Quick Hits: Moyer, Darvish, Yankees, Tigers

Congratulations to the 2011 Gold Glove winners. Here are some notes from around MLB…

  • Brandon Phillips ($250K), Adrian Beltre ($100K) and Adrian Gonzalez ($100K) were among the winners to obtain bonuses for their fielding excellence, according to the AP (via SI.com).
  • Jamie Moyer threw for scouts last Thursday, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (on Twitter). Reports on the left-hander, who’s nearly a year removed from Tommy John surgery, are excellent.
  • Patrick Newman of FanGraphs explains what you need to know about Yu Darvish, the Japanese starter who could be posted this offseason.
  • Dave Cameron of FanGraphs makes the case that teams should treat Darvish as a super two player by guaranteeing him two or three years at an average annual value of approximately $10MM.
  • Jim Margalus of South Side Sox isn't thrilled that the White Sox exercised Jason Frasor’s 3.75MM option and explains what the decision means for Chicago. 
  • The Yankees expect to be heavily involved in trade talks this offseason because they have prospects to trade and are willing to deal pitching, according to ESPN.com's Buster Olney (on Twitter). 
  • Tigers GM Dave Dombrowski told reporters, including MLB.com's Jason Beck, that he'd like to re-sign free agent infielder Ramon Santiago. Though the Tigers like Santiago, they don't see him as an everyday solution.
  • Phillies GM Ruben Amaro Jr. says he’d like to re-sign free agents Ryan Madson and Jimmy Rollins if possible, according to Bob Brookover of the Philadelphia Inquirer. "We've had discussions with the agents of both players," Amaro said.
  • Marlins president of baseball operations Larry Beinfest repeated that he can consider major expenditures this offseason, according to Joe Frisaro of MLB.com.


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85 Comments on "Quick Hits: Moyer, Darvish, Yankees, Tigers"


CaseyBlakeDeWitt
3 years 8 months ago

Andre Ethier won a gold glove… What just happened?

3 years 8 months ago

At least Parra won cause he was clearly the best outfielder in the National League

3 years 8 months ago

hey at least no yankee won

MetsMagic
3 years 8 months ago

They give it to Jeter every year, even though it’s well accepted that he’s horrible at shortstop, but when they finally have a player that DOES deserve it, Gardner, he doesn’t get it. I don’t get it. 

Lunchbox45
3 years 8 months ago

that’s sort of ironic 

0bsessions
3 years 8 months ago

Last year, Gardner topped the MLB in UZR (And won the Fielding Bible award for left field) and doesn’t get a Gold Glove, but Teixeira (Second in fielding bible vote), Cano (Fourth) and Jeter (Not a single vote) all managed to get one with a negative UZR.

Honestly, this year’s got some flubs, but it’s not quite as obviously at odds with reality as previous years. Five of the nine fielding bible winners got a GG (With the AL winner ranking second for first base, so it’s not that far off there. The biggest disparity being a complete disconnect in the outfield (And this depends on your metric values, Ellsbury did lead center fielders in UZR). The AL shortstop ranking was pretty bogus, but at least it wasn’t Jeter for once.

MB923
3 years 8 months ago

I alwasy questioned on how Texiera and Cano had negative UZR’s. From what I understand though, UZR and those other stats can’t determine scooped balls nor do they determine foul outs (which Tex led the league in last year)

Cano had more PO, more assists, more innings and fewest errors than any 2B in 2010 if I’m not mistaken.

KingofBing71
3 years 8 months ago

He had no errors and 8 outfield assists. Plus the outfield GG’s are set by the seperate positions now. So one for LF, one for CF, and one for RF. With those stipulations, Ethier makes sense.

NickinIthaca
3 years 8 months ago

I obviously have all the respect in the world for Jamie Moyer (as all baseball fans should), but I have to wonder how a 49 year old Moyer coming off of Tommy John surgery should be receiving “excellent” reports from scouts.

Is it in comparison to what people expect from 49 year old’s (not named Satchel Paige)?  In comparison to what he was doing before the surgery?  Is he back with a vengeance, throwing a 92 MPH fastball that paints the black?

