Zack Greinke Rumors: Thursday

Zack Greinke picked up his ninth win of the season last night, allowing two runs in six innings of work during the Brewers' 8-4 win over the Reds.  Here's the latest hot stove chatter on the Milwaukee ace…

  • "A couple of teams," including the Yankees, feel that Greinke may not be suited for pitching in a large market, reports Jon Heyman of CBS Sports.  Greinke did tell the Yankees he would pitch for them when he was in the process of being dealt from the Royals to the Brewers. 
  • At the time Greinke turned down a trade to the Nationals, as he felt the Brewers were in better position to immediately contend.  As Washington has since acquired Gio Gonzalez and Edwin Jackson, the Nats are unlikely to be looking for pitching at the trade deadline.
  • Heyman says that the Brewers were looking to offer Greinke an extension similar to Jered Weaver's deal with the Angels (five years, $85MM) but talks between Greinke and the Brewers broke off in April just after Matt Cain's five-year, $112.5MM deal contract with the Giants re-shaped the market.
  • The Braves would only be interested in trading for Greinke if they could sign him to a new long-term contract, writes's Mark Bowman.  The Braves could, as rumored, use some of the money budgeted for their 2013 payroll to accommodate adding Greinke or another pitcher.  As Bowman points out, the Braves will have almost $36MM (Chipper Jones, Derek Lowe and Michael Bourn's contract) coming off the books this winter, though the club will need some of those funds to re-sign Bourn or spend on another outfielder.
  • Besides Greinke, Bowman lists Matt Garza, Ryan Dempster and Edinson Volquez as "potential targets" for Atlanta.
  • Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports added some more news about Greinke earlier today.

44 Responses to Zack Greinke Rumors: Thursday Leave a Reply

  1. make it happen wren. greinke would be a perfect fit in Atlanta. make a deal happen. and then sign the man. 

    • erm016 3 years ago

      Who do you propose giving up?

    • I love greinke, he is my favorite non braves player BUT i dont really think adding a very high priced pitcher is the best decision when for years our problem has been offense 

  2. Colin Christopher 3 years ago

    Greinke would love Atlanta. There are spots 30-45 minutes outside the city that feel like you’re in the country, and pro athletes can walk around anywhere in town and not get recognized. If the Braves priority is offense, however, I doubt they can afford Greinke.

  3. Tacho Bill 3 years ago

    Pirates…will not be trading for this guy. Oh well. 

    • Hannibal8us 3 years ago

      The Pirates need hitting, not more pitching.

  4. 55saveslives 3 years ago

    Matt Cain >>>>>>>>>> Zack Greinke

    • TophersReds 3 years ago

      Coming from a Giants fan… SHOCKER.

      • 55saveslives 3 years ago

         Look at the numbers.

        • Look at the respective ballparks they pitch in.

          • rickjimbo 3 years ago

            Also the offensive prowess of their respective divisions should be taken into consideration

          • 55saveslives 3 years ago

             The Astros and Cubs?? 😛

        • RoscoeBMore 3 years ago

          Cain: FIP 2.79, xFIP 3.50
          Greinke:  FIP 2.22, xFIP  2.72

          Yup, looked at the numbers.  This year anyway, Greinke is better.  Matt Cain is a wonderful pitcher, probably more consistent than Greinke, and the Baseball Giants did the right thing by resigning Cain, but Greinke is better right now.

          • 55saveslives 3 years ago

             Cain has a 2 GB, 2 SHO, lower ERA, Lower WHIP, Lower BAA against, more K’s, Fewer runs given up, Fewer hits given up….Plus Cain is Mentally stable.

            Cain has gotten better ever year.

          • Ha shut outs? ERA? BAA against? Learn to look outside the box. Too bad you couldn’t mention wins because they have the same amount right?

            Greinke and Cain are infact similar pitchers but Cain never had a season close to Greinke’s 2009. Mentally stable you say? Guy proved that he can be an ace in American league. Cain has been pitching in NL West his whole career.

          • RoscoeBMore 3 years ago

            Love your name, Pasta Diving!

      • rundmc1981 3 years ago

        Cain is much better than Greinke. Much more consistent, especially over the last 2 years. And he’s from Dothan, AL. Representing.

      • I’m far from a Giants fan, but Cain is better than Greinke.

        • TophersReds 3 years ago

          I never said he wasn’t. I was just simply pointing out the blind homerism like nobody is even in Cain’s league.

    • Matt Cain<<<<<Zack Greinke

    • davbee 3 years ago

      Cain 156 ERA+ for the season and 126 ERA+ for his career.  Greinke is 147 (season) and 116 (career).  Cain is the better pitcher, but the difference is not as much as some people may think.

    • MaineSox 3 years ago

      Normally I would use a 3 or 4 year sample size, but I’ll go with 2.5 years here (the start of the ’10 season) just to stay away from using Greinke’s career year (just in case people think he was way over his head that year).

      Cain:     3.19 FIP, 3.81 xFIP, 3.92 SIERA, 7.55 K/9, 2.38 BB/9, 38.2 GB%
      Greinke: 2.98 FIP, 3.06 xFIP, 3.15 SIERA, 8.82 K/9, 2.22 BB/9, 47.7 GB%

      And remember, that doesn’t include Greinke’s best season.

