David Price Rumors: Thursday

There has been much speculation about a David Price trade this winter but very little hard information about interested teams.  CBS Sports' Jon Heyman explores the seemingly quiet Price trade market in his wrap-up of the latest news about the Rays southpaw…

  • "Five or six" teams have made offers involving Price but the Rays haven't seen anything that piques their interest.  The Rays "seem slightly shocked" that they haven't received better offers and people within the organization are now discussing keeping Price through at least the start of the season.
  • Taijuan Walker seems to be an untouchable for the Mariners, with a Mariners source telling Heyman that "Taijuan Walker will be on our roster come Opening Day."  Another M's source says Seattle would prefer to keep both Walker and James Paxton, and instead trade young position players for Price.  A Rays official hinted that Seattle could offer an acceptable trade package without Walker, with Heyman noting that Paxton and Mike Zunino would seem to be logical candidates.
  • "Tampa Bay's position is that they need one huge prospect or at least a trio of very good ones" for Price, so a Mariners offer based around the likes of Dustin Ackley, Nick Franklin and Justin Smoak wouldn't be enough to get it done.
  • The Royals have "had mostly just internal talks on Price" and haven't exchanged any "meaningful dialogue" with the Rays about a possible trade.  That said, Heyman notes that Kansas City has the prospect depth to make a trade possible, though Price's rising salary through arbitration over the next two seasons makes a deal a "tall order," according to one Royals source.
  • Trading Price within the AL East is "not ideal," according to one Rays source, though the idea wasn't dismissed outright.  I'd guess that Tampa Bay would want an even higher premium for Price from a division rival than they would from a non-AL East club.


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121 Comments on "David Price Rumors: Thursday"


Jonathan Barlock
1 year 8 months ago

Its a high Price to pay Mariners

Tony Matias
1 year 8 months ago

Lame! But I “liked” it anyways. 😉

MilkMeMore
1 year 8 months ago

I wonder how a team that sent in a trade proposal(obviously not wanting to let go of their prospects) feel if david price pitches better than his 2012 stats and miss the play offs by a game or two. Just curious hmm

1 year 8 months ago

They won’t feel worse than the Tigers who traded John Smoltz for Doyle Alexander. Alexander got the Tigers into the playoffs, where they were bounced in the first round. Then they had to watch Smoltz pitch like the Hall of Famer he is for 20 years.
You are not trading for Price, you are paying for an expensive two year rental.

MrSativa
1 year 8 months ago

Price’s agent has made it very clear they will sign a multi now if the numbers are right. I get the sense that a low of people feel Price will be washed up after 2 years.

Msclmn1722
1 year 8 months ago

Price ends up in St Louis

Only room for Adams or Taveras to start.
Ellis brought in to “compete” with Wong.
A dozen MLB ready SP

They’ve got tons of expendable pieces and need a LHP in the rotation
Perfect fit!

Ji Qi
1 year 8 months ago

why not Price to Boston for XB, JBJ and some other prospects? Boston need an Ace.

1 year 8 months ago

Boston has 2 and John Lackey.

redsox4434
1 year 8 months ago

Actually I wouldn’t say we have an ace. But six no. 3 starters seemed to work out just fine.

1 year 8 months ago

I think 1.51 ERA over 14 starts constitutes calling someone an ace. Buchholz has the potential to be an American League Maddux.

alphabet_soup5
1 year 8 months ago

An ace was never made from 14 starts. Once he gets top 3 Cy votes and pitches 200+ innings consistently I’ll consider calling him an ace.

1 year 8 months ago

Dozens of Major League pitchers have had a season where they didn’t pitch a full season and then comes back and becomes an ace. Projection and potential say ace. Only time will tell.

alphabet_soup5
1 year 8 months ago

True. It is possible Bucholz becomes an ace, but I wouldn’t say it’s likely.

He turns 30 next season & his velocity has been on the decline the last few seasons; he can still hit 95mph, but his average velocity has declined every year since 2010. Only time will tell but I doubt Bucholz will ever get a top 3 Cy vote.

Plus his career ERA is 3.60, compared to a 4.07 FIP.

Jeffy25
1 year 8 months ago

He won’t be an ace until he is the best pitcher in the sox rotation.