140 words on the subject is no where near enough….

EdinsonPickle
3 years 8 months ago

He probably developed a devastating 23 mph slider.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

The reports are probably more on his movement and location than anything.

TheHitman23
3 years 8 months ago

How did Alex Gordon win the Gold Glove over Gardner? He led the league in fielding sabermetrics wise by a mile. Snubbed again!

Nathan Miller⚾™
3 years 8 months ago

Oh idk TheHitman32… maybe because Alex Gordon had 20 outfield assists compared to Gardner’s 7??..

inleylandwetrust
3 years 8 months ago

Besides errors, you could not have picked a worse statistic to judge defensive ability by. Please, GTFO.

TheHitman23
3 years 8 months ago

*Hitman23. According to Fangraphs, Brett Gardner’s UZR 25.8 as opposed to Gordon’s 9.6. Gardner led the league in this stat. It is incredibly inaccurate to base the Gold Glove on only outfield assists.

threeeds
3 years 8 months ago

Very few people will run on Gardner. And besides, as others have stated, his UZR absolutely annihilates Gordon’s. Gordon’s is still good, no doubt, but Gardner should have been the unanimous AL LF for this award.

Nathan Miller⚾™
3 years 8 months ago

And remember.. its pretty amazing Alex Gordon won a gold glove. He moved from 3B to Left Field… Brett Gardner use to be a CF and still could be. Thats why his sabermetrics are so good. A centerfielder playing LF.

inleylandwetrust
3 years 8 months ago

Why should that have any bearing? The whole award is supposed to be for who played the position the best. Period. 

TheHitman23
3 years 8 months ago

Um, how does that even apply? Gardner played LF for most if not all of the 2011 the season. He played the best defensively at that position. His talent shouldn’t be undervalued because according to you, he’s a CF in LF. I don’t see how that should have any effect on his performance if he played the whole year in left.

Snoochies8
3 years 8 months ago

apparently the voters didn’t think brett gardner hit well enough to win the gold glove

EdinsonPickle
3 years 8 months ago

He hit more home runs than Gardner which is exactly what defensive excellence should be judged by.

ateam043
3 years 8 months ago

Glad 3 Dodgers won the Gold Glove…as much as I like Ethier and believe many doubt his defense….it’s good, but not GOLD GLOVE good.

Jakmagic
3 years 8 months ago

What happened that Y. Betancourt and C. Mehgee didn’t receive a gold glove? LOL!

KingofBing71
3 years 8 months ago

Bummer that Alex Avila and Jhonny Peralta didn’t win this year, but I think overall this was one of the better jobs the baseball writers have done. Unlike past years when they kissed Yankee rear end and called it a day. Congrats to the winners for sure.

threeeds
3 years 8 months ago

It all comes down the the CS% for catchers it seems, and Wieters was the best everyday catcher in that regard by over 5% I think. I’m disappointed for sure, but not surprised.

verlander
3 years 8 months ago

Peralta wasn’t up for a Gold Glove.  I think Jackson should have won. Wieters had a better defensive year than Avila, though.

I wanted to slap the ESPN “experts” every time they touted assists and fielding percentage as why so-and-so won. “JACOBY ELLSBURY HAD A GREAT OFFENSIVE YEAR AND HE HAD A 1.000 FIELDING PERCENTAGE!!!!!”

0bsessions
3 years 8 months ago

Just because ESPN is stupid doesn’t mean Ellsbury is an awful choice. As noted, he did top the MLB in UZR for a CF.

verlander
3 years 8 months ago

Did I say Ellsbury was an awful choice?  I said Jackson should have won. O NO, GRAB THE INTERNET PITCHFORKS AND INTERNET TORCHES!!!

0bsessions
3 years 8 months ago

I feel it’s worth noting that baseball writers don’t vote on the Gold Glove, managers and coaches do. The reason that the Gold Gloves are the most obviously broken award in the MLB is because these guys really don’t take it very seriously and will often either vote for their guy or a guy with big name recognition, which is why it’ll usually go to a large market player..

