Olney On Marlins, Rays, Upton

General managers say the trade market has been surprisingly stagnant, ESPN.com’s Buster Olney writes. The value of a Wild Card berth has diminished under baseball’s new collective bargaining agreement, and executives wonder if this change has affected the trade market. “There's not as much incentive to being a Wild Card team as there has been,” one NL GM told Olney. Here are the rest of Olney’s notes and rumors:

  • Under the new CBA, the spending money attached to draft picks is more valuable than the picks themselves, one GM said. Teams with large spending limits have more flexibility than other clubs and can pursue players more aggressively.
  • Olney spoke with officials who are convinced the Diamondbacks will trade Justin Upton. Here are all the latest rumors on Upton.
  • The 43-46 Marlins and the 46-44 Rays could create a significant shift in the trade market between now and the end of July. Both Florida teams are hovering around .500 for now.
  • The Marlins will be willing to discuss every player on their roster, including Giancarlo Stanton, Josh Johnson and Omar Infante, if they decide to sell, Olney writes.


58 Responses to Olney On Marlins, Rays, Upton Leave a Reply

  1. Dylan 3 years ago

    I can’t even fathom what a package for Stanton would look like. Is there such a package?

    •  I don’t know, but I would love to see the Rays try. 

      • vtadave 3 years ago

        Start with Matt Moore and Desmond Jennings.  That might not be enough.

        • Dylan 3 years ago

          I think he is one of 4 players that no package exists for (except swapping these four)

          Trout
          Harper
          Stanton
          Kershaw

  2. Remember92 3 years ago

    Giancarlo Stanton???? Seriously…now that is a player that would have Taillon, Marte, and others readily available I’m sure. No way do they move a kid with his power, upside, and years of control…c’mon Buster????????????? May God have mercy on your soul for writing such drivel…

  3. 0% chance the Marlins trade Stanton within the next 2 seasons.

  4. MLB_in_the_Know 3 years ago

    …annnnd here come all the ridiculous trade proposals for Giancarlo Stanton.

  5. I’m sorry but there is no way we trade stanton or jj. if we get rid of anyone it will be infante, coghlan, nolasco, bell (hopefully) or if we can get anyone to take him, buck. stanton, jj, hanley, lomo and reyes won’t be going anywhere.

    • Dylan 3 years ago

      No way they should trade Johnson? Why?

    • rsanchez1 3 years ago

      Just like there’s no way we trade Stanton or JJ, there’s no way we trade Bell. No one is stupid enough to take that trade.

  6. Isn’t it sad that the Marlins blew up the offseason market with their acquisitions of Buehrle, Zambrano, Reyes, etc and now they are looking to trade/sell?

    • CHendershott 3 years ago

      If by “sad” you mean “hilarious”, then yes, very sad.

  7. LazerTown 3 years ago

    Hard to see the marlins selling, they signed too many pieces in the offseason.  I don’t think their team is that bad, just people aren’t performing as expected.  JJ, Anibal, reyes, and bell, are all having pretty bad or mediocre years compared to what was expected.  If hanley was also able to turn it around then i think they would be in the race.  They are only 6.5 out.

  8. Yeah, as a braves fan, I’m all about bringing Stanton to Atlanta.. We’ll take him off your hands. Make it happen Wren

    • rsanchez1 3 years ago

      Any package the Braves could offer have to start with Tommy Hanson and Jason Heyward.

  9. marlins made 2 big mistakes last offseason.

    not signing cespedes
    not making a gio deal because logan morrison was untouchable. gio ended up with nats. cespedes has proven to be an exciting and productive player

    • Juan Morales 3 years ago

      you forgot heath bell

      • CHendershott 3 years ago

        Prior to the season Heath Bell would be considered an overpay, but by no means a mistake. He was a proven ML closer. Look at the White Sox and Adam Dunn last season. Any GM would have made that signing if they had the need, and still would, rightly so. He’s turned it around, and Bell could also. He’s sucking it up something awful right now, but anything is possible.

