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Per The Big Lead, Barry Bonds has been indicted for perjury and obstruction of justice. Keep in mind that if Bonds is convicted of perjury, he could get several months of jail time.
Rob Becker does a nice job of breaking down this situation. He considers five years in prison the worst possible outcome for Bonds (even if found guilty of all charges). Most likely he'll get little or no prison time, since he doesn't have a criminal record and may plea bargain.
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He should threaten not to show up for court unless the asterisk is removed from that ball.
Posted by: Land-Man | November 15, 2007 at 04:29 PM
haha barry bonds finally out. now we can move to a place where the homerun kings are not completely steroids, and the game is a bit more even.
Posted by: bronxie | November 15, 2007 at 04:32 PM
Yeah, because, with his steroids, Bonds and his giants have been crushing everyone...
Posted by: Mykenk | November 15, 2007 at 04:33 PM
I think the predictions by some GMs that he will be in jail instead of playing baseball appear more likely.
Posted by: Kramerica Industries | November 15, 2007 at 04:33 PM
It finally happened.
It'll be interesting to hear what weird comments Bonds will make.
Posted by: vegasneedsbaseball | November 15, 2007 at 04:36 PM
Indictment is a long way from conviction.
This indictment did not come easy. They have had grand jury's looking at this thing for about 30 years (or so it seems).
Bet the guy will still be playing baseball in 08. However, you can guarantee any contract he signs will have major out clauses based off convictions or damning information that could really hurt the integrity of the team or game.
Posted by: bjsguess | November 15, 2007 at 04:43 PM
It's the government. Their conviction rate is somewhere north of 95%. They don't indict unless they've got you.
Posted by: Mykenk | November 15, 2007 at 04:47 PM
The fitting part about this is on the mlb site, it says "Bonds Indicted". Right below it is an article from Bud Selig stating "MLB is healthier than ever".
Posted by: cashew | November 15, 2007 at 04:47 PM
"Bonds to join Feds' lineup for 2008-2010."
Posted by: Flatley | November 15, 2007 at 04:48 PM
The unfortunate truth..
Steroids existed long before Barry Bonds and will continue to exist long after...
Jose was right...
Posted by: zito4cyyoung | November 15, 2007 at 04:51 PM
***justice***
Posted by: IowaCubs | November 15, 2007 at 04:54 PM
Next headline: Bonds headed to federal POUND me in the ASS prison.
Posted by: Chillin | November 15, 2007 at 05:04 PM
man, selig really hated him huh
Posted by: 04Forever | November 15, 2007 at 05:08 PM
My pick of Retirement for Bonds in "Hot Stove Hysteria" is looking a lot better now...
Posted by: call_me_chipper | November 15, 2007 at 05:10 PM
If a trial is held in the summer, and Bonds is found not guilty, I can see him catching on with a team the final 2 months of the season.
Posted by: cords | November 15, 2007 at 05:11 PM
bonds is guilty though, besides even if he isnt, he will be baseballs OJ Simpson. Wow so all that crap with Mark Ecko and the asterisk is really going to make him look liks an ass now
Posted by: 04Forever | November 15, 2007 at 05:18 PM
YES!!!!!
Posted by: metafrantic | November 15, 2007 at 05:27 PM
"He will soon in all likelihood surpass Aaron's career mark of 755 homers."
Wow, great fact checking by AP.
Posted by: mind_vs_body | November 15, 2007 at 05:34 PM
ahaha, I just saw that too. Maybe they had this article written months ago assuming the inevitable. Then all they did was press the "send" button.
Posted by: Chillin | November 15, 2007 at 05:41 PM
Could we now here from the "he's never been charged with anything" asswipes?
Posted by: WestPeoriaMatt | November 15, 2007 at 05:51 PM
Olney: A-Rod, Yankees agree to $270 million deal with millions in incentives
Posted by: buehrlebro | November 15, 2007 at 05:53 PM
Wow, 04forever, did you actually compare using performance enhancers with killing someone?
Lets see... hundreds of baseball players used performance enhancers. One football player killed his wife...
You are one sick individual.
