Olney On Marlins, Rays, Upton

General managers say the trade market has been surprisingly stagnant, ESPN.com’s Buster Olney writes. The value of a Wild Card berth has diminished under baseball’s new collective bargaining agreement, and executives wonder if this change has affected the trade market. “There's not as much incentive to being a Wild Card team as there has been,” one NL GM told Olney. Here are the rest of Olney’s notes and rumors:

  • Under the new CBA, the spending money attached to draft picks is more valuable than the picks themselves, one GM said. Teams with large spending limits have more flexibility than other clubs and can pursue players more aggressively.
  • Olney spoke with officials who are convinced the Diamondbacks will trade Justin Upton. Here are all the latest rumors on Upton.
  • The 43-46 Marlins and the 46-44 Rays could create a significant shift in the trade market between now and the end of July. Both Florida teams are hovering around .500 for now.
  • The Marlins will be willing to discuss every player on their roster, including Giancarlo Stanton, Josh Johnson and Omar Infante, if they decide to sell, Olney writes.


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58 Comments on "Olney On Marlins, Rays, Upton"


dylanp5030
3 years 1 month ago

I can’t even fathom what a package for Stanton would look like. Is there such a package?

3 years 1 month ago

 I don’t know, but I would love to see the Rays try. 

vtadave
3 years 1 month ago

Start with Matt Moore and Desmond Jennings.  That might not be enough.

dylanp5030
3 years 1 month ago

I think he is one of 4 players that no package exists for (except swapping these four)

Trout
Harper
Stanton
Kershaw

Remember92
3 years 1 month ago

Giancarlo Stanton???? Seriously…now that is a player that would have Taillon, Marte, and others readily available I’m sure. No way do they move a kid with his power, upside, and years of control…c’mon Buster????????????? May God have mercy on your soul for writing such drivel…

3 years 1 month ago

0% chance the Marlins trade Stanton within the next 2 seasons.

MLB_in_the_Know
3 years 1 month ago

…annnnd here come all the ridiculous trade proposals for Giancarlo Stanton.

3 years 1 month ago

I’m sorry but there is no way we trade stanton or jj. if we get rid of anyone it will be infante, coghlan, nolasco, bell (hopefully) or if we can get anyone to take him, buck. stanton, jj, hanley, lomo and reyes won’t be going anywhere.

dylanp5030
3 years 1 month ago

No way they should trade Johnson? Why?

rsanchez1
3 years 1 month ago

Just like there’s no way we trade Stanton or JJ, there’s no way we trade Bell. No one is stupid enough to take that trade.

3 years 1 month ago

Isn’t it sad that the Marlins blew up the offseason market with their acquisitions of Buehrle, Zambrano, Reyes, etc and now they are looking to trade/sell?

CHendershott
3 years 1 month ago

If by “sad” you mean “hilarious”, then yes, very sad.

LazerTown
3 years 1 month ago

Hard to see the marlins selling, they signed too many pieces in the offseason.  I don’t think their team is that bad, just people aren’t performing as expected.  JJ, Anibal, reyes, and bell, are all having pretty bad or mediocre years compared to what was expected.  If hanley was also able to turn it around then i think they would be in the race.  They are only 6.5 out.

3 years 1 month ago

Yeah, as a braves fan, I’m all about bringing Stanton to Atlanta.. We’ll take him off your hands. Make it happen Wren

rsanchez1
3 years 1 month ago

Any package the Braves could offer have to start with Tommy Hanson and Jason Heyward.

3 years 1 month ago

marlins made 2 big mistakes last offseason.

not signing cespedes
not making a gio deal because logan morrison was untouchable. gio ended up with nats. cespedes has proven to be an exciting and productive player

Juan
3 years 1 month ago

you forgot heath bell

CHendershott
3 years 1 month ago

Prior to the season Heath Bell would be considered an overpay, but by no means a mistake. He was a proven ML closer. Look at the White Sox and Adam Dunn last season. Any GM would have made that signing if they had the need, and still would, rightly so. He’s turned it around, and Bell could also. He’s sucking it up something awful right now, but anything is possible.