Ya know, that whole definition thing

1 year 8 months ago

His numbers are better than the rest of the staff. He has a better arsenal than the others. If you can post that ERA at Fenway, you probably better than your teammates.

paqza
1 year 8 months ago

Yeah, I think you’ve got the definition wrong. Schilling was still an “ace” pitching behind the “Big Unit” and Greinke’s still an “ace” pitching behind Kershaw. I agree that the Red Sox don’t have one yet.

Victoria Roberts
1 year 8 months ago

We don’t need an ace enough to trade two starting position players for him.

jmcbosox
1 year 8 months ago

no way jose.

redsox4434
1 year 8 months ago

The Red Sox are not trading their best prospects, who are filling holes left on the team from the departure of Ellsbury and the impending departure of Drew, to their closest playoff rival in the division. That is preposterous.

1 year 8 months ago

If the Red Sox are going to make a trade it has to be for a three hole hitter. I don’t know if Dusty can be that guy forever.

zeles
1 year 8 months ago

Insert Giancarlo Stanton proposal.

1 year 8 months ago

Exactly. We have the prospects. Package Middlebrooks.

zeles
1 year 8 months ago

A bucket of balls has more value than Middlebrooks right now.

1 year 8 months ago

Mike Trout went through similar struggles when he debuted. So did Eric Hosmer last year. I’m not saying he has that high of a ceiling as Trout but .280 BA with 35 home runs is pretty good.

zeles
1 year 8 months ago

Middlebrooks hitting .280 with 35 HR’s would be a miracle.

I’d be suprised at this point if his OBP goes over 300 and his HR # hits the 25 mark.

1 year 8 months ago

He batted .288 with 15 home runs through 267 at bats before he broke his hand. Projected that’s a .288 BA 88 runs, 34 Doubles, 33 home runs and 105 RBI with 600 at bats. Will he do that next year? Probably not. Will he impove? Yes.

MilkMeMore
1 year 8 months ago

that is projected remember players go through slumps remember albert pujols and josh hamilton how many homers in the first half ? or even this year with chris davis (i hope that is the player lol )

1 year 8 months ago

Then how do you explain Miguel Cabrera. He only slumped because he got hurt. Slumps aren’t a guarantee, but neither are projections

Jeffy25
1 year 8 months ago

Potential or a pipe dream?

Middle doesn’t have the contact rates to do that

1 year 8 months ago

You right. I forgot baseball players never get better. They are the same for their 15 year careers. Every one of them.

bryce1344
1 year 8 months ago

Cards could trade Taveras and Martinez and not miss a beat. They have other good young outfielders and Martinez will find it hard to win a starting spot and is slated as a setup guy this year. Cards won’t deal Wacha, Miller or Rosenthal.

mrnatewalter
mrnatewalter
1 year 8 months ago

So, lets say they trade for David Price… what’s their rotation? Who’s the odd guy out?

bryce1344
1 year 8 months ago

First of all, Cards are highly unlikely to make that trade but if they did it would be after they determine that Garcia is not able to make a comeback. Starting rotation of Wainwright, Price, Wacha, Miller and Lynn.

1 year 8 months ago

Felix Hernandez, David Price, Hisashi Iwakuma, James Paxton & Danny Hultzen or James Paxton. Trade the odd man out.

mrnatewalter
mrnatewalter
1 year 8 months ago

I was referring to St. Louis,

1 year 8 months ago

Oh my bad.

jdsmith84
1 year 8 months ago

Seattle has 2 guys named James Paxton?

1 year 8 months ago

Oops.

Jeffy25
1 year 8 months ago

Stop with this

Price has no shot of being a cardinal.

The cards won’t do it. Even if they have the pieces, they are ran too well to do this.

MrSativa
1 year 8 months ago

This very well may happen since LA is trying to do something stupid to get Price. Price on LA makes that staff just plain nasty.

1 year 8 months ago

I think the Rays should deal with the Mariners. Mariners give up Justin Smoak, Jesus Montero, Nick Franklin or Brad Miller and LHP Tyler Pike for David Price and a throw in player. The Rays need offense and somehow have the ability to make good hitters great hitters.

