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Khalil Greene's Future

Padres beat writer Corey Brock sums up the Khalil Greene situation on his blog.  Greene is due for free agency after the 2009 season, and it does not look like he wants to stay in San Diego longer than that.  Despite his Spicoli-like appearance he might prefer to play on the East Coast and/or in a more hitter friendly park.  He's 28, plays strong defense, and has a lot of power.  He has been a bit OBP-challenged, whether due to low batting averages, lack of walks, or both.  He's set to earn $4-5MM in '08.

Plenty of teams could use a shortstop like Greene: the Orioles, Royals, Angels, Nationals, Cubs, and Cardinals come to mind.  However the Padres have no replacement for him.  Erick Aybar, Felipe Lopez, and Ronny Cedeno are three possibilities where Towers could get a young shortstop in return (Lopez, less so).  Are any of those three a sufficient bounty for two years of Greene?  Pitching might have to be added to make it viable for San Diego.  Towers will be a lot less limited if he can acquire a good young shortstop in a separate deal.


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You mention Greene as a possible fit for Baltimore, and a few days ago there was mention that the Padres could use a corner OF. What about Greene to Baltimore for Jay Payton and either Freddie Bynum or Luis Hernandez? Payton's contract is somewhat unfriendly, but both players fill needs for the Padres.

There's been plenty of talk about the Pirates and Padres having discussions; I can see Greene included in them now. Say, a Jack Wilson, Nady and maybe cash for Greene and Barrett (though I still can't see why the Pirates are interested in the latter). Given the Padres habit of grabbing undervalued relievers, I might see somebody like Sharpless included in the deal, with maybe Stauffer headed the other direction, and the cash component adjusted accordingly.

With two more years of club control (2008, 2009) Greene won't be going anywhere unless the Padres get quality in return. i.e. not Jay Payton.

Cubs should offer SD either Cedeno or Theriot, Murton, and perhaps Weurtz for 2 yrs of Greene. Think SD takes the 3 for 1? they fill ss and corner OF and get arm for the pen. cubs get nice lineup of Sori, fukudome,lee,Aram,greene - pretty nice 1-5 and we can survive without those 3 offered. Would it be enough? or would VEal/gallegher be needed in there

Moving Greene for Aybar would be a no brainer for the Angels. Aybar has a great glove and will put up solid SS offensive numbers. He is cheap and has some opportunity to improve with time.

Greene would allow the Angels to shop Figgins knowing (or at least hoping) that Wood can play 3B. The Angels add some more pop into their lineup and won't have to worry about SS for 2 years.

2 years of Greene for Cedeno/Murton might work out well for both parties. SD wants an OF, and it'd be better for the Cubs than Byrd

The Royals could use the power upgrade(at any position), but I am not sure they have the depth to make a deal. I would love to see San Diego take Tony Pena Jr., Mitch Maier, and maybe a guy like LHP Matt Campbell! They would get a starting SS, an almost MLB ready corner OF, and a LHP who will only be 25 this year (former 1st round pick).

Greene/Barrett/??? for Wilson/Bay/??? makes a lot of sense to me. The Padres get good D in exchange for Khalil, and give the Bucs some pop in exchange for Bay, whom the Padres really like. Prospects or arms could even that deal out. The Pirates are a great call, Devish.

The Halos make sense, too. They have a glut of OFers and the Padres could use one (Matthews, Willits, ???), but is Aybar the real deal? I've never seen him play.

Tim, did you read the writeup BP had about Spicoli? Very interesting...among other things it stated that he, more than any other hitter in the MLB, is negatively effected by his home ballpark. If you extrapolate his road splits, he'd be a completely different hitter.

On the padres website it shows khalil greene as not active along with macier izturis on the angels website... Trade?? Tim can you clarify?

Aybar and Willits for Greene is a no brainer, and a deal I would pull in a heartbeat. You still have Izturis to back up Greene, and if need be, you can shop Figgins (as someone said before). You are also helpting to alleviate the problem of too many outfielders in Anaheim.

Tim any update?

how about the Red Sox? Greene for Lugo and/or Crisp plus a prospect or two (Jed Lowrie, Justin Masterson). San Diego might throw in a prospect to even it out or take on Lugo's salary.

halosfan--
where are you looking? It looked like they were both active to me.

on the padres main website...click on Khalil Greene, it will say Current Status: ussually it will say current status: Active

huh... interesting. it looked like those were the only two, also. weird.
well, if it is a trade, then i say good for reagins, though i would've given up aybar first. but usually, it takes the teams' sites a few hours or days to catch up with trades. i doubt they would be breaking a trade.