Posted by: PapaGiorgio | November 15, 2007 at 05:54 PM
$275 million, 10 years, up to $25 million in incentives, apparently.
Posted by: buehrlebro | November 15, 2007 at 05:57 PM
Bonds should be able to serve his jail time in the offseason just like any other athlete.
The latest example I can think of is NHL player Mark Bell.
Posted by: Grant77 | November 15, 2007 at 06:11 PM
Mykenk - I think you need to check your facts again.
You mention that this is a government indictment, so it has a higher conviction rate. Umm ... every indictment is a government indictment. You don't indict people for civil penalties.
I couldn't find any recent statistics but I am 100% sure that 95% is not correct for indictment to conviction conversions.
Basically, an indictment is a one sided court case. The People (i.e. the Feds, State, etc) present their side of the case before a large grand jury. Defense lawyers are not present to object to questions. Defense lawyers are not allowed to present evidence. Basically all they can do is argue that certain evidence is to be excluded. Grand jury panels are free to ask questions to the witness or to the prosecutor.
The burden of proof is SIGNIFICANTLY lower for an indictment. Just ask OJ. He was indicted but not convicted. It happens all of the time. Indictments generally lead to pleas rather than to convictions.
Posted by: bjsguess | November 15, 2007 at 06:13 PM
Most importantly, does this mean anybody who picked 'retirement' for Barry Bonds in hot stove hysteria gets the points?
Posted by: Teetz | November 15, 2007 at 06:25 PM
Finally. About 4-5 months too late though
Posted by: astralpanda | November 15, 2007 at 06:30 PM
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Posted by: TheWrightStuff | November 15, 2007 at 06:43 PM
He could face years of jail, not months.
Posted by: sockin | November 15, 2007 at 06:45 PM
He will be found guilty because he is a guilty b@stard. The Justice system will prevail and Barry will become somebodys Bubba. Be careful not to drop the soap Barry.
Posted by: themfightnwords | November 15, 2007 at 06:55 PM
Thank god, Now there shouldn't be a gm dumb enough to touch barroid bonds
Posted by: ozziethesaint | November 15, 2007 at 06:57 PM
BJguess - mykenk was close. Not govt indictment but Federal indictment rather than state - and the feds do have a 95% conviction rate since they have an endless budget and unlimited resources before indictment. They live off that level of conviction simply to get quick plea bargains ( ala mike vick ). State would not spend 4 yrs getting enough proof for a perjury charge - not cost effective. But Feds love flexing their muscle - they would have kept investigation open a decade just to be able to convict a perjuror. My guess is Bonds will listen to lawyer and plead out - maybe do a yr in fed pen. other wise he will end up getting 5+ yrs to set an example to everyone who wil lever testify before a fed grand jury to make certai nthey tell the truth
Posted by: touchmymonkey | November 15, 2007 at 07:01 PM
"I couldn't find any recent statistics but I am 100% sure that 95% is not correct for indictment to conviction conversions."
What I think the poster was referring to was FEDERAL CONVICTION rates. In that case HE IS DEAD RIGHT. Take it from a guy who has worked with the "g" on criminal cases. Put it to you this way, the "g" doesnt take a case unless they are pretty sure they are gonna get a conviction.
Cases in federal court are unlike anything most people in law enforcement have ever been involved with. They dont "f" around to use laymen's terms. In state cases, a DA will try between 5-10 cases in a week. A US attorney will try about 3-5 cases...a YEAR. Much, much more at stake than in state case, cant stress that enuff. Again, the indictment doesnt lay out the evidence just yet. My guess...someone from Barrys inner circle ( Anderson??) flipped.
Posted by: forlife61 | November 15, 2007 at 07:08 PM
He could serve "several months" of jail time? Try years. He was indicted for obstruction of justice, as well as perjury. There is very little leniency in punishment for federal charges. The feds will have many years of prison time hanging over his head, which is a big incentive to plead guilty to a lessor charge. That is one reason the feds have such a high conviction rate.
I don't think any team will touch Barry Bonds, the free agent, right now.