  10. Mike1L 3 years ago

    I think the GM comment about the extra wild card not being as highly valued is fascinating.  Bud saw it as a way to sell more tickets during the regular season, but it may be that GM’s are looking at post season dollars.  The old system got you a real series (sellouts, premium priced tickets, concessions and marketing, etc.)  The new system has a 50/50 chance of just one away game.  

    • stl_cards16 3 years ago

      But if you’re the #1 Wild card team, you’re guaranteed one home playoff game, just like it was before.  It’s a little bigger risk, but I think teams will go after it just as hard as before.

      • Mike1L 3 years ago

         It’s really hard to figure.  There’s both an economic and emotional component.  Do you go all in at the trade deadline when you might get nothing more than a one and done. 

        • stl_cards16 3 years ago

          Absolutely, but it’s always been that way.  There are plenty of teams that have went “all in” and not even made the playoffs.  It’s not as if making the playoffs/Wild Card was a given before, even if you made a big trade.

    • slider32 3 years ago

      GMs are just jockeying for position with the new CBA. They are still trying to put a value on the rental players mostly, since their are no draft picks involved. It will be interesting to see where players like Hamels, Greinke, Garza, Dempster,Upton, and Shields go. I would think teams will have to give up much more for Shields, Upton, and Garza since they will be under control.

      • Mike1L 3 years ago

         I agree.  The change in draft pick compensation makes it interesting.  If you are the selling GM, and you are willing to make a qualifying offer, you figure you have either the player in your pocket, or the two draft picks (unless this is a pure salary dump).  So, the price should be higher than two draft picks.   But it’s can’t be too much higher, because the buyer is only getting a rental and nothing else beyond that.  So, what do you value a Hamels or a Grienke at?  It’s a game of chicken. 

        • JayTeam 3 years ago

          Only 1 draft pick compensation in the new CBA. Forfeited pick by signing team does not go to the team losing the player. 

  11. HARRISON ROSE 3 years ago

    Come on, like the Marlins are REALLY gonna trade Stanton or JJ??

    • stl_cards16 3 years ago

      That’s just “Buster being Buster”

      • andy 3 years ago

        I think this was just a setup for an entertaining episode of The Franchise

  12. Dodgersarelife 3 years ago

    Ned call up the marlins about Hanley!!!! Come on down to L.A Hanley you can play shortstop here we don’t care! Zach Lee, Eovaldi, Pederson, and Gould for Rameriz and one of them hot Miami chicks.

  13. hawkny1 3 years ago

    MLB would be smart to move the Marlins to Orlando. 
    This move would create statewide accessibility for Floridians and immediate access for Disney World tourists. 

    At the same time, move the Rays up to Charlotte, NC where there are 5,000,000-6,000,000 fans to draw from below the Mason-Dixon line, north of Atlanta and east of St. Louis.  Tampa’s stadium location in St Pete. is simply too driver inaccessible to ever be successful even with a top 4 team playing homes games there. Other spots to consider for MLB expansion?  Oklahoma City, Vancouver, Portland, OR and Las Vegas. Teams in two of these cities would raise MLB’s total to 32, 16 in each league (and, hopefully 8 in each regionally based division)

    • largefarva 3 years ago

      Portland couldn’t hold a minor league team. It’s too saturated with that sport called “soccer”.

    • Dylan 3 years ago

      Now is not exactly a good time to talk about moving the Miami Marlins my friend.

    • HenryLear 3 years ago

      Or……you could move the TAMPA Bay Rays to TAMPA. Its ridiculous how baseball fans around the country think the Rays dont have fans. They do. TV ratings prove it. St Petersburg is basically a city-sized nursing home. A stadium in downtown, or at the fairgrounds, would draw 25-30k a night. Its not so much the physical lowsiness of the stadium, its the fact its located a solid hour-hour 1/2 from the majority of the fan base.

      • hawkny1 3 years ago

        I understand your point and have heard the same from countless others…but as they say, “The horse is out of the barn”.  Maybe they could turn the clock back and get the White Sox to play some of their home games in St. Pete while convincing Eisner, at Disney, to build a new stadium next to fantasy world, or whatever its called.