Mike1L
3 years 1 month ago

I think the GM comment about the extra wild card not being as highly valued is fascinating.  Bud saw it as a way to sell more tickets during the regular season, but it may be that GM’s are looking at post season dollars.  The old system got you a real series (sellouts, premium priced tickets, concessions and marketing, etc.)  The new system has a 50/50 chance of just one away game.  

stl_cards16
3 years 1 month ago

But if you’re the #1 Wild card team, you’re guaranteed one home playoff game, just like it was before.  It’s a little bigger risk, but I think teams will go after it just as hard as before.

Mike1L
3 years 1 month ago

 It’s really hard to figure.  There’s both an economic and emotional component.  Do you go all in at the trade deadline when you might get nothing more than a one and done. 

stl_cards16
3 years 1 month ago

Absolutely, but it’s always been that way.  There are plenty of teams that have went “all in” and not even made the playoffs.  It’s not as if making the playoffs/Wild Card was a given before, even if you made a big trade.

slider32
3 years 1 month ago

GMs are just jockeying for position with the new CBA. They are still trying to put a value on the rental players mostly, since their are no draft picks involved. It will be interesting to see where players like Hamels, Greinke, Garza, Dempster,Upton, and Shields go. I would think teams will have to give up much more for Shields, Upton, and Garza since they will be under control.

Mike1L
3 years 1 month ago

 I agree.  The change in draft pick compensation makes it interesting.  If you are the selling GM, and you are willing to make a qualifying offer, you figure you have either the player in your pocket, or the two draft picks (unless this is a pure salary dump).  So, the price should be higher than two draft picks.   But it’s can’t be too much higher, because the buyer is only getting a rental and nothing else beyond that.  So, what do you value a Hamels or a Grienke at?  It’s a game of chicken. 

JayTeam
3 years 1 month ago

Only 1 draft pick compensation in the new CBA. Forfeited pick by signing team does not go to the team losing the player. 

HARRISON ROSE
3 years 1 month ago

Come on, like the Marlins are REALLY gonna trade Stanton or JJ??

stl_cards16
3 years 1 month ago

That’s just “Buster being Buster”

andy
3 years 1 month ago

I think this was just a setup for an entertaining episode of The Franchise

Dodgersarelife
3 years 1 month ago

Ned call up the marlins about Hanley!!!! Come on down to L.A Hanley you can play shortstop here we don’t care! Zach Lee, Eovaldi, Pederson, and Gould for Rameriz and one of them hot Miami chicks.

hawkny1
3 years 1 month ago

MLB would be smart to move the Marlins to Orlando. 
This move would create statewide accessibility for Floridians and immediate access for Disney World tourists. 

At the same time, move the Rays up to Charlotte, NC where there are 5,000,000-6,000,000 fans to draw from below the Mason-Dixon line, north of Atlanta and east of St. Louis.  Tampa’s stadium location in St Pete. is simply too driver inaccessible to ever be successful even with a top 4 team playing homes games there. Other spots to consider for MLB expansion?  Oklahoma City, Vancouver, Portland, OR and Las Vegas. Teams in two of these cities would raise MLB’s total to 32, 16 in each league (and, hopefully 8 in each regionally based division)

largefarva
3 years 1 month ago

Portland couldn’t hold a minor league team. It’s too saturated with that sport called “soccer”.

dylanp5030
3 years 1 month ago

Now is not exactly a good time to talk about moving the Miami Marlins my friend.

hawkny1
3 years 1 month ago

True, if I lived in Dade County.

HenryLear
3 years 1 month ago

Or……you could move the TAMPA Bay Rays to TAMPA. Its ridiculous how baseball fans around the country think the Rays dont have fans. They do. TV ratings prove it. St Petersburg is basically a city-sized nursing home. A stadium in downtown, or at the fairgrounds, would draw 25-30k a night. Its not so much the physical lowsiness of the stadium, its the fact its located a solid hour-hour 1/2 from the majority of the fan base.

hawkny1
3 years 1 month ago

I understand your point and have heard the same from countless others…but as they say, “The horse is out of the barn”.  Maybe they could turn the clock back and get the White Sox to play some of their home games in St. Pete while convincing Eisner, at Disney, to build a new stadium next to fantasy world, or whatever its called.

