.. not sure they would make that deal with that in mind

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

I hear you Dave, and do agree that my Jays and Nationals offers were a bit too much, but I think most of the offers are fair.

Think about what your getting. 2 years of an ace who’s bring paid less than he would get on the open market. he was 7th in the league in WAR and there are strong indications that he will have a much better season not on the Royals.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

I hear you Dave, and do agree that my Jays and Nationals offers were a bit too much, but I think most of the offers are fair.

Think about what your getting. 2 years of an ace who’s bring paid less than he would get on the open market. he was 7th in the league in WAR and there are strong indications that he will have a much better season not on the Royals.

Guest
4 years 8 months ago

well obviously some of those deals dont go down. you can only trade him once. they are just ideas, i dont see you giving any ideas

vtadave
4 years 8 months ago

If you want ideas, here you go. If we assume Greinke is traded, I think the favorites are the Rangers, Braves, and the Reds. I think Span’s proposals for all three teams are pretty reasonable actually. With all the young offensive talent the Royals have in the organization, he’s going to go to a team that can afford to give up young pitching, preferably a couple very solid guys. Each of the three teams mentioned here has the pitching to deal.

Reds: Leake, Wood, and Hamilton (infielder)
Texas: Holland is a great start. Add in Scheppers and you’re at least close.
Braves: Delgado, Vizcaino (assuming the medical records are clean), and Perez

Guest
4 years 8 months ago

ok… those seem fair

4 years 8 months ago

I don’t know if I give up both Leake and Wood, in a deal… Maybe Leake, Bailey, and whoever from the minors, or Wood, minor league good pitcher, and another good prospect. Both Leake and Wood seem like pitchers that are both going to be good middle of the rotation guys at worst at the big league level.

vtadave
4 years 8 months ago

If you want ideas, here you go. If we assume Greinke is traded, I think the favorites are the Rangers, Braves, and the Reds. I think Span’s proposals for all three teams are pretty reasonable actually. With all the young offensive talent the Royals have in the organization, he’s going to go to a team that can afford to give up young pitching, preferably a couple very solid guys. Each of the three teams mentioned here has the pitching to deal.

Reds: Leake, Wood, and Hamilton (infielder)
Texas: Holland is a great start. Add in Scheppers and you’re at least close.
Braves: Delgado, Vizcaino (assuming the medical records are clean), and Perez

vtadave
4 years 8 months ago

You’re a solid poster, but no way some of those deals go down. A trend worth nothing over the last few years is the skyrocketing value of having cost-controlled high-ceiling young talent. Yes, Greinke could put a team over the top, but for say the Jays to gut their organization of that level of talent is asinine. Are they really on the verge of overtaking the Yankees and Red Sox? No chance.

Same with a team like the Nats. All three of those guys are expected to be a huge part of the future success of the franchise. That’s a team that needs to ADD talent, not deal three for one.

I of course say this with all due respect.

vtadave
4 years 8 months ago

You’re a solid poster, but no way some of those deals go down. A trend worth nothing over the last few years is the skyrocketing value of having cost-controlled high-ceiling young talent. Yes, Greinke could put a team over the top, but for say the Jays to gut their organization of that level of talent is asinine. Are they really on the verge of overtaking the Yankees and Red Sox? No chance.

Same with a team like the Nats. All three of those guys are expected to be a huge part of the future success of the franchise. That’s a team that needs to ADD talent, not deal three for one.

I of course say this with all due respect.

TdotsFinest
4 years 8 months ago

so pretty much ur saying greinke is a diva and will only perform well if his team is winning. not a player i want on my team. hes also had a history of anxiety issues and said he didnt want to pitch for a high market team. i think in the AL east he will be a huge bust.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

That is in fact part of his anxiety issues. The Jays are a large market team but not a large media market and huge ballpark fan base type of team. This isn’t NY and he pitches at AL East parks every year why wouldn’t he do well is he was on the Jays?

TdotsFinest
4 years 8 months ago

because he would have to compete against the AL teams a hell of a lot more

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

So what’s the differene? 12 or so starts compared to 6? Not a crazy difference. It doesn’t matter as long as he’s not on one of those teams.

TdotsFinest
4 years 8 months ago

u might be right. still a good baseball conversation so thank you. id rather AA focus on soria because our rotation is the last thing we need to upgrade. id rather focus on our weakness instead of improving our strengths.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Its a great Baseball conversation and personally, I agree, why should the Jays mess with their rotation?

TdotsFinest
4 years 8 months ago

are u a jays fan?

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

The Jays are a team that I really do like, I might be working for the Fisher Cats next summer. I go to tons of their games.

eviola1
4 years 8 months ago

“Popcorn! Get your popcorn here!”

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

More in terms of management.

pastlives
4 years 8 months ago

buddy i don’t know what you think you’ve been told but high school kids don’t get management jobs with professional sport teams

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Its an internship, and ill be in college next year.

TdotsFinest
4 years 8 months ago

so pretty much ur saying greinke is a diva and will only perform well if his team is winning. not a player i want on my team. hes also had a history of anxiety issues and said he didnt want to pitch for a high market team. i think in the AL east he will be a huge bust.

TdotsFinest
4 years 8 months ago

so pretty much ur saying greinke is a diva and will only perform well if his team is winning. not a player i want on my team. hes also had a history of anxiety issues and said he didnt want to pitch for a high market team. i think in the AL east he will be a huge bust.

TheodoreRoosevelt
4 years 8 months ago

It makes no sense for the Jays to give up Snider. As good as Greinke is, dealing Snider just creates one more hole in the field.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Well getting Greinke would solidify the rotation even more.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Well getting Greinke would solidify the rotation even more.

Ferrariman
4 years 8 months ago

the rangers one seems fairly even. Reds one seems a bit light. The rest i wouldn’t touch.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

I actually thought the Reds was the heaviest of them all. Do you like or not like the others I didn’t get it?

And its funny because everyone sees the Rangers as the logical choice.

Something to think about as well, Greinke can approve or deny a trade to 15 teams. The Rangers are not one of them.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

I actually thought the Reds was the heaviest of them all. Do you like or not like the others I didn’t get it?

And its funny because everyone sees the Rangers as the logical choice.

Something to think about as well, Greinke can approve or deny a trade to 15 teams. The Rangers are not one of them.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

I actually thought the Reds was the heaviest of them all. Do you like or not like the others I didn’t get it?

And its funny because everyone sees the Rangers as the logical choice.

Something to think about as well, Greinke can approve or deny a trade to 15 teams. The Rangers are not one of them.

HerbertAnchovy
4 years 8 months ago

What’s the deal Ferrariman? No shopped Cardinals hat in your avatar?

Guest
4 years 8 months ago

i know its a little off topic, but what happened to the avatar you had? i liked that one. now i dont even know who you are.

Ferrariman
4 years 8 months ago

the rangers one seems fairly even. Reds one seems a bit light. The rest i wouldn’t touch.

Sniderlover
4 years 8 months ago

Please stop with your insane proposals.