MilkMeMore
1 year 8 months ago

they just signed loney though why the need for smoak ? just because they are good at it doesnt mean they should accept a bunch of coal hoping to find some diamonds

1 year 8 months ago

They need a DH. Smoak is a switch hitter with power and whatever they are doing in Seattle isn’t working for him. The Rays can make him better.

MilkMeMore
1 year 8 months ago

lol reminds me of carlos pena to be honest

Jeffy25
1 year 8 months ago

No team needs to give up an ace for a Dh…..because no team needs a Dh like that.

The_Unnatural
1 year 8 months ago

That’s a massive overpay for maybe 2 wins over a FA starter. The M’s should just forget about Price and sign Garza or Jimenez or something. I’d rather give Ramirez another shot than give up loads of talent for two years of Price.

Gop5
1 year 8 months ago

It may sound like an overpay, but really, it’s not. Fact is, Franklin is now blocked, Smoak hasn’t panned out, and if you give up Pike, he’d be blocked anyways by a rotation that would include one of the best in baseball with Hernandez, Price, Kuma, Walker, and Paxton with Beavan and Maurer waiting, and Hultzen still a possibility in ’15. So actually, they’d be trading their guys that are blocked at the major league level anyways.

The only problem with his trade is that the Rays won’t accept Smoak, Montero, Franklin, and Pike. One of Walker, Zunino, and Paxton will have to be included, if not Zunino and Paxton….and that’s where I would balk if I was the Mariners. Offer something close to the same package with Romero to the Phillies and get Lee. Hernandez, Lee, Kuma, Walker, Paxton sounds way better than Price, especially when considering that you’d keep your best prospects.

The_Unnatural
1 year 8 months ago

It’s still an overpay. Just because a player is “blocked” doesn’t make them less valuable. Miller is our SS. Franklin can always learn a new position. To be honest, I don’t even really want Price. He’s good, but he’s not a monster, and I know it will cost more than I’m comfortable with.

Gop5
1 year 8 months ago

I agree he’s not less valuable. But he has nowhere to play. He’s already not projected as a SS, and he won’t play OF or 1B, so he’s not really a good candidate for a utility role. I totally agree that he isn’t less valuable, I just think that they would be better of trading for another position of need for him….like a reliever or closer. I love Franklin, and I didn’t want them to sign Cano because of him….but now that Cano is there for 10 years, he’s a bench player and he’s more valuable than that. Might as well cash in on that now.

Personally, I think they should have traded for Fielder since he could DH/1B, Make that trade along with one for maybe Lee, and all of the sudden maybe Ellsbury likes the idea of Seattle. You get Ellsbury and Fielder for the price of Cano, add Lee and another RH bat to protect Fielder. Maybe still Hart and LoMo.

Lineup of: CF Ellsbury, 2B Franklin/ Ackley, DH Fielder, RF Hart, 1B Smoak, LF LoMo, C Zunino, CF Saunders, SS Miller

Rotation: Hernandez, Lee, Kuma, Walker, Paxton

The_Unnatural
1 year 8 months ago

Why trade Franklin for a reliever when they grow on trees? Just tell Franklin to start practicing the OF and throw him in AAA for a few months. There’s no way this team could afford to carry Felix, Ellsbury, Cliff Lee, and Prince Fielder. That’s like $80MM with 21 other positions to fill.

Gop5
1 year 8 months ago

It’s a lot, but the Mariners also don’t have anyone that costs money, and won’t for a long time (at least until those big contracts were off the books). You’d have the big contracts, but Walker, Paxton, Zunino, Seager, Miller, Franklin, and Saunders won’t be making much more than league minimum until around 2018. By then, Lee and Fielder would have been off the books, with Ellsbury shortly after. And, the Mariners can easily get to $110 M payroll.

raffish
1 year 8 months ago

I got the feeling that Lee wasn’t too wild about pitching in Seattle. He went to Philadelphia for the environment, something Seattle didn’t have to offer. Hamels would be the guy I’d want. Paxton, Franklin, + for Hamels… that might work. I don’t know.

Jeffy25
1 year 8 months ago

You have made my head hurt

Gop5
1 year 8 months ago

My apologies…for whichever part caused the ache.

wadesawko
1 year 8 months ago

And we clear some roster space. I would like to see Cliff Lee back for a full season without injuries. Still kills me we traded him to Texas and didn’t get Chris Davis instead of Smoak. Or if Franklin goes to Toronto, bring back another former Mariner in Brandon Morrow.

