Trade Candidates: Corner Infielders

Who called a .197/.333/.373 line from Giambi?

I think that it's time for Daric Barton to get another shot at first base, even with his underwhelming .253/.369/.425 line in AAA this year.

Worst case scenario, he'll give you close to what Giambi did, but with more contact and less power.

the mariners better not trade branyan he's are best hitter

the mariners better not trade branyan he's are best hitter

"And much more defense."

And of course, defense. Forgot about that. Now it's a no-brainer. Giambi out, Barton in. Time to work toward 2010, Billy.

"the mariners better not trade branyan he's are best hitter"

Don't you learn the differences between "our" and "are" in like second grade?

So can I surmise that you're about six, maybe seven, years old?

What about Teahen or Mike Jacobs?

Dunn to the Giants should happen... they need to add a bat to support that pitching staff... and to have a consistent threat to make a splash in McCovey Cove.

You obviously make the sacrifice of having a defensive liability in a huge outfield though, unless you stash Dunn at 1B. Ishikawa has underwhelmed tremendously at the plate anyway.

Sacrificing the glove at first base for 200 points of OPS seems like it's worthwhile.

Is Boston still in need of catching? How about an OF too? if so, what would they send back in return for Atkins, Torrealba and Spilborghs?

"what would they send back in return for Atkins, Torrealba and Spilborghs?"

probably nothing more then what youd get for atkins, dumping those guys is all upside for you, varitek is better then Torreabla anyway

considering spilborghs is making almost nothing, its hardly a dump but ok.

Atkins and Torrealba are complete salary dumps though, negating Spilborghs' value in that deal.

Besides Spilborghs is having an alright year, but he would be nothing more than a 4th OF in Boston... or on a lot of other teams for that matter.

fair enough. i understand bosox fans just want guys like Ianetta and Stewart and expect to get them for nothing. thats cool. lol.

I don't think they expect guys like Iannetta or Stewart for nothing at all (though both have posted miserable batting averages to go along with nice power).

I don't get why you make a generalization about Red Sox fans wanting unrealistic trades when you were expecting to get something of value back for two salary dumps and a 29-year-old 4th outfielder with a .754 OPS this season at Coors (.727 on the road).

No offense to you, Prog, honestly, but making that generalization is a tad hypocritical given your own train of thought in this thread.

Agreed. Spilborghs is absolutely not a dump. He's got value to a lot of clubs, as he'd be an improvement over many 4th OFs out there right now.

However, I think packaging him with two salary dumps is a bad move. If Spilly is traded, he should be dealt on his own, as he could fetch a mid-level prospect of some value. He won't bring back any Top 10 prospects from a team, but a useful/promising minor league bullpen arm perhaps.

I know you never said anything fantastic, that wasn't meant to be my implication. I just don't think it's fair to lump all Red Sox fans together because a few bad apples around these parts demand that the world be presented to them on a silver platter in exchange for a bag of last week's trash. :)

alright, lumping the 3% of realistic Boston fans with the rest of them wasn't fair. ;)

bit of a dice roll for BoSox, but ...
Bill Hall from Brewers.
probably wouldn't cost much player-wise and they could afford to swallow the contract

if the dice rolled right: facing lefties (and staring at the monster) Hall gets a stroke going
and he can fill-in spots at third, the outfield, first, maybe even shortstop in a pinch.

mariner fan: "ive done some reaserch and a really good trade would be...
oakland gets.....v-mart,and releiver tomo ohka.
a pitcher needing team in clevland gets-matt holliday and pitchers dallas braden and brett anderson both very young and talented"

Your "research" is laughable. You want Oakland to give up 2 affordable and "very young and talented" pitchers in their current rotation for V-Mart, who is a free agent after 2010, and Tomo Ohka? Really? That's funny. Kinda.

For what it is worth..

Lowell was on the Sox network yesterday and raving about how well his hip was feeling and that he was to begin hitting off of a Tee today and start full range motions this week also in the field.

Draining the 15cc of fluid from his hip and the lubricant injection hopefully is all that is needed, plus getting lowrie back to give him a couple days off a week from now on when they both get activated about the same time it looks like should happen and a semi regular Lowell with Lowrie filling in is better than giving up anything for Atkins and getting stuck paying him this year and having to go to arbitration with him and his horrible splits outside of Denver.