Drabek + Snider + Gose? Are you high? I wouldn’t be willing to trade Drabek + Snider let alone ++.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Since when is Snider the greatest thing since Sliced bread? Everyond overvalues him, but regardless, a move putting the Jays over the top plus Gose who may never reach his potential…i’d do that deal.

The Jays could then be the early favorites for the east

Sniderlover
4 years 8 months ago

Uhh Snider hit 14 homers in half the season. The kid is only 22 and improving. Has incredible raw power. Drabek has ace potential. Gose like ANY prospect may never reach his potential… or he might.

Early favorites? Lol, that doesn’t even make them wildcard favorites.

BTW, you overvalue Grienke way too much.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

No I don’t overvalue Greinke at all. Perhaps you don’t understand how he operates Royals.

Gose has already played 3 seasons of proball and hasn’t done a thing and Greinke had a fine season last year believe it or not. His simple stats like wins and ERA suggest he had a bad season, but he didn’t.

Why do you overvalue Snider and Gose? Snider did have a good “half” season but seeing recent “Snider types” fail, I don’t have confidence in him and I do think he will not live up to the hype. Regardless, these are 3 young players for 2 years of an ace for a good price.

According to experts, he doesn’t pitch well when there’s nothing to pitch for. And recent circumstances back that up. Being on the Jays could come with a Felix Hernandez like 29+ quality starts and a WAR even better than last season?

Sniderlover
4 years 8 months ago

Yes you do and please do explain how he operates the Royals? He is an ace and a good pitcher but this is a proposal that’s worth more than Halladay or even Gonzalez offer.

Uhh sorry if those guys haven’t proven much yet but look at how young they are and just because they haven’t proven much doesn’t mean you go out trading guys with great potential just because they haven’t proven anything. Snider was what, a top 5-10 prospect recently and he’s improved since then. Lost his fat, and is more athletic and better defensively. Still ONLY 22 whereas most guys are still in the minors at that age and it’s only because of injuries he hasn’t played a full season yet.

Gose is what, 20 years old? What the hell do you expect out of him in 3 years of pro ball? Become the best prospect and be up in the big leagues?

2 years of an ace for a horrible price.

And lol @ Felix comparison. One is a top 3 pitcher and the other is probably not even a top 10 pitcher in the league.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

First of all, I just did explain how he operates. Back on 09 the Royals got off to a great start and Greinke felt motivated to pitch well, when the Royals were on a 4 month slide he didn’t feel motivated, and when he realize he was in the Cy Young hunt he stepped it up. This is all according to professional scouts and writers including Rany Jazayerli.

It is 2 years whereas Halladay was one year, and still at the time I think Drabek, Wallace, and D’Arnaud is close to Snider/Drabek/and Gose. Plus, Greinke ranked 7th in Baseball in WAR last year, his FB and slider topped put faster then the year before, and again, his mental issues would be different elsewhere.

Most high school prospects have a decent sophomore season or 3rd season. Gose might be a late bloomer, but nothing suggests, especially from scoutsand experts, that he’ll succeed in AA. Upside and potential aside that is.

I realize that Snider is in better shape, but again, he has had time to prove that he can succeed at the Major League level and I’ve watched him play in the minors and Majors and although I like him a lot, KC needs talent in return. Thus, I think Drabek/Snider/Gose would be fair.

Sniderlover
4 years 8 months ago

You said in your earlier post “According to experts, he doesn’t pitch well when there’s nothing to pitch for.” –How is that a good thing that a player needs motivation to pitch well? Doesn’t matter if you’re playing on a bad or good team. He is an athlete and should be able to pitch his best no matter what situation he is in.

It was Halladay with extension and Drabek/Snider/Gose is not the same as Drabek/Wallace/D’Arnaud. Snider has the most potential out of all of them and while he hasn’t succeeded at the major league level, it’s because he hasn’t been given that much time as you may think. He was starting to play great this year and ended up with an injury. Came back slowly but he started heating up.

Uhh you do know Gose is 19 years old and was playing at high A ball? He was younger than most players there and what scouts/experts are you talking about?

Whatever, we’ll agree to disagree. You may think that’s a fair offer but I think it’s a horrible one.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Well we’ve agreed on lots of other things, so we’ll agree on something else soon, people do disagree on certain things.

I know you obviously know your Baseball, I was. Just stating my opinion

4 years 8 months ago

Here is why the Jays would never trade away Snider, Gose and Drabek for Greinke. One, Drabek is going to be an ace like starter for the Jays. He skipped Double-A to pitch in the MLB for three games and posted an ERA under five which is impressive, considering he never pitched at AAA. Two, Snider is simply an All-Star in the making. He is only 21, and he has been in and out of the bigs for three years. On top of that, include Gose with that trade. That is plain stupid, sorry for the harshness, but it is ridiculous to even post this.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

He didn’t skip AA. I saw him pitch in AA many times

4 years 8 months ago

Triple-A, my bad. Short term, yeah, that sounds like a good idea. The Jays might have 1 or 2 good seasons, depending on who else they get. But in the long run, their shooting themselves in the foot, trading away their franchise basically.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

What I meant was,

I know you obviously know your Baseball. I was just stating my opinion.

lipchitz
4 years 8 months ago

We traded Wallace for Gose so we clearly value him more, if anything Drabek’s value to the Jays has gone up (ECL pitcher of the year and all) plus Snider has a ton more value than D’Arnaud. No piece of that deal is of less value than what the Jays got for Halladay PLUS it was not 1 year of Halladay the only reason we got those players from Philly is extension Halladay signed.

I liked a lot of your trades that you proposed SPANdemonium but with this Jays one you are just wrong. Way, way, way too much to give up.

lipchitz
4 years 8 months ago

We traded Wallace for Gose so we clearly value him more, if anything Drabek’s value to the Jays has gone up (ECL pitcher of the year and all) plus Snider has a ton more value than D’Arnaud. No piece of that deal is of less value than what the Jays got for Halladay PLUS it was not 1 year of Halladay the only reason we got those players from Philly is extension Halladay signed.

I liked a lot of your trades that you proposed SPANdemonium but with this Jays one you are just wrong. Way, way, way too much to give up.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

No I don’t overvalue Greinke at all. Perhaps you don’t understand how he operates Royals.

Gose has already played 3 seasons of proball and hasn’t done a thing and Greinke had a fine season last year believe it or not. His simple stats like wins and ERA suggest he had a bad season, but he didn’t.

Why do you overvalue Snider and Gose? Snider did have a good “half” season but seeing recent “Snider types” fail, I don’t have confidence in him and I do think he will not live up to the hype. Regardless, these are 3 young players for 2 years of an ace for a good price.

According to experts, he doesn’t pitch well when there’s nothing to pitch for. And recent circumstances back that up. Being on the Jays could come with a Felix Hernandez like 29+ quality starts and a WAR even better than last season?

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Since when is Snider the greatest thing since Sliced bread? Everyond overvalues him, but regardless, a move putting the Jays over the top plus Gose who may never reach his potential…i’d do that deal.