Koby2
1 year 8 months ago

Royals even talking about Price? What universe did I wake up in?

Seamaholic
1 year 8 months ago

Teams are starting to get wise to the “many good prospects for one great player nearing free agency” scam. The Shields deal might have been the last of the breed. Whether high prospects are now overvalued (probably) or not, I don’t think the Rays are going to get their mother lode from anyone.

Mike LaRose
1 year 8 months ago

I get your point but people say they same thing about teams giving players big, long contracts but yet they keep happening. All you need is a desperate GM and those prospects for star player deals will still happen.

Gop5
1 year 8 months ago

I agree on both, I think both will be coming to an end very soon. I think that the Shields-Myers deal is going to be the end of giving up top prospects for a rental, and I think Pujols and Hamilton are going to be the last couple of straws for long term contracts with a lot of money. I don’t put Seattle and Cano in that because they had to overpay in order to start being relevant, much like the Nats did with Werth at the time.

Also, I bet Price gets traded only when the team can work out an extension with him first. I think the Mariners actually would have considered giving up Walker if Price agreed long term first. Much easier to give up a top prospect when you know you’d have Hernandez and Price pitching long-term, and even better if Kuma was there long term.

AceRuby
1 year 8 months ago

The R.A. Dickey deal also netted quite the haul for the Mets it was pretty similar to the Shields deal.

Chris Koch
1 year 8 months ago

Add to the Grienke deal the Angels made. How bad could the Angels use Jean Segura?

I think also money is an issue. Taking in the expensive guys while giving up 3years of super inexpensive ML quality players?
Honestly, Tampa isn’t in a great position here with the teams that are linked to him. They aren’t the types that can take in Price’s salary this year and then next year’s which will be what? 20mil?

Dawson Carlson
1 year 8 months ago

I think there was a pretty good Fangraphs+ post on this a couple days ago

Seamaholic
1 year 8 months ago

The Rays don’t really need offense unless you’re talking about a real star. They have at least a decent player at all 8 positions and the only thing they could probably use is a DH. But there are better options than Smoak and Montero.

1 year 8 months ago

Even Longoria and Wil Myers don’t justify a good offense. Ben Zobrist is the only other player that is above average offensively. James Loney was good and a plus defender, but Matt Joyce, Desmond Jennings, Yunel Escobar, Ryan Hanigan have not been productive offensively.

WilMyers'BatFlip
1 year 8 months ago

What are you talking about?!? Those guys are clearly not Miguel Cabrerra, Trout, CarGo, etc but every Rays position except catcher has an above average offensive contributor. And only half a dozen teams are lucky enough to get big offensive productions from the C spot (Posey, Molina, Santana, Castro, Lucroy, maybe AJ on a good year)

Player / wOBA / wRC+
Loney 339 118
Jennings 330 112
Joyce 330 112
Escobar 311 101
DeJesus 326 110

Gop5
1 year 8 months ago

Most teams have a “decent” starting lineup. The Rays and Mariners actually match up well with a trade, just not for what the Rays want right now. I’m sure the Rays would love to have Zunino, Franklin, Smoak, and someone like Pike.

But, teams are starting to see it’s a bad deal to trade for a rental. Giving up Segura for a couple of months with Greinke, Myers for Shields. If teams aren’t giving up their prospects now, they aren’t going to get more by holding onto him and making his time under control even less. Maybe someone gets desperate, but I don’t see it happening. And, I sure hope it’s not the Mariners. I’d much rather have Walker, Paxton, and Zunino long term. Go trade much less talent and get Lee.

drwheelock
1 year 8 months ago

I totally agree on “Go trade much less talent and get Lee”, or even Hamels. That won’t require a Walker/Paxton OR Zunino. I say whatever of those 3 SPs they can land without giving up Walker/Paxton OR Zunino is the player Seattle needs to go after and pursue.

I just think TB will end up getting a great package from Seattle without Seattle having to give up Walker/Paxton or Zunino.

Gop5
1 year 8 months ago

Right, I agree. I just think Lee would be more beneficial overall. Price is amazing, but he’s going to cost way more than Lee, and, I actually think Lee would be a great mentor to their younger pitchers on top of being amazing too, especially Paxton and Hultzen whose style is more like Lee’s than Price’s. Between Paxton and Hultzen learning from Lee and Walker learning from Hernandez….man, that’d be dangerous.

Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
1 year 8 months ago

If the Royals were going to trade for David Price, they would have done it last year.
Instead, they got Shields.

The Mariners would be not be wise to trade for Price.
Price had a slightly off year and he did lose a bit of velocity during the season.
Maybe by the season end it was back, but who really knows since no one really talks about it. All anyone wants (well some) is a super huge trade to talk about.
That’s not good for baseball imo. Also, if the Rays can’t afford an extension with Price, why should a team bail them out? If you really want him, patience is critical here! That and see if he’s still healthy by the time free agency rolls around, then get him!

Benjamin Isaac Davis
1 year 8 months ago

Exactly!!! Screw the Rays’! Walker, Paxton, and Zunino aren’t going anywhere! Why trade for an injured 2year rental ace when he’s not interested in negotiating a contract and yet Tampa is asking for the moon! Lol well they can keep asking. Franklin is gonna be a stud. So is Brad Miller. That’s our future core. And Nick could probably be turned into a super utility like Ben Zobrist with a better bat and less defense.

KJ4realz
1 year 8 months ago

Granted Dayton Moore is an idiot, but if I were the Rays and I have a track record of getting really good return on players… Yeah, I’d keep asking for the moon.

Gop5
1 year 8 months ago

Yeah, I agree with Miller being part of the core along with Walker, Paxton, and Zunino, but Franklin is gone. I think maybe Ackley becomes a utility guy since he’s already played IF and OF. I guess Franklin could be a utility guy, but they’re better off trading him to help with other needs since he’s probably their best realistic trade piece.

KingofKauff
1 year 8 months ago

Not to be mister obvious, but why would they trade Price without Walker.

Gop5
1 year 8 months ago

I don’t think that’s obvious at all, and they would because the Mariners talked about a package around Zunino….which is one position the Rays don’t have anyone long term at, and Zunino could be one of the best. Realistically, if the Mariners built a package starting with Zunino, Franklin, Smoak, and Pike….it wouldn’t be far off, since the real question is who is really going to offer them a better prospect?

They got Myers from KC last year (which I’m sure KC regrets and most teams know that), they aren’t getting Profar, they aren’t getting Tavares. Teams watch the Cardinals and realize saving prospects works out better, and teams know the Rays can’t afford Price and have to trade him so they aren’t going to blown away. Especially after the Segura-Greinke deal and now the Shields-Myers deal.

So to answer the question of why wouldn’t you trade Price without Walker, it’s because they probably can’t get anywhere near that for a return this time around. And, the longer they hold out, the less the return will be. Especially if Price goes around saying he won’t sign an extension with the new team.

The_Unnatural
1 year 8 months ago

The M’s never brought up Zunino, it’s just speculation. The M’s aren’t trading Zunino.

fatdaddy
1 year 8 months ago

seriously. all these mariners fans on here are hilarious with suggestions of Smoak, Franklin, Ackley, etc. all failing prospects that are destined to be DFA soon anyways. Walker is absolutely necessary for any deal involving Price. Anything less than that might get you Hellickson, but not Price.

Benjamin Isaac Davis
1 year 8 months ago

Franklin just got a cup of coffee and already he’s a failed prospect. Alright you lost all credibility to this conversation. Have fun getting scraps for Price from someone else at the deadline.

PittsburghPirates0022
1 year 8 months ago

Rays want like an entire teams core for price. Asked CLE for Salazar, Santana and more

jmcbosox
1 year 8 months ago

I never really understood why trading within the division wasn’t “ideal”. The idea of the trade is to gain an advantage over your competitors, receiving a division rivals highly regarded prospects hinders that team and could vastly improve yours. That coupled with the fact that there is no guarantee to Price signing an extension with the new team make it even more desirable.

GRN_
1 year 8 months ago

And losing Price doesn’t hinder the rays for prospects that may or may not have an impact in the next 2 years? Pretty sure this vastly improves the team that acquires Price immediately.

jmcbosox
1 year 8 months ago

definitely. but by trading price for prospects kinda throws the towel in for the season anyway, no?