"mariner fan: "ive done some reaserch and a really good trade would be...
oakland gets.....v-mart,and releiver tomo ohka.
a pitcher needing team in clevland gets-matt holliday and pitchers dallas braden and brett anderson both very young and talented"

Please, nobody even acknowledge this proposal.

This will be the final time that anyone should copy and paste this.

I'm absolutely speechless, and there's nobody that should waste their time discussing this ludicrous crap.

"I don't think the Rox organization would up the ante for Matzek just by unloading a guy like Atkins. I don't think ODowd or the Monforts think that way. They probably have a strict $ they will give him regardless of what they are doing at the MLB level."

Maybe, but in my opinion that's a mistake.

Matzek would immediately be the best player in their system and signing him should be a huge priority.

If he's asking for $6-7M and the Rockies are only offering $4-5M, then why not attempt to free up some money from the ML payroll to allocate to signing maybe the best amateur player that they've ever added.

Matzek was considered the second best pitcher in the draft and the second best player in the draft by many other draft boards. This guy has monster upside, he was apparently hitting 98 in his final high school start before the draft.

I'd love to see what Cantu could do as a full time DH.

Yeah, turning Branyan around for useful prospects would be a tremendous move for Jack Z after signing him for just $1.4MM.

Spending about $700K for a half-season of great production and then getting good prospects out of it deserves a standing ovation.

However, Branyan's been terrific, and the Mariners are in it, so I think they'd need to see a significant losing streak to merit that move. Russel is a major factor in their success.

"Scrib, take it easy. It's an open forum...opinions aren't always plausible but everyone should be able to have one."

I was letting him have his opinion, I never told him to go away or anything.

I'm merely saying that anyone who wants to spend their time discussing something so preposterous is either uneducated, bored, and they're just absolutely 100% wasting their time and effort.

I just didn't feel like reading a bunch of posts bashing the proposal, because that's generally what happens, so I tried to put the hammer down and ask everyone to just not even acknowledge it.

That wasn't even an opinion, that was lunacy.

i expect atkins to have an STL on his hat in the next month.

the Rox should sign Matzek regardless of saving money on Atkins or not, I don't think it should play a role. besides, in the long run that doesn't exactly create goodwill in the clubhouse if your a draftee and everyone knows Atkins was a casualty because of you.

How about Royals give Teahan, Guillen, and Moustakas to Colorado for Brad Hawpe and Garret Atkins.

If one can dream.....

kouz to mariners for balentein and clement or stephen kahn

I wouldn't take Kouz for NUMEROUS reasons if I'm Jack Z.

1) Getting Kouzmanoff means we have to find a home for him in the lineup when Beltre comes back and that could screw with the chemistry.

2) If they bring in Kouzmanoff, it will all but signal an end to Beltre's career in Seattle and I have to say, I'm really hoping when he goes into Cooperstown that he's the 4th HOF player to be wearing a Mariners hat. 1st Edgar, 2nd Griffey, 3rd Johnson*, etc.

3) I think that Kouzmanoff would have cost too much for what he could offer the Mariners.

4) The pieces we would spend on Kouzmanoff would be better spent + 2 more prospects (ranging in quality depending on return) to get a legitimate 2 way star, someone like Brandon Phillips.

* - everyone says Johnson should go as a Diamondback, but he wouldn't have been a HOF if he didn't have all those years in Seattle AND he had less wins because of the supporting cast defensively combined with playing home games in the homerdome, not because of his pitching. His best years were in Seattle, remember the ERA exchange rate is - .40-.50 going from the NL to the AL. In other words, in 1997 when he posted a 2.28 ERA IN THE KINGDOM, he would have easily had a 1.78 if he played in the NL. So yes, his best years were with Seattle.)

How about Royals give Teahan, Guillen, and Moustakas to Colorado for Brad Hawpe and Garret Atkins.

If one can dream.....

Posted by: Royals for Life | July 06, 2009 at 05:15 PM

Make that Gordon, Teahen, Guillen, and an arm...

for Hawpe and Atkins...

If I'm Mark Shapiro, I'd be on the phone with a team that might be desperate for 1B help, (the Giants are the first that comes to mind), and toss out Ryan Garko and his .800 OPS that goes along with his <$500K contract.

The fact that you get a decent upgrade (and a player who may still have some upside), while not affecting your payroll, should be enough to pry away a decent prospect.