The Jays could then be the early favorites for the east

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Since when is Snider the greatest thing since Sliced bread? Everyond overvalues him, but regardless, a move putting the Jays over the top plus Gose who may never reach his potential…i’d do that deal.

The Jays could then be the early favorites for the east

NYBravosFan10
4 years 8 months ago

you blue jays fans on here need an attitude adjustment I’ve heard more nasty comments out of you guys than any other team combined

Guest
4 years 8 months ago

snider lover

need i say more?

4 years 8 months ago

I would not give up Bethancourt in a deal. Sorry.

NYBravosFan10
4 years 8 months ago

I don’t want to lose Bethancourt either and in my opinion the Royals wouldn’t want him. He’s only nineteen and catchers take awhile to develop and are by no means a sure thing. I think Randall Delgado, JJ Hoover and Mycal Jones might get it done. I’d say add another B prospect but Frank Wren is a bandit at trading and would possibly find some way of wrestling one of the three I listed out of it.

NL_East_Rivalry
4 years 8 months ago

only one of those is a great prospect, Royals wont do it.

4 years 8 months ago

I would not give up Bethancourt in a deal. Sorry.

4 years 8 months ago

I would not give up Bethancourt in a deal. Sorry.

Brandon Woodworth
4 years 8 months ago

Yeah, ok at the Braves package. Not even Frank Wren is that dumb. I think you undervalue prospects and over value the tradee. Grenkie had one lights out year, he’s a number 2-3 starter right now. No way we risk giving up 2 projected 2-3 and our top relief prospect for 2 years of that. No one would. Especially since Minor is already majors ready.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

You don’t know Greinkes situation it seems like. He can only pitch well when he’s in a winning situation or a comfortable one according to experts. When the Royals play well, he pitches outstanding. He is an ace and he actually had a great season.

InLeylandWeTrust
4 years 8 months ago

Why would any team pay for a pitcher who is going to half-ass it if his team isn’t winning? Toronto, even with Grienke, has very little chance surpassing Boston or NY for a spot in the postseason.

His “situation” is pretty pathetic if you ask me. The kid is being paid millions of dollars to pitch about 33 games a season. Suck it up.

Edge8602
4 years 8 months ago

Okay lets present the fans of my favorite team as ignorant morons. Greinke posted a Low 3’s FIP, Mid 3s XFIP and similar tRAThe ONLY Braves starters that beat either numbers: Lowe had a better Xfip, Hanson with a better tRA. tRA is generally accepted as the most effective pitching stat for universal performance and you are highly mistaken if you think that Greinke is not an ace pitcher.

Its not worth giving up Delgado for. We have enough depth though we can build a package with bulk rather than top end talent though. Or trade Jurrjens who will be gone sooner rather than later anyways.

Brandon Woodworth
4 years 8 months ago

Yeah, ok at the Braves package. Not even Frank Wren is that dumb. I think you undervalue prospects and over value the tradee. Grenkie had one lights out year, he’s a number 2-3 starter right now. No way we risk giving up 2 projected 2-3 and our top relief prospect for 2 years of that. No one would. Especially since Minor is already majors ready.

4 years 8 months ago

here’s a question for ya spanny boy. Give that much up, or just sign cliff lee?

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Greinke is cheaper and i’d rather have Greinke over the next 2 years than Lee over the next 5

vtadave
4 years 8 months ago

If you’re talking about any team other than the Yankees, I’d probably agree depending on the package required to land Greinke.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

I’m not talking about the Yankees

vtadave
4 years 8 months ago

If you’re talking about any team other than the Yankees, I’d probably agree depending on the package required to land Greinke.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Greinke is cheaper and i’d rather have Greinke over the next 2 years than Lee over the next 5

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Greinke is cheaper and i’d rather have Greinke over the next 2 years than Lee over the next 5

4 years 8 months ago

here’s a question for ya spanny boy. Give that much up, or just sign cliff lee?

4 years 8 months ago

here’s a question for ya spanny boy. Give that much up, or just sign cliff lee?

TdotsFinest
4 years 8 months ago

oh my god! for that package from the jays then u better be throwing soria in there too.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Yeah right. All 3 of those prospects are over hyped.

I got a chance to see Drabek pitch a ton for the Fisher Cats this year. His stats are better than he is.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Yeah right. All 3 of those prospects are over hyped.

I got a chance to see Drabek pitch a ton for the Fisher Cats this year. His stats are better than he is.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Yeah right. All 3 of those prospects are over hyped.

I got a chance to see Drabek pitch a ton for the Fisher Cats this year. His stats are better than he is.

TdotsFinest
4 years 8 months ago

oh my god! for that package from the jays then u better be throwing soria in there too.

TdotsFinest
4 years 8 months ago

oh my god! for that package from the jays then u better be throwing soria in there too.

NYBravosFan10
4 years 8 months ago

i love it when you do this lol

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

I love doing it! Haha. Expect to see it a lot more.

Guest
4 years 8 months ago

ok everyone, now people are just overdoing it. a few people saying things is one thing, but after 12 people make the exact same comment, it starts getting ridiculous.

4 years 8 months ago

dude..this has got to be about the 5th different package you have said that the Rangers would trade..calm down

4 years 8 months ago

dude..this has got to be about the 5th different package you have said that the Rangers would trade..calm down

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Final offer, Holland/Beltre/Profar

4 years 8 months ago

sounds good to me, much better than Perez/Schep plus Beltre plus ect

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

I think whatever happens Perez stays in Texas simply because the Royals wouldn’t do anything with him. Their system is stocked with lefties. Holland on the other hand is a Major Leaguer.

HerbertAnchovy
4 years 8 months ago

Greinke isn’t that valuable to The Jays, and I really can’t see them getting rid of Gose in that package considering they apparently covet him so much.

eviola1
4 years 8 months ago

Gose is the one you can’t see them giving up in that package!? Drabek and Snider fine. But you want GOSE!? NO DEAL! LOL

HerbertAnchovy
4 years 8 months ago

No, you obviously missed my point.

I can’t really see them giving up Snider, Drabek and Gose together at all. After trading Halladay for Drabek/D’Arnaud/Taylor, then flipping Taylor to The A’s for Wallace, then Wallace for Gose, I just can’t see that they’d trade him after (like I said) coveting him to that much and working that hard to acquire him.

johnsmith4
4 years 8 months ago

It really depends on how you see Greinke compared to Halladay. If you think Greinke is better…a package with Drabek, Gose, + doesn’t seem ridiculous. Greinke was the Cy Young at age 25 plus started MLB at age 20. Drabek simply can’t compare.

The big issue with Greinke is his inconsistency. A wild card. You can easily get burnt by him.

When you look back at Halladay’s career from ages21 to 27, you can see a strong similarity to Greinke. A big drop off year after winning the Cy Young at age 26.

Although I was initially aghast by SPANdemonium’s suggestion, I do see a lot of merit to it.