WoolCorp
3 years 8 months ago

3 Dodgers won just to drive the sale price of the team up. Believe it

MetsMagic
3 years 8 months ago

Moyer’s pitched in rotations with Greg Maddux, Nolan Ryan, and Roy Halladay and has been the teammate of Sandberg, Griffey, Palmeiro, and Ripken throughout his career. Quite impressive. 

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

Great career and even better person. Just reading quotes from him, listening to interviews, he’s a guy who gets what fans want to see out of their ball players. Never the most talented guy but one of the hardest working and most prepared. Hope he gets a shot from somebody (Seattle, San Diego, somewhere with a big yard).

MB923
3 years 8 months ago

I agree with what you wrote, except the Great career part, but I know that wasn’t your main point.

Lunchbox45
3 years 8 months ago

wow gold gloves actually mean nothing. they should just get rid of them, its pretty embarrassing 

3 years 8 months ago

I hope Tommy John allows Moyer to pitch for another decade. He made his MLB debut 2 years before I was born.

Lunchbox45
3 years 8 months ago

so you’re 76 ?

twenty1thirteen
3 years 8 months ago

Lol @ Yankees fans griping about Gardner. How does that bittchslapp to the face feel?

MB923
3 years 8 months ago

If that makes you happy, then whatever. 

ultimate913
3 years 8 months ago

If that was a “bittchslapp” then Jeter winning last year was manslaughter to the rest of the league.

YanksFanSince78
3 years 8 months ago

LOL @ the KC Royals having fans. 

PS- 2113….is that when we should expect the Royals to compete? 

hallwagner
3 years 8 months ago

jamie moyer? holy crap, i would love to see him pitch in the majors again 😛

Ohhhplease
3 years 8 months ago

Would love to see the Padres sign Moyer on a minor league deal.  What better place to close out your career than the spacious confines of PETCO, he is cheap, and the Pads could use an experienced arm now that Harang is gone. 

MattCMoore
3 years 8 months ago

I try not to get mad about the GGs but I think Austin Jackson is clearly the best def CF in baseball. Mabe im biased idk but I thought he was a lock for ROTY last yr…

Lunchbox45
3 years 8 months ago

havent seen much of jackson play, but UZR says he’s not even close

NickinIthaca
3 years 8 months ago

I’ve seen him play and UZR is correct…  He’s like Rey Orodonez in CF.  He can make some spectacular plays, but then a line drive or fly ball directly at him eats him up.

FunkyTime
3 years 8 months ago

He made 3 errors all year.  I’m not someone that overvalues errors and fielding percentage, but to say that he messes up simple plays on a regular basis is completely untrue. 

He did a couple times in the playoffs and that’s probably what you saw.  But I’ve watched him regularly for the past two years and he doesn’t struggle with simple plays at all.  (Ryan Raburn, on the other hand …)

Jackson’s one defensive weakness is that he NEVER leaves his feet.  Even if stretching out or diving for a ball is the only way to get an out.  He’s a bit overly cautious in that regard. (This may or may not be due to extremely slow teammates playing in the corners)

But his range is great, and he has a decent arm for a center fielder too. And he seemed to take at least 3 or 4 home runs out of the seats this year.

verlander
3 years 8 months ago

No, Jackson never leaves his feet, but it also means he never plays a single into a double or a double into a triple unlike the aforementioned Raburn. And since he never leaves his feet, the voters rarely see him on SportsCenter making amazing diving catches, unless he’s robbing homeruns.

0bsessions
3 years 8 months ago

“Jackson’s one defensive weakness is that he NEVER leaves his feet.  Even if stretching out or diving for a ball is the only way to get an out.  He’s a bit overly cautious in that regard. (This may or may not be due to extremely slow teammates playing in the corners)”

Verlander’s right on this one and your last note plays into it. If you’re the best defender in your outfield by as wide of a margin as Jackson, you can’t afford to be making the diving plays because anything that gets past you is going to take ages to get back to the infield.

Take it from someone who watched the 2010 Red Sox outfield disaster where we didn’t even have a consistent center fielder. Everyone’s diving for stuff and never getting it and nobody’s fast enough to be backing anyone else up and everything’s all over the outfield. You want a guy who’s by and large conservative with his dives when he doesn’t have much backing him up.

