Dodgers Interested In Dunn, Abreu

Dodgers should just either bring back Manny or just go with Ethier/Kemp/Pierre or trade Pierre and sign a big bat...got all that = )

boy oh boy, what happens to manny if the dodgers get dunn?

I agree, I believe it to be a Manny scare tactic...letting Boras know that they have other options.

"If the Dodgers get Dunn, are they still interested in Manny?"

Obviously not. They already have an everyday 1B, as well four outfielders (Ethier, Kemp, Pierre, Jones), two of which really need everyday at bats.

If they added Dunn, then the offensive part of the roster would likely be set.

By the way, I like the move for LA.

I think that whoever signs Dunn will end up being pretty happy. You know what you're going to get with Dunn (walks and power), he should get a reasonable deal, and the odds that he busts appear really low.

This would be priceless. Though I think Dunn needs to be on an AL team.

"I think that whoever signs Dunn will end up being pretty happy. You know what you're going to get with Dunn (walks and power), he should get a reasonable deal, and the odds that he busts appear really low."

I agree that Dunn is as consistient as any player out there but Manny is a much better hitter and they both offer horrible defense.

I think that Vin said it best last year when the D-Backs signed Dunn. Dunn is a good hitter, but he can still be pitched to. With Manny, anything goes he may not hit 40 hr's next year but he will have a much better average than Dunn.

"Sign Dunn, trade Loney for a decent SP, sign Manny"

If the dodgers wanted a 1b why would they not have been in on Tex and then sign Dunn for the outfield? Colletti is commitment paranoid in that he likes the 2 or 3 year contracts, but Tex is a much better option and would have been a better fit.

I don't know. I heard he doesn't even like baseball, no passion for the game....

I'm worried that if Manny wants 5 years $120 Mil-ish and gets 2 yrs $46mil that he won't play hard cuz he feels underappreciated....hmmm

the dodgers have to do this, they are the only team that has openly admitted to wanted manny, they are basically in this by themselves. they want manny, deep down inside, i think manny wants to stay in california, but the manny/boras bs is putting the dodgers in a rough spot, this is a smart move and dont expect the dodgers to sign dunn, expect it in the end to be manny because its mutual to both parties

When I first saw this, my gut reaction was, "LIGHT THE TORCHES!!! The time to drive Colletti and McCourt from the Dodgers is at hand!" But then I thought, "Colletti wouldn't be that dumb? I mean Dunn is good, but not great. He has power but no average. He's just about is "below average" as Manny is defensively. I mean, Colletti and McCourt wouldn't sign Dunn knowing that they could easily land Manny right now...right?"

I am hoping and praying this is a scare tactic and scare tactic ONLY.

"I'm worried that if Manny wants 5 years $120 Mil-ish and gets 2 yrs $46mil that he won't play hard cuz he feels underappreciated"

Every GM in the league feels the same way.

Joe, you're absolutely right. Dan Graziano had a fantastic article today about why it's silly for the Mets not to go after Manny Ramirez. While I do believe this is a scare tactic to bring Manny back to LA, we all know how stupid Ned Colletti and Frank McCourt are. So, if the Dodgers drop out, you'd have to think he'll end up a Met. The Wilpons can be convinced. Come on, Omar, get it done...

* 4-5 year maximum

Boston knows how that movie ends. I think Dunn is a Manny scare tactic, too.

scare tactic for Boras, Manny goes to Dodgers with Dunn signing with the Cubs or Orioles....

I'd rather see Dunn sign with the Cubs instead of Bradley. Bradley is a really good hitter but I just don't trust his health or his attitude. Dunn would be an adventure in RF but really, how much RF can Bradley take before he hurts himself out there? Dunn, with his consistently high .OBP and power is exactly what the Cubs need (not that the NL's best offense isn't good already, but any offense can be upgraded). I think Bradley may have gotten over his behavioral problems last year to an extent, or he could have just been following agent advice not to blow up in a contract year. Either way, there's always a chance that he melts down. He's a good hitter but a big risk.

People who hate on Adam Dunn are part of this weird anti-steroids group that feel so cheated by Bonds/Sosa/McGwire that they are now trying to downplay Home Runs and play up absurd factors like "small ball" and "love of the game" etc.

Home Runs are still the #1 thing about baseball, like it or not. Adam Dunn has five 40 HR seasons in a row. That alone should get him at least half to 3/4 of what Teixeira got, But it wont because of stupid journalists talking about how he doesnt look like an over-emotional guy.

He is just a power hitter who gets on base a lot, yeah those kind of players a blight on the game, huh?

Looks like gas is down and so is Manny. Really is a shame but his antics may have finally caught up to him. I've always been a fan of Manny as a pure talent but nothing would please me more than to see him get less than the 20 million he essentially would have received had he not thrown a temper tantrum in Boston.

PL-

I agree, to an extent.

Home runs aren't the #1 thing about the game, but production is. As long as he isn't getting paid for defense (because he's not a good defender) and based on his offensive value only.