HerbertAnchovy
4 years 8 months ago

Greinke isn’t that valuable to The Jays, and I really can’t see them getting rid of Gose in that package considering they apparently covet him so much.

lipchitz
4 years 8 months ago

“Blue Jays: Kyle Drabek, Travis Snider, Anthony Gose, and Matt Daly”

That’s more then the Jays got for Halladay no way they give up close to that
Drabek isn’t going anywhere either and if they give up anyone on their major league roster it definitely isn’t Snider. Plus Anthopolous gave up Brett Wallace because he liked Gose so much, I doubt he’s included as well.

I think more realistically the trade would have to start with Marcum, and Zach Stewart. It would probably take a couple more players to get the deal done. Perhaps Jake Marisnick and JP Arencibia?

What do you KC fans think? Is Marcum, Stewart, Marisnick and JP Arencibia enough?

As a Blue Jays fan I personally think it might be a little much only because we are still a couple years from being real contenders…

lipchitz
4 years 8 months ago

“Blue Jays: Kyle Drabek, Travis Snider, Anthony Gose, and Matt Daly”

That’s more then the Jays got for Halladay no way they give up close to that
Drabek isn’t going anywhere either and if they give up anyone on their major league roster it definitely isn’t Snider. Plus Anthopolous gave up Brett Wallace because he liked Gose so much, I doubt he’s included as well.

I think more realistically the trade would have to start with Marcum, and Zach Stewart. It would probably take a couple more players to get the deal done. Perhaps Jake Marisnick and JP Arencibia?

What do you KC fans think? Is Marcum, Stewart, Marisnick and JP Arencibia enough?

As a Blue Jays fan I personally think it might be a little much only because we are still a couple years from being real contenders…

tdot32
4 years 8 months ago

are you crazy? you go from 4 top prospects for some teams to colby rasmus staight up? that deal wouldn’t even go down in 2k10 man you’re nuts.

Guest
4 years 8 months ago

yo calm down. he is entitled to his opinion. and also, you must be crazy if you that the deal wouldnt go down on 2k10, i just tried it and it did. check and mate.

tdot32
4 years 8 months ago

A. Fine, it’s my opinion he’s crazy and I’m entitled to it :) and B. You went and checked to see if it’d go down? You’re prolly more amped up than me now.

Guest
4 years 8 months ago

well that and im sitting in front of my ps3 with a laptop right now.

tdot32
4 years 8 months ago

well there you go. I don’t give it, I’m just pointing out that SPANdemonium has too much of a gap in talent in each of his evaluations. I was also kind of hoping rasmus wouldn’t be rated as high as greinke so my analogy would make more sense >_<

4 years 8 months ago

I think you are WAYYYY over stating Grienke’s current value. Zack begins making $13.5M this year, unless he posts better than the Joe Blanton-esque season that he posted in 2010, I don’t think any of those packages would be realistic. The teams giving up the prospects would be FAR over paying.While he was still better than average in 2010, the Royals would be wise in this case to showcase Grienke this year and move him at the deadline. If he can post a 3 or so WAR going into the deadline, they can make the case that 2010 was an aberration and that he really is the pitcher we saw in 2008 and 2009. Moving him now would be selling low.
These are the type of packages that would be realistic for Justin Upton. 21 years old, under a VERY team friendly contract, and 5 years away from free agency. For Grienke all of these packages are too much.

twentyfivemanroster
4 years 8 months ago

Braves should include Teheran

moonraker45
4 years 8 months ago

span…. Travis Snider Anthony Gose, Kyle Drabek and Matt Daly for 2 years of Grienke…??

Did you break in to your parents liquor cabinet tonight??? That is actually the most absurd trade proposal I’ve ever heard

blurnandez
4 years 8 months ago

edit: I have edited out my outrage at a certain ludicrous post, in order for there not to be too much repetition in the comments.

Steve_in_MA
4 years 8 months ago

Span, and anyone else who wants to chime in, what are your thoughts on this offer from the BoSox:

Dice-K + $5MM Cash;
Felix Doubrount;
Stolmy Pimentel; and
Drake Britton.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Wouldn’t get it done in my opinion

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Wouldn’t get it done in my opinion

raiders55
4 years 8 months ago

i heard the royals are condsireding trading grenkie to the brewers for ryan braun and another prospect?

4 years 8 months ago

Error was caught and fixed, feel free to get back to commenting on the topic at hand!

BravesRed
4 years 8 months ago

There’s an error in Mike’s post. He put the Braves.

4 years 8 months ago

It’s happened a whole lot lately, though. Sorry, Tim, I know it’s a busy season for you all but you guys have been getting sloppy these days.

pastlives
4 years 8 months ago

cry about it

Guest
4 years 8 months ago

hey, dont talk to carl pavano like that lol

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 8 months ago

The fact that Carl Pavano actually liked pastlives response gave me a laugh.

Guest
4 years 8 months ago

hey, dont talk to carl pavano like that lol

Guest
4 years 8 months ago

hey, dont talk to carl pavano like that lol

4 years 8 months ago

When are you planning on signing with the Twins?? We need you Pav.

4 years 8 months ago

“Giants Still Showing Interest in Zito” would have been funnier.

shockey12
4 years 8 months ago

The Jays are not one piece away…if AA goes all in way too early then it might be the major downfall of his fm career…he’s made some very good moves since becoming GM but jumping the gun and selling the farm before the team is ready to compete could have fans calling for his head

TXHC
4 years 8 months ago

Rightfully so. The Jays shouldn’t get in on Greinke, they’re not quite ready in my opinion.

Sniderlover
4 years 8 months ago

I agree with the second part but I wouldn’t mind if they traded for Grienke depending on what is being traded. If it’s a fair offer and not something like Drabek+Snider then I’d be fine with it. We could use a legit ace pitcher and I believe Jays can convince Grienke to re-sign if we did get him.

pastlives
4 years 8 months ago

i’m a Jays fan and they’re definitely a solid team but they’re realistically probably 3 big pieces away from making a run – 1 elite bat, a shutdown starter, and a go-to guy in the pen at LEAST

slider32
4 years 8 months ago

So go out and get them. Grienke, Manny, Guerrier, and they still could get a power bat at 1b-3b. Sometimes these teams look to the future too much.

pastlives
4 years 8 months ago

fair enough but let’s remember there’s undeniably a number of question marks even with those 3 in the fold, and guerrier isn’t the kind of reliever i’m talking about.

slider32
4 years 8 months ago

How about substituting Heath Bell for Guerrier.

4 years 8 months ago

riccardi’s main fault as gm was always mis-evaluating when the time was right to make a push for a WS. so many times the jays would win 85 games he would sign someone like burnett or ryan or overbay and the next season we’d still miss the playoffs.