Is Theriot eligible to be traded? If so, why is he not involved in these talks? The way I see it, the Cubs have a shot at the World Series this year (sounds familiar, huh?), and adding Greene would definitely increase their chances.
Theriot/Murton or Cedeno/Murton, or even an Eric Patterson/Murton would be very nice, and fair, for both teams. Murton is under control until either 2010 or 2011, not entirely sure, and could be what the Padres are looking for. Patterson and Cedeno are young and can both play center and most of the infield. Theriot is maybe a sub-MLB starting SS, but, he can only get better, right?

@Smoltz's Beard: I hadn't read the article but did a quick check for anyone who doesn't want to. Just last year Greene's Home line runs .216/.258/.412 and away runs .288/.322/.519. His three year run has a pretty similar discrepancy at .227/.273/.389 vs .273/.328/.500.

His road numbers would put him somewhere between 6th and 8th in the NL vs 11th where he was last year just in average. OPS wise he'd be 4th or 5th instead of 8th.

That a pretty healthy bump and definitely an interesting trade candidate. While not necessarily a traditional "buy low" kind of guy, it could be a "buy undervalued" type of thing. Similar to Barrett a few years ago. It all depends on if the Padres want to deal now or have him play out the season for their benefit and try next off-season/trade deadline.

the padres wouldnt trade away 2 yrs of greene unless we get a bounty of prospects. kevin always does lopsided trades it seems. and especially for ppl we would control for only a year or have a dumb contract (payton, bay, mathews, lugo, etc) I could see us talking again next season for a deal with angels. Aybar, willtis, etc...

can a player be traded during the arbitration process? the hearing will be on Feb 1st.

just spoke with lyle spencer (he covers the Angels for mlb.com) and he said he's been pushing that deal around for months, and that they've been looking at it.
so who knows? it could happen.

how do you speak to him?

Greene would be a great addition to the Jays next year.

an interesting tidbit, greene won't be at our fanfest next weekend but it seems like every other padre will be. tear...

Khalil Greene to the Angels for Maicer Izturis and Juan Rivera? Gives the Angels a legit SS, and frees up the logjam in the OF.

halosfan--
i've emailed him a few times, and again today, and we were talking back and forth

how do u email him?

Quick! Somebody get Greene into a Santana rumor!

and oscar robles too

padres.com also shows josh bard and Tad Iguchi with a blank Status.

so i doubt it means anything

Bard and Greene still ahve to go through arbitration which I assume has something to do with it.

Let me sum this up as a Padre fan - Greene is one of our best power hitters and an absolute gem on defense. It'll take alot to pry him from us even if he wants to go east coast. The Orioles would have to hand over Markakis and another top notch prospect. Angels I'd say Izturis, Willits and Rivera

Markakis and a top prospect! For Greene, who has all but declared he has no interest in staying. No way...

If there WAS a Greene trade in the works, I doubt the Padre website would leak this information by changing his status. That would be the last spot I would check.

Non-pitching player wise, Greene is the Padres second best player, behind Gonzales. If they trade him, I'd expect Towers to ask for a lot. A Jason Bay straight swap sounds ideal, although that would leave the Padres with no options at SS.

The padres could can not afford to part ways with Greene, and they need him alot more than any of those other teams need him. I think they will find a way to get an extension done! and they would not trade Greene for any of that crap on the cubs or angels. The cubs likely do not have what it takes to get him, while the angels would have to surrender Wood or Kendrick.

I am not sure why the Cubs fans value their "prospects" so high that they think they could get any player that might or might not be available. Also, Greene does not want to play on the west coast, so why would the Angels trade two of their better prospects for max 2 years of Greene?

If Greene wants to be closer to home (i.e. on the East Coast, specifically FL) then Anaheim is out. And if Greene goes anywhere, then the Padres need a SS. Jack Wilson would fit. Who else has a SS that can get on base that is on the block?

I am a Cubs fan, but I don't think I overvalue the prospects like some others do. I still think a trade of Wuertz\Cedeno\Murton gets it done.

Wuertz = most underrated reliever in the NL

Cedeno = SS who has been hitting for a .900+ OPS in AAA lately

Murton = Brian Giles type of hitter they want for the outfield

Cedeno might break out this year, he has been mashing lately in AAA.

All of those players are making peanuts, so the Pads also save a bunch of cash. He isn't resigning from the looks of it, and three young guys like that would be a fine return for someone you are going to lose anyway.

Murton has Giles potential, not saying he is Giles in his prime. But the 20 to 25 HR power and a bunch of doubles with a high OBP is what I'm speaking of...