He shouldn't get anywhere close to what Teixeira got because Dunn is a horrible defensive player, and Teixeira is really, really good defensively. But, Teixeira was also way overpaid on that contract IMO.

But Dunn is underrated by way, way too many people. And smeared by journalists.

Signing Dunn wouldn't be the worst thing in the world for hte Dodgers to do. Obviously, he isn't Manny, but he has more good years left in him and isn't the wild card that Manny is. He'd be cheaper. If they're willing to tolerate Manny's defense in left, then the same could be said for Dunn's. This lineup wouldn't be so bad:

SS – Furcal
RF - Ethier
C – Martin
LF – Dunn
CF – Kemp
1B – Loney
3B – Blake
2B – Lorretta/Hu

PL,

He also consistiently strikes out almost 200 times each year. I don't hate Dunn, and I love it when someone from my team hits a homerun as much as anyone else, but homeruns are not the best indicator of a great hitter. In simplistic terms, Dunn either walks, strikes out, or hits a homerun. That has its pluses and minuses. Someone like manny or Tex is much more dynamic and are much harder for pitchers to take on. Teams can be successful without a single player that hits 40 homeruns.

You know it's tough times for Manny when the Boras 'mystery team' has not been brought up yet.

I'd love to see LA sign Dunn. I'm really surprised on how little attention he's getting.

Guys who hit 40 hr's a year & know how take bb's are harder to find than you think.

I'd love to see Manny end up on some team like WASH or FLA for pennies on the dollar for what he's asking for.

Melonis Rex, I agree with you that Dunn is underrated as a hitter. He can't run or play defense, and his attitude may be questionable at times, but the man can hit. So he K's a lot? That way he doesn't clog up the bases. He walks a grat deal and has legit, consistent power.

Screw Terrell... I mean Manny. He's gonna get what he deserves. Anybody stupid enough to act the way he does isn't worthy of the money or attention these other guys are getting. Whats going to happen to Manny? WHO CARES!!!!

I wouldn't call this a scare tactic, but it does sound like they're probably just using Dunn as leverage with Manny. I also think this might just be a fallback option should Manny suddenly sign somewhere else... like the Yankees...

I would like it if the dodgers signed Dunn given they intend to use him as a first baseman. Manny would still be a great addition in left if the McCourts want to spend even more money. Very doubtful that happens though. More likely Kemp and Ethier play corners and Andruw and Pierre battle it out for center field.

Wonder what they'd work out for Loney...Colletti's biggest weakness is not getting enough back in trade for prospects. Loney isn't a prospect anymore so maybe he won't get swindled. He's been a bad judge of pitchers he's traded for. Jae Seo was crap. Dannys Baez was crap. Mark Hendrickson was crap except for a small stretch as a releiver. He's worse picking out FA pitchers with Schmidt, and Tomko. Kuroda and Wolf are the exceptions.

Seems like the dodgers really don't have a chance at most of the pitchers left in the market so might as well go offense and hope Kershaw & McDonald become lights out this season.

Anyone with suggestions on which teams would want Loney and what starting pitcher they might wanna cast off for him?

I still think Manny is going to sign with the Yankees, Im not trying to be a wise guy either, but as A Sox fan, I've been saying this from day one.
Just the drama it will start, Manny with Yankees going against the Red Sox. Dodgers better get the lead out.

Cyyoung- There's no place for Manny on the Yankees. Hank may be that stupid, but no one else is. They're already trying to trade from their outfield surplus (even though they'd be smarter to just stick with whom they have). Plus, if they're really not willing to spend $10MM on Pettitte, no way they're giving Manny anything.

Why are Dodgers fans so eager to get rid of Loney? He's played one full season and he's 25 next year. They would be smart to sign Adam Dunn if Manny doesn't come crawling back to them for a reduced rate; I think Dunn will be one of the best bargains of the winter (along with Abreu).

I don't get this. At the beginning of the off-season Colletti stated that the only OF'er they'd be looking to sign is Manny, and if they don't sign Manny, they'd just go on with the OF'ers they have. I am certain this is a ploy by the Dodgers to get me to panic.

Something is about to go down...I'm not sure what, but it just feels like something is about to happen. Anyone think Minaya and Jeff Wilpon will actually take into account the fact that 91% of Mets fans want Manny (according to a MetsBlog poll)? Nah, they wouldn't do that. Even if he is a perfect fit and his jersey would sell through the roof.

Mets, Nationals, White Sox, Yankees could all still sign Manny (the Yankee deal would have to be one year, though).

The Cubs need to get on the stick and sign Dunn already. They can work out the defensive issues in Spring Training, and can see if Soriano can handle RF or not if necessary. Also, they have a boatload of defensive replacements if necessary. He's going to catch most of the stuff hit at him, so some of you need to get over it.