AA has said before that its not as simple as adding players A, B, and C and automatically getting 10 more wins. grienke is kind of a win now and a win tmrw kind of player, so its within the realm of possibility that the jays could deal for him, i just hope they dont give up too much

shockey12
4 years 8 months ago

To be fair Ryan, Burnett and Overbay were all in one offseason so really he only did it once…

deere5800
4 years 8 months ago

Yeah, I’m not sure where Elliot is getting that. Anything I’ve heard is that they’re taking things slowly and won’t get in the “just one piece away” frameset

deere5800
4 years 8 months ago

Yeah, I’m not sure where Elliot is getting that. Anything I’ve heard is that they’re taking things slowly and won’t get in the “just one piece away” frameset

shockey12
4 years 8 months ago

AND more batters who can get on base AND more speed on the bases AND a few good bullpen pieces AND a solid ace

slider32
4 years 8 months ago

OK, I agree, but what I an saying is you can’t have a 5 year plan.

slider32
4 years 8 months ago

OK, I agree, but what I an saying is you can’t have a 5 year plan.

4 years 8 months ago

If the Braves were to make a play at Greinke, I’d imagine the Royals would be asking for 2 out of Jurrjens/Hanson/Teheran/Delgado. I doubt the Braves trade any of them. But, if the
Royals would take Jurrjens/Delgado plus maybe two other guys like Jordan Schafer and Ezekial Spruill I’d do it.

dandretti
4 years 8 months ago

I know the Royals probably wouldn’t do it unless Teheran was involved but it would be amazing to send JJ + Delgado/Arodys and a couple other pieces to make that happen. He said he wants to play for a winner, and Atlanta is a great environment for pitchers. He wouldn’t have the pressure of needing to be the ace of the staff getting him all antsy in his pantsy either.

4 years 8 months ago

Well, we do have the Drayton Moore/Atlanta connection working in our favor. In the past we’ve offered lackluster packages and gotten the players we wanted. I’m not saying we’ll offer complete crap, but I get the feeling Wren could talk Teheran away from Moore. I’d love to have Greinke in Atlanta.

dandretti
4 years 8 months ago

Wren has been working some magic this winter.

4 years 8 months ago

Yes, he has. The Uggla trade was genius. If we had Uggla and Greinke this winter and do nothing else, I’d be satisfied. Maybe add another bullpen arm with Linebrink.

slider32
4 years 8 months ago

Hold on a minute, Uggla is a great hitter, but I’m sure the pitchers aren’t happy, he is a butcher on defense. I think making the playoffs have made you complacent.

slider32
4 years 8 months ago

Hold on a minute, Uggla is a great hitter, but I’m sure the pitchers aren’t happy, he is a butcher on defense. I think making the playoffs have made you complacent.

slider32
4 years 8 months ago

Hold on a minute, Uggla is a great hitter, but I’m sure the pitchers aren’t happy, he is a butcher on defense. I think making the playoffs have made you complacent.

4 years 8 months ago

Not complacent at all. I realize the woes of bad defense(see Conrad, Brooks) all too well. But, we’re an offense severely lacking in power. Uggla is probably the best pure power hitting 2B in the MLB right now. We flipped an Omar Infante coming off a career year and a left handed reliever for him. I’ll take it.

grownice
4 years 8 months ago

utley, cano, hill, kinsler……

4 years 8 months ago

cano was the only one of those 4 that put up a higher slugging % and OPS

grownice
4 years 8 months ago

are you only looking at 1 year?

grownice
4 years 8 months ago

utley, cano, hill, kinsler……

grownice
4 years 8 months ago

utley, cano, hill, kinsler……

4 years 8 months ago

Not complacent at all. I realize the woes of bad defense(see Conrad, Brooks) all too well. But, we’re an offense severely lacking in power. Uggla is probably the best pure power hitting 2B in the MLB right now. We flipped an Omar Infante coming off a career year and a left handed reliever for him. I’ll take it.

4 years 8 months ago

Not complacent at all. I realize the woes of bad defense(see Conrad, Brooks) all too well. But, we’re an offense severely lacking in power. Uggla is probably the best pure power hitting 2B in the MLB right now. We flipped an Omar Infante coming off a career year and a left handed reliever for him. I’ll take it.

NL_East_Rivalry
4 years 8 months ago

The pitchers will be happier since there’s a lot more offense to work with.

Ferrariman
4 years 8 months ago

i don’t know if i would do Hanson straight up for Grienke.

4 years 8 months ago

Neither would I. I’m just saying what the Royals are looking for. They want two ace potential pitchers. We just happen to have 4.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

In my opinion, Hanson and Teheran are untouchable…

And I still don’t get how people think Jurrjens has that kind of trade value, he does not at all…He’s not only had some real injury problems lately, but he doesnt have good stuff, he doesn’t miss bats, and he’s going to be heading in to arbitration…Mike Minor and Randall Delgado would be the centerpieces.

4 years 8 months ago

Braves don’t have hardly any cash left to spend, they would have to move Lowe in order to trade for Greinke. Plus, the Braves really don’t need him, especially at the expense of two of the Braves top pitching prospects(one of them who’s set to be in the rotation next year). I’m not sure two years of a guy the team doesn’t exactly need would be worth shipping off what Moore would be asking for.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Again, Elliot provided some of the teams, I provided the offers, and if they did have the money, the price will be steep.

dandretti
4 years 8 months ago

I always forget about the cash. Good point. Even if/when we dump half of KK’s salary Wren would have to beg for more payroll. Although, I think trading prospects for someone like Greinke is almost always a good thing. But what do I know…

dandretti
4 years 8 months ago

I always forget about the cash. Good point. Even if/when we dump half of KK’s salary Wren would have to beg for more payroll. Although, I think trading prospects for someone like Greinke is almost always a good thing. But what do I know…

Brad426
4 years 8 months ago

Agreed. If I were Wren I’d be willing to part with say Minor and Delgado plus some lesser prospects, but Greinke makes too much for this rumor to have any legs.

4 years 8 months ago

Braves don’t have hardly any cash left to spend, they would have to move Lowe in order to trade for Greinke. Plus, the Braves really don’t need him, especially at the expense of two of the Braves top pitching prospects(one of them who’s set to be in the rotation next year). I’m not sure two years of a guy the team doesn’t exactly need would be worth shipping off what Moore would be asking for.

4 years 8 months ago

Braves don’t have hardly any cash left to spend, they would have to move Lowe in order to trade for Greinke. Plus, the Braves really don’t need him, especially at the expense of two of the Braves top pitching prospects(one of them who’s set to be in the rotation next year). I’m not sure two years of a guy the team doesn’t exactly need would be worth shipping off what Moore would be asking for.

slider32
4 years 8 months ago

I think Kimbrell, Visciano, and Freeman would get the trade done.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Too much in my opinion. I think at this point Kimbrel is untouchable. And the Royals wouldn’t want Freeman because they have Hosmer and Butler. I still think Minor and Delgado plus, would get it done.

4 years 8 months ago

I’d be comfortable dealing Minor and Delgado for Greinke. Braves have a plethora of good pitching prospects. Pretty soon a few of them are going to have to be flipped for talent. Now’s as good a time as any.

4 years 8 months ago

I’d be comfortable dealing Minor and Delgado for Greinke. Braves have a plethora of good pitching prospects. Pretty soon a few of them are going to have to be flipped for talent. Now’s as good a time as any.

slider32
4 years 8 months ago

Good point, I think your right!