FunkyTime
3 years 8 months ago

Yeah, I wasn’t really criticizing him.  He’s a great center fielder, and I agree that he has to be cautious with Magglio and Delmon Young manning the corners.

I’m just saying that’s basically the only valid complaint someone could have about him if you watch him on a regular basis.  There are times when it looks like he could catch the ball if he just laid out for it, but I’ve literally NEVER seen him do so.  In ANY circumstance.

0bsessions
3 years 8 months ago

J.D. Drew was the same way and he got a lot of whining from the Sox fanbase for it. No heart, no hussle, blah blah blah. But none of those people paid much attention to that right field wall, which has destroyed lesser fielders. If the ball gets by you in that corner, it’s either going to bounce up, turning an easy single into a ground rule double/taking away a play at the plate (Which Drew was great at) or it’s going to bounce off that odd shaped wall and end up somewhere in no man’s land.

verlander
3 years 8 months ago

According to Fielding Bible, Jackson saved the Tigers 22 runs in 2011 and has made 63 more plays than the average CF over the last two years. He saved the Tigers 21 runs in 2010.

Pawsdeep
3 years 8 months ago

You beat me to that stat, and it should say all you need to know.

The fact that his defensive sabers aren’t stellar just tells me that systems has a flaw in it. To not statistically rank him among the CF elites just boggles my mind. I have never seen such range in a CF. He catches balls that no one else in the league could get to, save Bourjous and maybe Guti. His range and initial read on the ball is the best in baseball, and I don’t need a stat to tell me that. Just watch him.

hallwagner
3 years 8 months ago

that’s basically saying the tigers pitching staff allowed 63 more balls to get to cf than they should have. 😛

verlander
3 years 8 months ago

. . . Not really.

verlander
3 years 8 months ago

It just means the average CF wouldn’t have gotten to those plays, while an above average CF (like Jackson) would have.

3 years 8 months ago

He won the 2011 Fielding Bible Award for CF, so…

Lunchbox45
3 years 8 months ago

 a lot of that had to do with opportunity, but duly noted

verlander
3 years 8 months ago

should of just gave it to ellsbury

3 years 8 months ago

agree..as a yankee fan i would do that trade all over..if yanks had kennedy and austin over the grandyman they’d be champs 2day

MB923
3 years 8 months ago

The Yankees lost in the ALDS because of not hitting in the clutch.

Austin Jackson had a .198 BA with RISP in 2011 and batted .125 in the ALDS and .195 in the playoffs (I’m using that small sample because you said they would have won if they had him). Are you saying Jackson > Granderson? Because clearly pitching was not the reason the Yankees lost.

Jakmagic
3 years 8 months ago

They suggest offering Darvish 10 mil per year at 2-3 years. At that rate he would be worth gambling on. They said his K/9 ratio should be higher based on the (stuff) he has. One very good point someone made is that the batters he faces have more of a slapstick style of swing. Kind of like Ichiro so they prolly don’t strikeout as much. In the MLB he prolly would have a higher strikeout ratio. As a Brewers fan, I wouldn’t mind if the Crew make him an offer. He could end up being one of the best finds of the year! I would rather have my team take a gamble on Darvish than CJ Wilson. I feel bad for the team that overpays for CJ Wilson. He is a good pitcher and he has put up good numbers in a tough ballpark to pitch in, but he is not going to be worth what some team is going to pay for his services. My guess is that if he doesn’t stay put in Texas, he will end up playing for the Nationals. The Nats are the one team that I can see overpaying for him. What do you guys think about Darvish or Wilson?

Pawsdeep
3 years 8 months ago

Comment removed for reply fail.

3 years 8 months ago

what about tex and dont they know robby cano

MB923
3 years 8 months ago

Pedroia and Gonzalez deserved it. Only Yankee that was robbed was Gardner.

craigkimbrelfan
3 years 8 months ago

It’s a joke that Matt Kemp won the CF Gold Glove….absolute popularity contest.  Victorino and Bourn are much better defensive CFs by far.  And honestly, even though I am a Braves fan, McCann should have been nowhere near the list of candidates for NL catchers.  I also think if the coaches and managers had a chance to watch Atlanta play more, Freeman should have somewhere in the vicinity at least.