Michael Brown
3 years 1 month ago

Enough, enough. Wren needs to swing a deal to bring Infante back for the stretch run. 

DFA Wilson when AS gets off the DL. 

rsanchez1
3 years 1 month ago

Before we get carried away here, it is Marlins policy to listen to any player, just in case there’s a team that’s willing to overpay. While I do agree that it is ridiculous to trade Giancarlo, think about the kind of pieces it will take to overpay for Giancarlo. If Beane couldn’t pry him away with Gio Gonzalez, it’s gonna take a lot of talent to acquire Stanton.

DempseyK
3 years 1 month ago

If Stanton is available,  I would make the deal work if Im Pittsburgh.

Pirates get:  Giancarlo Stanton and Emilio Bonafacio

Marlins get:  Jameson Taillon, Starling Marte, Jeff Locke, Brian Friday, Zack Von Rosenberg and Evan Meek

Would be a bigtime overpayment, but that deal addresses 2 holes for the Buccos roster.  Bonafacio moves back to Shortstop and puts Clint Barmes on the bench.

3 years 1 month ago

If Stanton truly does become available the Pirates need to somehow make it happen i would only deem Cole untouchable and everyone else would be in play

JayTeam
3 years 1 month ago

GM’s don’t make deals dependent on which teams their fans do or don’t like. 

mgsports
3 years 1 month ago

Orlando needs a MLB/NHL/NFL/MLS and WNBA team back.
 Marlins and Rays will be buyers.
Add Monterrey,Mexico,San Jose,Jacksonville and Hawaii to the list.

macdice
macdice
3 years 1 month ago

Maybe Jack Z might reconsider trading Felix if Stanton is in play

3 years 1 month ago

Felix + one of the M’s 3 highly regarded pitching prospects for stanton. done

3 years 1 month ago

 Says the Cubs fan

erm016
3 years 1 month ago

Overrated. 

rainyperez
3 years 1 month ago

The amount of power he has and how young he is means he’s not overrated. 

Guest
3 years 1 month ago

Not bad but i’d have a hard time seeing Andrew Friedman sending a guy to Texas with 2+ years of control for a team friendly value & AL East proven without receiving a Mike Olt or a Martin Perez. 

derekmac6
3 years 1 month ago

Probably too much to give up when you consider that a healthy Feliz may give you something comparable to what Shields could

slider32
3 years 1 month ago

The Rays aren’t going to deal with one  of their biggest rivials in the AL.

Guest
3 years 1 month ago

You got to give up talent to get talent. 

“Probably too much to give up when you consider what a healthy Feliz may give you something comparable to what Shields could”. 

The key word there is “healthy”, and so far the experiment of stretching him out has been not so good, and i’m not talking numbers wise. I think he is better suited in the bullpen. 

dylanp5030
3 years 1 month ago

Why is everyone LA bound all of a sudden?

Quick, Dodgers have money they will sign EVERYBODY and their brothers.

HenryLear
3 years 1 month ago

How could you make such a definitive prediction about FOUR years from now? How exactly would he fit in between recently extended Kemp, Ethier, and Yasel Puig?

rsanchez1
3 years 1 month ago

Yeah, this guy loves to troll the Sun Sentinel comments, he just has nothing better to do than hate on the Marlins ever since ’03.

3 years 1 month ago

Stanton’s from Cali.  Not a big fan of Florida.

alexw2840
3 years 1 month ago

Don’t think the Rays haven’t forgotten the playoffs the last 2 years.

gnats
3 years 1 month ago

TB sees Texas as a rival; Texas does not see Tampa Bay as a rival.  It’s sort of like when Texas fans back in 96-99 thought NYY was their biggest rival, and the Yankees thought nothing of Texas. 

Many Rays fans really dislike the Rangers.

dylanp5030
3 years 1 month ago

I guess I missed him coming out saying he doesn’t like Florida.

alexw2840
3 years 1 month ago

I’m not saying they’re rivals, but if you think the Rays aren’t going to be a little more motivated or emotional if they meet them in the playoffs again, you are sadly mistaken :)