Brad426
4 years 8 months ago

Freeman is penciled in as the starting 1B with no real other option. No way the Braves would trade him.

NYBravosFan10
4 years 8 months ago

If Frank Wren did that I’d personally make sure his wife leaves him and takes the kids

dandretti
4 years 8 months ago

You’re right about JJ. Minor and R. Delgado ++ would be good for both clubs, still. There just doesn’t seem to be any way the Braves can play all those pitchers.

dandretti
4 years 8 months ago

You’re right about JJ. Minor and R. Delgado ++ would be good for both clubs, still. There just doesn’t seem to be any way the Braves can play all those pitchers.

dandretti
4 years 8 months ago

You’re right about JJ. Minor and R. Delgado ++ would be good for both clubs, still. There just doesn’t seem to be any way the Braves can play all those pitchers.

eviola1
4 years 8 months ago

Not sure why the Braves are being brought into the conversation, but okay.

Brad426
4 years 8 months ago

I bet it was on account of the post saying the Braves were one of the teams that had inquired.

InLeylandWeTrust
4 years 8 months ago

Yes, my search was complete. Since you are the biggest Jay’s troll on this forum, I knew I could find some posts from you saying how rediculous it is for another team to be “brought into the conversation” like Toronto has him all but locked up. How did that Uggla situation work out?

NYBravosFan10
4 years 8 months ago

it’s somewhat of a trend with fans of the Jays…and I thought everyone from Canada was a nice person

Sniderlover
4 years 8 months ago

Well at least you’re not classifying us.

Yeah Jays fans are horrible unlike any other fans. You should stop reading their opinions.

HerbertAnchovy
4 years 8 months ago

Generalizing a team’s entire fanbase like that is ridiculous. Just because some fans might troll and have stupid opinions doesn’t mean that all of us do. Bringing Canada into it at all is questionable as well. Have some tact.

NYBravosFan10
4 years 8 months ago

1) I meant Jays fans on this website. There are some of you that I’ve heard lots of nasty comments from.

2)The Canada thing was a joke, no civilized human being would make that sortof generalization and be serious about it. In case you haven’t noticed, one of the running innocent jokes about canadiens is that they’re all really nice and polite person. So if joking about you being nice as a population offended you then I apologize.

HerbertAnchovy
4 years 8 months ago

No, I’m not offended. I’m a Jays fan first, but I love the MLB and I watch and like players on every team. I don’t make nasty comments, and am frequently on this site. I’m embarassed by the fans that do that make people think that all our fanbase is that ignorant.

NYBravosFan10
4 years 8 months ago

Teheran and Hanson are 100% untouchable and with Frank Wren being the trade bandit that he is he’s not going to let anyone take them. I think Delgado would be the center of any deal though

scottyballgame
4 years 8 months ago

As a KC fan I agree that Teheran and Hanson wouldn’t be moved in a Greinke trade. I think a deal could be made around Delgado + Minor + a lower level arm like Kent. Those are prospects #3,4,17, on Sickles 2011 list. That would give ATL a rotation of Hanson, Hudson, Lowe, Jurrjens, and Greinke, with Beachy in case of an injury. It also leaves ATL with Teheran, Vizcaino, Kimbrel, and Freeman at the top end of the prospects. Greinke prefers to play in the NL, and ATL was the team he followed growing up, so I’m sure they’d get him to OK a trade and an extension.

As far as the Toronto discussion above….I don’t think KC would be looking at Snider, but Drabek I’m sure would be who they are asking for. My feeling is Drabek, a catching prospect, and maybe Thames OR Rzepc? That leaves TOR with a rotation of Marcum, Romero, Morrow, Cecil, and Greinke.

Who knows….but I personally think KC would have more interest in players from ATL or TOR, then TEX or NYY.

NYBravosFan10
4 years 8 months ago

Greinke wants to play on a (italics) winning team, so knock Toronto out of that one

4 years 8 months ago

They were a “winning team” last year. Presumably Greinke would make them better as well. But I guess you might not know that.

Wilsonl
4 years 8 months ago

Hmmmmmmmmm.

Ferrariman
4 years 8 months ago

one more big piece huh? How about Fielder, he is pretty big.

EarlyMorningBoxscore
4 years 8 months ago

Forget a piece………he’s big enough to count as the whole puzzle..

NYBravosFan10
4 years 8 months ago

booyah

shockey12
4 years 8 months ago

I think they mean “impact big” not waist size…

Prince is a good hitter but it’s generally accepted that he’s not going to age well…I would pass even though he’s one of the top jitters in the game

Ferrariman
4 years 8 months ago

WHOOOOSH

pastlives
4 years 8 months ago

ahahaha

EarlyMorningBoxscore
4 years 8 months ago

my thoughts exactly.

Sixto_Lezcano
4 years 8 months ago

“Generally accepted” by uninformed MLBTR users?

Prince has proven that he is one of the most durable players in the game, he is still very young, and his skill-set is one that ages well. But hey, if you don’t want him, I’m sure Lyle Overbay would love to come back for another season at 1B. Go for it!

Sixto_Lezcano
4 years 8 months ago

“Generally accepted” by uninformed MLBTR users?

Prince has proven that he is one of the most durable players in the game, he is still very young, and his skill-set is one that ages well. But hey, if you don’t want him, I’m sure Lyle Overbay would love to come back for another season at 1B. Go for it!

Sixto_Lezcano
4 years 8 months ago

“Generally accepted” by uninformed MLBTR users?

Prince has proven that he is one of the most durable players in the game, he is still very young, and his skill-set is one that ages well. But hey, if you don’t want him, I’m sure Lyle Overbay would love to come back for another season at 1B. Go for it!

Sam_Lee
4 years 8 months ago

“Generally accepted” by blog posters? Golly.

Sam_Lee
4 years 8 months ago

“Generally accepted” by blog posters? Golly.

Sam_Lee
4 years 8 months ago

“Generally accepted” by blog posters? Golly.

sweetcaroline2011
4 years 8 months ago

Are you kidding me??? Make a run at the al east title? LOL. What a joke!!!! How bout the fact that the sox just got gonzalez and are making a run at werth or crawford. How bout thinking about that.

eviola1
4 years 8 months ago

Another narrow-minded Red Sox fan showing his colours. You got Gonzalez but you lose Beltre. Tell me how there was a gain there. Tell me how the Red Sox starting rotation would be better than the Jays if they got Greinke. Tell me how in a rebuilding year, the Jays were only 4 games back of Boston at the end of the year even considering the Red Sox’s injuries.

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 8 months ago

calm down man.. you’re like the biggest jay homer ever… other than trueblue

eviola1
4 years 8 months ago

But you’re acting like it’s way outside the realm of possibility. And you’re making it seem that it’s only the Red Sox and the Blue Jays in the AL East and there’s only one spot. You’re argument was that because the Red Sox got AGon the Jays aren’t going to be able to make a run at the division. Do you know how moronic that is?