Murton has Giles potential, give me a break. If he has all of this potential then why are the cubs not high on giving him a regular Job, or quite even a bench job for that manner. And why is he involved in every cub fans trade proposals? Cedeno has mashed in AAA. But so has many other prospects. The majors is a very differant league and is a career 240. hitter. You cannot dump these problems on the padres, especially for a player of Greenes caliber!

Cedeno's minor league #'s are great, but so far he hasn't hit a thing in the bigs. Greene hits 25 HR a year and plays stellar defense. The 3 for 1 is the only thing that makes it workable.

Oh, and "Wuertz=most underrated reliever in the NL" is why people think you guys overrate your guys. Take a look at Heath Bell's numbers if you want to see an underrated reliever.

No. Bay for Greene would not work. Trading a guy who was over 30 hr, 100 rbi, and 10 steals the year before last and who also owns a lifetime avg. over .280 for a guy whose lifetime average is .254 and has never hit over 100 rbis or over 30 hrs in his career does not make sense. Just because Bay is on a crappy team doesn't mean he should be undervalued and just because Greene is on a good team does not mean he should be overvalued.

The reason the Cubs haven't given Murton the full time job was mmmmm.. oh yea. $136M for Soriano. And that just may be why they are shopping him. They dont have a spot for him other than 4th outfielder. He can play so he may get a decent return.

In his only full year he hit .297/.265/.444/ and had only 62K in 455 AB. Not shabby.

I just never understood the infatuaton with the "power" Hitter. I would rather have a guy who gets on base more than 1 of every 3 AB and at least puts the ball in play. Sure Dunn can smack 40 hrs but how often does he K in an average year? 1/4 of his AB?

Pierzynski here is a link for you...

http://thenastyboys.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/2006_05_sports_barrett_pierzynski.jpg

Humm.. sounds like the Pads may be interested in Murton..

The Padres are targeting Matt Murton for left field, a notion that gels with Kevin Towers' stated quest to acquire a corner outfielder via trade. Plus, Towers gets along well with Cubs GM Jim Hendry. Not sure how the teams would match up, unless things expand to include Khalil Greene. The Cubs would have to be sure they don't need Murton for other deals or because of other deals.

Man, doesn't seem like I was far off there Pierzynski, does it? That deal makes a ton of sense for both teams, period.

Not too many SS prospects hit for a .900+ OPS in two different years in AAA...

And Murton does have Giles potential. Was he not the same type of hitter? Look at Murton's lifetime numbers, am I wrong here? The ONLY reason he isn't starting is because of the 136 million dollar man, which the Padres obviously don't have in the way.

Aduncaroo, you were right. I'll hand it to you. But I only see this going down as a 3 for 1 (or perhaps 3 for 2 w/ the Padres throwing in a minor leaguer) like you originally thought. Murton seems to be the type of hitter we're looking for, but I doubt Cedeno will hit like he is in AAA. Either way, if Murton can pick up the slack when Greene leaves then all may even out.

And if KT wants your boy Wuertz then you can rest easy knowing that the guy is every bit as good as you said he was.

Kudos to you on a good call. We'll see what happens.

Steelers,
After the season Bay had last year, his value has declined. Is he worth more than Greene straight up? If his numbers climb back up to resemble his pre-2007 stats, of course he is. But will Bay bounce back? Who knows, we'll have to wait and see.

You also failed to mention how badly Petco has hurt Greene's numbers. I think Smoltzbeard brought it up earlier, but Greene would have much better numbers if he didn't play 81 games in that pitcher's haven.

Also, I'm not a Padres fan so I can care less, but I just mentioned that I EXPECT Towers to ask for a lot(Jason Bay) if he was to trade Greene to the Pirates.

The Astros could use a shortstop. Miguel Tejada is more of a 3rd baseman at this point. Too bad they have no pitching to trade away.

: Bleacher_Buddha

You must be smokin some buddha? If that trade went down Kevin Towers would be run out of town faster than Barret and Sosa were for being bad teamates. The cubs have no prospects, face it. None of the big hitters in there lineup came up through the system. 3/5 of their staff did not come up through the system. I do not recall many former cubs prospects becoming much. KT should just talk about how the pirates and marlins got a bunch of garbage for Ramirez and Lee for a bunch of over rated scrubs. Just like the ones that you are claiming could net a player like Greene. The padres would be better off searching the waiver wire for some talent, atleast they would not have to give up one of their best players. And just so you know, that link is nothing more than a cheapshot. Go join boxing then you hill billy. What happened later that inning when Iguchi hit a slam off of your rich hill. How about the next day when Peirzynski hit a homer of big z. I know you guys swept us last year and made us look bad, but as for as that cheapshot incident goes, we will out of dought, got the last laugh on that.

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