According to his stats for the last three years, he averages a home run at Wrigley every 8 at bats, and he bats almost .450 if he swings at the first pitch. Just imagine the fast balls he'd get hitting in front of Ramirez. The guy would hit 50 HR if the Cubs would just stop being cheap and sign him. He wants to play there, for God's sake.

Here's the proposed lineup:

Theriot
DeRosa
Dunn
Ramirez
Soriano
Lee
Soto
Fukudome/Johnson

So please sign him already...I'm going to the Cubs Convention in a few weeks and it'd be nice to get a chance to meet him there.

I hope this is some kind of joke or something. I don't want the Dogers to sign these pieces of crap. Sign Manny! 2/45 is fair enough just do it. If you do 2/40 you'll have an unhappy Manny and we don't want that do we?

Yankees, want to clear payroll to sign Manny? Frank Wren says he'll take Swisher & Nady off your hands.

oh and... NO NO NO on garland and wolf. please... NO!

Dodger fans, I think Wolf signs with your team.

I still say that the Dodgers should re-sign Manny for something like $25M per for 2-3 years and then go after Sheets AND Pettite. That would be the best way to go. Torre could use McDonald and Elbert in the pen and bring them into the rotation if needed because of injury or the like. Then resign Saito and another bullpen guy or two. Call it an offseason, destroy the west and see ya in October!

" just do not understand the undenyable hate on Garland on this site. If he was demanding 3yr/$50MM+, I would understand, but I think he can be had a very reasonable price for a back-end rotation guy... "

I don't hate him as a pitcher he's just not what the Dodgers need. We lost Lowe who is a solid #2, that is what we need to replace not a back of the rotation guy, we have like 3 prospects that could fill that role.

Manny is in a bad bad place and might as well take a one year deal in a place he knows he can play well at. Then comeback next year in what will hopefully be a better economy and maybe get a two or three year deal at 20 per. There is no way he gets a multiyear deal at 20 per this offseason because there are no teams in competition for him who will both pay that much.

I think the Dodgers targeting Dunn or Abreu is more about draft picks than anything else. The Dodgers can sign Dunn for less money than Manny, don't have to give up a draft pick AND would get 2 draft picks from the team that signs Manny. They're also going to get 2 draft picks from Lowe. I think what's keeping them out of the Ben Sheets market is the 1st round draft pick they'd have to give up.
Also, maybe the Dodgers target Dunn and Abreu as a precursor to a trade of Kemp/Ethier/Loney for a starter. Although, I don't know if Colletti is smart enough to pull off the 2nd part.

I'd say Lowe was more than a solid #2. And Sheets isn't going to be a Dodger as they are not going to sign someone to a big contract and give up the #17 pick.

Same reason why they won't be getting Perez or Fuentes.

Dodgers have got that right idea here. As I recall a certain Manny Ramirez and his agent didn't return Colletti's phone calls earlier in the offseason. Karma sucks doesn't it Manny...

"God you people are dumb. Whoever gets manny will be able to get him on a 2 year deal. There are not two teams out there who are willing to go 3 years. So you would be stupid to give him three because hes old and a problem in the clubhouse."

Because if Manny is unhappy with his contract he will not play well and really disrupt the clubhouse. Besides, in my opinion Manny will be productive for at least 3 more years and (although I would prefer 2). The few extra mil per year and the extra year to get a Manny that is trying to do is best is worth it.

"and garland doesnt suck he went 14 and 8 last year and sheets is an ace"

He had a 91 ERA+ last season, meaning he was 9% WORSE than a league average pitcher. Yes, he does suck.

Cy- I know what you're saying, but I respectfully disagree. I don't think the Yankees love headlines; they just seem to be unavoidable. As of right now, their payroll is very close to what it was last year, and they're already getting enough headlines. Even the Yankees aren't that prodigal, and they don't even have a position for him.

Just throwing it out there: Manny benefits way too much from ESPN's collective man-crush.

Noam-Getting Manny on a one-year deal would be good for most teams; the problem is, he's not interested. And the Brewers wouldn't do that deal.

"Very true, I would prefer Pettite (if he is available) to Garland. I really thought that Johnson would be the best fit (veteran power lefty) but that didn't work out did it."

Pettitte had a 98 ERA+ last season. Why do you want the Dodgers to acquire players that are below league average for $8-10M per season? The Dodgers would be better off throwing up a rotation of Bills, Kuroda, Kershaw, Stults, McDonald/Elbert and seeing what they could do than wasting money on Garland, Pettitte or Perez. Please stop hoping for the Dodgers to sign mediocre pitchers. Unless you want the Dodgers to suck.

Dodgers will sign Sabathia. Oh, wait, he's gone. Dodgers will sign Johnson. Oh, wait, he's gone. Dodgers will sign Manny, Dunn or Abreu. Until they're gone.

Dodger will spend all spring talking about how a healthy Furcal and Jones along with _______ (insert name of the least valuable and highest injury risk SP still available by mid-January) will lead the charge to the playoffs.

Sad but true for the blue crew.