4 years 8 months ago

lost martinez too

eviola1
4 years 8 months ago

Another narrow-minded Red Sox fan showing his colours. You got Gonzalez but you lose Beltre. Tell me how there was a gain there. Tell me how the Red Sox starting rotation would be better than the Jays if they got Greinke. Tell me how in a rebuilding year, the Jays were only 4 games back of Boston at the end of the year even considering the Red Sox’s injuries.

eviola1
4 years 8 months ago

And you’re not taking into consideration the Rays falling back and the Yankees taking a step back (if they don’t get Lee).

eviola1
4 years 8 months ago

Turns out the Sox didn’t just get gonzalez either. LMAO

Josh Stuart
4 years 8 months ago

Ya, I love my Jays but it’s pretty hard to say your ‘one piece’ short when you don’t have anyone to play 3rd or 1st next season. Let alone some awesome.

4 years 8 months ago

What would it take, Romero + Snider?

Romero, JPA, Stewart…?

lazerball
4 years 8 months ago

I’m thinking less major league talent and more farm talent. The entire reason the royals are looking to trade greinke (and that greinke is looking to get traded) is because they don’t feel they’ll be competitive for at least another three or four years after all. Plus they’ll probably want more in the way of players who will be ready to come up with the rest of the young studs they have on the farm for that reason. I don’t think any prospect can be considered off limits when looking at a prime talent like Greinke, but at the same time don’t see the organization trading Drabek or any of the young major league talent they currently have; with the possible exception of a mid-rotation type like brett cecil perhaps if they can help to anchor a deal.

I also wish people would stop suggesting JPA in every single trade idea like he’s some sort of sacrificial lamb.

lazerball
4 years 8 months ago

I’m thinking less major league talent and more farm talent. The entire reason the royals are looking to trade greinke (and that greinke is looking to get traded) is because they don’t feel they’ll be competitive for at least another three or four years after all. Plus they’ll probably want more in the way of players who will be ready to come up with the rest of the young studs they have on the farm for that reason. I don’t think any prospect can be considered off limits when looking at a prime talent like Greinke, but at the same time don’t see the organization trading Drabek or any of the young major league talent they currently have; with the possible exception of a mid-rotation type like brett cecil perhaps if they can help to anchor a deal.

I also wish people would stop suggesting JPA in every single trade idea like he’s some sort of sacrificial lamb.

lazerball
4 years 8 months ago

I’m thinking less major league talent and more farm talent. The entire reason the royals are looking to trade greinke (and that greinke is looking to get traded) is because they don’t feel they’ll be competitive for at least another three or four years after all. Plus they’ll probably want more in the way of players who will be ready to come up with the rest of the young studs they have on the farm for that reason. I don’t think any prospect can be considered off limits when looking at a prime talent like Greinke, but at the same time don’t see the organization trading Drabek or any of the young major league talent they currently have; with the possible exception of a mid-rotation type like brett cecil perhaps if they can help to anchor a deal.

I also wish people would stop suggesting JPA in every single trade idea like he’s some sort of sacrificial lamb.

4 years 8 months ago

they just locked up romero to a long term deal…can’t see them trading him…i bet we’ll see drabek, marcum or morrow get dealt before romero…

drabek, JPA, rzep for greinke…then trade stewart & other for reynolds to play 3rd …sign russel martin and Manny…move lind to 1st

lazerball
4 years 8 months ago

I wonder how much interest my fellow jays fans would have in Martin if he wasn’t Canadian.

4 years 8 months ago

just saying JPA is an unproven commodity who’s stock may never be higher… and martin is a 2 time all-star who’s stock may never be lower and happens to be a surprise free agent who actually wants to play on the east cost…or sign miguel olivo…but something is telling me, the jays aren’t sold on JPA, for the same reason they dealt wallace

lazerball
4 years 8 months ago

What is telling you that the jays aren’t sold on JPA? The fact that every jays fan seems eager to unload him in every trade idea because he had a bad 20 at bats in september?

lazerball
4 years 8 months ago

Also, every player can always potentially never have their stock higher than it currently is. That’s a piss poor reason for wanting to unload a major league ready catching prospect. Should every player coming off a good year be traded for the same reason? If not, why single out JPA? Because he’s blocking an injury prone Canadian from joining the team?

lazerball
4 years 8 months ago

Also, every player can always potentially never have their stock higher than it currently is. That’s a piss poor reason for wanting to unload a major league ready catching prospect. Should every player coming off a good year be traded for the same reason? If not, why single out JPA? Because he’s blocking an injury prone Canadian from joining the team?

4 years 8 months ago

I’m not saying give away JPA…i’m saying trade him for greinke

4 years 8 months ago

our discussion got me searching…kinda intersting…:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/when-we-learn-something-about-a-prospect/

djfanon
4 years 8 months ago

The flaw in that is, the entire fg article is based off the premise that rumors for pierzynski were real.

4 years 8 months ago

the fact that did only get 20 ABs in september says something. the fact that the jays were linked to olivio, buck, pierzynski andrumors about russell kinda stokes the fire…and just a week or so ago, when asked about the catching position specifically, AA said, “When you have a chance to upgrade and a chance to solidify and improve yourself, you continue to do it.”…i really think that says veteran catcher…but we’ll see

lazerball
4 years 8 months ago

“the fact that did only get 20 ABs in september says something. ”

It does, but not what you’re implying. The only person it says anything about is Cito Gaston, and his desire to get John Buck a big contract.

And getting a veteran catcher who can’t hit in no way screams improvement. AA stated that he was still interested in Buck and Olivo because, well, you sort of can’t say otherwise about a player you’re offering arbitration. The AJP rumours were confirmed to be nonsense. The rumours around Martin are at this point entirely the product of people who think the jays roster should consist entirely of Canadians, as opposed to anything even masquerading as official. There is really no reason to think the organization is down on JP.

4 years 8 months ago

until they trade him :)

lazerball
4 years 8 months ago

You seem pretty confident about this for no particular reason.

4 years 8 months ago

true

lazerball
4 years 8 months ago

What is telling you that the jays aren’t sold on JPA? The fact that every jays fan seems eager to unload him in every trade idea because he had a bad 20 at bats in september?

4 years 8 months ago

just saying JPA is an unproven commodity who’s stock may never be higher… and martin is a 2 time all-star who’s stock may never be lower and happens to be a surprise free agent who actually wants to play on the east cost…or sign miguel olivo…but something is telling me, the jays aren’t sold on JPA, for the same reason they dealt wallace

4 years 8 months ago

they just locked up romero to a long term deal…can’t see them trading him…i bet we’ll see drabek, marcum or morrow get dealt before romero…

drabek, JPA, rzep for greinke…then trade stewart & other for reynolds to play 3rd …sign russel martin and Manny…move lind to 1st

Sniderlover
4 years 8 months ago

Please explain why Romero would be included at all and why Grienke is such a big upgrade over Romero.

j6takish
4 years 8 months ago

I agree, the sky’s pretty much the limit with Romero, and you pretty much know what you are getting with Zach

eviola1
4 years 8 months ago

Romero? LOL

lipchitz
4 years 8 months ago

I don’t think Romero is included at all he’s the Jays best pitcher and fairly cheap for what 4 more seasons?