Gold gloves have become a joke.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

They’ve been a joke for a few years now.

Matt Kemp won the award simply because of his offensive year.

Guest
3 years 8 months ago

Almost surprised they didn’t throw another GG at McLouth.  He was just as bad as he’s always been and his arm’s still a noodle.  He was even playing for a more popular team than when he won it before.  GGer for sure!

LMTShawn
3 years 8 months ago

Asdrubal Cabrera not a gold glove recipient? Just ridiculous. You can throw all the saebermetrics and zone ratings and whatever other cockamamie stat out there to defend any player you want, but Cabby not winning a gold glove is a sign that this award means nothing. It was bad enough Derek Jeter was taking this award home on an all too regular basis, but to not give the best defensive short stop the award is robbery.

3 years 8 months ago

Hoping the Halos sign Moyer for two bags of Werther’s Originals. 

Guest
3 years 8 months ago

Man, I wish life worked in the same way the GG’s do.  It’d be just like Office Space.  Don’t show up to work for weeks, be a crappy employee, and they hand you a promotion with as much as six people working under you.   I’d have upper management written all over me.

TheHitman23
3 years 8 months ago

I agree that the Gold Glove awards are bologna. But oh my god. Gardner was arguably the best defensive LF in the game. 

CaseyBlakeDeWitt
3 years 8 months ago

They are terrible. How do they even decide the winners?

NickinIthaca
3 years 8 months ago

They’re the equivalent of the Grammy’s….  It’s depressing

EdinsonPickle
3 years 8 months ago

Slips of paper and a top hat?

TartanElk
3 years 8 months ago

By how much they hit obviously? 

The voters are just trolling everybody at this point. “What can we do to make this award meaningless and piss everyone off, all at the same time?”

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

Isn’t it the coaching staffs who vote? So they pretty much ignore the numbers and vote for whoever had a good game against them.

Snoochies8
3 years 8 months ago

if they put a bunch of monkeys in a room, and give them computers to type with, one of them are bound to type a name, right?

0bsessions
3 years 8 months ago

“Gardner was arguably the best defender in the game.”

Fix’d. Seriously, Gardner led the MLB in UZR by a wiiiiiiide margin AND won a fielding bible award. This was a pretty big snub based almost entirely on the fact that Gardner is a relative unknown compared to the rest of his team.

This could all be avoided if people just started ignoring the Gold Gloves all together and paid attention to the Fielding Bible Awards instead.

0bsessions
3 years 8 months ago

He wasn’t the best CF in the MLB by either Fielding Bible standards OR UZR. It’s a toss up of which you prefer, but the award more deservedly going to go to either Jackson or Ellsbury either way. Bourjos’ will likely win one eventually.

Pawsdeep
3 years 8 months ago

Agreed. Guti wasnt the worst choice for CF, but Jackson was beyond words this year. So was Bourjous for his time in the bigs.

The GG awards are a joke, and Guti was even one of their better choices. That last is bogus.

Ohhhplease
3 years 8 months ago

Didn’t learn your lesson from Matsuzaka I guess.

MB923
3 years 8 months ago

Stop making up stories. Gardner was never hyped up to be super talented. He shows what he’s good at, speed, defense, getting on base. Nobody in their rightful mind projected him to be the next best thing at all.

notsureifsrs
3 years 8 months ago

there isn’t even a conversation to be had about gardner getting robbed. there is no legitimate argument for anyone else. he’s spent about 1500 fewer innings in left field than most of the qualified players over the last three seasons and still saved 40 runs more than anyone other than carl crawford – and carl is still 17 runs behind

his 2011 was even better than his 2010. anyone who disagrees about gardner’s defense automatically belongs on the ignore list. there are just some things about which reasonable people cannot disagree

MB923
3 years 8 months ago

I guess @blackcourt:disqus belongs on the ignore list

verlander
3 years 8 months ago

I like how you psychoanalyzed me because of an internet post. Good work.