  5. 14 Rocks 3 years ago

    I would love for the Braves to get Greinke but 20M a year would be a heavy salary for one starting pitcher.  That is more than 1/5 of the total payroll for the entire team.  Signing him would mean that McCann’s time with Atlanta would be over after next season.  It would also be difficult to re-sign Bourn.

    • I think McCann is on borrowed time in Atlanta anyway regardless if Greinke signed a huge extension or not (if he were to be traded here).  Mac will be wanting probably around the 20M a year too for a new contract that will start after he turns 30.  It’s pretty evident his body has taken a beating from catching most of the games for the past 7ish years.  His offensive production will start to decline as he gets into his 30s and his already horrendous defense will get even worse with age.  If they Braves weren’t owned by a corporation who could care less about the team then I’d be ok with possibly rolling the dice on an extension but like you said, one guy doesn’t need to be taking up 1/5 to almost 1/4 of the teams total payroll (though you said for Greinke, but I’m saying Mac).

    • rundmc1981 3 years ago

      I’m all for letting McCann’s 2013 option year be the final year with ATL. I’d even consider trading him next year if Bethancourt/Gattis/Ross could fill in. McCann’s offensive numbers are great, but not worth $80 million+, especially when we’re seeing regression already. I don’t want ATL paying for the face of ATL. Even if it means replacing McCann with the better defensive person (Bethancourt) and take the hit to our offense, putting that money into the OF/SP.

  6. stl_cards16 3 years ago

    “Besides Greinke, Bowman lists Matt Garza, Ryan Dempster and Edinson Volquez as “potential targets” for Atlanta.”

    Still no love for Brandon McCarthy.  I haven’t seen him on a list yet.  Is he just not as flashy or what?  He would be a really solid pickup for a team down the stretch.

    • PileOfSandwich 3 years ago

      The A’s don’t want to trade him and it’s kinda known that they want him back as their ace.

      • stl_cards16 3 years ago

        He’s a free-agent after the season and I haven’t heard anything about extension talks.  Maybe that is the case but you would think they would either be working toward a deal or looking to trade him.

      • Snoochies8 3 years ago

        I doubt they don’t want to trade him, I’m sure they’ll listen on offers for him. I just doubt he has a lot of trade value, having to skip nearly every other start. But now with guys like Straily, Peacock, and Griffin (who’s already been brought up), I could see him being moved.

        And yes, the A’s do want him back, but they’ll be listening on him.

    • It doesn’t help that McCarthy is made of glass.

  7. Most of the braves fans make me sick for a number of reason on here. Being a braves fan, I think grienke sucks and isn’t worth the money or long time vontract he is asking. His mental abitlity to pitch in big games will be average at best and nothung more. As for Bmac, I believe he is trying to get it going and will be okay at the end of the season. We have enough to build on and I believe a veteran starting pitcher, another pitcher, depth on the bench, and outfield help. Bourn is all but gone look at his numbers hitting and what he can do with his legs huge contract. Also it would be a let down, so don’t sign him. Centerfield/leadoff and great contact/power lf. If we can could but pressure constantly on the other pitching our young guns will be fine. Let bourn go, sign bmac, sign hudson discount price, and forget about grienke. 

    •  i can honestly say that i understood approximately 7% of that entire post…

    •  crazy. McCann will be playing less and less in the coming years, much as Chipper has. That’s how it works for catchers. We have one average outfielder for next year – Heyward. Born is a must to contend, because he provides spark. We need a serious pitcher long-term, just like Hudson has been a go-to guy his whole contract.

  8. lionofsenate 3 years ago

    Grienke has said it is easier to pitch at home due to comfort.  So you can expect him to dominate at home just the same unless he is moving to the Puerto Rican/Montreal Expos.

  9. Nick Daniels 3 years ago

    Bourn, not Bourne.  You watch too many movies.

  10. Uggla is signed for 3 more years, so he isn’t going any where. They have 36 mil to spend on Bourn and another outfielder in the off-season. Starting pitching is young and good…not to mention the studs in the bullpen. McCann is the only question…and the braves have 2 really good catching prospects in the minors, so if he doesn’t start hitting, he is gone. The braves have never been big on spending money for free agents, so don’t count on that. The braves will be buyers before the deadline, and whoever they sign will get an extension.

  11. rundmc1981 3 years ago

    I really like your idea, but it’s not like we have the Padres budget. Hudson has an inexpensive option for 2013 and will be worth it. Uggla has never had a season less than 27 HR, so though he brings bad defense, he makes up for it with a powerful bat, though he’s streaky. I wouldn’t mind his streakiness if we didn’t have McCann/Jones – which I look forward to moving on without. I love what Bourn is doing this year, but I might be in the minority that thinks that if we can’t sign one of the few decent CF options this offseason, I’d love to see Heyward try CF out more. He’s played some there already, has the range, the arm, and runs routes very well. Strangely, he’d be the biggest CF in the game, but who cares about that. We’ve struggled finding our future CF and since J-Hey isn’t going anywhere, it’d be interesting to see.

  12. “He is vasely superior behind the plate (and McCann is pretty good)”

    I take it the only time you see McCann play is when Atlanta visits St. Louis and vice versa.  His defense behind the plate is absolutely atrocious and has actually gotten worse over the last few years. You’ll be hard pressed to find a Braves fan who will tell you he plays even average D.

  13. robby316 3 years ago

     “I don’t think he deserves a Matt Cain contract”

    Can someone get Doug Melvin on the phone?

  14. There are a lot of Jays fans on this board that you just provided a good laugh to.

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