From the major league roster Cecil and Marcum might be given up, no way Romero or Morrow are included

4 years 8 months ago

Did anybody listen to AA on the FAN590 yesterday? Go check it out on their website (on demand). He basically says that all these Jays rumours this year are complete nonsense and that he’s getting annoyed by them. Coming from him, that’s a lot because he basically says NOTHING.

gs01
4 years 8 months ago

Anybody ever think that the media might be ticked at AA cause he never gives them anything, I mean he can’t just keep saying “no comment” on everything. The guys in the media need information to do their job and AA just doesn’t seem like he wants to talk about anything.

Cody
4 years 8 months ago

The Braves would never give up Hanson. I like him more Grenk.

Cody
4 years 8 months ago

The Braves would never give up Hanson. I like him more Grenk.

4 years 8 months ago

If it requires Drabek then no way. I’d let Stewart headline the package with Gose, Sierra and one more piece. If it’s more than that the Jays should hold. Clean up the pen, add some pop from DH and find a 3b. Next year is more realistic for them. Be patient with some of these guys.

4 years 8 months ago

If it requires Drabek then no way. I’d let Stewart headline the package with Gose, Sierra and one more piece. If it’s more than that the Jays should hold. Clean up the pen, add some pop from DH and find a 3b. Next year is more realistic for them. Be patient with some of these guys.

4 years 8 months ago

If it requires Drabek then no way. I’d let Stewart headline the package with Gose, Sierra and one more piece. If it’s more than that the Jays should hold. Clean up the pen, add some pop from DH and find a 3b. Next year is more realistic for them. Be patient with some of these guys.

Big_jays_fan
4 years 8 months ago

buh this is from a respected baseball writer in toronto, the guy usually write when he has some inside scoop on things

And one more thing to note he wrote this from the florida .. and AA said he will be there a day earlier ..so maybe there is something going on

But anything that involves Snider is off for me

Maybe this will get it done

1. Drabek
2. JP Arencibia
3. Eric Thames
4. Jake Morisink

For Grienke + contract extension as well .. cuz i donno wanna give up prospects for only 2 yrs of control

maybe a 5 yr / 70 million extension

4 years 8 months ago

With a surplus of outfielders, I’d rather trade Snider before giving Drabek away… if I was AA Drabek would be untouchable.

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 8 months ago

if Greinke comes, theres no spot for Drabek anyways

4 years 8 months ago

With a surplus of outfielders, I’d rather trade Snider before giving Drabek away… if I was AA Drabek would be untouchable.

dizzle4
4 years 8 months ago

I’d be okay with that deal if a contract extension is involved. If not, I’d still probably trade Drabek/Arencibia/Thames.

Big_jays_fan
4 years 8 months ago

buh this is from a respected baseball writer in toronto, the guy usually write when he has some inside scoop on things

And one more thing to note he wrote this from the florida .. and AA said he will be there a day earlier ..so maybe there is something going on

But anything that involves Snider is off for me

Maybe this will get it done

1. Drabek
2. JP Arencibia
3. Eric Thames
4. Jake Morisink

For Grienke + contract extension as well .. cuz i donno wanna give up prospects for only 2 yrs of control

maybe a 5 yr / 70 million extension

Big_jays_fan
4 years 8 months ago

buh this is from a respected baseball writer in toronto, the guy usually write when he has some inside scoop on things

And one more thing to note he wrote this from the florida .. and AA said he will be there a day earlier ..so maybe there is something going on

But anything that involves Snider is off for me

Maybe this will get it done

1. Drabek
2. JP Arencibia
3. Eric Thames
4. Jake Morisink

For Grienke + contract extension as well .. cuz i donno wanna give up prospects for only 2 yrs of control

maybe a 5 yr / 70 million extension

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 8 months ago

If they want Drabek or Snider, I’d hang up the phone. Greinke is a flash in the pan so far, not a top 5 pitcher in the MLB.

vtadave
4 years 8 months ago

Not sure anyone said he was top-five, but I’d say he’s top-15 at this point.

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 8 months ago

I don’t think anyone has either, but I wouldn’t offer either one of the 2 players I mentioned unless the pitcher was top 5. Top 15 sounds fair, but he’d be around 12-15.

He’s a feel good story, but is a #2-3 starter on most rotations until he can replicate his 2009 season.

vtadave
4 years 8 months ago

Greinke did rank 11th in baseball last year with a 5.2 WAR, so saying he’s a #2 or #3 is a bit of a stretch don’t you think? There are probably 15-20 teams for which he’d be the Opening Day starter.

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 8 months ago

I don’t think anyone has either, but I wouldn’t offer either one of the 2 players I mentioned unless the pitcher was top 5. Top 15 sounds fair, but he’d be around 12-15.

He’s a feel good story, but is a #2-3 starter on most rotations until he can replicate his 2009 season.

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 8 months ago

I don’t think anyone has either, but I wouldn’t offer either one of the 2 players I mentioned unless the pitcher was top 5. Top 15 sounds fair, but he’d be around 12-15.

He’s a feel good story, but is a #2-3 starter on most rotations until he can replicate his 2009 season.

vtadave
4 years 8 months ago

Not sure anyone said he was top-five, but I’d say he’s top-15 at this point.

vtadave
4 years 8 months ago

Not sure anyone said he was top-five, but I’d say he’s top-15 at this point.

Sniderlover
4 years 8 months ago

I think asking for Drabek ++ is fair but I wouldn’t trade Snider at this point. I think a package mostly full of pitchers would intrigue Royals.

Drabek + Jenkins/Alvarez + Marisnick is what I’d offer.

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 8 months ago

I’d rather offer Stewart, Marisnick, d’Arnaud +

I think that’d get it done if the Jays don’t ask for an extension window.

Sniderlover
4 years 8 months ago

I don’t think that’s a bad offer but I think they would want a bluechipper coming back and I wouldn’t classify Stewart as a bluechipper. I guess it depends on what they want, if they want a few good prospects than that’s a good offer… but if they want a really good/bluechipper prospect + mid-to-lower level prospects than Drabek would need to be included.

I could live with including Drabek++ for Grienke.

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 8 months ago

Maybe the Jays could add McGuire as a PTBNL. I believe I read somewhere that a PTBNL has to be chosen in 6 months, so it could fall under the rules of draftees.

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 8 months ago

I’d rather offer Stewart, Marisnick, d’Arnaud +

I think that’d get it done if the Jays don’t ask for an extension window.

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 8 months ago

I’d rather offer Stewart, Marisnick, d’Arnaud +

I think that’d get it done if the Jays don’t ask for an extension window.

Sniderlover
4 years 8 months ago

I think asking for Drabek ++ is fair but I wouldn’t trade Snider at this point. I think a package mostly full of pitchers would intrigue Royals.

Drabek + Jenkins/Alvarez + Marisnick is what I’d offer.