GRN_
1 year 8 months ago

They were still tough without Sheilds , they’ll remain competitive without Price as well but ofcourse losing two aces back to back wouldn’t make them favourites.

AceRuby
1 year 8 months ago

The Rays retool their teams fairly quickly every year and still have made the playoffs for the past few years now they will be fine.

acottonshirt
1 year 8 months ago

Rays are also in somewhat of a “win now” mode and trading Price in the division makes it harder for them to win it. Obviously they would like to keep him and win with him, but they know they can’t afford to do that. And while taking prospects from your division rivals COULD hurt them, there is a great chance that it won’t as well.

jephdood
1 year 8 months ago

Rays are expecting too much for just two years of Price.

start_wearing_purple
start_wearing_purple
1 year 8 months ago

Price is a lefty ace in a tough division with playoff experience. I’d say asking for the moon is fairly justified.

mrnatewalter
mrnatewalter
1 year 8 months ago

Danny Salazar, Carlos Santana, and Francisco Lindor? Those three were all asked from Cleveland…

Tampa Bay has a better shot at getting 20,000 in Tropicana Field than they do getting that return for Price.

KJ4realz
1 year 8 months ago

It’s called negotiating. Plus, if I were the Rays and just got Myers less than a year ago, I’d be asking for the moon every time. I understand that was most likely a fluke deal, but what’s the worst that can happen asking for the moon? You have to settle for a few stars instead? I’d take that

mrnatewalter
mrnatewalter
1 year 8 months ago

The Rays got Wil Myers and Odorizzi, a premium prospect, and a good prospect.

Asking for a highly rated 1B/C/DH in Santana, a young stud like Salazar and a premium prospect in Lindor is just absurd.

What’s wrong with asking for the moon every time? Sometimes guys hang up the phone, and they hang up the phone for good.

AceRuby
1 year 8 months ago

And you act like Wil Myers wasn’t one of the best prospects in baseball last year I mean he was only in the top 10 of every respectable baseball prospect list. The Rays have every right to ask for one of the best prospects of any team they are negotiating with as they are dealing one of the best pitchers in baseball.

mrnatewalter
mrnatewalter
1 year 8 months ago

I acknowledged that Myers was a premium prospect… those were my exact words. Not once did I say anything about Myers’ performance or abilities, just that he was a premium prospect.

Dynasty22
1 year 8 months ago

You do know that a Rays “source” refuted that rumor, right? It’s probably just Cleveland’s way of saying “We tried but they asked for too much”.

KJ4realz
1 year 8 months ago

And then you have 28 other teams still out there with the lines still connected.

If the Rays don’t balk at lowering the price, than sure hang up and block their number, but I’m sure the Rays would be willing to listen for other offers.

If I were any other team, though, I’d probably not want to deal with the Rays at all anyway.

mrnatewalter
mrnatewalter
1 year 8 months ago

No one will deal 3-4 of their prospects for him.

KJ4realz
1 year 8 months ago

Because you say so?

Kansas City just did it.
Texas did it for 3 months of Garza.

The odds are in Tampa’s favor.

WilMyers'BatFlip
1 year 8 months ago

That’s the cost for a proven Ace. This isn’t a vacuum, Price is HUGELY better to the current FA alternatives. 28 year old Cy Young winners just don’t go on the open market. Even middle market teams lock them up right quick (Felix, Wainright, Verlander, etc) A team like the Cards doesn’t have to make a deal since they are stacked with pitching, but teams like M’s, D-Backs, LAA, TX who NEED better pitching to contend. Would you rather two years of Price at $30m and a possible extension if it goes well, or 5 years of Garza/Santana at almost $100m? You have to give up something of value to get something of value

AceRuby
1 year 8 months ago

Friedman is just as good as Beane when it comes to getting value for players so its no surprise that the Rays always for the most part get great deals for their players.

javywoz
1 year 8 months ago

That rumor has already been shot down. Didn’t happen.

Sufferfortribe
1 year 8 months ago

Why would the Mariners even think about trading Zunino?

drwheelock
1 year 8 months ago

They won’t. Zunino is not going anywhere, nor is Walker or Paxton. And I’m still confident with guys Seattle will make avail we will land one of Price/Lee/Hamels/Scherzer…and Tanaka “if” posted.