  14. Michael Brown 3 years ago

    Enough, enough. Wren needs to swing a deal to bring Infante back for the stretch run. 

    DFA Wilson when AS gets off the DL. 

  15. rsanchez1 3 years ago

    Before we get carried away here, it is Marlins policy to listen to any player, just in case there’s a team that’s willing to overpay. While I do agree that it is ridiculous to trade Giancarlo, think about the kind of pieces it will take to overpay for Giancarlo. If Beane couldn’t pry him away with Gio Gonzalez, it’s gonna take a lot of talent to acquire Stanton.

  16. DempseyK 3 years ago

    If Stanton is available,  I would make the deal work if Im Pittsburgh.

    Pirates get:  Giancarlo Stanton and Emilio Bonafacio

    Marlins get:  Jameson Taillon, Starling Marte, Jeff Locke, Brian Friday, Zack Von Rosenberg and Evan Meek

    Would be a bigtime overpayment, but that deal addresses 2 holes for the Buccos roster.  Bonafacio moves back to Shortstop and puts Clint Barmes on the bench.

    • If Stanton truly does become available the Pirates need to somehow make it happen i would only deem Cole untouchable and everyone else would be in play

  17. JayTeam 3 years ago

    GM’s don’t make deals dependent on which teams their fans do or don’t like. 

  18. mgsports 3 years ago

    Orlando needs a MLB/NHL/NFL/MLS and WNBA team back.
     Marlins and Rays will be buyers.
    Add Monterrey,Mexico,San Jose,Jacksonville and Hawaii to the list.

  19. macdice 3 years ago

    Maybe Jack Z might reconsider trading Felix if Stanton is in play

  20.  Says the Cubs fan

  21. erm016 3 years ago

    Overrated. 

  22. rainyperez 3 years ago

    The amount of power he has and how young he is means he’s not overrated. 

  23. Guest 3 years ago

    Not bad but i’d have a hard time seeing Andrew Friedman sending a guy to Texas with 2+ years of control for a team friendly value & AL East proven without receiving a Mike Olt or a Martin Perez. 

  24. derekmac6 3 years ago

    Probably too much to give up when you consider that a healthy Feliz may give you something comparable to what Shields could

  25. slider32 3 years ago

    The Rays aren’t going to deal with one  of their biggest rivials in the AL.

  26. Guest 3 years ago

    You got to give up talent to get talent. 

    “Probably too much to give up when you consider what a healthy Feliz may give you something comparable to what Shields could”. 

    The key word there is “healthy”, and so far the experiment of stretching him out has been not so good, and i’m not talking numbers wise. I think he is better suited in the bullpen. 

  27. Dylan 3 years ago

    Why is everyone LA bound all of a sudden?

    Quick, Dodgers have money they will sign EVERYBODY and their brothers.

  28. HenryLear 3 years ago

    How could you make such a definitive prediction about FOUR years from now? How exactly would he fit in between recently extended Kemp, Ethier, and Yasel Puig?

  29. rsanchez1 3 years ago

    Yeah, this guy loves to troll the Sun Sentinel comments, he just has nothing better to do than hate on the Marlins ever since ’03.

  30. Stanton’s from Cali.  Not a big fan of Florida.

  31. alexw2840 3 years ago

    Don’t think the Rays haven’t forgotten the playoffs the last 2 years.

  32. gnats 3 years ago

    TB sees Texas as a rival; Texas does not see Tampa Bay as a rival.  It’s sort of like when Texas fans back in 96-99 thought NYY was their biggest rival, and the Yankees thought nothing of Texas. 

    Many Rays fans really dislike the Rangers.

  33. Dylan 3 years ago

    I guess I missed him coming out saying he doesn’t like Florida.

  34. alexw2840 3 years ago

    I’m not saying they’re rivals, but if you think the Rays aren’t going to be a little more motivated or emotional if they meet them in the playoffs again, you are sadly mistaken :)

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