Posted by: CJ | November 15, 2007 at 07:35 PM
Agreed ... probability of conviction on a federal case is awfully high.
The last numbers I saw on the subject were from 2000 - 2005. In those years 95% of ALL Federal Cases led to defendants pleading guilty. Of those that did not plead guilt the conviction rate was almost 100%.
So, the most likely outcome, by far, is a guilty plea. If you choose to plead not guilty you have a very thin chance of beating the rap.
Posted by: bjsguess | November 15, 2007 at 07:46 PM
"So, the most likely outcome, by far, is a guilty plea. If you choose to plead not guilty you have a very thin chance of beating the rap."
Yes, and if you do go to trial and lose the "g" will slam you. The minimum sentencing guidelines are no joke.....and the judges NEVER give the defendant the minimum.
But this is Barry we are talking about, perhaps the most arrogant man ever known to sports and thats saying alot. In his mind he did nothing wrong. But then again, Vick is a total thug and even he was humbled once he walked in a federal courtroom....wait and see.
Posted by: forlife61 | November 15, 2007 at 08:13 PM
And the greatest player in the history of the game may finally be done...
Posted by: thechop5 | November 15, 2007 at 08:31 PM
hey the chop,
dont you mean the greatest cheater is finally done?
Posted by: ozziethesaint | November 15, 2007 at 08:46 PM
No, he was right the first time.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | November 15, 2007 at 11:32 PM
I don't know much about the law, but it would seem to me that Barry Bonds is not your typical defendant. The guy has financial resources that your normal joe public just does not have. He can get better representation than most of the people who comprise that 95% conviction rate.
It should be an interesting trial to follow, if there is one.
Posted by: wihargo | November 16, 2007 at 12:05 AM
Sorry Barroid Bonds cant even be discussed in the top players, much less be called the best player ever. He has forever stained the greatest record in all of sports by being a cheater. Selig needs to do the right thing and remove him from the record books. Henry Aaron should once again become the Home Run king of baseball!
Posted by: ozziethesaint | November 16, 2007 at 09:21 AM
The current speculation is that Bonds won't play next year. This is basically going to be too much of a distraction for a team to deal with, and will probably keep Bonds from getting ready for next season. I don't care if he actually did steroids or not, the guy's an asshole.
Posted by: Cynic81 | November 16, 2007 at 09:31 AM
gee, i wonder if he is going to be on that list of 11 players coming out in January?
PapaGiorgio, you misread me. Both men have forever tainted his respected career, either directly (Bonds)or indirectly (Simpson), Im not calling Bonds the level of a killer or a possibly armed robber, but he in a sense, pulled in OJ by ruining his career by doing something illegal and possibly needing to do jail time, apparently i need to clarify my metaphors for everyone on this subjet, apparently people are very sensitive about it
Posted by: 04Forever | November 16, 2007 at 09:50 AM
"Sorry Barroid Bonds cant even be discussed in the top players, much less be called the best player ever."
Of course he can. He's the best player ever. Yes, he cheated. That's obvious. That does not mean he's not the best player ever. And just to clue you in. Everyone cheated the past 10-15 years. Whenever you go to a MLB game, you are looking at tons of guys who cheated. Bonds is just the one taking the fall for it. And you know why, its because he was the best!
Posted by: thechop5 | November 16, 2007 at 02:35 PM
Bonds is taking the fall because he's an ignorant fucker that thought he was above the law. He knew he had cheated and still tried to lie his way out of it. He can never be discussed in the same breath as Hank Aaron, Babe Ruth, Ted Williams, Joe DiMaggio, Stan Musial, Ty Cobb, and so many other greats. Bonds without steroids would never have come close to Aaron's record. Henry Aaron is the Homerun King of baseball
Posted by: ozziethesaint | November 16, 2007 at 04:06 PM
Pride goeth before the fall. It's going to be good to see this jerk taken down a notch.
How long will it be before the Justice Brothers get involved in this? I see claims of discrimination being brought forth soon by the charlatan Jesse Jackson and his partner, hyena-breath Al Sharpton.
Posted by: HoratioAlgae | November 17, 2007 at 06:05 AM